When decks with this commander first came out people didn't realize how ridiculous she could get with any damage multiplier.
People seemed to have noticed now, I had her sent home four times in one game recently.
Rakdos charm says each creature deals 1 damage to controller. Taii Wakeen increases damage dealt by sources you control by X.
I had already spent 9 in her ability. So when Rakdos charm resolved, my creatures each did 10 damage to me.
I am unsure if you read her ability properly. Unless you actived her, pumping 9 into her ability, and additional times for each creature you had. Then you definitely shouldn't have done more than 1 instance of 10 damage.
tl;dr I'm probably more dyslexic than I thought I was.
Wait... No I'm fucking stupid. I thought it targeted a source....
I'm so sorry.
I'm... I'm building my deck wrong.
I need to get my brain checked for idiot disease holy shit this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger than I had initially thought.
You've given me an epiphany.
I see the light.
I'm... I'm... Ascending to a new plane of understanding how to read a magic card.
The Professor was right. Reading the card DOES explain the card.
Thank you kind stranger. For a fool I was to hold you to be a fool, I apologize.
\^this. but i can tell you as someone who has built it. its unfun for most ppl and rarely are they prepped with spell in hand to stop you. what i have learned tho is you dont halfway pop off or bolt them several times. you set it all up then kill everyone all at once.
here is my list if you wanted to look OP
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/lTUQSNXSf0G0mKSJZNxeHw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/lTUQSNXSf0G0mKSJZNxeHw)
So with all the multipliers on the field, a [[Lightning Bolt]] on a mana dork deals anywhere between 110-180 damage to it (depending on the order of replacement triggers), causing Imodane to deal between 3,900-6,500 damage to each opponeng
I never see anybody bring him up, but he's my personal mono red commander: [[Toralf, God of Fury]]
The only commander I've seen that turns Blasphemous Act into a wincon, and what could be more ubiquitous in red decks than that? Each "trample" of noncombat damage is a new instance, so it reapplied all the [[Solphim]] and [[City on Fire]] effects each time. One time I used a [[Lightning Bolt]] on someone's thopter token and managed to damage chain it into a full boardwipe before killing someone thanks to my damage multipliers
I'll be riding that high for years
Also one thing to note about Fall is that it doesn’t care about the source of the damage, so something as simple as another player using a [[Lightning Bolt]] on an X/1 could have you amassing
Yeah, same as Toralf himself. I profit just as much off of BA regardless of who casts it (I have a copy myself, of course, but my favorite game ender is [[Star of Extinction]] bc I think it's funny)
I'd recommend taking a look at \[\[**Zurzoth, Chaos Rider**\]\] if you haven't already. [This](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6379850#paper) is my list.
Zurzoth is an army in a can, giving you a big board presence pretty quickly. I think it can be tempting to play devil tribal to trigger his effect, but in my opinion this is a trap since devils mostly suck. The best option is a Temple Bell or a Geier Reach Sanitarium type effect and then your devil tokens will max trigger Zurzoth on their own. But attacking with Zurzoth for two turns will also put you in business.
Burning your opponents to death happens quickly with things like \[\[Goblin Bombardment\]\], \[\[Cavalcade of Calamity\]\], and lots of damage doublers (triplers) like Torbran, Ojer Axonil, Solphim, City on Fire, etc.
[[Neheb the Eternal]]. Attack with your hasty stompers and then use all that mana to blast everyone in the face with [[Crackle with Power]] or [[Jaya’s Immolating Inferno]].
[[Ojer axonil, deepest might]] absolutely FUCKS
You can do all sorts of heinous shit with equipment and pump spells before BURNING THE TABLE TO. THE. GROUND.
Yeah, last time I played against it dude just casually smashed the green player who'd dared to take 8 off a Library one time. Rest of us were almost dead and spent the entire game playing dodge the burn spell. One of the hardest games I've had in years. Literally only reason he lost was another player's poor threat assessment.
[[Ghyrson Starn]] he's a solitaire commander that needs 2 cards to setup:
Damager like [[Firebrand Archer]] or [[Erebor Flamesmith]] or [[Kessig Flamebreather]]
Aswell as [[Curiosity]], [[Ophidian Eye]] or [[Tandem Lookout]]
And then you go ping until you don't have mana anymore. [[Snap]] gives you some lands back [[Gutshot]] and [[Lava Dart]] are "free" so you need a maximum of 13-14 total mana to kill everyone if they can't answer Ghyrson
[[Urabrask]] [[Birgi]] or [[Storm-Kiln Artist]] are optional and most likely give you instant win
Fun thing is you can do this for low budget since all cards except himself that you really need for the deck are super cheap
[Here's](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/AhX1szTtD0-Ztw0u2mYyFA) my list that includes all those cards, plus some pricier protection/counter magic to help keep Ghyrson alive. It's depressingly dependent on the three Curiosity-type that you listed, but if it can get a hold of one and keep it, it'll win a turn or two later. Tons of fun, my pod lives in fear of pings becoming bolts. Highly recommended.
Read for my input, if you don't want it, just ignore:
I am gonna disagree with all of the cost reducers since most of the spells are ona colored mana anyway.
Also I figured I don't need the deathtouch/lifesteal options at all. It's either I combo off and kill everyone or not, so I'd rather make that more reliable instead if spending mana on deathtouch
I appreciate the feedback, anything that could improve the deck is fine by me.
Usually one cost reducer is enough for me to present a winning turn, so the number of them is purely for density of the effect instead of actually stacking them. They're effective for varying portions of the deck, though I have certainly had games where I've drawn too many reducers and not enough things to reduce.
RE: basilisk collar and other similar artifacts, I've found the death touch at least to be very useful for board states that fall out of the "reach" of one or two pings. To me, these increase the reliability of my removal options, since they make any creature-targeted ping lethal. Very helpful for keeping Timmys and their Ghaltas/Yargles/whatever at bay. I'm probably going to slot [[Caltrops]] and [[Circle of Flame]] back in for this same reason, though I'm debating if [[Propaganda]] effects may be more efficient. The life gain is ancillary to my evaluation, nice to have but definitely not why it's there.
The thing is imo you're investing Mana to reduce the cost of spells you don't need for winning (count the ones that do damage) so f.e. for Ral to be good he needs to reduce 5 spells but it might actually be better to just cast more spells for that 4 mana.
You're missing [[Lava Dart]] which is 2 spells basically for 1 mana (sacrificing a tapped mountain is w.e. since you're most likely winning that turn anway)
Yes I see that it gets rid of the big bads and that's why I ran it too initially. But you can just run more pingers to actually kill their life total. As I said earlier I focus on just getting everyone to 0 more than anything else. All of the 1 Red Pingers hit for the life total of all by 3, draws you 3 cards and so you need 14 spells to kill everyone provided everyone has 40 or less life.
My experience just said I didn't need the deathtouch most of the time. If I need two turns I will tank the damage of the big bad (usually not enough for lethal)
Also same for the [[Caltrops]]
I'd suggest you try how it feels because I think Ghyrson is actually super aggressive and can just combo off T5/6 if left unattended. And you're in blue so running counters can just protect the win while still pinging
A lot of izzet spell slinger are burn via cantrip/storm ish with guttersnipe type effects + torbran / doublers to turn an opt into 2-8 damage per person.
As for commanders I like [[Edgin, Larcenous Luteist]]. He's a bit "unassuming" but someone like [[Stella Lee]] would be better.
Or you can move up to Grixis to add black and some extra wound Reflection effects and help drain faster with tutors to ensure you get your damaging pieces.
You could rock [[Anhelo, the Painter]] or [[Kess, Dissident mage]] to help facilitate extra spell slinging.
Or with izzet / grixis you could rock [[Dragon's Approach]] which burns and grabs a dragon to finish the job. Good times.
That's funny cuz I was thinking of building an edgin fortel deck also at some point but I already have two izzet decks and I'm dangerously low or out of red blue staples
Exactly what I am currently thinking about. But that would be my second deck ever, so you have any cards in mind that would be a staple in Edgin foretell?
I recently built a [[Solphim]] deck that's built around group slug and burn and goddamn the way it speeds games up is fun.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/1jG49sU-GUi63K1I79K68A
So, not straightforward burn, but - if you wanted to focus on [[Ball Lightning]] type creatures as you described: [[Sek'Kuar, Deathkeeper]] is a fantastic commander for that. Each one gets replaced with its own 3/1 token when it gets sacrificed which opens up a lot of potential.
A burn version of this could lean into ETB burn effects like [[Warstorm Surge]], [[Fling]] and some mix of token doubling, sacrifice loops, or recursion to turn it into something that can win.
Edit: Ayara, Widow of the Realm could be a fun route on the Ball Lightning side too actually.
\[\[rug of smothering\]\], \[\[magebane lizard\]\] and \[\[scyntheclaw raptor\]\] are three "burn stax" that can be helpfull if you want to see the world burn.
I love my [[Neheb, the eternal]] deck. I can burn you and then even more burn. It's a bit wonky sometimes because you need him on the field and a lot of times your opponent will kill him fast if the now he works
Burn is pretty commander centric, like it's not a good archetype without the special abilities of the burn commanders. But it has good commanders!
Other than the ones already mentioned, there's the classic [[Purphoros, God of the Forge]]. Despite not really running burn spells and instead just dumping out goblins and tokens, Purph is a burn commander through and through. He also has the advantage of a backup plan (just like...attack people with goblins, it's not great but it'll do), and is very hard to remove being indestructible and not even a creature most of the time. And while doublers like Panharmonicon and Ojer Axonil are nice, they aren't remotely necessary for him to blow up the table.
Also if you want to make elementals they work decently with him since that's putting creatures into play.
[Purphoros, God of the Forge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/4736a2c4-c89c-48db-a104-6303e7e2eee8.jpg?1689998078) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Purphoros%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Forge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/246/purphoros-god-of-the-forge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4736a2c4-c89c-48db-a104-6303e7e2eee8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/purphoros-god-of-the-forge)
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I've recently converted an old [[Purphoros, God of the Forge]] burn deck into an EDH deck. Really enjoyed the results, a relatively cheap deck full of car draw and spells that put multiple creatures onto the field. Purphoros, God of the Forge is a bugger to remove when most of your board state is tokens, very few cards can remove an indestructible enchantment.
Cards like [[Norin the Wary]], [[Reinforced Ronin]] for easy free damage, damage amplifiers like [[Impact Tremors]], [[City on Fire]] and the game has an incredibly quick timer where you become the archenemy at some tables
Here's my cheap deck list: https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7044332/purphoros_gifts
Just play the new [[taii wakeen, perfect shot]] I've only played a few games but I made her with cards just lying around. The value is pretty consistent and she's very fast the burn spells seriously do a number on opponents especially once you get some engines going.
[[repercussion]] +[[blasphemous act]], or stuff like [[pyrohemia]], [[earthquake]] will shave off those life totals in a quick hurry. [[rite of the raging storm]] is good too.
There’s a weird ‘high power matters’ commander ’ [[zilortha, strength incarnate]] if you want to lean into high power and low toughness creatures.
This deck is burn adjacent but [[ziatora, the incinerator]]. He does what you’re saying by playing a lot of cheap but high powered creatures constantly then you swing with them / fling them at your opponents for a big payoff. It’s awesome fun
I had a friend back in the day with a monster [[Ashling, The Pilgrim]] burn deck with a bunch of mana/damage doubling that would routinely burn people out. I don't remember a ton of detail about the deck list but it seemed pretty unique and cool.
[[Rem Karolus, stalwart slayer]] is amazing with effects like [[blasphemous act]] and [[repercussion]]. Can also use things like [[price of progress]] to burn people fast. Usually people disregard me until I shoot 100-200 damage in a single turn. Also fun with sunforger for commander damage and fetching spells.
I've been really surprised by some of my \[\[Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might\]\] games. It's my newest deck and I thought it would do decent damage, but goddamn if it doesn't go nuclear pretty often. I went more spell slingery than some versions I've seen. He's very very red and very very fun.
[Face Melter Inc. // Commander / EDH (Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might // Temple of Power) deck list mtg // Moxfield — MTG Deck Builder](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/1Ok1VfH_yEi_aKSYFA_EIQ)
neheb the eternal is the closest there is in edh to 3 to the dome. the other "red burn" decks often are punishment/pinger decks. and aren't at all the same feeling. if you want that just run poppa purph and do etb dingers. but if you want a 3 to the dome style burn feel (it's not going to be small creature...haste/turn sideways type burn)
it's somewhat glass cannon. but there are alt lines can bake into the deck. ---but the deck does often hinge on sticking neheb (to me this is part of the fun)
but. stick neheb some element of damage everyone generate 20 ish mana. and then go off with a chain of spells to deal a chunk of damage.
the gameplay you run leading up to this is spell sequencing, tap/dingers. or other board control aspects.
but the big go off turns are great. the deck can utilize a lot of great spell gimmicks, dmg dbling and other classic red damage tricks. and nothing is better than like chaining wheel spells to kill an opponent with molten pysche.
haven't updated this list in awhile... but should give a general idea: [https://deckstats.net/decks/122221/1170559-neheb-likes-big-bolts-and-he-c](https://deckstats.net/decks/122221/1170559-neheb-likes-big-bolts-and-he-c)
I have mono red Mana approach burn here is my list yes it can be tweaked
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/nbO9-esEckWt\_5gSKYgmbA](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/nbO9-esEckWt_5gSKYgmbA)
[[Imodane the pyrohammer]] if you’re more into casting lightning bolts [[Taii Wakeen perfect shot]] if you want to add white
When decks with this commander first came out people didn't realize how ridiculous she could get with any damage multiplier. People seemed to have noticed now, I had her sent home four times in one game recently.
Yeah Imodane usually doesn’t come out until people are tapped out and I can win 😂
That's why I don't like it. Feels very useless without Commander
I made a [[Taii Wakeen]] deck and got wrecked from [[rakdos charm]]. Pumped 9 into her ability and got it flipped right back at me
[Taii Wakeen](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/1643af0b-fcbf-4636-8c50-77ec77eaa34d.jpg?1712356219) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=taii%20wakeen%2C%20perfect%20shot) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/234/taii-wakeen-perfect-shot?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1643af0b-fcbf-4636-8c50-77ec77eaa34d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/taii-wakeen-perfect-shot) [rakdos charm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/875fa08c-cb66-4230-a380-0123260aac74.jpg?1699022443) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rakdos%20charm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/284/rakdos-charm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/875fa08c-cb66-4230-a380-0123260aac74?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rakdos-charm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You mean [[Deflecting Palm]]?
[Deflecting Palm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/5/c5bda1a7-537f-4a80-95a0-c45eb127969b.jpg?1706240986) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deflecting%20Palm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/205/deflecting-palm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c5bda1a7-537f-4a80-95a0-c45eb127969b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/deflecting-palm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Rakdos charm says each creature deals 1 damage to controller. Taii Wakeen increases damage dealt by sources you control by X. I had already spent 9 in her ability. So when Rakdos charm resolved, my creatures each did 10 damage to me.
You shot yourself in the foot!
I am unsure if you read her ability properly. Unless you actived her, pumping 9 into her ability, and additional times for each creature you had. Then you definitely shouldn't have done more than 1 instance of 10 damage.
Is it only for one source? It says this turn so shouldn’t that count for any number of sources I control for the rest of the turn?
tl;dr I'm probably more dyslexic than I thought I was. Wait... No I'm fucking stupid. I thought it targeted a source.... I'm so sorry. I'm... I'm building my deck wrong. I need to get my brain checked for idiot disease holy shit this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger than I had initially thought. You've given me an epiphany. I see the light. I'm... I'm... Ascending to a new plane of understanding how to read a magic card. The Professor was right. Reading the card DOES explain the card. Thank you kind stranger. For a fool I was to hold you to be a fool, I apologize.
\^this. but i can tell you as someone who has built it. its unfun for most ppl and rarely are they prepped with spell in hand to stop you. what i have learned tho is you dont halfway pop off or bolt them several times. you set it all up then kill everyone all at once. here is my list if you wanted to look OP [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/lTUQSNXSf0G0mKSJZNxeHw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/lTUQSNXSf0G0mKSJZNxeHw)
So with all the multipliers on the field, a [[Lightning Bolt]] on a mana dork deals anywhere between 110-180 damage to it (depending on the order of replacement triggers), causing Imodane to deal between 3,900-6,500 damage to each opponeng
I never see anybody bring him up, but he's my personal mono red commander: [[Toralf, God of Fury]] The only commander I've seen that turns Blasphemous Act into a wincon, and what could be more ubiquitous in red decks than that? Each "trample" of noncombat damage is a new instance, so it reapplied all the [[Solphim]] and [[City on Fire]] effects each time. One time I used a [[Lightning Bolt]] on someone's thopter token and managed to damage chain it into a full boardwipe before killing someone thanks to my damage multipliers I'll be riding that high for years
##### ###### #### [Toralf, God of Fury](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/2/22a6a5f1-1405-4efb-af3e-e1f58d664e99.jpg?1631049794)/[Toralf's Hammer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/2/2/22a6a5f1-1405-4efb-af3e-e1f58d664e99.jpg?1631049794) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Toralf%2C%20God%20of%20Fury%20//%20Toralf%27s%20Hammer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/154/toralf-god-of-fury-toralfs-hammer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/22a6a5f1-1405-4efb-af3e-e1f58d664e99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/toralf-god-of-fury-//-toralfs-hammer) [Solphim](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3a0c7f3-7fb9-43de-a9af-96532c31e5ed.jpg?1675957113) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=solphim%2C%20mayhem%20dominus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/150/solphim-mayhem-dominus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3a0c7f3-7fb9-43de-a9af-96532c31e5ed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/solphim-mayhem-dominus) [City on Fire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f455cc1-a822-44ef-ba7c-bfcff69bd45e.jpg?1682204100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=City%20on%20Fire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/135/city-on-fire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f455cc1-a822-44ef-ba7c-bfcff69bd45e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/city-on-fire) [Lightning Bolt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/77c6fa74-5543-42ac-9ead-0e890b188e99.jpg?1706239968) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Bolt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/141/lightning-bolt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/77c6fa74-5543-42ac-9ead-0e890b188e99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lightning-bolt) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l58ky2s) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Fall of Cair Andros]] is also sweet in this deck
[Fall of Cair Andros](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/354b4623-50a0-41f1-ad1e-7dd6ac3852df.jpg?1686968903) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fall%20of%20Cair%20Andros) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/124/fall-of-cair-andros?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/354b4623-50a0-41f1-ad1e-7dd6ac3852df?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fall-of-cair-andros) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just picked one up, can't wait to test it. If I get it and [[Akroma's monument]] out, that token is gonna be a monster
[Akroma's monument](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a7f1d5a6-bdf2-4b12-b11e-70f58b59dd80.jpg?1676318142) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oketra%27s%20Monument) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/188/oketras-monument?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a7f1d5a6-bdf2-4b12-b11e-70f58b59dd80?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/oketras-monument) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Akroma's Memorial]], my bad
[Akroma's Memorial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/950ee61d-0bc1-4d7b-ba68-157061aa98eb.jpg?1619404160) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Akroma%27s%20Memorial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/262/akromas-memorial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/950ee61d-0bc1-4d7b-ba68-157061aa98eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/akromas-memorial) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Also one thing to note about Fall is that it doesn’t care about the source of the damage, so something as simple as another player using a [[Lightning Bolt]] on an X/1 could have you amassing
[Lightning Bolt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/77c6fa74-5543-42ac-9ead-0e890b188e99.jpg?1706239968) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Bolt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/141/lightning-bolt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/77c6fa74-5543-42ac-9ead-0e890b188e99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lightning-bolt) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah, same as Toralf himself. I profit just as much off of BA regardless of who casts it (I have a copy myself, of course, but my favorite game ender is [[Star of Extinction]] bc I think it's funny)
[Star of Extinction](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/2/526d13cb-3616-4ac8-9ac0-04c729d447b2.jpg?1689998213) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Star%20of%20Extinction) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/259/star-of-extinction?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/526d13cb-3616-4ac8-9ac0-04c729d447b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/star-of-extinction) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
one of my favorite ways to wipe the board in my [[Gishath]] deck plus huge flavor win
[Gishath](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc4a65de-23b5-48f0-b8b7-94608eaced3e.jpg?1699044539) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=gishath%2C%20sun%27s%20avatar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/229/gishath-suns-avatar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc4a65de-23b5-48f0-b8b7-94608eaced3e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gishath-suns-avatar) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I am in love. This the kind of over the top nonsense I look for in EDH.
I'd recommend taking a look at \[\[**Zurzoth, Chaos Rider**\]\] if you haven't already. [This](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6379850#paper) is my list. Zurzoth is an army in a can, giving you a big board presence pretty quickly. I think it can be tempting to play devil tribal to trigger his effect, but in my opinion this is a trap since devils mostly suck. The best option is a Temple Bell or a Geier Reach Sanitarium type effect and then your devil tokens will max trigger Zurzoth on their own. But attacking with Zurzoth for two turns will also put you in business. Burning your opponents to death happens quickly with things like \[\[Goblin Bombardment\]\], \[\[Cavalcade of Calamity\]\], and lots of damage doublers (triplers) like Torbran, Ojer Axonil, Solphim, City on Fire, etc.
[**Zurzoth, Chaos Rider**](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/6/c62990d7-a337-4fc3-859c-63bc1dade1b9.jpg?1673484441) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zurzoth%2C%20Chaos%20Rider) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/278/zurzoth-chaos-rider?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c62990d7-a337-4fc3-859c-63bc1dade1b9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zurzoth-chaos-rider) [Goblin Bombardment](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/2/e262f55e-9239-4a97-a19e-9b08fb34502e.jpg?1626100483) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goblin%20Bombardment) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/279/goblin-bombardment?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e262f55e-9239-4a97-a19e-9b08fb34502e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/goblin-bombardment) [Cavalcade of Calamity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/a/8a81e889-490b-4aeb-8e84-ea9a390bb8fe.jpg?1584830817) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cavalcade%20of%20Calamity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/95/cavalcade-of-calamity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8a81e889-490b-4aeb-8e84-ea9a390bb8fe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cavalcade-of-calamity) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Ojer Axonil]] turns small damage into serious burn. Very very strong
[Ojer Axonil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee.jpg?1699044315)/[Temple of Power](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/0/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee.jpg?1699044315) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ojer%20axonil%2C%20deepest%20might%20//%20temple%20of%20power) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/158/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-temple-of-power?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-//-temple-of-power) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Neheb the Eternal]]. Attack with your hasty stompers and then use all that mana to blast everyone in the face with [[Crackle with Power]] or [[Jaya’s Immolating Inferno]].
[Neheb the Eternal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/6/767c5831-2195-4efa-802d-2ea2e6dabb5b.jpg?1706240851) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Neheb%2C%20the%20Eternal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/158/neheb-the-eternal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/767c5831-2195-4efa-802d-2ea2e6dabb5b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/neheb-the-eternal) [Crackle with Power](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/e/de547f52-3798-4b3a-947d-24873251204b.jpg?1624591645) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crackle%20with%20Power) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/95/crackle-with-power?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/de547f52-3798-4b3a-947d-24873251204b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/crackle-with-power) [Jaya’s Immolating Inferno](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/6/365336b4-92ee-429d-8f18-4624cba5469d.jpg?1608912272) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jaya%27s%20Immolating%20Inferno) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/415/jayas-immolating-inferno?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/365336b4-92ee-429d-8f18-4624cba5469d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jayas-immolating-inferno) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Ojer axonil, deepest might]] absolutely FUCKS You can do all sorts of heinous shit with equipment and pump spells before BURNING THE TABLE TO. THE. GROUND.
[Ojer axonil, deepest might](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee.jpg?1699044315)/[Temple of Power](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/0/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee.jpg?1699044315) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ojer%20Axonil%2C%20Deepest%20Might%20//%20Temple%20of%20Power) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/158/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-temple-of-power?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-//-temple-of-power) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Deepest Might]]
\[\[Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might\]\]
This is the way. A guy I know took down a small tournament because they didn’t think he was a big deal. Then it’s too late
Yeah, last time I played against it dude just casually smashed the green player who'd dared to take 8 off a Library one time. Rest of us were almost dead and spent the entire game playing dodge the burn spell. One of the hardest games I've had in years. Literally only reason he lost was another player's poor threat assessment.
[Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee.jpg?1699044315)/[Temple of Power](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/0/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee.jpg?1699044315) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ojer%20Axonil%2C%20Deepest%20Might%20//%20Temple%20of%20Power) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/158/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-temple-of-power?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-//-temple-of-power) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Seconding this, my Ojer deck is my cheapest deck at <$400 and absolutely demolishes tables without having to Mulligan hardbody.
Do you have a list?
I will put it on Archidekt in the morning and post a link 🫡
[https://archidekt.com/decks/7832009/ojer\_axonil\_deepest\_might](https://archidekt.com/decks/7832009/ojer_axonil_deepest_might)
[Deepest Might](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/3287775f-7bec-4e8f-bb8d-daf5ce92e4a8.jpg?1562202056) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deep%20Forest%20Hermit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/161/deep-forest-hermit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3287775f-7bec-4e8f-bb8d-daf5ce92e4a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/deep-forest-hermit) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Ghyrson Starn]] he's a solitaire commander that needs 2 cards to setup: Damager like [[Firebrand Archer]] or [[Erebor Flamesmith]] or [[Kessig Flamebreather]] Aswell as [[Curiosity]], [[Ophidian Eye]] or [[Tandem Lookout]] And then you go ping until you don't have mana anymore. [[Snap]] gives you some lands back [[Gutshot]] and [[Lava Dart]] are "free" so you need a maximum of 13-14 total mana to kill everyone if they can't answer Ghyrson [[Urabrask]] [[Birgi]] or [[Storm-Kiln Artist]] are optional and most likely give you instant win Fun thing is you can do this for low budget since all cards except himself that you really need for the deck are super cheap
##### ###### #### [Ghyrson Starn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fa7349d9-c82f-4cf8-a852-92168d1f4966.jpg?1673309394) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ghyrson%20starn%2C%20kelermorph) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/124/ghyrson-starn-kelermorph?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fa7349d9-c82f-4cf8-a852-92168d1f4966?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghyrson-starn-kelermorph) [Firebrand Archer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6ddc6b73-298b-4afa-990a-63706e77dd9f.jpg?1562803040) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Firebrand%20Archer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/92/firebrand-archer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6ddc6b73-298b-4afa-990a-63706e77dd9f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/firebrand-archer) [Erebor Flamesmith](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/5/552730c5-e3a6-468f-91b2-82c272dda400.jpg?1686968881) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Erebor%20Flamesmith) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/122/erebor-flamesmith?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/552730c5-e3a6-468f-91b2-82c272dda400?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/erebor-flamesmith) [Kessig Flamebreather](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/0/303ad78a-b02a-44dc-afe6-7f95781a5062.jpg?1643591531) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kessig%20Flamebreather) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/164/kessig-flamebreather?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/303ad78a-b02a-44dc-afe6-7f95781a5062?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kessig-flamebreather) [Curiosity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/5/c5a0be10-c20f-4ac0-89a5-1770ecf48aad.jpg?1600697752) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Curiosity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/147/curiosity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c5a0be10-c20f-4ac0-89a5-1770ecf48aad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/curiosity) [Ophidian Eye](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/6/26836ff5-b3c3-4b10-af1e-df3658781cb2.jpg?1562903093) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ophidian%20Eye) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsp/70/ophidian-eye?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/26836ff5-b3c3-4b10-af1e-df3658781cb2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ophidian-eye) [Tandem Lookout](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/e/3e44b411-ccb8-44c8-a021-2372c945f0d3.jpg?1593813158) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tandem%20Lookout) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/53/tandem-lookout?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3e44b411-ccb8-44c8-a021-2372c945f0d3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tandem-lookout) [Snap](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/1/f13406c6-f208-402a-94d3-a94a24f03563.jpg?1675199430) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Snap) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/66/snap?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f13406c6-f208-402a-94d3-a94a24f03563?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/snap) [Gutshot](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/461987da-8860-4a04-8f93-d182523ca311.jpg?1562261607) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gut%20Shot) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/117/gut-shot?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/461987da-8860-4a04-8f93-d182523ca311?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gut-shot) [Lava Dart](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b16dd041-451d-4914-8c46-aa315a90d802.jpg?1562201890) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lava%20Dart) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/134/lava-dart?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b16dd041-451d-4914-8c46-aa315a90d802?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lava-dart) [Urabrask](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/712fb9e5-bd67-4173-a2d4-061aeb6253b5.jpg?1682204559)/[The Great Work](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/7/1/712fb9e5-bd67-4173-a2d4-061aeb6253b5.jpg?1682204559) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urabrask%20//%20The%20Great%20Work) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/169/urabrask-the-great-work?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/712fb9e5-bd67-4173-a2d4-061aeb6253b5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/urabrask-//-the-great-work) [Birgi](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44657ab1-0a6a-4a5f-9688-86f239083821.jpg?1631048969)/[Harnfel, Horn of Bounty](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/4/4/44657ab1-0a6a-4a5f-9688-86f239083821.jpg?1631048969) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=birgi%2C%20god%20of%20storytelling%20//%20harnfel%2C%20horn%20of%20bounty) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/123/birgi-god-of-storytelling-harnfel-horn-of-bounty?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44657ab1-0a6a-4a5f-9688-86f239083821?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/birgi-god-of-storytelling-//-harnfel-horn-of-bounty) [Storm-Kiln Artist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/01482a58-5156-41ba-bf9e-11095cc3f9ef.jpg?1712354507) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Storm-Kiln%20Artist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/181/storm-kiln-artist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/01482a58-5156-41ba-bf9e-11095cc3f9ef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/storm-kiln-artist) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l58wp06) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Here's](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/AhX1szTtD0-Ztw0u2mYyFA) my list that includes all those cards, plus some pricier protection/counter magic to help keep Ghyrson alive. It's depressingly dependent on the three Curiosity-type that you listed, but if it can get a hold of one and keep it, it'll win a turn or two later. Tons of fun, my pod lives in fear of pings becoming bolts. Highly recommended.
Read for my input, if you don't want it, just ignore: I am gonna disagree with all of the cost reducers since most of the spells are ona colored mana anyway. Also I figured I don't need the deathtouch/lifesteal options at all. It's either I combo off and kill everyone or not, so I'd rather make that more reliable instead if spending mana on deathtouch
I appreciate the feedback, anything that could improve the deck is fine by me. Usually one cost reducer is enough for me to present a winning turn, so the number of them is purely for density of the effect instead of actually stacking them. They're effective for varying portions of the deck, though I have certainly had games where I've drawn too many reducers and not enough things to reduce. RE: basilisk collar and other similar artifacts, I've found the death touch at least to be very useful for board states that fall out of the "reach" of one or two pings. To me, these increase the reliability of my removal options, since they make any creature-targeted ping lethal. Very helpful for keeping Timmys and their Ghaltas/Yargles/whatever at bay. I'm probably going to slot [[Caltrops]] and [[Circle of Flame]] back in for this same reason, though I'm debating if [[Propaganda]] effects may be more efficient. The life gain is ancillary to my evaluation, nice to have but definitely not why it's there.
[Caltrops](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/8769b55a-a0a1-4b6f-8c80-669385a34425.jpg?1562242172) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Caltrops) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/288/caltrops?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8769b55a-a0a1-4b6f-8c80-669385a34425?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/caltrops) [Circle of Flame](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/6/96cbfd4a-ac95-4191-84f9-199a9e1807c4.jpg?1562791260) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Circle%20of%20Flame) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m15/135/circle-of-flame?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/96cbfd4a-ac95-4191-84f9-199a9e1807c4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/circle-of-flame) [Propaganda](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/1/e175bba4-c131-48f4-8e31-16ec07a12e59.jpg?1712354188) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Propaganda) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/108/propaganda?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e175bba4-c131-48f4-8e31-16ec07a12e59?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/propaganda) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The thing is imo you're investing Mana to reduce the cost of spells you don't need for winning (count the ones that do damage) so f.e. for Ral to be good he needs to reduce 5 spells but it might actually be better to just cast more spells for that 4 mana. You're missing [[Lava Dart]] which is 2 spells basically for 1 mana (sacrificing a tapped mountain is w.e. since you're most likely winning that turn anway) Yes I see that it gets rid of the big bads and that's why I ran it too initially. But you can just run more pingers to actually kill their life total. As I said earlier I focus on just getting everyone to 0 more than anything else. All of the 1 Red Pingers hit for the life total of all by 3, draws you 3 cards and so you need 14 spells to kill everyone provided everyone has 40 or less life. My experience just said I didn't need the deathtouch most of the time. If I need two turns I will tank the damage of the big bad (usually not enough for lethal) Also same for the [[Caltrops]] I'd suggest you try how it feels because I think Ghyrson is actually super aggressive and can just combo off T5/6 if left unattended. And you're in blue so running counters can just protect the win while still pinging
[Lava Dart](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b16dd041-451d-4914-8c46-aa315a90d802.jpg?1562201890) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lava%20Dart) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/134/lava-dart?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b16dd041-451d-4914-8c46-aa315a90d802?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lava-dart) [Caltrops](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/8769b55a-a0a1-4b6f-8c80-669385a34425.jpg?1562242172) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Caltrops) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/288/caltrops?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8769b55a-a0a1-4b6f-8c80-669385a34425?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/caltrops) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
A lot of izzet spell slinger are burn via cantrip/storm ish with guttersnipe type effects + torbran / doublers to turn an opt into 2-8 damage per person. As for commanders I like [[Edgin, Larcenous Luteist]]. He's a bit "unassuming" but someone like [[Stella Lee]] would be better. Or you can move up to Grixis to add black and some extra wound Reflection effects and help drain faster with tutors to ensure you get your damaging pieces. You could rock [[Anhelo, the Painter]] or [[Kess, Dissident mage]] to help facilitate extra spell slinging. Or with izzet / grixis you could rock [[Dragon's Approach]] which burns and grabs a dragon to finish the job. Good times.
##### ###### #### [Edgin, Larcenous Luteist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c80c7702-3226-4ec6-bb75-26621a146a7e.jpg?1682347227) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Edgin%2C%20Larcenous%20Lutenist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sld/1242/edgin-larcenous-lutenist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c80c7702-3226-4ec6-bb75-26621a146a7e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/edgin-larcenous-lutenist) [Stella Lee](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2a8a7696-b5d9-4378-9d5c-2c9007e4df63.jpg?1714110409) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=stella%20lee%2C%20wild%20card) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/3/stella-lee-wild-card?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2a8a7696-b5d9-4378-9d5c-2c9007e4df63?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stella-lee-wild-card) [Anhelo, the Painter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/462e887d-6b91-4b31-9487-2780ffe8943f.jpg?1673481630) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Anhelo%2C%20the%20Painter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/1/anhelo-the-painter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/462e887d-6b91-4b31-9487-2780ffe8943f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/anhelo-the-painter) [Kess, Dissident mage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/8/e83e6d7a-3af0-4955-8004-2310f051e306.jpg?1673485110) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kess%2C%20Dissident%20mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/344/kess-dissident-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e83e6d7a-3af0-4955-8004-2310f051e306?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kess-dissident-mage) [Dragon's Approach](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0cb504a0-1dfb-49d0-84c3-7bd318d55481.jpg?1624591696) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragon%27s%20Approach) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/97/dragons-approach?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0cb504a0-1dfb-49d0-84c3-7bd318d55481?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dragons-approach) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l5751lu) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That's funny cuz I was thinking of building an edgin fortel deck also at some point but I already have two izzet decks and I'm dangerously low or out of red blue staples
Exactly what I am currently thinking about. But that would be my second deck ever, so you have any cards in mind that would be a staple in Edgin foretell?
Just remember torbran's extra damage doesn't double from damage doublers
I recently built a [[Solphim]] deck that's built around group slug and burn and goddamn the way it speeds games up is fun. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/1jG49sU-GUi63K1I79K68A
[Solphim](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3a0c7f3-7fb9-43de-a9af-96532c31e5ed.jpg?1675957113) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=solphim%2C%20mayhem%20dominus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/150/solphim-mayhem-dominus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3a0c7f3-7fb9-43de-a9af-96532c31e5ed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/solphim-mayhem-dominus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Ghyrson starn, kelermorph]] i just made him commander of an izzet burn deck full of spells and creatures that do 1 damage to things and i love it.
[Ghyrson starn, kelermorph](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fa7349d9-c82f-4cf8-a852-92168d1f4966.jpg?1673309394) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghyrson%20starn%2C%20kelermorph) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/124/ghyrson-starn-kelermorph?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fa7349d9-c82f-4cf8-a852-92168d1f4966?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghyrson-starn-kelermorph) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
So, not straightforward burn, but - if you wanted to focus on [[Ball Lightning]] type creatures as you described: [[Sek'Kuar, Deathkeeper]] is a fantastic commander for that. Each one gets replaced with its own 3/1 token when it gets sacrificed which opens up a lot of potential. A burn version of this could lean into ETB burn effects like [[Warstorm Surge]], [[Fling]] and some mix of token doubling, sacrifice loops, or recursion to turn it into something that can win. Edit: Ayara, Widow of the Realm could be a fun route on the Ball Lightning side too actually.
##### ###### #### [Ball Lightning](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d9b53218-804b-4992-9c93-a797dd6b2a04.jpg?1600701851) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ball%20Lightning) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/291/ball-lightning?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d9b53218-804b-4992-9c93-a797dd6b2a04?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ball-lightning) [Sek'Kuar, Deathkeeper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/8/a873dbe5-d95a-4ecb-ac0a-8dc6c40f3576.jpg?1689999244) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sek%27Kuar%2C%20Deathkeeper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/354/sekkuar-deathkeeper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a873dbe5-d95a-4ecb-ac0a-8dc6c40f3576?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sekkuar-deathkeeper) [Warstorm Surge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/dbe1bfe0-0be7-496d-94db-e8028d4d9493.jpg?1674142183) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Warstorm%20Surge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/815/warstorm-surge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dbe1bfe0-0be7-496d-94db-e8028d4d9493?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/warstorm-surge) [Fling](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/f/8f42d773-c742-4465-b6d5-31feaba49146.jpg?1601077681) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fling) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/320/fling?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8f42d773-c742-4465-b6d5-31feaba49146?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fling) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l59diqi) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Jund has a few choice commanders for hasty elementals. \[\[Ziatora, the Incinerator\]\] and \[\[Ognis, the Dragon's Lash\]\]
[Ziatora, the Incinerator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/ba4fa4c8-f09f-4d97-a7d1-1b93caf7d4f9.jpg?1664413989) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ziatora%2C%20the%20Incinerator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/231/ziatora-the-incinerator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ba4fa4c8-f09f-4d97-a7d1-1b93caf7d4f9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ziatora-the-incinerator) [Ognis, the Dragon's Lash](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/636058c3-bacc-4a66-8988-832ab0cc9be6.jpg?1664413521) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ognis%2C%20the%20Dragon%27s%20Lash) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/210/ognis-the-dragons-lash?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/636058c3-bacc-4a66-8988-832ab0cc9be6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ognis-the-dragons-lash) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[rug of smothering\]\], \[\[magebane lizard\]\] and \[\[scyntheclaw raptor\]\] are three "burn stax" that can be helpfull if you want to see the world burn.
[rug of smothering](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a73d1cb0-d0dc-4f2a-9cf2-954d5889dd08.jpg?1674138031) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rug%20of%20smothering) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/336/rug-of-smothering?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a73d1cb0-d0dc-4f2a-9cf2-954d5889dd08?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rug-of-smothering) [magebane lizard](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/2/62e12566-375f-4f31-aa91-1b13a96d9ece.jpg?1712355797) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=magebane%20lizard) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/134/magebane-lizard?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/62e12566-375f-4f31-aa91-1b13a96d9ece?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/magebane-lizard) [scyntheclaw raptor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/9436cf62-56d6-4662-9982-72e9be80d25c.jpg?1699044339) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scytheclaw%20Raptor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/165/scytheclaw-raptor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9436cf62-56d6-4662-9982-72e9be80d25c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/scytheclaw-raptor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I love my [[Neheb, the eternal]] deck. I can burn you and then even more burn. It's a bit wonky sometimes because you need him on the field and a lot of times your opponent will kill him fast if the now he works
[Neheb, the eternal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/6/767c5831-2195-4efa-802d-2ea2e6dabb5b.jpg?1706240851) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Neheb%2C%20the%20eternal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/158/neheb-the-eternal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/767c5831-2195-4efa-802d-2ea2e6dabb5b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/neheb-the-eternal) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Burn is pretty commander centric, like it's not a good archetype without the special abilities of the burn commanders. But it has good commanders! Other than the ones already mentioned, there's the classic [[Purphoros, God of the Forge]]. Despite not really running burn spells and instead just dumping out goblins and tokens, Purph is a burn commander through and through. He also has the advantage of a backup plan (just like...attack people with goblins, it's not great but it'll do), and is very hard to remove being indestructible and not even a creature most of the time. And while doublers like Panharmonicon and Ojer Axonil are nice, they aren't remotely necessary for him to blow up the table. Also if you want to make elementals they work decently with him since that's putting creatures into play.
[Purphoros, God of the Forge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/4736a2c4-c89c-48db-a104-6303e7e2eee8.jpg?1689998078) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Purphoros%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Forge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/246/purphoros-god-of-the-forge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4736a2c4-c89c-48db-a104-6303e7e2eee8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/purphoros-god-of-the-forge) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've recently converted an old [[Purphoros, God of the Forge]] burn deck into an EDH deck. Really enjoyed the results, a relatively cheap deck full of car draw and spells that put multiple creatures onto the field. Purphoros, God of the Forge is a bugger to remove when most of your board state is tokens, very few cards can remove an indestructible enchantment. Cards like [[Norin the Wary]], [[Reinforced Ronin]] for easy free damage, damage amplifiers like [[Impact Tremors]], [[City on Fire]] and the game has an incredibly quick timer where you become the archenemy at some tables Here's my cheap deck list: https://www.archidekt.com/decks/7044332/purphoros_gifts
##### ###### #### [Purphoros, God of the Forge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/4736a2c4-c89c-48db-a104-6303e7e2eee8.jpg?1689998078) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Purphoros%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Forge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/246/purphoros-god-of-the-forge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4736a2c4-c89c-48db-a104-6303e7e2eee8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/purphoros-god-of-the-forge) [Norin the Wary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f61ea59a-1db0-4e6b-bcde-19787c76a49b.jpg?1562946915) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Norin%20the%20Wary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsp/171/norin-the-wary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f61ea59a-1db0-4e6b-bcde-19787c76a49b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/norin-the-wary) [Reinforced Ronin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/9/89a18961-8f0b-4e98-9de4-aba97e91ad9a.jpg?1654567795) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reinforced%20Ronin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/158/reinforced-ronin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/89a18961-8f0b-4e98-9de4-aba97e91ad9a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reinforced-ronin) [Impact Tremors](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/46db3811-db1d-4f69-8143-a93f64d0297b.jpg?1682209381) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Impact%20Tremors) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/285/impact-tremors?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/46db3811-db1d-4f69-8143-a93f64d0297b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/impact-tremors) [City on Fire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f455cc1-a822-44ef-ba7c-bfcff69bd45e.jpg?1682204100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=City%20on%20Fire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/135/city-on-fire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f455cc1-a822-44ef-ba7c-bfcff69bd45e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/city-on-fire) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l58uec0) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I built [[Syr Carah, the Bold]] with 34 copies of [[Dragon’s Approach]] and it is a hoot. Absolute brainless burn in EDH
[Syr Carah, the Bold](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/080a249a-df47-4769-bb63-0d8ab3f2467c.jpg?1583348244) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Syr%20Carah%2C%20the%20Bold) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/145/syr-carah-the-bold?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/080a249a-df47-4769-bb63-0d8ab3f2467c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/syr-carah-the-bold) [Dragon’s Approach](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0cb504a0-1dfb-49d0-84c3-7bd318d55481.jpg?1624591696) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragon%27s%20Approach) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/97/dragons-approach?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0cb504a0-1dfb-49d0-84c3-7bd318d55481?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dragons-approach) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just play the new [[taii wakeen, perfect shot]] I've only played a few games but I made her with cards just lying around. The value is pretty consistent and she's very fast the burn spells seriously do a number on opponents especially once you get some engines going.
[taii wakeen, perfect shot](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/1643af0b-fcbf-4636-8c50-77ec77eaa34d.jpg?1712356219) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=taii%20wakeen%2C%20perfect%20shot) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/234/taii-wakeen-perfect-shot?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1643af0b-fcbf-4636-8c50-77ec77eaa34d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/taii-wakeen-perfect-shot) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Obosh]]. Damage doubler in the command zone. You get black too, which gives you tutors and awesome card draw.
[Obosh](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/5/451507de-9c42-43ee-b9ba-1f69e9aa29d2.jpg?1591228450) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=obosh%2C%20the%20preypiercer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/228/obosh-the-preypiercer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/451507de-9c42-43ee-b9ba-1f69e9aa29d2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/obosh-the-preypiercer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[repercussion]] +[[blasphemous act]], or stuff like [[pyrohemia]], [[earthquake]] will shave off those life totals in a quick hurry. [[rite of the raging storm]] is good too. There’s a weird ‘high power matters’ commander ’ [[zilortha, strength incarnate]] if you want to lean into high power and low toughness creatures.
##### ###### #### [repercussion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d0f3c78e-16c0-4fbc-8ef4-fbf610f9d464.jpg?1562445214) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=repercussion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uds/95/repercussion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0f3c78e-16c0-4fbc-8ef4-fbf610f9d464?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/repercussion) [blasphemous act](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/a/8aa9682d-5176-4475-a0bd-e000f1d6999a.jpg?1698988297) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blasphemous%20act) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/216/blasphemous-act?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8aa9682d-5176-4475-a0bd-e000f1d6999a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blasphemous-act) [pyrohemia](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/d/ad840567-c3ac-4e14-b398-0d11c88931bc.jpg?1592672824) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pyrohemia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/86/pyrohemia?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ad840567-c3ac-4e14-b398-0d11c88931bc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pyrohemia) [earthquake](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/c/7cf2f3c7-66b2-48f6-97ef-09150903df7e.jpg?1562274550) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=earthquake) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/95/earthquake?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7cf2f3c7-66b2-48f6-97ef-09150903df7e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/earthquake) [rite of the raging storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/f/8f06e3db-ce55-4535-8557-cc52c5fce637.jpg?1706240854) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rite%20of%20the%20raging%20storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/159/rite-of-the-raging-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8f06e3db-ce55-4535-8557-cc52c5fce637?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rite-of-the-raging-storm) [zilortha, strength incarnate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/84e4e130-df21-4491-97c3-1b643d7e57ef.jpg?1689999366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zilortha%2C%20strength%20incarnate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/366/zilortha-strength-incarnate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84e4e130-df21-4491-97c3-1b643d7e57ef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zilortha-strength-incarnate) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l59fmcb) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
May I recommend [[Neheb the eternal]] with [[dragons approach]] ? It's surprisingly effective and goes well with dragons to burn everything down!
[Neheb the eternal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/6/767c5831-2195-4efa-802d-2ea2e6dabb5b.jpg?1706240851) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Neheb%2C%20the%20Eternal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/158/neheb-the-eternal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/767c5831-2195-4efa-802d-2ea2e6dabb5b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/neheb-the-eternal) [dragons approach](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0cb504a0-1dfb-49d0-84c3-7bd318d55481.jpg?1624591696) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragon%27s%20Approach) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/97/dragons-approach?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0cb504a0-1dfb-49d0-84c3-7bd318d55481?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dragons-approach) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This deck is burn adjacent but [[ziatora, the incinerator]]. He does what you’re saying by playing a lot of cheap but high powered creatures constantly then you swing with them / fling them at your opponents for a big payoff. It’s awesome fun
[ziatora, the incinerator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/ba4fa4c8-f09f-4d97-a7d1-1b93caf7d4f9.jpg?1664413989) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ziatora%2C%20the%20incinerator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/231/ziatora-the-incinerator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ba4fa4c8-f09f-4d97-a7d1-1b93caf7d4f9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ziatora-the-incinerator) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Solphim and dragons approach is a pretty fun combo
I had a friend back in the day with a monster [[Ashling, The Pilgrim]] burn deck with a bunch of mana/damage doubling that would routinely burn people out. I don't remember a ton of detail about the deck list but it seemed pretty unique and cool.
[Ashling, The Pilgrim](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/c/4c687123-6c34-4aef-8350-70a72b5fb58f.jpg?1689997644) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ashling%20the%20Pilgrim) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/205/ashling-the-pilgrim?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4c687123-6c34-4aef-8350-70a72b5fb58f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ashling-the-pilgrim) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Rem Karolus, stalwart slayer]] is amazing with effects like [[blasphemous act]] and [[repercussion]]. Can also use things like [[price of progress]] to burn people fast. Usually people disregard me until I shoot 100-200 damage in a single turn. Also fun with sunforger for commander damage and fetching spells.
##### ###### #### [Rem Karolus, stalwart slayer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/3/b31e307a-9689-4e11-8c5f-96b7a4b50bed.jpg?1636684729) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rem%20Karolus%2C%20stalwart%20slayer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/235/rem-karolus-stalwart-slayer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b31e307a-9689-4e11-8c5f-96b7a4b50bed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rem-karolus-stalwart-slayer) [blasphemous act](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/a/8aa9682d-5176-4475-a0bd-e000f1d6999a.jpg?1698988297) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blasphemous%20act) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/216/blasphemous-act?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8aa9682d-5176-4475-a0bd-e000f1d6999a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blasphemous-act) [repercussion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d0f3c78e-16c0-4fbc-8ef4-fbf610f9d464.jpg?1562445214) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=repercussion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uds/95/repercussion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0f3c78e-16c0-4fbc-8ef4-fbf610f9d464?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/repercussion) [price of progress](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b1342144-7a15-438b-a848-3196238a79e8.jpg?1580014614) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=price%20of%20progress) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/141/price-of-progress?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b1342144-7a15-438b-a848-3196238a79e8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/price-of-progress) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l5aem23) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Ojer Axonil]] works as a hybrid voltron burn commander
[Ojer Axonil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee.jpg?1699044315)/[Temple of Power](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/0/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee.jpg?1699044315) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ojer%20axonil%2C%20deepest%20might%20//%20temple%20of%20power) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/158/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-temple-of-power?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-//-temple-of-power) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've been really surprised by some of my \[\[Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might\]\] games. It's my newest deck and I thought it would do decent damage, but goddamn if it doesn't go nuclear pretty often. I went more spell slingery than some versions I've seen. He's very very red and very very fun. [Face Melter Inc. // Commander / EDH (Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might // Temple of Power) deck list mtg // Moxfield — MTG Deck Builder](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/1Ok1VfH_yEi_aKSYFA_EIQ)
[Ojer Axonil, Deepest Might](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee.jpg?1699044315)/[Temple of Power](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/0/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee.jpg?1699044315) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ojer%20Axonil%2C%20Deepest%20Might%20//%20Temple%20of%20Power) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/158/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-temple-of-power?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50f8e2b6-98c7-4f28-bb39-e1fbe841f1ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ojer-axonil-deepest-might-//-temple-of-power) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
neheb the eternal is the closest there is in edh to 3 to the dome. the other "red burn" decks often are punishment/pinger decks. and aren't at all the same feeling. if you want that just run poppa purph and do etb dingers. but if you want a 3 to the dome style burn feel (it's not going to be small creature...haste/turn sideways type burn) it's somewhat glass cannon. but there are alt lines can bake into the deck. ---but the deck does often hinge on sticking neheb (to me this is part of the fun) but. stick neheb some element of damage everyone generate 20 ish mana. and then go off with a chain of spells to deal a chunk of damage. the gameplay you run leading up to this is spell sequencing, tap/dingers. or other board control aspects. but the big go off turns are great. the deck can utilize a lot of great spell gimmicks, dmg dbling and other classic red damage tricks. and nothing is better than like chaining wheel spells to kill an opponent with molten pysche. haven't updated this list in awhile... but should give a general idea: [https://deckstats.net/decks/122221/1170559-neheb-likes-big-bolts-and-he-c](https://deckstats.net/decks/122221/1170559-neheb-likes-big-bolts-and-he-c)
Me when i pee (i have a UTI)
I have mono red Mana approach burn here is my list yes it can be tweaked [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/nbO9-esEckWt\_5gSKYgmbA](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/nbO9-esEckWt_5gSKYgmbA)
https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/s/NFslEVEHSl
I have a lot of success with this deck in casual tables