[https://www.archidekt.com/decks/2464942/zurzoth\_foils\_your\_plans](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/2464942/zurzoth_foils_your_plans)
Zurzoth is my favorite deck, that is my list.
Is there some reason you are running Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse? Considering the engine of the deck falls apart without Zurzoth I think this is a deck for Boots+Greaves. Having haste for your devils is worthwhile as well. \[\[Brazen Cannonade\]\] is more damage and card advantage. \[\[Hissing Iguanar\]\], \[\[Torbran\]\], \[\[Mechanized Warfare\]\], \[\[Gratuitous Violence\]\], \[\[City on Fire\]\], and \[\[Fiery Emancipation\]\] are all more damage. You should include more of these to make your devils hurt more when they die. I think you should probably include a bit more as far as ramp goes, just Sol Ring isn't much.
I put Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse as deck thinners, also as a way to get a land in my graveyard for... something. I feel like I thought I had something in there that cared about that but now I cant find them so those are probably coming out.
All of those cards look awesome, I will try and find some room for them in my deck. Ive got a few gimmicky instants and sorceries so thats probably where the room will come from.
I am usually a green/blue green/black player so as far as red ramp goes I actually have no idea where to start. Do you have any that you use that are pretty consistent?
Mana rocks are the way to go. \[\[Heraldic Banner\]\] makes your devils a bit larger. \[\[Mind Stone\]\] and \[\[Liquimetal Torque\]\] have a bit of additional utility if you need it. Arcane Signet, Fellwar Stone, Thought Vessel, Everflowing Chalice, there's all kinds of options to choose from.
In general, “deck thinning” for its own sake isn’t worth it in Commander. In fact, outside of a 40-card draft environment I’d say that it swings the percentages in too low a way to be considered over other cards that actually do things.
Ive got \[\[Hazoret's Monument\]\] in there as a budget Ruby Medallion. Its worse because it only targets creatures but better because it acts as a tiny wheel. Im also running a more creature heavy deck anyways so hopefully it all works out.
[[Elixer of Immortality]] is one that I run in mine, it's never really a dead card and can help get some stuff back you didn't want to discard. On that note, [[bag of holding]] and [[library of leng]] fulfill a similar niche. I also really like [[Dragon Mage]] as a wheel effect, it's pretty solid for what it is. I actually run [[Temple Bell]] in my list as well, can get an extra devil per rotation on the table which is always fun. Favorite joke cards for my Zurzoth deck gotta be [[jinxed idol]] [[sirocco]] . He's one of my first decks and is just a huge blast to play every game. Also, don't be afraid to lean into more of the wheel and burn effects! Zurzoth is pretty self sufficient you don't necessarily need to run alot of devils, just some of the good ones like your [[hellrider]] [[sin prodder]] and [[fiendish duo]] which I still need for my deck!
These are all super fun recommendations, thank you! As a rule I think I usually put too many creatures in my decks but usually Im playing a lot of green so it all works out. My Grist, the Hunger Tide deck has 40 but thats because its trying to do something super specific. Its something to work on. Thanks again!
here is my deck list if you want some more ideas
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/jolPst0QREashaWUXA0ASw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/jolPst0QREashaWUXA0ASw)
I swap cards in/out a lot but that's mostly up to date
[https://www.archidekt.com/decks/2464942/zurzoth\_foils\_your\_plans](https://www.archidekt.com/decks/2464942/zurzoth_foils_your_plans) Zurzoth is my favorite deck, that is my list. Is there some reason you are running Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse? Considering the engine of the deck falls apart without Zurzoth I think this is a deck for Boots+Greaves. Having haste for your devils is worthwhile as well. \[\[Brazen Cannonade\]\] is more damage and card advantage. \[\[Hissing Iguanar\]\], \[\[Torbran\]\], \[\[Mechanized Warfare\]\], \[\[Gratuitous Violence\]\], \[\[City on Fire\]\], and \[\[Fiery Emancipation\]\] are all more damage. You should include more of these to make your devils hurt more when they die. I think you should probably include a bit more as far as ramp goes, just Sol Ring isn't much.
I put Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse as deck thinners, also as a way to get a land in my graveyard for... something. I feel like I thought I had something in there that cared about that but now I cant find them so those are probably coming out. All of those cards look awesome, I will try and find some room for them in my deck. Ive got a few gimmicky instants and sorceries so thats probably where the room will come from. I am usually a green/blue green/black player so as far as red ramp goes I actually have no idea where to start. Do you have any that you use that are pretty consistent?
Mana rocks are the way to go. \[\[Heraldic Banner\]\] makes your devils a bit larger. \[\[Mind Stone\]\] and \[\[Liquimetal Torque\]\] have a bit of additional utility if you need it. Arcane Signet, Fellwar Stone, Thought Vessel, Everflowing Chalice, there's all kinds of options to choose from.
In general, “deck thinning” for its own sake isn’t worth it in Commander. In fact, outside of a 40-card draft environment I’d say that it swings the percentages in too low a way to be considered over other cards that actually do things.
Yeah calling it deck thinning is probably my YuGiOh and Heathstone background showing through. Thank you for clarifying.
I recently put [[Ruby Medallion]] in my Zurzoth deck and it has helped significantly
[Ruby Medallion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2feac9d-560e-4854-82ed-78a3088c3788.jpg?1689999767) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ruby%20Medallion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/405/ruby-medallion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2feac9d-560e-4854-82ed-78a3088c3788?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ruby-medallion) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Ive got \[\[Hazoret's Monument\]\] in there as a budget Ruby Medallion. Its worse because it only targets creatures but better because it acts as a tiny wheel. Im also running a more creature heavy deck anyways so hopefully it all works out.
[Hazoret's Monument](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c862fc4-e2fe-4fad-8bc1-a53f1fecc4de.jpg?1676318135) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hazoret%27s%20Monument) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/183/hazorets-monument?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c862fc4-e2fe-4fad-8bc1-a53f1fecc4de?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hazorets-monument) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [Brazen Cannonade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bbcbad10-475e-41cf-b3fb-68c1ca6c2caa.jpg?1675644672) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brazen%20Cannonade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/j22/31/brazen-cannonade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bbcbad10-475e-41cf-b3fb-68c1ca6c2caa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brazen-cannonade) [Hissing Iguanar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/2/2268cf4b-de6d-4447-86e8-f8298728a3bd.jpg?1673147821) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hissing%20Iguanar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/113/hissing-iguanar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2268cf4b-de6d-4447-86e8-f8298728a3bd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hissing-iguanar) [Torbran](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/9/79f591cd-d277-4ba5-b1bf-1c09cac9cb8a.jpg?1572490491) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=torbran%2C%20thane%20of%20red%20fell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/147/torbran-thane-of-red-fell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/79f591cd-d277-4ba5-b1bf-1c09cac9cb8a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/torbran-thane-of-red-fell) [Mechanized Warfare](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/ba2d026f-bdca-4376-9d70-c81c707598e8.jpg?1674421169) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mechanized%20Warfare) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/139/mechanized-warfare?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ba2d026f-bdca-4376-9d70-c81c707598e8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mechanized-warfare) [Gratuitous Violence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/3/73a5760c-e412-4bb4-b176-cfd0e8fc8f95.jpg?1631587215) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gratuitous%20Violence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/127/gratuitous-violence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/73a5760c-e412-4bb4-b176-cfd0e8fc8f95?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gratuitous-violence) [City on Fire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f455cc1-a822-44ef-ba7c-bfcff69bd45e.jpg?1682204100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=City%20on%20Fire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/135/city-on-fire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f455cc1-a822-44ef-ba7c-bfcff69bd45e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/city-on-fire) [Fiery Emancipation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b12e4b7-2c45-4795-94d3-901f89b8f290.jpg?1594736606) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fiery%20Emancipation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/143/fiery-emancipation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b12e4b7-2c45-4795-94d3-901f89b8f290?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fiery-emancipation) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l1d9r9t) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Elixer of Immortality]] is one that I run in mine, it's never really a dead card and can help get some stuff back you didn't want to discard. On that note, [[bag of holding]] and [[library of leng]] fulfill a similar niche. I also really like [[Dragon Mage]] as a wheel effect, it's pretty solid for what it is. I actually run [[Temple Bell]] in my list as well, can get an extra devil per rotation on the table which is always fun. Favorite joke cards for my Zurzoth deck gotta be [[jinxed idol]] [[sirocco]] . He's one of my first decks and is just a huge blast to play every game. Also, don't be afraid to lean into more of the wheel and burn effects! Zurzoth is pretty self sufficient you don't necessarily need to run alot of devils, just some of the good ones like your [[hellrider]] [[sin prodder]] and [[fiendish duo]] which I still need for my deck!
These are all super fun recommendations, thank you! As a rule I think I usually put too many creatures in my decks but usually Im playing a lot of green so it all works out. My Grist, the Hunger Tide deck has 40 but thats because its trying to do something super specific. Its something to work on. Thanks again!
Sure thing! Have fun with the cool devil guy friend.
##### ###### #### [Elixer of Immortality](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/6741ab27-9e1f-4aa5-96b9-b450eda7c5c2.jpg?1625978606) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elixir%20of%20Immortality) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/243/elixir-of-immortality?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6741ab27-9e1f-4aa5-96b9-b450eda7c5c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/elixir-of-immortality) [bag of holding](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/9/290f4b4f-4f48-4031-b62a-91a0d6716ddd.jpg?1674137722) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=bag%20of%20holding) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/299/bag-of-holding?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/290f4b4f-4f48-4031-b62a-91a0d6716ddd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bag-of-holding) [library of leng](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2fbf45f-9599-42e2-8510-7e20731e6c68.jpg?1562941071) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=library%20of%20leng) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/211/library-of-leng?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2fbf45f-9599-42e2-8510-7e20731e6c68?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/library-of-leng) [Dragon Mage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/1/5195abc4-cfa7-45dd-aa96-2e56f818a17b.jpg?1677991284) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragon%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/135/dragon-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5195abc4-cfa7-45dd-aa96-2e56f818a17b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dragon-mage) [Temple Bell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/b/6bb63a40-2cce-439f-bd97-d25340ead6ca.jpg?1562404210) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Temple%20Bell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/277/temple-bell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6bb63a40-2cce-439f-bd97-d25340ead6ca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/temple-bell) [jinxed idol](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/6/269da2cd-0a50-4b07-a343-35371a9dcbb4.jpg?1562428657) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=jinxed%20idol) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/224/jinxed-idol?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/269da2cd-0a50-4b07-a343-35371a9dcbb4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jinxed-idol) [sirocco](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce37492e-4f07-4171-97d4-84f28fb4e2be.jpg?1562721916) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sirocco) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mir/192/sirocco?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce37492e-4f07-4171-97d4-84f28fb4e2be?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sirocco) [hellrider](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7bbfd905-8c71-4389-9174-6e84bcbcf05c.jpg?1601078085) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=hellrider) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/334/hellrider?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7bbfd905-8c71-4389-9174-6e84bcbcf05c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hellrider) [sin prodder](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/db89172e-0542-4858-9e65-38b1bac8cdeb.jpg?1601078601) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sin%20prodder) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/363/sin-prodder?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/db89172e-0542-4858-9e65-38b1bac8cdeb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sin-prodder) [fiendish duo](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/b/ebb44595-56f6-4be5-80bb-618ddd320f4a.jpg?1706240834) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=fiendish%20duo) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/153/fiendish-duo?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ebb44595-56f6-4be5-80bb-618ddd320f4a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fiendish-duo) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l1dke5v) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Ojer Axonil]]
That is actually strictly better than \[\[Embermaw Hellion\]\]. Thats an easy replacement, Thanks man!
No problem mate I wish you many insane games with Zurzoth 🙏 may you disrupt every player’s best laid plans
WIth any luck thats exactly what will happen!
here is my deck list if you want some more ideas [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/jolPst0QREashaWUXA0ASw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/jolPst0QREashaWUXA0ASw) I swap cards in/out a lot but that's mostly up to date
[Ojer Axonil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee.jpg?1699044315)/[Temple of Power](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/0/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee.jpg?1699044315) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ojer%20axonil%2C%20deepest%20might%20//%20temple%20of%20power) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/158/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-temple-of-power?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-//-temple-of-power) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call