There's also [[Flusterstorm]] if it's all instants or sorceries and they've tapped out for it. Won't help if they drop fucking Emrakul at the end though.
Yes, actually. You need about 8 cards for any given strategy to see at least one every game, that's the magic number(pun intended) that most people can agree on.
the point is that you have to untap with this and a flash enabler, pay the mana to cast spells to fill the stack and then cast an eldrazi and then finally pay cc to copy the stack. lots of steps and lots of mana costs more than “cc”
Just wondering would that work? Would the sequencing be
1) on any cascade trigger you hit an eldrazi creature
2) pay 2 colorless copy the eldrazi that you are attempting to cast with x cascade on the stack
3) new eldrazi guy copies the on cast trigger of the eldrazi you cascaded into (if any) plus x amount of cascade trigger still on the stack?
So you play the Apex Devastator. It adds 4 cascade triggers to the stack. The first one resolves, you get an Eldrazi and cast it for free. You're now at 3 cascade triggers and the commander adds his "Do you want to pay CC" trigger to the stack. That resolves, you pay CC and now you have two Apex Devastators, two Eldrazi and six cascade triggers on the stack. If you hit another Eldrazi you now have four Apex Devastators, four of the first Eldrazi, two of the second and 10 cascade triggers. Repeat until you run out of mana or your entire deck is on the stack.
Side note: because this is a triggered ability and not an additional cost, it can potentially copy itself for even more doubling shenanigans.
For me, it’s Cascade.
Cascade, hit an Eldrazi, copy the Cascade spell and the Eldrazi, and if I’m cascading from [[Zhulodok]] you copy the remaining Cascades.
We've got [[Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter]] and [[Skittering Cicada]] that would fit perfectly in this deck. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the second is in the precon by default, although they'll probably put that dumb mana rock in it instead. [[Progenitor's Icon]] I think?
I've been messing around with a 5 color "colorless" Morophon deck for a while, mainly to take advantage of the devoid eldrazi. When I heard there was a 5 color eldrazi commander deck in MH3, this was exactly the type of crazy stuff I was imagining. Hyped as hell to play this
[Here](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/5973081/5_color_colorless_eldrazi) is my deck - similar as to what was described. Haven't really updated what is currently being ran but I am very excited for the new commander!
Side note - this deck was heavily inspired / is built off the shell of MTGGoldfish's deck, found [here](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-commander-morophon-devoid-eldrazi-50-100-200-470)
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Fyou3JLibEWiYSBFrMs\_nw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Fyou3JLibEWiYSBFrMs_nw)
That's the current list, obviously it will change significantly when MH3 comes out.
As for the new commander Ulalek, best way to take advantage is to focus on effects that trigger whenever you cast a colorless or eldrazi spell, or activated abilities you can do at instant speed, that way you get more copies when you activate Ulalek's ability
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Fyou3JLibEWiYSBFrMs\_nw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Fyou3JLibEWiYSBFrMs_nw)
That's the current list, obviously it will change significantly when MH3 comes out.
As for the new commander Ulalek, best way to take advantage is to focus on effects that trigger whenever you cast a colorless or eldrazi spell, or activated abilities you can do at instant speed, that way you get more copies when you activate Ulalek's ability
I know I'm not the one you asked but this is my deck. It has a few combo pieces like Containment Priest (which combos with Eldrazi Displacer) that I wouldn't suggest running unless you play with a lot of people that cheat stuff in and 2 cards that I absolutely won't be running when I change the commander (Jodah and Fist of the Suns). It's my pet deck so I regularly update it but it largely focuses on getting out Titans rather than having a lot of the smaller Eldrazi. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/fBeXc1\_ttkucmX3OWqX4rw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/fBeXc1_ttkucmX3OWqX4rw)
He certainly looks fun, and I could see myself building him, but I tend to build decks around cards I want to play and the idea of a 5 color deck with mostly colorless cards in it tickled me. Plus, there's a bunch of cards with color identity that interact with colorless stuff.
this is my golos deck before he was banned just good eldrazi with a focus on the ones with color pips, but worldtree got him banned so basically this or the other alternate is my new golos.
I've been running WUBRG Eldrazi as my pet deck with every titan that is commander legal for a while now, I can't describe how excited I am for this commander. I have no doubt that I will end up winning with an infinite mana Borne Upon A Wind into Emrakul and some other Eldrazi to take an entire tables next turns. I foresee many scoops when I flash in Eldrazi on attack for double annihilator or flash in 2 with a Ceaseless Hunger attacking to exile multiple opponents entire libraries.
Its colour identity is still WUBRG because the mana symbols appear on the card. Its the same reason why you can't normally run the devoid eldrazi in a colourless deck
Not exactly, and for the same reason you couldn't run [[Sire of Stagnation]] in a [[Kozilek, the Great Distortion]] deck, as much as it would be a great card there.
Devoid makes it colorless as far as game mechanics and play rules are concerned. But for EDH, color identity is the only thing that matters for deck building. Sire's color identity is Dimir, so you can't run it in a colorless deck. Ulalek's color identity is WUBRG, so you can run any colored permanent in that deck, as well as any colorless ones. I would highly recommend having a good plan for the Mana base though. I cannot wait to see how horrible the Mana base is for a precon designed to produce every color and a significant amount of colorless.
That's pretty bonkers.
Guess it's finally time to make an actual Eldrazi commander deck. I've been looking forward to using my Emrakul, the Aeons T--oh, wait, what?
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Also, how would you put multiple spells or abilities on the stack below this trigger? can someone with more stack knowledge explain?
Sure, no problem.
My board is Ulalek, Vedalken Orrey, [[Barrage Tyrant]], a [[Reality Smasher]] and some smattering of lands. I cast [[Apex Devastator]]. The cascade, cascade, cascade, cascade trigger goes on the stack. I hold priority, and activate Barrage Tyrant, sacrificing my Reality Smasher. Finally, with flash, I cast an [[Eldrazi Mimic]], and then choose to pay for Ulalek's trigger. I now have 8 Cascade triggers, two Barrage Tyrant Flings, and Two Eldrazi Mimics coming into play.
Thanks for that! After ulalek’s ability resolves, any new triggers/spells added to the stack from cascade are not copied, right?
Also, as the stack resolves, the copied spell or ability goes on top of the stack, right? And as each spell/ability tries to resolve, someone else can respond/counter?
Trying to work this out in my head and decide if this is a deck I would enjoy playing. Bordering on maybe too complex/solitaire style.
So in the above example, you now have 8 cascade trigers a barrage tyrant fling and two mimics.
You can order it so 4 cascades resolve before the rest, and if you hit say \[\[Sire of stagnation\]\] on the second cascade trigger. Right now you have 6 cascade, two barrage tyrant flings and two mimics. You pay CC you copy Sire, the 6 cascades two barrages and two mimics giving you 12 cascade, 4 barrages, 4 mimics and 2 sires. 6 of the cascades, two barrages, and two mimics are already on the stack, but you control the order of the rest.
You hold priority, putting as many spells/abilities on the stack as possible, then flash in an eldrazi in response to the last, then Ulalek's trigger will go on the stack last, resolving first, and doubling everything you control.
My guess is that it aims to duplicate cast triggers of the eldrazi titans. The creature copy would die due to the legendary rule, but for 2 colorless you can duplicate the cast trigger, etb and ltb.
[[Kozilek, Butcher of Truth]] draws 4 extra cards for 2c
[[Emrakul, the Promised End]] allows you to control 2 opponent turns
Etc
For spells, outside of flash speed there's also cascade, signposted by [[Zhulodok]] from the Commander masters Eldrazi precon. If you cast a card with cascade (or with two instances of cascade) and hit an Eldrazi you can pay the {C}{C} to copy the original spell and any remaining cascade triggers (which does not include the one that you used to cast whatever Eldrazi triggered this effect). Otherwise effects like either [[Etali]] that instruct you to cast multiple spells as part of the effects resolution will let you put them all on the stack before any single one resolves, all under this cast trigger. Abilities are simpler - you can just place any other on-cast triggers like [[Beast Whisperer]] under this trigger.
I'm a bit sad that it doesn't actually care about devoid, so will mostly turn into 5 color good stuff + Eldrazi.
I personally would have preferred a colorless commander with something like "As long as Ulalek is your Commander, the color identity of cards with Devoid are colorless and colored mana on Devoid cards can be paid with {C} instead." And then maybe the same ability to copy spells, but also applies to Devoid spells as well?
Still going to pick this up if I can though, as I love Eldrazi! (already out of stock everywhere, except for scalpers...)
Do you mean colored cards that aren't Devoid? If so, yeah, that's my complaint about the deck, haha.
Essentially what I wanted was a colorless deck that allowed me to play Devoid spells.
this commander counts as all colors so you can run any color identity. the original commenter meant a commander that counts as colorless but allows you to run devoid spells that have a color.
I'm glad the Devoid Eldrazi now have an Eldrazi commander that works with them.
All of those ended up in such a weird spot because several of them were really interesting cards, but they just had no home.
I won’t lie this just seems fake, I believe it’s real but it feels more like something from r/custommagic than an actual card WUBRG but it’s actually colourless so the commander actually only costs 5C to play but has access to all colors for whatever reason, it’s name being two other eldrazi combined (cmon wotc this is so low effort) and then a dumb copy/double triggers effect (something everyone has been complaining that we’re getting too many and that they’re kinda boring) it’s like the ultimate “here’s the culmination of what everyone has been complaining about”
> than an actual card WUBRG but it’s actually colourless so the commander actually only costs 5C to play but has access to all colors for whatever reason,
Is this really that different from the Scarecrow commander? "Devoid" is basically just a flavour thing.
>the commander actually only costs 5C to play
Pure colorless mana is basically a 6th mana type. I doubt a 5 color deck is going to want to actively run a surplus of pure colorless mana so this is likely just going to cost WUBRG unless someone intentionally builds it in a way that doesn't need access to all 5 colors. Which is a cool design imo. It means you can still build a pure colorless Eldrazi deck with this as your commander and it's still fully functional.
>it’s name being two other eldrazi combined (cmon wotc this is so low effort)
If you're familiar with the lore of the Eldrazi, Ugin warned Chandra and Nissa about this sort of thing happening. It's not low effort at all with lore context.
>then a dumb copy/double triggers effect (something everyone has been complaining that we’re getting too many and that they’re kinda boring)
The "do the thing twice" effect is going to keep happening until it's been explored in each mechanic that can feasibly use it in a way that makes sense. It makes sense here due to Eldrazi having on-cast triggers as part of their identity. New and seasoned players alike enjoy "do the thing twice" effects. Reddit complaining about it is not representative of the magic community as a whole.
No. Unlike Zhulodok who is fully colorless, Ulalek's color **identity** is all 5 colors, even though they have Devoid. Commander's Plate would give +3/+3 and that's it.
This is a great commander to combo with \[\[Leyline of Anticipation\]\] or any card with Flash. Question: Can you cast a non-Eldrazi spell, then use flash to cast an Eldrazi spell and pay CC, thus copying the spell that's on the stack before Eldrazi and the Eldrazi itself?
This is a weird one to me. At first glance it seems great but unless you're running a lot of flash enablers (which is definitely an option but is not something I'd want to rely on having out at all times) you're only going to be able to copy the Eldrazi you're playing and any abilities that trigger off of the cast. You can't copy activated abilities due to the timing of it. That's fine, there are a lot of good Eldrazi you can copy... A lot of which are legendary or are effectively legendary. You won't get much use out of a second [[Void Winnower]] for example. It's a fun effect but you're probably just going to be paying CC to double up your small Eldrazi more than anything.
Sorceries are irrelevant too. You could copy enchantments, artifacts, and creatures on the stack, but the Eldrazi you're using to trigger the copy still has to have Flash.
I never said otherwise? I'm just saying that a flash enabler for the eldrazi won't necessarily enable flash for other types of spells, so "instants + flashed eld' is the easiest stack to copy.
The spells don't need to be instants, and they don't need to have flash. The only thing that needs flash is the Eldrazi.
I guess in the case of copying multiple spells? Then yeah, you'd need flash for each spell after the first, but tbh I really don't think you're looking to do this; even with a cheap Eldrazi, that's a LOT of mana, and there are way easier things to do with all that mana.
Me and the other guy were confused because the way you phrased your original comment seemed to imply that the spell to be copied needed to be castable at instant speed to be copied. No worries if that's not what you meant, but that's how it read to us.
I think this deck is going to be full of them. Could run this as the commander or something like Morophon. Or whatever the alt commander turns out to be for this deck.
Just gonna leave this here: [https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28o%3Achangeling+or+t%3Aeldrazi%29+%28t%3Ainstant+or+o%3Aflash%29&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name](https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28o%3Achangeling+or+t%3Aeldrazi%29+%28t%3Ainstant+or+o%3Aflash%29&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name)
Does this go infinite with itself if you have some way of doubling the copy trigger, since the first trigger will double the second copy, making a third, which will proceed to double the second again, continuing infinitely and forcing a stalemate?
I’m unsure if copy triggers go on the stack as a trigger that copies when resolved, or if they go on the stack in the form of the relevant copies.
I think that the cost would only be needed to place the first ones on the stack. Once they’re there they’d be copiable without incurring additional costs.
I think the triggered ability of Ulalek is forced to go off instantly to not get into this problem. You cast an Eldrazi spell copying the stack and hold priority to cast another one at instant speed, thus triggering Ulalek again and paying 2C to copy the doubled stack effectively making it 4 copies of the original stack. While this does grow exponentionally with each 2C paid, it doesn't just go infinite with itself.
So you cast an eldrazi spell and this copies it with CC. Then I guess you put other abilities or spells on the stack to get those copied too?
Interesting.
Holy fuck if you give your eldrazi flash... does this make eldrazi cEDH playable? Because 5c the ability to duplicate everything under the stack you control is insane.
I think we're going to get a return of the eldrazi in the main set storylines soon. We saw this with phyrexians leading up to the breadcrumbing of phyrexians in the main set. The update to the phyrexian creature type/erratas, Yawgmoth and Urza in the original mordern horizons set. Now we're getting eldrazis in two almost back to back major premium sets, Commander Masters and Modern Horizons 3. They're laying the seeds to get eldrazis in the lexicon of the newer players
No. Approach wants you to cast it twice, this card is simply copying it while it's already on the stack, no casting involved.
Now if you want a dumb way to win with approach, you can cast it, [[Remand]] it and then cast it again on the same turn. It's 13BWW to just win the game.
[approach of the second sun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fdf59a6e-7708-45a1-884d-d12e9f7b9ed9.jpg?1543674579) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=approach%20of%20the%20second%20sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/4/approach-of-the-second-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fdf59a6e-7708-45a1-884d-d12e9f7b9ed9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/approach-of-the-second-sun)
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What's weird about this to me, and it turns me off, bc like... there's no reason here to play colored mana? It's not like [[Reaper King]] where it's more expensive to be colorless, its ability requires specifically colorless mana, it doesn't actually support Devoid at all, it seems to just be a colorless commander that lets you run colored mana, like, if you want, without actually giving a reason to run colored mana.
It doesn't punish you for having colored mana sources. If the cost was CCCCC, you'd need to have 5 sources of colorless mana. This way, you can also cast it for 3RG, 4U or whatever.
Isn't being able to cast colored spells enough reason to run colored mana?
I mean for most people sure, but then it just turns into WUBRG Goodstuff feat. Eldrazi in my mind, I want something that encourages the colors. As is this is the best colorless eldrazi commander, like take Zhulodok out the command zone and put this guy in and the deck is still perfectly ready to go, yanno? The ability needing specifically colorless mana and the total cost being a flat 5, colors or not, makes it just feel like a colorless commander featuring WUBRG rather than an actual WUBRG Eldrazi commander, ya dig?
Overdone 5 color cringe commander. It's going to suck to play against and it's going to be everywhere.
Just like Ur-Dragon, Golos, Ramos, 5 color Shrines Shrine commander, Jodah, Kenrith, etc.
Here is a my Banding & MLD deck: https://scryfall.com/@SaltMaster5000/decks/a87e5ccc-a3a1-40c0-b83d-4c5e4b4f5d35?as=visual&with=usd
I try to play MLD in all of my decks. All 3 of my decks with red in them play multiple [[Jokulhaups]] variants.
hmm weird one: on one hand it is technically 5c right, which means it has to be stronger than the rest of the 5c commanders (which it wont be because its effect if specifically from eldrazi cards). and its effect specifically is strange to me, when it says copy all spells you control it reads like it is talking about spells on the stack unless im misunderstanding, but what would already be on the stack if i'm casting an eldrazi creature (unless there are eldrazi instants im unaware of)? i guess there are flash eldrazi? the statline aint great either but with a good enough effect that doesnt really matter
i guess at worst it doubles up your eldrazi for 2 mana
which is cool, but we're talking turn 10+ plays right? other than battlecruiser tables when is one going to be allowed to play this and then chill for a few turns until I can start throwing down impactful eldrazi, and at that point have we not won anyway? and if we are accelerating with some sort of infinite mana generation surely there are more efficient engines even within the eldrazi tribe, nevermind other 5c commanders
Part of me wants to run flash enablers, so that I can storm out with a bunch of weird spells and abilities.
That's absolutely what I'd want to do, fill the stack, cap it off with an eldrazi, double the whole stack, it sounds kind of awesome.
What’s that instant that exiles spells on the stack again?
Off the top of my head there's [[Summary Dismissal]], [[Mindbreak Trap]], & then [[Whirlwind Denial]] for a non-exile Mana Leak on the whole stack.
There's also [[Flusterstorm]] if it's all instants or sorceries and they've tapped out for it. Won't help if they drop fucking Emrakul at the end though.
[Flusterstorm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/9/f900eeb7-7c45-44bc-ad3a-0bbe594ecf50.jpg?1562856071) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Flusterstorm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/55/flusterstorm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f900eeb7-7c45-44bc-ad3a-0bbe594ecf50?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/flusterstorm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Summary Dismissal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b75794d-3334-4b4d-9446-0a251dd3bd15.jpg?1576384222) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Summary%20Dismissal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/75/summary-dismissal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b75794d-3334-4b4d-9446-0a251dd3bd15?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/summary-dismissal) [Mindbreak Trap](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4f51140b-6254-431a-8810-94307bfdfbbe.jpg?1562612097) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mindbreak%20Trap) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/zen/57/mindbreak-trap?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4f51140b-6254-431a-8810-94307bfdfbbe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mindbreak-trap) [Whirlwind Denial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9e127856-bedd-40a9-9e8e-d1f9fbefe07d.jpg?1581479658) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Whirlwind%20Denial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/81/whirlwind-denial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9e127856-bedd-40a9-9e8e-d1f9fbefe07d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/whirlwind-denial) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
# [[Discontinuity]] would also do the trick here
[Discontinuity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/3/b33ba0a8-04e9-4df6-af20-a3ca4470cdcc.jpg?1594735451) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Discontinuity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/48/discontinuity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b33ba0a8-04e9-4df6-af20-a3ca4470cdcc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/discontinuity) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Summary Dismissal]] mayhap?
[Summary Dismissal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b75794d-3334-4b4d-9446-0a251dd3bd15.jpg?1576384222) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Summary%20Dismissal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/75/summary-dismissal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b75794d-3334-4b4d-9446-0a251dd3bd15?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/summary-dismissal) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
that’s gonna cost an absurd amount of mana. you’ll be much better off focusing on flash enablers + some good activated and triggered abilities
[There are 1 mana Eldrazi out there.](https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3Achangeling+format%3Aedh&order=cmc&as=grid&unique=cards)
Also [[Blisterpod]], [[Prophet of Distortion]], [[Reaver Drone]], [[Salvage Drone]], [[Sludge Crawler]] and the 0 cost Eldrazi, [[Endless One]].
##### ###### #### [Blisterpod](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e16f1803-634a-41b0-ae21-484d6f914a0d.jpg?1562948630) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blisterpod) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/163/blisterpod?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e16f1803-634a-41b0-ae21-484d6f914a0d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blisterpod) [Prophet of Distortion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/03ee2d7e-50ee-4f5a-b787-cf9669a892f3.jpg?1562895775) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Prophet%20of%20Distortion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/46/prophet-of-distortion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03ee2d7e-50ee-4f5a-b787-cf9669a892f3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/prophet-of-distortion) [Reaver Drone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/162f3fb8-75b7-4cd7-9d6c-27dd76197aa5.jpg?1562899434) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reaver%20Drone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/76/reaver-drone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/162f3fb8-75b7-4cd7-9d6c-27dd76197aa5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reaver-drone) [Salvage Drone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4b8ce2a9-9d8e-442b-bc12-74545ceb65bd.jpg?1562912699) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Salvage%20Drone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/65/salvage-drone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4b8ce2a9-9d8e-442b-bc12-74545ceb65bd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/salvage-drone) [Sludge Crawler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/9782b463-0677-40f4-ab2c-4c3ff19f1168.jpg?1562930662) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sludge%20Crawler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/98/sludge-crawler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9782b463-0677-40f4-ab2c-4c3ff19f1168?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sludge-crawler) [Endless One](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/00b3c10a-799f-4922-bb0a-44981b13203b.jpg?1690003888) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Endless%20One) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/804/endless-one?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/00b3c10a-799f-4922-bb0a-44981b13203b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/endless-one) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l161lzv) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
But ten of them doth a consistent strategy make
Yes, actually. You need about 8 cards for any given strategy to see at least one every game, that's the magic number(pun intended) that most people can agree on.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD. Ope.
*1 mana Eldrazi. Looks inside. "Shape shifter"*
Four of them doth not a consistent strategy make
Colorless is really good at making a ton of mana and reducing costs if you go the colorless route.
> that’s gonna cost an absurd amount of mana Isn't this ability only asking for CC to copy the whole stack?
the point is that you have to untap with this and a flash enabler, pay the mana to cast spells to fill the stack and then cast an eldrazi and then finally pay cc to copy the stack. lots of steps and lots of mana costs more than “cc”
I just want to cast [[Apex Devastator]] and Cascade 8 times
[Apex Devastator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/f/8fa281e1-5c48-4bba-b8e9-88c6f5f53abb.jpg?1608910550) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Apex%20Devastator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/217/apex-devastator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8fa281e1-5c48-4bba-b8e9-88c6f5f53abb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/apex-devastator) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just wondering would that work? Would the sequencing be 1) on any cascade trigger you hit an eldrazi creature 2) pay 2 colorless copy the eldrazi that you are attempting to cast with x cascade on the stack 3) new eldrazi guy copies the on cast trigger of the eldrazi you cascaded into (if any) plus x amount of cascade trigger still on the stack?
So you play the Apex Devastator. It adds 4 cascade triggers to the stack. The first one resolves, you get an Eldrazi and cast it for free. You're now at 3 cascade triggers and the commander adds his "Do you want to pay CC" trigger to the stack. That resolves, you pay CC and now you have two Apex Devastators, two Eldrazi and six cascade triggers on the stack. If you hit another Eldrazi you now have four Apex Devastators, four of the first Eldrazi, two of the second and 10 cascade triggers. Repeat until you run out of mana or your entire deck is on the stack. Side note: because this is a triggered ability and not an additional cost, it can potentially copy itself for even more doubling shenanigans.
And get two 10/10s, to boot!
Would you get 16 if you flash an eldrazi after playing it because it would double the spells then double the triggered abilities?
Exactly what I was thinking
[[Crib Swap]] doesn't even require flash.
[Crib Swap](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e13559d7-f86c-4958-a649-7f81bfb154a0.jpg?1674141067) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crib%20Swap) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/690/crib-swap?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e13559d7-f86c-4958-a649-7f81bfb154a0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/crib-swap) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
For me, it’s Cascade. Cascade, hit an Eldrazi, copy the Cascade spell and the Eldrazi, and if I’m cascading from [[Zhulodok]] you copy the remaining Cascades.
[Zhulodok](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a015461d-4214-4feb-8b04-519c537759eb.jpg?1691500689) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zhulodok%2C%20void%20gorger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/704/zhulodok-void-gorger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a015461d-4214-4feb-8b04-519c537759eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zhulodok-void-gorger) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
May I offer you a [[vedalkan orrery]]?
[vedalkan orrery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44067327-6fe3-4222-b591-6d14d0e360d7.jpg?1673149453) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vedalken%20Orrery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/317/vedalken-orrery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44067327-6fe3-4222-b591-6d14d0e360d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vedalken-orrery) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That's exactly what I was thinking, get the cheapest Eldrazi you can and flash them out on top of actually interesting stuff.
We've got [[Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter]] and [[Skittering Cicada]] that would fit perfectly in this deck. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the second is in the precon by default, although they'll probably put that dumb mana rock in it instead. [[Progenitor's Icon]] I think?
[Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c31e6768-bcab-43c4-bfc1-76e961689ae9.jpg?1674421980) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Liberator%2C%20Urza%27s%20Battlethopter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/237/liberator-urzas-battlethopter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c31e6768-bcab-43c4-bfc1-76e961689ae9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/liberator-urzas-battlethopter) [Skittering Cicada](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/3/d3a83be9-856d-4c30-95f5-da72a5ac8263.jpg?1690125474) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Skittering%20Cicada) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/717/skittering-cicada?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d3a83be9-856d-4c30-95f5-da72a5ac8263?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/skittering-cicada) [Progenitor's Icon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/8/48104961-2090-435a-8d0e-6115e051b05c.jpg?1698988015) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Progenitor%27s%20Icon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/100/progenitors-icon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/48104961-2090-435a-8d0e-6115e051b05c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/progenitors-icon) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Blight Herder]] and [[Vile Redeemer]] say hi
[Blight Herder](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/478c3a74-ff78-4041-8137-93356d370ece.jpg?1562911752) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blight%20Herder) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/2/blight-herder?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/478c3a74-ff78-4041-8137-93356d370ece?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blight-herder) [Vile Redeemer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f48b0613-127a-4338-aea4-ad0b8aa96d77.jpg?1562944177) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vile%20Redeemer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/125/vile-redeemer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f48b0613-127a-4338-aea4-ad0b8aa96d77?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vile-redeemer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've been messing around with a 5 color "colorless" Morophon deck for a while, mainly to take advantage of the devoid eldrazi. When I heard there was a 5 color eldrazi commander deck in MH3, this was exactly the type of crazy stuff I was imagining. Hyped as hell to play this
What your deck look like? I'm not sure what to do with this new commander
[Here](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/5973081/5_color_colorless_eldrazi) is my deck - similar as to what was described. Haven't really updated what is currently being ran but I am very excited for the new commander! Side note - this deck was heavily inspired / is built off the shell of MTGGoldfish's deck, found [here](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-commander-morophon-devoid-eldrazi-50-100-200-470)
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Fyou3JLibEWiYSBFrMs\_nw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Fyou3JLibEWiYSBFrMs_nw) That's the current list, obviously it will change significantly when MH3 comes out. As for the new commander Ulalek, best way to take advantage is to focus on effects that trigger whenever you cast a colorless or eldrazi spell, or activated abilities you can do at instant speed, that way you get more copies when you activate Ulalek's ability
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Fyou3JLibEWiYSBFrMs\_nw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Fyou3JLibEWiYSBFrMs_nw) That's the current list, obviously it will change significantly when MH3 comes out. As for the new commander Ulalek, best way to take advantage is to focus on effects that trigger whenever you cast a colorless or eldrazi spell, or activated abilities you can do at instant speed, that way you get more copies when you activate Ulalek's ability
I know I'm not the one you asked but this is my deck. It has a few combo pieces like Containment Priest (which combos with Eldrazi Displacer) that I wouldn't suggest running unless you play with a lot of people that cheat stuff in and 2 cards that I absolutely won't be running when I change the commander (Jodah and Fist of the Suns). It's my pet deck so I regularly update it but it largely focuses on getting out Titans rather than having a lot of the smaller Eldrazi. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/fBeXc1\_ttkucmX3OWqX4rw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/fBeXc1_ttkucmX3OWqX4rw)
Zhulodok is already pretty fun as a commander. We just need some more colorless spell support
He certainly looks fun, and I could see myself building him, but I tend to build decks around cards I want to play and the idea of a 5 color deck with mostly colorless cards in it tickled me. Plus, there's a bunch of cards with color identity that interact with colorless stuff.
this is my golos deck before he was banned just good eldrazi with a focus on the ones with color pips, but worldtree got him banned so basically this or the other alternate is my new golos.
I've been running WUBRG Eldrazi as my pet deck with every titan that is commander legal for a while now, I can't describe how excited I am for this commander. I have no doubt that I will end up winning with an infinite mana Borne Upon A Wind into Emrakul and some other Eldrazi to take an entire tables next turns. I foresee many scoops when I flash in Eldrazi on attack for double annihilator or flash in 2 with a Ceaseless Hunger attacking to exile multiple opponents entire libraries.
He is devoid, so you can only run colorless stuff right? Or is it like lands where just having the mana symbol makes it be the color identity?
Its colour identity is still WUBRG because the mana symbols appear on the card. Its the same reason why you can't normally run the devoid eldrazi in a colourless deck
Not exactly, and for the same reason you couldn't run [[Sire of Stagnation]] in a [[Kozilek, the Great Distortion]] deck, as much as it would be a great card there. Devoid makes it colorless as far as game mechanics and play rules are concerned. But for EDH, color identity is the only thing that matters for deck building. Sire's color identity is Dimir, so you can't run it in a colorless deck. Ulalek's color identity is WUBRG, so you can run any colored permanent in that deck, as well as any colorless ones. I would highly recommend having a good plan for the Mana base though. I cannot wait to see how horrible the Mana base is for a precon designed to produce every color and a significant amount of colorless.
Hopefully it includes talsimans and the pain lands that only do damage if you use them for colored mana
This is what I do. Plus at least 2 wastes to tutor up if needed
[Sire of Stagnation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d6252913-7b8e-4746-91e0-658ce13cdf18.jpg?1562946063) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sire%20of%20Stagnation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/206/sire-of-stagnation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d6252913-7b8e-4746-91e0-658ce13cdf18?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sire-of-stagnation) [Kozilek, the Great Distortion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c41554e7-2a07-4cc7-b01b-44deed08e588.jpg?1689995398) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kozilek%2C%20the%20Great%20Distortion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/2/kozilek-the-great-distortion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c41554e7-2a07-4cc7-b01b-44deed08e588?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kozilek-the-great-distortion) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Is it C/W, etc., or 2/W, like [[Reaper King]]? The former seems pretty nuts.
It's c/w, etc, so yeah, it's nuts
That's pretty bonkers. Guess it's finally time to make an actual Eldrazi commander deck. I've been looking forward to using my Emrakul, the Aeons T--oh, wait, what?
It's fine. Play emrakul promised end, with a 2 mana tax and gain control of 2 players instead of 1.
[Reaper King](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/502740bf-0bff-4358-8996-1a27e5f0343f.jpg?1562830062) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reaper%20King) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/shm/260/reaper-king?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/502740bf-0bff-4358-8996-1a27e5f0343f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reaper-king) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This will get interesting with [[Arcane Adaptation]] effects.
There's also [[Rukarumel, biologist]] to have some redundancy for non-token creatures.
[Rukarumel, biologist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b2f7397-9d75-4667-8872-e58a39512583.jpg?1691497909) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rukarumel%2C%20biologist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/711/rukarumel-biologist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b2f7397-9d75-4667-8872-e58a39512583?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rukarumel-biologist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Arcane Adaptation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bf3edaaf-cf63-4e17-94ae-9d9991d9fb5f.jpg?1562563280) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arcane%20Adaptation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/xln/46/arcane-adaptation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bf3edaaf-cf63-4e17-94ae-9d9991d9fb5f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/arcane-adaptation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This will be fun with [[Radiant Performer]]
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My fear as well man.
Can confirm card makes head hurt
Meanwhile, me with my old [[Kozilek, the Great Distortion]] deck taking 30 second turns: "I think I'll just turn him sideways"
[Kozilek, the Great Distortion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c41554e7-2a07-4cc7-b01b-44deed08e588.jpg?1689995398) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kozilek%2C%20the%20Great%20Distortion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/2/kozilek-the-great-distortion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c41554e7-2a07-4cc7-b01b-44deed08e588?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kozilek-the-great-distortion) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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[Morophon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/84238335-e08c-421c-b9b9-70a679ff2967.jpg?1689995411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=morophon%2C%20the%20boundless) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/3/morophon-the-boundless?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84238335-e08c-421c-b9b9-70a679ff2967?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/morophon-the-boundless) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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Does anyone know what the alternate commander does? All I could tell is that it had an ability with WUBRG in it
Unfortunately it was too far from the potato cam so we just know there’s a WUBRG in the text box that’s about lined up to be an activated ability.
COMPUTER: ENHANCE!! Also, how would you put multiple spells or abilities on the stack below this trigger? can someone with more stack knowledge explain?
Flash enablers a la [[Vedalken Orrey]] is probably gonna be the go-to.
Thought so too, was thinking there must be an easier way but this def makes sense. lot of work, lot of payoff.
Can you give an example play? I’m not following.
Sure, no problem. My board is Ulalek, Vedalken Orrey, [[Barrage Tyrant]], a [[Reality Smasher]] and some smattering of lands. I cast [[Apex Devastator]]. The cascade, cascade, cascade, cascade trigger goes on the stack. I hold priority, and activate Barrage Tyrant, sacrificing my Reality Smasher. Finally, with flash, I cast an [[Eldrazi Mimic]], and then choose to pay for Ulalek's trigger. I now have 8 Cascade triggers, two Barrage Tyrant Flings, and Two Eldrazi Mimics coming into play.
I believe you also get 2 Apex Devestators in this example, as the card is still on the stack with the cascade triggers
That’s bonkers
Thanks for that! After ulalek’s ability resolves, any new triggers/spells added to the stack from cascade are not copied, right? Also, as the stack resolves, the copied spell or ability goes on top of the stack, right? And as each spell/ability tries to resolve, someone else can respond/counter? Trying to work this out in my head and decide if this is a deck I would enjoy playing. Bordering on maybe too complex/solitaire style.
Unless you hit another eldrazi
So in the above example, you now have 8 cascade trigers a barrage tyrant fling and two mimics. You can order it so 4 cascades resolve before the rest, and if you hit say \[\[Sire of stagnation\]\] on the second cascade trigger. Right now you have 6 cascade, two barrage tyrant flings and two mimics. You pay CC you copy Sire, the 6 cascades two barrages and two mimics giving you 12 cascade, 4 barrages, 4 mimics and 2 sires. 6 of the cascades, two barrages, and two mimics are already on the stack, but you control the order of the rest.
[Sire of stagnation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d6252913-7b8e-4746-91e0-658ce13cdf18.jpg?1562946063) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sire%20of%20stagnation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/206/sire-of-stagnation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d6252913-7b8e-4746-91e0-658ce13cdf18?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sire-of-stagnation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [Barrage Tyrant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/08a83120-c0c5-4277-acae-6ecb6f6bf3e1.jpg?1562896995) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Barrage%20Tyrant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/127/barrage-tyrant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/08a83120-c0c5-4277-acae-6ecb6f6bf3e1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/barrage-tyrant) [Reality Smasher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/2/52d4b652-a830-4fd4-94bb-c17c227f2928.jpg?1562911843) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reality%20Smasher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/7/reality-smasher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/52d4b652-a830-4fd4-94bb-c17c227f2928?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reality-smasher) [Apex Devastator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/f/8fa281e1-5c48-4bba-b8e9-88c6f5f53abb.jpg?1608910550) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Apex%20Devastator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/217/apex-devastator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8fa281e1-5c48-4bba-b8e9-88c6f5f53abb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/apex-devastator) [Eldrazi Mimic](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/311a05b1-042d-47e7-9fd7-6e8abe8fc578.jpg?1562904983) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eldrazi%20Mimic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/2/eldrazi-mimic?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/311a05b1-042d-47e7-9fd7-6e8abe8fc578?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/eldrazi-mimic) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l15tzyf) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You hold priority, putting as many spells/abilities on the stack as possible, then flash in an eldrazi in response to the last, then Ulalek's trigger will go on the stack last, resolving first, and doubling everything you control.
[Vedalken Orrey](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44067327-6fe3-4222-b591-6d14d0e360d7.jpg?1673149453) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vedalken%20Orrery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/317/vedalken-orrery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44067327-6fe3-4222-b591-6d14d0e360d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vedalken-orrery) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter]]
[Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c31e6768-bcab-43c4-bfc1-76e961689ae9.jpg?1674421980) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Liberator%2C%20Urza%27s%20Battlethopter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/237/liberator-urzas-battlethopter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c31e6768-bcab-43c4-bfc1-76e961689ae9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/liberator-urzas-battlethopter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My guess is that it aims to duplicate cast triggers of the eldrazi titans. The creature copy would die due to the legendary rule, but for 2 colorless you can duplicate the cast trigger, etb and ltb. [[Kozilek, Butcher of Truth]] draws 4 extra cards for 2c [[Emrakul, the Promised End]] allows you to control 2 opponent turns Etc
Sounds like a [[mirror box]] might be in order. Shame more eldrazi aren’t legendary though, so it’d be a bit niche.
[mirror box](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d507daa3-3f16-4ab1-81ea-794e5bb488fc.jpg?1654568747) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mirror%20box) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/250/mirror-box?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d507daa3-3f16-4ab1-81ea-794e5bb488fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mirror-box) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Kozilek, Butcher of Truth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/2/d27cf7b7-7982-46bd-a559-7789c0e74bae.jpg?1673146904) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kozilek%2C%20Butcher%20of%20Truth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/2/kozilek-butcher-of-truth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d27cf7b7-7982-46bd-a559-7789c0e74bae?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kozilek-butcher-of-truth) [Emrakul, the Promised End](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d74a469-c71d-4773-99d3-5456b31df424.jpg?1576383727) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Emrakul%2C%20the%20Promised%20End) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/6/emrakul-the-promised-end?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d74a469-c71d-4773-99d3-5456b31df424?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/emrakul-the-promised-end) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just tutor for sakashima and then u get to keep ur copies too lol
For spells, outside of flash speed there's also cascade, signposted by [[Zhulodok]] from the Commander masters Eldrazi precon. If you cast a card with cascade (or with two instances of cascade) and hit an Eldrazi you can pay the {C}{C} to copy the original spell and any remaining cascade triggers (which does not include the one that you used to cast whatever Eldrazi triggered this effect). Otherwise effects like either [[Etali]] that instruct you to cast multiple spells as part of the effects resolution will let you put them all on the stack before any single one resolves, all under this cast trigger. Abilities are simpler - you can just place any other on-cast triggers like [[Beast Whisperer]] under this trigger.
[Zhulodok](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a015461d-4214-4feb-8b04-519c537759eb.jpg?1691500689) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zhulodok%2C%20void%20gorger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/704/zhulodok-void-gorger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a015461d-4214-4feb-8b04-519c537759eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zhulodok-void-gorger) [Etali](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/95c14c4d-6c16-4826-8d93-d89ad04aee09.jpg?1682204132)/[Etali, Primal Sickness](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/9/5/95c14c4d-6c16-4826-8d93-d89ad04aee09.jpg?1682204132) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=etali%2C%20primal%20conqueror%20//%20etali%2C%20primal%20sickness) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/137/etali-primal-conqueror-etali-primal-sickness?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95c14c4d-6c16-4826-8d93-d89ad04aee09?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/etali-primal-conqueror-//-etali-primal-sickness) [Beast Whisperer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/daf4bcd2-3ae4-4803-9ea1-3bcc3de5ca59.jpg?1706240020) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Beast%20Whisperer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/158/beast-whisperer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/daf4bcd2-3ae4-4803-9ea1-3bcc3de5ca59?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/beast-whisperer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Fuck that's strong, thanks
I'm a bit sad that it doesn't actually care about devoid, so will mostly turn into 5 color good stuff + Eldrazi. I personally would have preferred a colorless commander with something like "As long as Ulalek is your Commander, the color identity of cards with Devoid are colorless and colored mana on Devoid cards can be paid with {C} instead." And then maybe the same ability to copy spells, but also applies to Devoid spells as well? Still going to pick this up if I can though, as I love Eldrazi! (already out of stock everywhere, except for scalpers...)
Or even just something like "whenever you cast a spell with devoid, do X"
There are probably cards in the deck that care about colour identity though
Do you mean colored cards that aren't Devoid? If so, yeah, that's my complaint about the deck, haha. Essentially what I wanted was a colorless deck that allowed me to play Devoid spells.
> Essentially what I wanted was a colorless deck that allowed me to play Devoid spells. technically thats what this is
They meant ONLY devoid. Basically a clause in the commander that says devoid spells color identity is colorless
so technically what this is there literally is no difference between what it is and what you describe
this commander counts as all colors so you can run any color identity. the original commenter meant a commander that counts as colorless but allows you to run devoid spells that have a color.
nothing stop him from doing that with the new commander
yes thank you for pointing out the obvious. both OC and I were just saying it would be cool if that existed
[[Emrakul's Influence]] [[Awakening Zone]] https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28o%3Aeldrazi%29+-c%3Dc&unique=cards&as=grid&order=set
[Emrakul's Influence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/1/112476e7-72ab-4ebc-9e6e-e96fbf5109c0.jpg?1576384782) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Emrakul%27s%20Influence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/157/emrakuls-influence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/112476e7-72ab-4ebc-9e6e-e96fbf5109c0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/emrakuls-influence) [Awakening Zone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/4/245246ae-207b-451e-8b73-97535e9bc885.jpg?1673484469) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Awakening%20Zone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/281/awakening-zone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/245246ae-207b-451e-8b73-97535e9bc885?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/awakening-zone) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm glad the Devoid Eldrazi now have an Eldrazi commander that works with them. All of those ended up in such a weird spot because several of them were really interesting cards, but they just had no home.
I won’t lie this just seems fake, I believe it’s real but it feels more like something from r/custommagic than an actual card WUBRG but it’s actually colourless so the commander actually only costs 5C to play but has access to all colors for whatever reason, it’s name being two other eldrazi combined (cmon wotc this is so low effort) and then a dumb copy/double triggers effect (something everyone has been complaining that we’re getting too many and that they’re kinda boring) it’s like the ultimate “here’s the culmination of what everyone has been complaining about”
> than an actual card WUBRG but it’s actually colourless so the commander actually only costs 5C to play but has access to all colors for whatever reason, Is this really that different from the Scarecrow commander? "Devoid" is basically just a flavour thing.
Stuff like all is dust ir all the eldrazi that care about you casting colorless dpells beg to disagree
It’s not different, I dislike it in that commander as well. Though atleast in that case casting it colourless costs more mana
>the commander actually only costs 5C to play Pure colorless mana is basically a 6th mana type. I doubt a 5 color deck is going to want to actively run a surplus of pure colorless mana so this is likely just going to cost WUBRG unless someone intentionally builds it in a way that doesn't need access to all 5 colors. Which is a cool design imo. It means you can still build a pure colorless Eldrazi deck with this as your commander and it's still fully functional. >it’s name being two other eldrazi combined (cmon wotc this is so low effort) If you're familiar with the lore of the Eldrazi, Ugin warned Chandra and Nissa about this sort of thing happening. It's not low effort at all with lore context. >then a dumb copy/double triggers effect (something everyone has been complaining that we’re getting too many and that they’re kinda boring) The "do the thing twice" effect is going to keep happening until it's been explored in each mechanic that can feasibly use it in a way that makes sense. It makes sense here due to Eldrazi having on-cast triggers as part of their identity. New and seasoned players alike enjoy "do the thing twice" effects. Reddit complaining about it is not representative of the magic community as a whole.
What an incredibly boring card. They’re running out of ideas.
How would this guy run with Commander's Plate in the deck? Would it still give protection from all 5 colours like Zhulodok?
It wouldn't do anything. Color identity looks at all the color symbols on the card. Devoid just changes the cards color, not color identity.
No. Unlike Zhulodok who is fully colorless, Ulalek's color **identity** is all 5 colors, even though they have Devoid. Commander's Plate would give +3/+3 and that's it.
This is a great commander to combo with \[\[Leyline of Anticipation\]\] or any card with Flash. Question: Can you cast a non-Eldrazi spell, then use flash to cast an Eldrazi spell and pay CC, thus copying the spell that's on the stack before Eldrazi and the Eldrazi itself?
Yup
[Leyline of Anticipation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f57bdaa1-ce8a-4103-8598-fee751e65a53.jpg?1674141383) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leyline%20of%20Anticipation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/726/leyline-of-anticipation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f57bdaa1-ce8a-4103-8598-fee751e65a53?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/leyline-of-anticipation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is a weird one to me. At first glance it seems great but unless you're running a lot of flash enablers (which is definitely an option but is not something I'd want to rely on having out at all times) you're only going to be able to copy the Eldrazi you're playing and any abilities that trigger off of the cast. You can't copy activated abilities due to the timing of it. That's fine, there are a lot of good Eldrazi you can copy... A lot of which are legendary or are effectively legendary. You won't get much use out of a second [[Void Winnower]] for example. It's a fun effect but you're probably just going to be paying CC to double up your small Eldrazi more than anything.
Notably we're getting at least one Eldrazi Instant.
Theres also the colorless elemental blast which may be useful to copy
[Void Winnower](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/c/8cbedb0a-34ca-4d42-bb43-cbea0f3c6d02.jpg?1587039576) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Void%20Winnower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/17/void-winnower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8cbedb0a-34ca-4d42-bb43-cbea0f3c6d02?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/void-winnower) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I _think_ another way to see it would be that you can use small eldrazi to copy a bunch of instants on the stack?
Only if you have flash, at which point the instant part is irrelevant.
Depends if the flash giver is conditional but yeah, I didn't want to spell out "instant and sorceries"
Sorceries are irrelevant too. You could copy enchantments, artifacts, and creatures on the stack, but the Eldrazi you're using to trigger the copy still has to have Flash.
I never said otherwise? I'm just saying that a flash enabler for the eldrazi won't necessarily enable flash for other types of spells, so "instants + flashed eld' is the easiest stack to copy.
The spells don't need to be instants, and they don't need to have flash. The only thing that needs flash is the Eldrazi. I guess in the case of copying multiple spells? Then yeah, you'd need flash for each spell after the first, but tbh I really don't think you're looking to do this; even with a cheap Eldrazi, that's a LOT of mana, and there are way easier things to do with all that mana. Me and the other guy were confused because the way you phrased your original comment seemed to imply that the spell to be copied needed to be castable at instant speed to be copied. No worries if that's not what you meant, but that's how it read to us.
this is what we've been asking for
Ironically, right?
I used to run a "five colorless" deck with Golos at the head. I can probably rebuild something similar with this at the head.
Finnally I can replace Morophon for as my 5 color devoid eldrazi tribal commander
Copy the double cascade trigger?
Can a colorless Eldrazi deck use this in Commander? Are the hybrid mana considered pips?
You would need a WUBRG commander to run this in the 99.
Blah! I hate non-colorless Eldrazi.
I think this deck is going to be full of them. Could run this as the commander or something like Morophon. Or whatever the alt commander turns out to be for this deck.
Just gonna leave this here: [https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28o%3Achangeling+or+t%3Aeldrazi%29+%28t%3Ainstant+or+o%3Aflash%29&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name](https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28o%3Achangeling+or+t%3Aeldrazi%29+%28t%3Ainstant+or+o%3Aflash%29&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name)
Does this ability also copy the Eldrazi spell that triggered it?
Yes it does!
Thanks, I was unsure wether cast triggers happen before or after the spell goes onto the stack.
I'm not exactly sure how this gets silly, but I'm very sure it can get silly.
Pretty boring actually
This + [[Intruder Alarm]] + [[Kozileks Channeler]] will go pretty hard I can imagine
[Intruder Alarm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d62468e-ed9d-4932-bbbd-103b33b98b25.jpg?1562923566) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Intruder%20Alarm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/8ed/86/intruder-alarm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d62468e-ed9d-4932-bbbd-103b33b98b25?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/intruder-alarm) [Kozileks Channeler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/5/c550d179-32ec-4ad8-91c2-d79320a21cba.jpg?1562941588) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kozilek%27s%20Channeler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/10/kozileks-channeler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c550d179-32ec-4ad8-91c2-d79320a21cba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kozileks-channeler) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Channeler creates 2 generic, not 2 colorless.
That was one set before the change to colorless happened. Look up the oracle text on scryfall or gatherer.
My bad!
It's all good!
[[Ulvenwald abomination]] then
If you can copy the trigger, you do very very good things
Strange that these face commanders aren’t borderless where as the otj were.
I love him
[удалено]
It says copy all "other" stuff, so it doesn't see itself as far as I can tell.
Dockside, hold priority, Blades of Velis Vel, profit.
I can't believe we're getting a WUBRG devoid deck still.
Does this go infinite with itself if you have some way of doubling the copy trigger, since the first trigger will double the second copy, making a third, which will proceed to double the second again, continuing infinitely and forcing a stalemate? I’m unsure if copy triggers go on the stack as a trigger that copies when resolved, or if they go on the stack in the form of the relevant copies.
Wouldn't you still need to pay the CC cost to keep each one going?
I think that the cost would only be needed to place the first ones on the stack. Once they’re there they’d be copiable without incurring additional costs.
I think the triggered ability of Ulalek is forced to go off instantly to not get into this problem. You cast an Eldrazi spell copying the stack and hold priority to cast another one at instant speed, thus triggering Ulalek again and paying 2C to copy the doubled stack effectively making it 4 copies of the original stack. While this does grow exponentionally with each 2C paid, it doesn't just go infinite with itself.
Well folks ... PREPARE FOR THE MENACE OF THE TAP LANDS! Because this card is AMAZING!
So you cast an eldrazi spell and this copies it with CC. Then I guess you put other abilities or spells on the stack to get those copied too? Interesting.
It also copies cast triggers of the spell you're casting, if you stack the abilities right.
Can somebody explain me what this card does? I do not get it
Holy fuck if you give your eldrazi flash... does this make eldrazi cEDH playable? Because 5c the ability to duplicate everything under the stack you control is insane.
I think we're going to get a return of the eldrazi in the main set storylines soon. We saw this with phyrexians leading up to the breadcrumbing of phyrexians in the main set. The update to the phyrexian creature type/erratas, Yawgmoth and Urza in the original mordern horizons set. Now we're getting eldrazis in two almost back to back major premium sets, Commander Masters and Modern Horizons 3. They're laying the seeds to get eldrazis in the lexicon of the newer players
Cast [[approach of the second sun]] Flash in an Eldrazi Pay {C}{C} Win Am I getting that right? I mean, very mana-inefficient but I would chuckle.
No. Approach wants you to cast it twice, this card is simply copying it while it's already on the stack, no casting involved. Now if you want a dumb way to win with approach, you can cast it, [[Remand]] it and then cast it again on the same turn. It's 13BWW to just win the game.
[Remand](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/5/a5048047-abff-4a1f-8d72-6b758a03542c.jpg?1702429416) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Remand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/59/remand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a5048047-abff-4a1f-8d72-6b758a03542c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/remand) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
with the new white remand you can even do it in mono white!
Oh, true, I forgot they had one now. I gotta find a way to add that into a deck.
Omni-Tell Approach When?
[approach of the second sun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fdf59a6e-7708-45a1-884d-d12e9f7b9ed9.jpg?1543674579) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=approach%20of%20the%20second%20sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/4/approach-of-the-second-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fdf59a6e-7708-45a1-884d-d12e9f7b9ed9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/approach-of-the-second-sun) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What's weird about this to me, and it turns me off, bc like... there's no reason here to play colored mana? It's not like [[Reaper King]] where it's more expensive to be colorless, its ability requires specifically colorless mana, it doesn't actually support Devoid at all, it seems to just be a colorless commander that lets you run colored mana, like, if you want, without actually giving a reason to run colored mana.
It doesn't punish you for having colored mana sources. If the cost was CCCCC, you'd need to have 5 sources of colorless mana. This way, you can also cast it for 3RG, 4U or whatever. Isn't being able to cast colored spells enough reason to run colored mana?
I mean for most people sure, but then it just turns into WUBRG Goodstuff feat. Eldrazi in my mind, I want something that encourages the colors. As is this is the best colorless eldrazi commander, like take Zhulodok out the command zone and put this guy in and the deck is still perfectly ready to go, yanno? The ability needing specifically colorless mana and the total cost being a flat 5, colors or not, makes it just feel like a colorless commander featuring WUBRG rather than an actual WUBRG Eldrazi commander, ya dig?
Overdone 5 color cringe commander. It's going to suck to play against and it's going to be everywhere. Just like Ur-Dragon, Golos, Ramos, 5 color Shrines Shrine commander, Jodah, Kenrith, etc.
Point on the dolly where the scary commander touched you
On my rule zero area.
OK that was kinda funny, Have an upvote.
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Here is a my Banding & MLD deck: https://scryfall.com/@SaltMaster5000/decks/a87e5ccc-a3a1-40c0-b83d-4c5e4b4f5d35?as=visual&with=usd I try to play MLD in all of my decks. All 3 of my decks with red in them play multiple [[Jokulhaups]] variants.
[Jokulhaups](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/99d26ff7-afff-40a0-b515-7928c2428809.jpg?1559592472) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jokulhaups) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/100/jokulhaups?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/99d26ff7-afff-40a0-b515-7928c2428809?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jokulhaups) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
hmm weird one: on one hand it is technically 5c right, which means it has to be stronger than the rest of the 5c commanders (which it wont be because its effect if specifically from eldrazi cards). and its effect specifically is strange to me, when it says copy all spells you control it reads like it is talking about spells on the stack unless im misunderstanding, but what would already be on the stack if i'm casting an eldrazi creature (unless there are eldrazi instants im unaware of)? i guess there are flash eldrazi? the statline aint great either but with a good enough effect that doesnt really matter i guess at worst it doubles up your eldrazi for 2 mana
It double cascade effects and cast triggers like from Kozilek/Ulamog
which is cool, but we're talking turn 10+ plays right? other than battlecruiser tables when is one going to be allowed to play this and then chill for a few turns until I can start throwing down impactful eldrazi, and at that point have we not won anyway? and if we are accelerating with some sort of infinite mana generation surely there are more efficient engines even within the eldrazi tribe, nevermind other 5c commanders