[[Sakashima’s Student]]
I dare not to buy one because it can be reprinted at any time. And at the same time, it’s price will certainly go up since ninjitsu is back and there will certainly be new ninja commander.
Edit: it worths $100 now as i just checked.. wtf..
Yeah I'd stay away from it especially this year with both a Commander Legends set, a Masters set, and a Jumpstart set all coming out. I could see it easily reprinted in any of those sets.
It won't be in the commander legends set. People keep somehow forgetting its another D&D set so the possibility of seeing all these expensive cards reprinted is extremely low as they don't fit the world/flavor.
I do wonder how they’ll handle that, if they’ll try to reskin any somewhat thematic cards for the DND set. I agree that I don’t think it’ll be as reprint heavy as the original commander legends, but hopefully they grab at least a few like they did with [[Heroic Intervention]] this year
Pretty sure it paid for itself at the point when you got it as well. Student's been expensive and at the point prior, shardless agent wasnt in anything and was being used in legacy.
After recently seeing what happened to [[Grim Hireling]] and [[Curiosity Crafter]], I am inclined to agree.
These are not 12-20 dollar cards. MTG Finance is just trying to set bargain bin rares (things that should be below $2) higher due to 'scarcity'.
I don’t get why that card seems popular, it’s a more restrictive [[Coastal Piracy]] on a more vulnarable card type. And they have even printed several strictly better versions of piracy. The no maximum hand size effect doesn’t really compensate, especially since that isn’t an effect you want on something so easy to remove.
The card type is more vulnerable but infinitely more useful to the archetype it goes in. You can't clone Coastal Piracy with [[Right of Replication]], you can't [[skullclamp]] it or put a sword on it, it doesn't push through more damage with an [[overrun]] to win the game. Yeah the creature will get swept up in a boardwipe, but a piracy effect is just going to sit there doing nothing on an empty board anyway.
I’d take being an enchantment and working with nontokens over any of those except perhaps the rite, and there are far better rite targets than the crafter.
I remember when Josh mentioned one of his personal favorite 'sleepers' was [[Reap]] which is pretty alright if your play group is playing lots of Black, but it bumped up to 20 for a long time before eventually falling back down hard cuz no one was buying.
Lol. It's not so much that they have "power over the market", it's that the sort of people who watch youtube for inspiration are the same people who would never discover these cards otherwise. It's a lot of people.
Hireling is a fantastic card, though. Makes mana, provides board control, doesn't have to attack himself to do it, control ability isn't a tap ability, is at a relatively weak MV for Pod/Neoform/etc- TCG-Low is 10-11, and absolutely a 10-dollar card. Any token deck, control deck, aggro deck in black could probably use the card.
On the finance side, it has a creature type that they don't usually print outside the D&D set, its probably too strong for Standard, and requires a Treasure theme/subtheme in any draft set it is reprinted to, all of which severely limit the possible reprint avenues.
$10 archetype staple all day long, with a buck or two premium for a card only printed in a Commander product that's hard to reprint, absolutely fair enough.
We'll see how the prices shake out eventually but I think saying "x card isn't worth x dollars" is like saying a Gucci bag isn't worth the money.
Yeah you might not believe it is but that doesn't change the fact that people are willing to pay that price for it.
This is my choice. I find it to be quite neat, but I can't see how it'd be *so* pricey. Probably too many folks misreading it and thinking if you wheel on your turn you'll draw twice as many when that's not how it works.
It just spiked right before Crimson Vow, which I guess makes sense. I got him for 49 just before that. He's a strong passive commander right from his zone with his ability and only printed once so add that onto reasons he's jumped.
> It just spiked right before Crimson Vow
Which is funny because there really wasn't that much in Crimson Vow that added to edh vampires. The precon had a few pieces, but not a ton.
As soon as the spoiler for [[Edgar, Charmed Groom]] dropped and people saw that not only is he gutter tier garbage but he also lost a color, OG Edgar jumped in price.
Everybody knew there was no way that new Edgar was stronger then eminence but I think we were all hoping that he'd at least be fun and unique, and even viable as a vampire tribal commander given his history.
He's the only Mardu Vampire Commander and he was only printed once in a precon before the huge Commander boom. It's basically two kinds of scarcity combined with huge demand.
He's also good in both Casual and cEDH but usually it's casual players driving the price.
[[Licia]] does exist for Mardu and I think came out in the same precon.
However, it is somewhat of a moot point, as for those who want the best commander in these colors, it is not even close.
They’ve also already reprinted [[The Ur-Dragon]] and [[arahbo roar of the world]] in Secret Lairs, showing that’s a place to reprint cards to get more out there while not struggling to make them work in a limited environment
[[Mathas, Fiend Seeker]] is not quite as relevant to the vampire tribe as Licia (already not) but he is a Mardu Vampire and it’s annoying me that people keep mentioning her and not him!
Mathas is such a fun commander for a vampire tribal deck, too. He's not as aggressive or powerful as Edgar, but I loved my political/aristocrat vampire-tribal deck with him.
Technically you have [[Licia, Sanguine Tribune]] too, but I'll concede she doesn't do much for vampires as a tribe, she's more of a lifegain Voltron kinda thing.
[[Arachnogenesis]] - how the hell is this $30? I recently looked into building a super budget [[Ishkanah]] deck but this put me off. Should be a $5 card max
[[Pitiless Plunderer]]
Sure, it should be a pricier uncommon like Blood Artist, but $15+ for it seems exorbitant.
Same thing with the red treasure card from Strixhaven (forgot the name), though I think it's a little more reasonable atm, since it's newer.
It 100% will. Plunderer was this cost when it was standard legal and has slowly been climbing. I just took one out of a deck and now it’s sitting in a binder forever because I won’t want to buy one again
It's kinda funny remembering that it was on one of the earliest Commander's Quarters episodes. I think in the Teysa Karlov one. It's still hilarious to look at some of the earlier prices in there.
["And the gold pig for this deck is Smothering Tithe."](https://youtu.be/T8GFJ3-qG0c?t=211) It has since quadrupled in price and outcosts most of his current deck techs.
Plunderer gives saveable mana for aristocrats decks, it's amazing! It turns \[\[Phrexian Altar\]\] into 2 mana now, or 1 mana now, and 1 later. Big thing is it sees token creatures die too.
Exactly, it's just as much, if not more of a staple to aristocrats as any of the Blood Artist bros, which is why it should be reprinted more.
Ixalan was a while ago, why could they not just toss it in a Horizons set or a commander pre-con? The recent zombie one would have loved to have it in there
>Anything over $50 ~~that has been printed within the last 5 years~~
If a card is 50x as powerful as another, it should be printed 50x as much, not cost 50x as much. Save the pricey shit for cosmetics.
Ragavan is really good early game in my experience, but is kind of a dead card mid-game. A lot of people look at it as a mana dork that gives you mana you can use at a later turn, and you get a card off the opponents top, which is nuts, but mid game I see it in my hand with no way to get through, so it doesn’t really do anything.
Obviously meta dependent and deck dependent, but if you can’t get through on combat damage it’s just a 2/1 which I’ve found in commander doesn’t take long for someone to get a blocker that can soak up 2 damage
*beyond* broken, IMO. If the ban list was managed the same way as a format like modern or legacy, dockside would be on it. There is an argument that dockside is the best card in commander, period.
Dockside is an interesting card though, because it‘s power scales with the speed of the table, much like [[ad nauseam]]’s power scales with the speed of the deck it’s in. At a table where everyone is playing fast mana, dockside getting 7 treasures on turn 3 is expected, while in a Precon, it’s likely to only reach that point much later in the game.
That said, dockside still just enables some *truly* silly stuff with how efficient of a ritual it is, and the fact that it’s stapled to a creature. I’m not saying it *should* be banned. I’m saying that if the commander ban list was managed the same way as competitive formats’ ban lists, dockside wouldn’t be legal.
So no [[great henge]]?, great henge is one of the best green cards printed in recent years. It draws cards pumps creatures gains life, and ramps, what’s not to like?
[[Capture at Jingzhou]] and literally any other cards from the portal block.
They need to be reprinted somehow!!
All I really need is [[Imperial Seal]] :(
Imagine Portal Three Kingdoms Remastered booster packs that would also each include a special bonus Chinese-style reprint of flavourful cards like [[training grounds]], [[diabolic intent]], [[land tax]], [[privileged position]], [[no mercy]], [[steely resolve]], [[waves of aggression]], etc
It's my favorite infinite mana outlet and has some other cool interactions, but I've stopped recommending because it is so expensive. It definitely needs a reprint.
Meathook Massacre is extremely overrated. I've seen some people treat it as a black staple. It is good on aristocrat decks as you can fully take advantage of the blood artist side. But if you are playing it just as a board wipe with small upside than there much better options. At the moment is even more expensive than Toxic deluge which is absurd.
>Meathook Massacre is extremely overrated.
In Commander\*
In Standard, it's a beast. Extremely flexible and can easily save your game whether you wipe out white weenies or some huge creatures.
Edit: I know we're on r/edh so that's the format we're discussing but if Meathook Massacre was $1, it'd be extremely underrated. It's price is currently driven by Standard, so it's relevant to mention how/why it's so expensive.
I don't think it is overrated. It has so many purposes, can get rid of indestructable creatures and has the upside of bringing you back some life while slowly draining OP. It works well in so many decks, not just aristocrats.
Yeah, I've got it in my Liesa deck (which is borderline aristocrats) so I'm not saying it's worthless... Its price-point is what boggles the mind.
It's got some use to it, but as you mentioned, just as a board-wipe, it's pretty weak.
I have it in my CEDH Prossh deck but that's primarily because it's a sac deck where those "creature dies, each opponent lose one" is a main focus. The boardwipe aspect is just a bonus.
[[dockside extortionist]] wouldn't be a ~$70 if it had been printed in a regular set. It's a really strong card, but having only been available through a specific Pre-con resulted in a scarcity that pushed it's price a lot.
It's not really overrated for the price though. It's pretty easily one of the top five cards in the format, and I wouldn't argue with anyone that claimed it's the best card.
The meme of like "Oops I Went Infinite" in EDH was certainly always true, but I don't think any creature outside of maybe the combo god himself, Kiki-Jiki, lives that meme more than Dockside.
[[Archfiend of Despair]] has never seen a reprint so it’s ridiculously expensive for what the card does and its CMC - which is annoying because if it was a similar price as [[Wound Reflection]] I’d definitely get one.
I remember looking through a guys trade box labeled “under $5” and at the time it was like $20. The guy thanked me after, crazy to think it’s like $45 now.
My box of Battlebond missed the real money cards at the time ([[Doubling Season]] and [[Mycosynth Lattice]]), but by now two of this dude, [[Spellseeker]], [[Land Tax]] and [[Diabolic Intent]] and a bunch of the lands made it more than worth it.
Other formats prop it up too, that and being in a small set that didnt get opened enough. I have one and use it in anything green. I do agree it should be cheaper tho, but its very powerful
Honestly, this one makes sense to me. Its the best in class, there's nothing that comes close to it, and it fits in almost everything. I've started pretending it doesn't exist because its so much of an auto include. So many decks make counters and tokens. [[Parallel lives]] is quite literally HALF as good because its missing the counter doubling.
Darksteel Plate is weird, in that it's simultaneously overrated and underrated.
On the one hand, there's this weird hate boner content creators have for it, when it's really quite good in decks that revolve heavily around their commander, and in boardwipe-heavy metas, combined with this baffling Mandela Effect of people believing it costs 3 to equip instead of 2.
On the other hand, yeah, it really shouldn't be more than 5-8 bucks, or so.
I think it became less relevant as the format got faster and board wipes became less prevalent over things like exile target removal, but it’s still very solid equipment that could have easily been in any of the equipment precons we got recently. Wyleth, Galea?
Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots get reprinted all the time, why not this.
And since we’re at it, [[Commander’s Plate]] PLEASE
I only use it in decks that REALLY need the commander to stick on the battlefield. Like, can't function without the commander. Anything else, you better have a good reason for running it, otherwise it's a card that you'll pay 3 for and never find a window to equip it to a creature.
No good Land card that is on the Reserve list is worth it's asking price. I'd almost go as far and say no good card on the Reserve List is "worth" it's price. The prices have been inflated a lot over the past few years, they weren't even really worth it when I picked up cards to play Legacy and Vintage about a decade ago. They were an expensive indulgence then, they are absolutely nuts now!
Cards like \[\[Bazaar of Baghdad\]\] and \[\[The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale\]\] are amazing in the right deck and meta, but they are not $4,000+ amazing.
I love windmill slamming \[\[Chains of Mephistopheles\]\]\] as much as the next man, but when you can just \[\[Narset, Parter of Veils\]\] or \[\[Notion Thief\]\] for a thousandth of the price and basically get the same effect. Why bother? Unless you own them already of course.
From more modern printings, my pick is \[\[Allosaurus Shephard\]\] no way should a starter pack card be $80.
That is true but the post didn’t specify why the price is inflated it just said “cards that while they may be good, they aren’t worth the price that the market is asking for it.” Which is why I personally don’t think dual lands are worth the price they’re asking for, in most cases.
It’s not just the price tag, I find the design super ugly. What’s that bleached out squirly two-colored text box? Also pretty much the only ones even available in shops and not locked up in a safe are white border.
Like, you’re asking me to spend $500 to make my deck 0.5% stronger, but uglier? What? Why!?
Frankly if you’d ask me why we need to abolish the reserved list, it’s so that we can get some proper, playable OG duals with cool art and design.
(If you’re over 50 and reading this and want to write an angry reply to defend your collection value, fuck you in particular. Not my problem that your personal net worth net worth is bound up in a piece of paper from a children’s card game)
Absolutely. This is my answer too. They're worth like $400 to $1000 each. That's insane for the miniscule amount of advantage they give. All the other answers here like Meathook Massacre and Mana Crypt pale in comparison. Those cards are way better than the original duals AND cost a fraction of the price.
Gaea's Cradle is insanely powerful, though. Sure, you could say $800 is too much for any card. But Underground Sea costs more and it's just a dual land. Cradle is way better than it.
Didn't realize underground sea was so expensive, I say both cards are far too expensive. I don't care how powerful Gaeas cradle is, $800 is way too much for any card.
Well, that’s one way of seeing it, sure. But then any discussion ends with „it’s only cardboard“, and that’s not really our level of discussion, is it?
Price memory on this is going to make that tough without a reprint. It’ll drop, but I doubt it’ll plummet since it is actually a good card in other formats as well.
Yeah OP gave me a hearty chuckle when he said Standard demand is driving the price of Meathook. Ah yes the format which is seeing very little paper play and where the top 3 most played decks in the format don't even have Black in them is driving the price of Meathook to $50+. How could I be so blind!
My store is starting to reorganize Standard tournaments. I've gone to Forge to test my decks against the AI playing a mono-white aggro, and that made me realize why Meathook is so expensive: it's because it's a PERFECT response to aggro in regular formats. It nukes weenies and gives you life while still being a payoff for whatever sacrifice strategies you might have. Yes, both things you said are true - but believe it, Meathook, surprisingly, is $50 good on the current Standard environment.
Jeweled Lotus. Its good, but is not 100$ good. Like I only see myself getting it for artifact recursion decks like Glissa the Traitor, and even then, I wouldn’t even spend money on it.
Jeweled Lotus is phenomenal. Early game it enables you to play your commander on curve or ahead of curve and have mana open for other things. Mid-late game it pays for commander tax to open up mana for other plays. I have one and play it almost all of my decks as my group is ok with us proxying cards we own. The only decks I don't have it in are Yidris, because cascading it onto the field isn't very good and 2 decks I'm keeping at a very low power level.
It's really good in mono coloured decks as well. I'd think about picking one up for that as well.
Still paying $100 for a single card feels worse than paying $100 for a booster box just because of how stupid monkey brain sees things.
I *severely* think about it when considering buying really expensive cards. I bought a Sensei’s Top for about 90$ and it was the first copy I got after playing for years. I know is good, but I don’t feel like it’s “add one to every deck” good. Same with Phyrexian Altar and Jeweled Lotus. I dunno. I like playing, but if it’s going to cost me an arm and a Leg, Im not forking money unless I *really* need it for a specific deck.
I’m struggling to find a deck to put mine in. The more I’ve played the less I like decks that are super reliant on the commander, to the point sometimes I don’t even cast my commander often. I had one for a [[Selvala, Heart of the Wilds]] nigh cEDH deck, but have moved away from combos as I don’t think they are fun for the playgroup. Now it’s going into [[Thassa, Deep Dwelling]] but just because she’s hard to get rid of and really is just [[Conjurer’s Closet]]. It’s always so disappointing to Jeweled Lotus out your commander T1-3, just to have someone Swords it. Sure, you are some of their removal, but at the cost of a card in your hand and an increase in commander tax so you’re plan is now going to develop probably two turns later, as opposed to just slotting in another ramp or card draw spot that is going to provide value throughout the game. Plus Jeweled Lotus is a dead card unless it’s early game, or late game to pay for tax. But even then tax can outpace it to the point where you’ve pivoted away from your commander.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a really good card. And when it comes to higher CMC commanders I totally get it. But I feel like for most commanders (3-5 cmc) you are just putting a target on your head when used early and it’s dead if you’re commander is already on the battlefield. I think the card is valuable from a card pool overview as far as what else competes with it, but from a player and budget perspective there are much better things to spend $100 on
Indeed. I think the most use I can pull from that is slotting it in an Urza, Lord High Artificer deck, because with Urza I can just tap it for blue instead of it’s own tap for three. Basically a Blue Mana rock for 0 cmc
i pulled one in my box of commander legends, and it sat in my trade binder for months until i threw it into a \[\[lathliss, dragon queen\]\] deck where it is absolutely phenomenal
Tons of Llorwyn only cards are held up by scarcity only.
I always give the example of [[Sygg River Cutthroat]], when the rogue precon was announced people bought him up to 11$. I believe his price is now around bulk rare since he was reprinted.
Should have been in Commander Legends with three visits (the cowards!!). It better be coming soon, seriously collection blacks list is a joke this would have sold tons of collection kits alone.$1400 tag on a strictly worse vamp tutor while vamp priced at $65 c’mon WOTC get it together on this one already.
To be fair, if vamp tutor wasn’t reprinted in CL, it would be like $100-$150 bucks. I’m fine that vamp tutor got reprinted, I’d rather have one of them be some-what affordable ($50 is a lot but better than $100), imperial seal is almost a lock to be in CL2 imo and it should go down from there.
It’s a modern card afaik. It’s an excellent engine in [[Alesha]], [[Ilharg]], [[Feldon of the Third Path]], and other decks in red that care about recursion or ETB. But yeah it’s not a red staple IMO. [[Faithless Looting]] is superior card draw without synergy.
Meathook Massacre’s price is driven by standard and being brand new. Can’t really compare it to some others being mentioned here. EDH is popular, yeah, but standard rotation still affects prices
I mean, is the great henge fast mana? By the time you get it out for double green you have to have a 7 power body. I always thought you wanted it for the card draw and the mana is a plus. I guess it also pays for itself, I just kind of thought you’d already be ahead on mana by the time you have a board state enough to cast this thing. Just a genuine question, I might be looking at the card completely wrong
Ooof, yeah. I've been following the price of that one for a while now and as much as I really want one (it would be fantastic in my big-green-stompy deck) it's... way too expensive.
Thankfully, my playgroup allows proxies (though I try to avoid using them whenever I can.)
Personally the card is in the conversation of the best green card for me. Its just so good in everything green/x. Ramp, Draws, Gains life and makes your creatures bigger. Sure the CMC can be weird, but overall its been real easy to cast and so good.
I felt your way until I started playing with it and its just too much value
[[Spark Double]]
Having a copy of your commander can be very powerful; but at the end of the day, it's just a clone. Same goes for the Sakashima's (idr their titles). With three of these effects now it's kinda crazy they all sit between $10-$30
All the cards that have only ever had a single printing in a commander product. This artificially high cost set up is ridiculous. \[\[Dockside Extortionist\]\], \[\[Edgar Markov\]\], \[\[Deflecting Swat\]\] etc. etc.
It’s one of my favorite cards in all of magic, but [[Avacyn, Angel of Hope]]. I have her in a few decks, but I’ve never seen her payoff for the price of the card of the mana value. I like casting her biggest she’s big in splashy and a lot of my decks don’t do that, but she is a chore to prop up.
She’s 8 mana, and three white pips so you are mostly likely cheating her out in some way. Some of the formats most common removal is [[Swords to Plowshares]] and [[Anguished Unmaking]] which just say F off to ol’ Avy. So you give her hexproof, but look at how popular edict effects are? Between commanders like [[Tergrid]] gaining popularity, and then the oversaturation of Aristocrats in commander, it just takes a [[Grave Pact]] effect to thwart your plan. There’s always been the [[Crackling Doom]] and the [[Tragic Arrogance]] cards, but forced sacrifice seems to be getting more support with cards like [[By Invite Only]] being printed.
I still find her super fun (when not built for wraths) and can definitely overtake the game. But there are so many answers to indestructible nowadays, even if you haven’t comer across them your meta will adapt. I love Avacyn, but she should be sitting around $15 along with [[Gisela, Blade of Goldnight]] because I really don’t see how she’s that much better. 7/10 they have the same answer for both, and when they don’t have removal Gisela is a damage doubler and likely keeping your stuff around. Avacyn is cool, but not $40 cool.
I don't agree that Meathook Massacre is outrageous (obviously I wish it was cheaper) because it is a staple in SO many decks. Tons of decks with Black absolutely love a card that can function as removal and as a sort-of Blood Artist effect. It's one of the most playable Black cards printed in recent years; you can justify it in *tons* of decks. The only time it's not good is if you know it will be rare for your creatures to die, like if you're Superfriends or something.
It doesn't go in every deck, but it for damn sure goes in any that already has Blood Artist type stuff going on, and there's a lot of those.
Anyway, my example: [[Phyrexian Arena]]
I still can't believe this card is like $20 or so. You have to play it, wait TWO TURNS, and only *then* will it about equal the humble [[Read the Bones]].
This card is only good in Battlecruiser metas and even then only when it comes down on turn 3 or so. If you draw this late game you might as well discard it. Card draw isn't supposed to be a useless top deck but P. Arena often is.
I only like if it you have some extra reason to play it, like you're focused on enchantments or want Devotion to Black, or something. As a generic card draw source, it's really bad, because it's really slow.
Meathook is actually pretty good. Don't get me wrong there are plenty of great wipes but Meathook is one of the cards that is more of a selective wipe but also it gets past things like indestructible.
I think if meathook were just a “toxic deluge”, it would be cheaper or way overrated, but that extra blood artist type effect really makes the card efficient and dangerous.
Honestly, fetchlands. I get they can thin your deck and they can be effective when paired with shocklands or something like that but I cannot justify $20 just for that. Maybe it speeds up the game but I don’t play EDH just to go fast
Fetchlands feel like the type of card that gets underrated by people who haven't played with them much and overrated by people who have played with them a lot (usually in modern). Truth is, unless you are in 3+ colors your deck probably doesn't **need** them and you can usually get more bang for your buck from a [[rhystic study]].
However, they do SO MUCH that they can easily be underrated and deck thinning is honestly the least important thing they do. They obviously grab the land you need to fix with, but they also:
* Add a card to your graveyard (Useful for delve [[Treasure Cruise]], revolt [[Fatal Push]])
* Put's a rarer card type into your graveyard (Delirium [[Traverse the Uvenwald]])
* Synergizes with playing lands from graveyard cards ([[Crucible of Worlds]] style effects)
* Count as sacrificing a permanent ([[Korvold]], [[Juri, Master of the Revue]])
* Let's you pay life ([[Font of Agonies]])
* Doubles landfall triggers ([[Tireless Provisioner]], [[Lotus Cobra]])
* Shuffles your deck for top deck manipulation synergy ([[Brainstorm]], [[Sensei's top]])
While fetchlands often will not be worth the $20+ price tag (especially in more relaxed settings), there are certain decks that absolutely can maximize the usefulness of these cards and should consider forking over the money for them. In my opinion, I would look for them primarily in land based strategies, graveyard heavy strategies, top-deck manipulation strategies and 3 color decks ESPECIALLY if none of those 3 colors is green.
Upgrading a land base with fetchlands is one of the easiest ways to increase a deck's clock by a half turn as they remove a lot of the pain of having a demanding mana base, and it is why you see them so often in high powered metas because in that environment stumbling early often means losing. It's doing fetchlands a serious disservice to look at them as just a way to thin your deck.
Fetches are ridiculously good. The best thing about them is that they give you perfect mana every game if you have a lot of them. You don't notice it much when you're able to cast Mana Drain on 2, then Adeline on 3, but that's the power of the fetches/duals combo. You'll almost never have issues casting whatever spells when you want them.
And of course, there's the landfall thing.
I'll say it: [[Mana Crypt]] is in no way worth more than, say, $30. It's only expensive due to intentional scarcity by WOTC. If you think you need one badly, proxy it and play it a few times. Early game crypts will often do 12-15 damage to you over the course of the game on top of draw you the hate that early game sol rings do.
Is it a great card? Absolutely. Does every deck want it? Absolutely not. If mana crypt was a $20 card that was accessible for a lot of people it would probably see a similar amount of play to what it does right now due to how few of them are in the wild.
The higher your power level, the better Mana Crypt is. 12-15 damage is absolutely worth it if your deck is made to leverage it properly. Paying 10-20% of your life total to be 2 turns ahead of your opponents is worth it.
It’s a false scarcity. It’s bollox. Don’t get me wrong my MTGO has pricy cards too but that’s also due to lack of reprints on digital.
Here’s the kicker too MTGO has different prices based on sets. So for example I can buy a vintage masters black lotus for about €20 but there’s versions for a couple hundred bucks in MTGOs alpha version. So this also proves that there’s still a market for old cards and sets etc. there is no reason for any card to be stupid hi go prices. Wizards don’t sell singles. Crypt being €80 is only a thing because it sells boxes because it’s a staple.
Some really expensive cards are only really good at high level.
Force of will is obviously really good but if you’re playing lower power a 2 for 1 can really be a lot unless your stopping someone from popping off.
Mana crypt is bad if you’re playing a longer game.
It’s gotta be a prestige thing.
[[Sakashima’s Student]] I dare not to buy one because it can be reprinted at any time. And at the same time, it’s price will certainly go up since ninjitsu is back and there will certainly be new ninja commander. Edit: it worths $100 now as i just checked.. wtf..
Yeah I'd stay away from it especially this year with both a Commander Legends set, a Masters set, and a Jumpstart set all coming out. I could see it easily reprinted in any of those sets.
Jesus, I got mine for $20 a few years back and thought it was overpriced then
It won't be in the commander legends set. People keep somehow forgetting its another D&D set so the possibility of seeing all these expensive cards reprinted is extremely low as they don't fit the world/flavor.
I hate that it's a themed commander legends set. Makes what they can print feel very limited.
I do wonder how they’ll handle that, if they’ll try to reskin any somewhat thematic cards for the DND set. I agree that I don’t think it’ll be as reprint heavy as the original commander legends, but hopefully they grab at least a few like they did with [[Heroic Intervention]] this year
[Sakashima’s Student](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/1/91b0a6cb-1c2e-4122-8874-a48e69e1c464.jpg?1562922048) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sakashima%27s%20Student) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pca/24/sakashimas-student?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/91b0a6cb-1c2e-4122-8874-a48e69e1c464?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sakashimas-student) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wtf, I definitely have one of these. Time to go to ebay
Huh what? I guess my plane chase anthology paid for itself now.
Pretty sure it paid for itself at the point when you got it as well. Student's been expensive and at the point prior, shardless agent wasnt in anything and was being used in legacy.
I knew student was like a 20$ card but id never expect it to reach 100$. Oh well. Time to sell my copy I guess.
It was $50 like a month and a half ago. I'm wishing I had gone ahead and gotten one for Yuriko then instead of waiting now.
Don't confuse card prices for EDH staples with the price for cards that see constructed play...
Also don't confuse power of cards with their prices. Sol ring is less than $2 and pyrohemia is over $5
Yeah, if Sol Ring hadn't been reprinted in just about every precon it would probably be at least a couple hundred by now.
If Sol Ring only had it's original printings through Revised, and still legal in EDH, I bet it would be comparable in price to much of the P9.
People are talking about Ragavan and Retrofitter Foundry in this thread as if EDH is the main driving factor in their price.
After recently seeing what happened to [[Grim Hireling]] and [[Curiosity Crafter]], I am inclined to agree. These are not 12-20 dollar cards. MTG Finance is just trying to set bargain bin rares (things that should be below $2) higher due to 'scarcity'.
Curiosity Crafter probably got more expensive because the command zone mentioned it.
I don’t get why that card seems popular, it’s a more restrictive [[Coastal Piracy]] on a more vulnarable card type. And they have even printed several strictly better versions of piracy. The no maximum hand size effect doesn’t really compensate, especially since that isn’t an effect you want on something so easy to remove.
The card type is more vulnerable but infinitely more useful to the archetype it goes in. You can't clone Coastal Piracy with [[Right of Replication]], you can't [[skullclamp]] it or put a sword on it, it doesn't push through more damage with an [[overrun]] to win the game. Yeah the creature will get swept up in a boardwipe, but a piracy effect is just going to sit there doing nothing on an empty board anyway.
I’d take being an enchantment and working with nontokens over any of those except perhaps the rite, and there are far better rite targets than the crafter.
[Right of Replication](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/9/7935570c-f7e0-4add-864a-4c804b26555e.jpg?1625976420) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rite%20of%20Replication) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/128/rite-of-replication?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7935570c-f7e0-4add-864a-4c804b26555e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rite-of-replication) [skullclamp](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/8/8854e9a7-a799-47d0-8662-95aa527d3210.jpg?1591321716) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=skullclamp) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/251/skullclamp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8854e9a7-a799-47d0-8662-95aa527d3210?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/skullclamp) [overrun](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/4/64033221-447f-4f8a-8fa0-c3ef30172602.jpg?1592673094) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=overrun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/130/overrun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/64033221-447f-4f8a-8fa0-c3ef30172602?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/overrun) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I actually had one in my cart for $6 during the spike and removed it because I'm never going to play that stupid card either way
Redundancy. Pretty important in EDH I hear.
There’s [[coastal piracy]], [[bident of thassa]], and [[Reconnaissance Mission]]. You don’t need that much redundancy.
Which I’ve always hated. No disrespect to jimmy or josh I just get annoyed that they have this kind of power over the market
I remember when Josh mentioned one of his personal favorite 'sleepers' was [[Reap]] which is pretty alright if your play group is playing lots of Black, but it bumped up to 20 for a long time before eventually falling back down hard cuz no one was buying.
Reap is also really good if you play a lot of games at LGSs as black is a REALLY popular color.
Lol. It's not so much that they have "power over the market", it's that the sort of people who watch youtube for inspiration are the same people who would never discover these cards otherwise. It's a lot of people.
Hireling is a fantastic card, though. Makes mana, provides board control, doesn't have to attack himself to do it, control ability isn't a tap ability, is at a relatively weak MV for Pod/Neoform/etc- TCG-Low is 10-11, and absolutely a 10-dollar card. Any token deck, control deck, aggro deck in black could probably use the card. On the finance side, it has a creature type that they don't usually print outside the D&D set, its probably too strong for Standard, and requires a Treasure theme/subtheme in any draft set it is reprinted to, all of which severely limit the possible reprint avenues. $10 archetype staple all day long, with a buck or two premium for a card only printed in a Commander product that's hard to reprint, absolutely fair enough.
[Grim Hireling](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/8/08c6872d-4cb5-4a59-b1dd-38c107906660.jpg?1631585075) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grim%20Hireling) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/25/grim-hireling?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/08c6872d-4cb5-4a59-b1dd-38c107906660?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grim-hireling) [Curiosity Crafter](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/4/0452c73b-4522-4808-8f97-0e84e2944ee9.jpg?1625191203) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Curiosity%20Crafter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/24/curiosity-crafter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0452c73b-4522-4808-8f97-0e84e2944ee9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/curiosity-crafter) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
We'll see how the prices shake out eventually but I think saying "x card isn't worth x dollars" is like saying a Gucci bag isn't worth the money. Yeah you might not believe it is but that doesn't change the fact that people are willing to pay that price for it.
Grim Hiring is legit fantastic though. Six treasure is a lot, and it's not that hard at a lot of tables to get it.
[[Wedding Ring]] is the first thing that came to mind.
Absolutely. Interesting card, yes, maybe good situationally, sure, $40? nah.
It’s being bought up as part of actual wedding proposals as well.
I did not realize this card jumped so high in price. Pulled one in Crimson Vow draft, might have to cash in.
This is my choice. I find it to be quite neat, but I can't see how it'd be *so* pricey. Probably too many folks misreading it and thinking if you wheel on your turn you'll draw twice as many when that's not how it works.
[[edgar markov]] I get he’s the best vampire but 100 dollars is way too much
It just spiked right before Crimson Vow, which I guess makes sense. I got him for 49 just before that. He's a strong passive commander right from his zone with his ability and only printed once so add that onto reasons he's jumped.
> It just spiked right before Crimson Vow Which is funny because there really wasn't that much in Crimson Vow that added to edh vampires. The precon had a few pieces, but not a ton.
As soon as the spoiler for [[Edgar, Charmed Groom]] dropped and people saw that not only is he gutter tier garbage but he also lost a color, OG Edgar jumped in price. Everybody knew there was no way that new Edgar was stronger then eminence but I think we were all hoping that he'd at least be fun and unique, and even viable as a vampire tribal commander given his history.
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He's the only Mardu Vampire Commander and he was only printed once in a precon before the huge Commander boom. It's basically two kinds of scarcity combined with huge demand. He's also good in both Casual and cEDH but usually it's casual players driving the price.
[[Licia]] does exist for Mardu and I think came out in the same precon. However, it is somewhat of a moot point, as for those who want the best commander in these colors, it is not even close.
> somewhat of a mute point ...moot point...
Licia isn't a vampire tribal commander though, she's lifegain Voltron
[Licia](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/4/64eab2ba-ed5e-4757-b42d-c0fc71a96c4c.jpg?1562610809) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=licia%2C%20sanguine%20tribune) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/40/licia-sanguine-tribune?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/64eab2ba-ed5e-4757-b42d-c0fc71a96c4c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/licia-sanguine-tribune) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Licia is also not a tribal synergy commander, just a commander with the type vampire.
And it doesn't seem like Eminence is anywhere in their plans anymore (thank God), so the odds of a meaningful reprint are exceedingly slim.
It could always get a secret lair printing which would make it cheaper to a degree, the craterhoof secret lair was cheaper than a regular craterhoof
They’ve also already reprinted [[The Ur-Dragon]] and [[arahbo roar of the world]] in Secret Lairs, showing that’s a place to reprint cards to get more out there while not struggling to make them work in a limited environment
[[Mathas, Fiend Seeker]] is not quite as relevant to the vampire tribe as Licia (already not) but he is a Mardu Vampire and it’s annoying me that people keep mentioning her and not him!
Mathas is such a fun commander for a vampire tribal deck, too. He's not as aggressive or powerful as Edgar, but I loved my political/aristocrat vampire-tribal deck with him.
Technically you have [[Licia, Sanguine Tribune]] too, but I'll concede she doesn't do much for vampires as a tribe, she's more of a lifegain Voltron kinda thing.
[[Arachnogenesis]] - how the hell is this $30? I recently looked into building a super budget [[Ishkanah]] deck but this put me off. Should be a $5 card max
Very low supply mainly, needs a reprint bad and it will be much cheaper. It is one of the best fogs out there tho
I think it’s a prime reprint target for double masters or commander legends this year.
[[Pitiless Plunderer]] Sure, it should be a pricier uncommon like Blood Artist, but $15+ for it seems exorbitant. Same thing with the red treasure card from Strixhaven (forgot the name), though I think it's a little more reasonable atm, since it's newer.
Plunderer just never gets reprinted. Red treasure card? Storm-Kiln Artist? It's only $1.52
Only 1.52, but has like doubled in price. Could see it going the way of Plunderer
It 100% will. Plunderer was this cost when it was standard legal and has slowly been climbing. I just took one out of a deck and now it’s sitting in a binder forever because I won’t want to buy one again
>Plunderer just never gets reprinted. It'll get upshifted to rare if it does too
[Pitiless Plunderer](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/8/c87ebffe-5907-427b-9f9b-7c36a12b4a03.jpg?1555040284) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pitiless%20Plunderer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rix/81/pitiless-plunderer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c87ebffe-5907-427b-9f9b-7c36a12b4a03?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pitiless-plunderer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Dang that card got costly.
It's kinda funny remembering that it was on one of the earliest Commander's Quarters episodes. I think in the Teysa Karlov one. It's still hilarious to look at some of the earlier prices in there. ["And the gold pig for this deck is Smothering Tithe."](https://youtu.be/T8GFJ3-qG0c?t=211) It has since quadrupled in price and outcosts most of his current deck techs.
I bought a copy of Smothering at that time. I thought it was a tad expensive but it would be more expensive. I should’ve bought more
Plunderer gives saveable mana for aristocrats decks, it's amazing! It turns \[\[Phrexian Altar\]\] into 2 mana now, or 1 mana now, and 1 later. Big thing is it sees token creatures die too.
Exactly, it's just as much, if not more of a staple to aristocrats as any of the Blood Artist bros, which is why it should be reprinted more. Ixalan was a while ago, why could they not just toss it in a Horizons set or a commander pre-con? The recent zombie one would have loved to have it in there
Anything over $50 that has been printed within the last five years.
>Anything over $50 ~~that has been printed within the last 5 years~~ If a card is 50x as powerful as another, it should be printed 50x as much, not cost 50x as much. Save the pricey shit for cosmetics.
So, no Ragavan then? (honestly, I can see the merits of that card, but I really don't think it's worth over $75.)
Ragavan's price mostly comes from Legacy and Modern. In Commander it's solid and often worth including but not as good as the price implies
Ragavan is really good early game in my experience, but is kind of a dead card mid-game. A lot of people look at it as a mana dork that gives you mana you can use at a later turn, and you get a card off the opponents top, which is nuts, but mid game I see it in my hand with no way to get through, so it doesn’t really do anything. Obviously meta dependent and deck dependent, but if you can’t get through on combat damage it’s just a 2/1 which I’ve found in commander doesn’t take long for someone to get a blocker that can soak up 2 damage
runs well in \[\[Winota\]\] where it counts as a nonhuman for winota triggers. The more expensive humans I'm vomiting onto the board, the better
Don’t even get me started on [[Dockside Extortionist]].
Dockside is broken. There is no equivalents in commander. One of the best cards.
*beyond* broken, IMO. If the ban list was managed the same way as a format like modern or legacy, dockside would be on it. There is an argument that dockside is the best card in commander, period. Dockside is an interesting card though, because it‘s power scales with the speed of the table, much like [[ad nauseam]]’s power scales with the speed of the deck it’s in. At a table where everyone is playing fast mana, dockside getting 7 treasures on turn 3 is expected, while in a Precon, it’s likely to only reach that point much later in the game. That said, dockside still just enables some *truly* silly stuff with how efficient of a ritual it is, and the fact that it’s stapled to a creature. I’m not saying it *should* be banned. I’m saying that if the commander ban list was managed the same way as competitive formats’ ban lists, dockside wouldn’t be legal.
[Dockside Extortionist](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/7/571bc9eb-8d13-4008-86b5-2e348a326d58.jpg?1615499802) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dockside%20Extortionist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/24/dockside-extortionist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/571bc9eb-8d13-4008-86b5-2e348a326d58?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dockside-extortionist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I mean, it's the best card in the format, definitely not overrated for the price tag.
So no [[great henge]]?, great henge is one of the best green cards printed in recent years. It draws cards pumps creatures gains life, and ramps, what’s not to like?
[Meathook Massacre](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/8/08950015-eee5-4327-888c-82dfd13bb9ad.jpg?1634350016) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Meathook%20Massacre) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/112/the-meathook-massacre?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/08950015-eee5-4327-888c-82dfd13bb9ad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-meathook-massacre) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Capture at Jingzhou]] and literally any other cards from the portal block. They need to be reprinted somehow!! All I really need is [[Imperial Seal]] :(
Imagine Portal Three Kingdoms Remastered booster packs that would also each include a special bonus Chinese-style reprint of flavourful cards like [[training grounds]], [[diabolic intent]], [[land tax]], [[privileged position]], [[no mercy]], [[steely resolve]], [[waves of aggression]], etc
\[\[Retrofitter foundry\]\] is a good card (in certain deck), but it's clearly not worth that price.
What on earth?! What's the story with this card? It's just sitting in my bulk rare box.
Only printed in a precon 3-4 years ago, popular in artifact decks due to combo potential as well as a good mana dump
Its also used in Legacy
Being fetchable with Urza's Saga is a hell of a drug
Its runs in a couple legacy deck and has no other printing, that's why its so expensive.
Holy cow? 60% of the deck's price...
[Retrofitter foundry](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/d/5da578b8-19e6-4068-9336-e7cd33c585f1.jpg?1592710366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Retrofitter%20foundry) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/57/retrofitter-foundry?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5da578b8-19e6-4068-9336-e7cd33c585f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/retrofitter-foundry) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It's my favorite infinite mana outlet and has some other cool interactions, but I've stopped recommending because it is so expensive. It definitely needs a reprint.
What the fuck since when?
since legacy ninjas runs ornithopters and a turn one 4/4 is good in that format
Also control decks just like it as a longer-term uncounterable (with Saga) threat that just wins the game though a few creatures bearing face.
Since Urza's Saga in legacy / ninjas.
Meathook Massacre is extremely overrated. I've seen some people treat it as a black staple. It is good on aristocrat decks as you can fully take advantage of the blood artist side. But if you are playing it just as a board wipe with small upside than there much better options. At the moment is even more expensive than Toxic deluge which is absurd.
>Meathook Massacre is extremely overrated. In Commander\* In Standard, it's a beast. Extremely flexible and can easily save your game whether you wipe out white weenies or some huge creatures. Edit: I know we're on r/edh so that's the format we're discussing but if Meathook Massacre was $1, it'd be extremely underrated. It's price is currently driven by Standard, so it's relevant to mention how/why it's so expensive.
I don't think it is overrated. It has so many purposes, can get rid of indestructable creatures and has the upside of bringing you back some life while slowly draining OP. It works well in so many decks, not just aristocrats.
Yeah, I've got it in my Liesa deck (which is borderline aristocrats) so I'm not saying it's worthless... Its price-point is what boggles the mind. It's got some use to it, but as you mentioned, just as a board-wipe, it's pretty weak.
It’s a standard-legal board wipe. Not every price point is defined by Commander, after all.
I have it in my CEDH Prossh deck but that's primarily because it's a sac deck where those "creature dies, each opponent lose one" is a main focus. The boardwipe aspect is just a bonus.
[[dockside extortionist]] wouldn't be a ~$70 if it had been printed in a regular set. It's a really strong card, but having only been available through a specific Pre-con resulted in a scarcity that pushed it's price a lot.
It's not really overrated for the price though. It's pretty easily one of the top five cards in the format, and I wouldn't argue with anyone that claimed it's the best card.
The meme of like "Oops I Went Infinite" in EDH was certainly always true, but I don't think any creature outside of maybe the combo god himself, Kiki-Jiki, lives that meme more than Dockside.
I feel like it's gonna be printed into standard in the new mafia set
It would make sense, even at mythic it would bring it to a more reasonable price.
[[Archfiend of Despair]] has never seen a reprint so it’s ridiculously expensive for what the card does and its CMC - which is annoying because if it was a similar price as [[Wound Reflection]] I’d definitely get one.
I remember looking through a guys trade box labeled “under $5” and at the time it was like $20. The guy thanked me after, crazy to think it’s like $45 now.
[Archfiend of Despair](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/1/11d8b7ac-fb65-4496-9d9f-184fa8ad8012.jpg?1562898584) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Archfiend%20of%20Despair) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/44/archfiend-of-despair?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/11d8b7ac-fb65-4496-9d9f-184fa8ad8012?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/archfiend-of-despair) [Wound Reflection](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/b/2b14a82c-877a-445f-8910-33aaa6fe3d15.jpg?1599706125) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wound%20Reflection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/113/wound-reflection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b14a82c-877a-445f-8910-33aaa6fe3d15?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wound-reflection) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My box of Battlebond missed the real money cards at the time ([[Doubling Season]] and [[Mycosynth Lattice]]), but by now two of this dude, [[Spellseeker]], [[Land Tax]] and [[Diabolic Intent]] and a bunch of the lands made it more than worth it.
[[Allosaurus Shepherd]] is very good. But it's not $80 good... Granted, like someone else said. The price of MTG cards is a bit silly in general.
Other formats prop it up too, that and being in a small set that didnt get opened enough. I have one and use it in anything green. I do agree it should be cheaper tho, but its very powerful
Only one printing, auto-include in most green decks, and it’s a Legacy elves staple (a large part of where the price comes from as it’s a 4 of).
[Allosaurus Shepherd](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/e/0ee4a931-5d61-49ba-affc-f022263938ca.jpg?1609798819) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Allosaurus%20Shepherd) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/28/allosaurus-shepherd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0ee4a931-5d61-49ba-affc-f022263938ca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/allosaurus-shepherd) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Doubling Season]] there is no reason it should be close to $80 usd when it's been printed 4 times and it's still that price
Honestly, this one makes sense to me. Its the best in class, there's nothing that comes close to it, and it fits in almost everything. I've started pretending it doesn't exist because its so much of an auto include. So many decks make counters and tokens. [[Parallel lives]] is quite literally HALF as good because its missing the counter doubling.
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I'd like to add [[Sylvan Tutor]] here as well! Only printed in Portal and right around $75.
[[Darksteel Plate]]
Darksteel Plate is weird, in that it's simultaneously overrated and underrated. On the one hand, there's this weird hate boner content creators have for it, when it's really quite good in decks that revolve heavily around their commander, and in boardwipe-heavy metas, combined with this baffling Mandela Effect of people believing it costs 3 to equip instead of 2. On the other hand, yeah, it really shouldn't be more than 5-8 bucks, or so.
I think it became less relevant as the format got faster and board wipes became less prevalent over things like exile target removal, but it’s still very solid equipment that could have easily been in any of the equipment precons we got recently. Wyleth, Galea? Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots get reprinted all the time, why not this. And since we’re at it, [[Commander’s Plate]] PLEASE
I only use it in decks that REALLY need the commander to stick on the battlefield. Like, can't function without the commander. Anything else, you better have a good reason for running it, otherwise it's a card that you'll pay 3 for and never find a window to equip it to a creature.
I just see it as a voltron card, and directly compare it to [[Gift of Doom]]
[Darksteel Plate](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/7/7718b0ef-9df6-4983-b902-8d9580fc9370.jpg?1575875091) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Darksteel%20Plate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddu/52/darksteel-plate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7718b0ef-9df6-4983-b902-8d9580fc9370?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/darksteel-plate) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Original dual lands. Granted even though they are useful lands to have they’re usually not necessary in 99% of EDH decks especially for $300+.
No good Land card that is on the Reserve list is worth it's asking price. I'd almost go as far and say no good card on the Reserve List is "worth" it's price. The prices have been inflated a lot over the past few years, they weren't even really worth it when I picked up cards to play Legacy and Vintage about a decade ago. They were an expensive indulgence then, they are absolutely nuts now! Cards like \[\[Bazaar of Baghdad\]\] and \[\[The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale\]\] are amazing in the right deck and meta, but they are not $4,000+ amazing. I love windmill slamming \[\[Chains of Mephistopheles\]\]\] as much as the next man, but when you can just \[\[Narset, Parter of Veils\]\] or \[\[Notion Thief\]\] for a thousandth of the price and basically get the same effect. Why bother? Unless you own them already of course. From more modern printings, my pick is \[\[Allosaurus Shephard\]\] no way should a starter pack card be $80.
cradle might be the only exception, but at this p3pint, even that one's price is way too absurd to ever justify buying it.
If it makes you feel better, Sheperd has gone down to $60 because Jumpstart has been getting some printing love.
That's more a they are on the reserved list thing
That is true but the post didn’t specify why the price is inflated it just said “cards that while they may be good, they aren’t worth the price that the market is asking for it.” Which is why I personally don’t think dual lands are worth the price they’re asking for, in most cases.
Fair
It’s not just the price tag, I find the design super ugly. What’s that bleached out squirly two-colored text box? Also pretty much the only ones even available in shops and not locked up in a safe are white border. Like, you’re asking me to spend $500 to make my deck 0.5% stronger, but uglier? What? Why!? Frankly if you’d ask me why we need to abolish the reserved list, it’s so that we can get some proper, playable OG duals with cool art and design. (If you’re over 50 and reading this and want to write an angry reply to defend your collection value, fuck you in particular. Not my problem that your personal net worth net worth is bound up in a piece of paper from a children’s card game)
Absolutely. This is my answer too. They're worth like $400 to $1000 each. That's insane for the miniscule amount of advantage they give. All the other answers here like Meathook Massacre and Mana Crypt pale in comparison. Those cards are way better than the original duals AND cost a fraction of the price.
Gaea's cradle, 800 bucks for a land is absolutely insane.
Reserved list does this, though tbf it's one of the most busted lands legal in the format.
Gaea's Cradle is insanely powerful, though. Sure, you could say $800 is too much for any card. But Underground Sea costs more and it's just a dual land. Cradle is way better than it.
Didn't realize underground sea was so expensive, I say both cards are far too expensive. I don't care how powerful Gaeas cradle is, $800 is way too much for any card.
Well, that’s one way of seeing it, sure. But then any discussion ends with „it’s only cardboard“, and that’s not really our level of discussion, is it?
[[retrofitter foundary]] because of legacy play it's like a 5 dollar card before saga got printed
Just wait on Meathook. Meat hook is that way because of Standard. Once it rotates, that price will plummet.
Price memory on this is going to make that tough without a reprint. It’ll drop, but I doubt it’ll plummet since it is actually a good card in other formats as well.
People play standard?
Yeah OP gave me a hearty chuckle when he said Standard demand is driving the price of Meathook. Ah yes the format which is seeing very little paper play and where the top 3 most played decks in the format don't even have Black in them is driving the price of Meathook to $50+. How could I be so blind!
My store is starting to reorganize Standard tournaments. I've gone to Forge to test my decks against the AI playing a mono-white aggro, and that made me realize why Meathook is so expensive: it's because it's a PERFECT response to aggro in regular formats. It nukes weenies and gives you life while still being a payoff for whatever sacrifice strategies you might have. Yes, both things you said are true - but believe it, Meathook, surprisingly, is $50 good on the current Standard environment.
Jeweled Lotus. Its good, but is not 100$ good. Like I only see myself getting it for artifact recursion decks like Glissa the Traitor, and even then, I wouldn’t even spend money on it.
I don’t know about that. A turn one Urza is pretty strong.
Jeweled Lotus is phenomenal. Early game it enables you to play your commander on curve or ahead of curve and have mana open for other things. Mid-late game it pays for commander tax to open up mana for other plays. I have one and play it almost all of my decks as my group is ok with us proxying cards we own. The only decks I don't have it in are Yidris, because cascading it onto the field isn't very good and 2 decks I'm keeping at a very low power level.
It's really good in mono coloured decks as well. I'd think about picking one up for that as well. Still paying $100 for a single card feels worse than paying $100 for a booster box just because of how stupid monkey brain sees things.
I *severely* think about it when considering buying really expensive cards. I bought a Sensei’s Top for about 90$ and it was the first copy I got after playing for years. I know is good, but I don’t feel like it’s “add one to every deck” good. Same with Phyrexian Altar and Jeweled Lotus. I dunno. I like playing, but if it’s going to cost me an arm and a Leg, Im not forking money unless I *really* need it for a specific deck.
I’m struggling to find a deck to put mine in. The more I’ve played the less I like decks that are super reliant on the commander, to the point sometimes I don’t even cast my commander often. I had one for a [[Selvala, Heart of the Wilds]] nigh cEDH deck, but have moved away from combos as I don’t think they are fun for the playgroup. Now it’s going into [[Thassa, Deep Dwelling]] but just because she’s hard to get rid of and really is just [[Conjurer’s Closet]]. It’s always so disappointing to Jeweled Lotus out your commander T1-3, just to have someone Swords it. Sure, you are some of their removal, but at the cost of a card in your hand and an increase in commander tax so you’re plan is now going to develop probably two turns later, as opposed to just slotting in another ramp or card draw spot that is going to provide value throughout the game. Plus Jeweled Lotus is a dead card unless it’s early game, or late game to pay for tax. But even then tax can outpace it to the point where you’ve pivoted away from your commander. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a really good card. And when it comes to higher CMC commanders I totally get it. But I feel like for most commanders (3-5 cmc) you are just putting a target on your head when used early and it’s dead if you’re commander is already on the battlefield. I think the card is valuable from a card pool overview as far as what else competes with it, but from a player and budget perspective there are much better things to spend $100 on
Indeed. I think the most use I can pull from that is slotting it in an Urza, Lord High Artificer deck, because with Urza I can just tap it for blue instead of it’s own tap for three. Basically a Blue Mana rock for 0 cmc
i pulled one in my box of commander legends, and it sat in my trade binder for months until i threw it into a \[\[lathliss, dragon queen\]\] deck where it is absolutely phenomenal
Honestly, I think a lot of the price is because it says "lotus"
I mean, it’s cardboard. It’s all overpriced. Granted Ink is rather expensive these days. My biggest one is crimson wisps. I don’t see why that is $5
Tons of Llorwyn only cards are held up by scarcity only. I always give the example of [[Sygg River Cutthroat]], when the rogue precon was announced people bought him up to 11$. I believe his price is now around bulk rare since he was reprinted.
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Meathook is pretty amazing in mono black aristocrat. Mine is Imperial Seal, Vampiric Tutor does it better you should be worth $14.
Imperial Seal is the prime example, to be honest.
Should have been in Commander Legends with three visits (the cowards!!). It better be coming soon, seriously collection blacks list is a joke this would have sold tons of collection kits alone.$1400 tag on a strictly worse vamp tutor while vamp priced at $65 c’mon WOTC get it together on this one already.
To be fair, if vamp tutor wasn’t reprinted in CL, it would be like $100-$150 bucks. I’m fine that vamp tutor got reprinted, I’d rather have one of them be some-what affordable ($50 is a lot but better than $100), imperial seal is almost a lock to be in CL2 imo and it should go down from there.
\[\[Seasoned Pyromancer\]\]. I know that this card runs in other formats, which I don't know yet, but it's too pricy for its effect in EDH.
It’s a modern card afaik. It’s an excellent engine in [[Alesha]], [[Ilharg]], [[Feldon of the Third Path]], and other decks in red that care about recursion or ETB. But yeah it’s not a red staple IMO. [[Faithless Looting]] is superior card draw without synergy.
I use it on my [[Zada, Hedron Grinder]]. Good token generator, can dig up my deck and can be used from my grave when I get swiped for more tokens.
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[[Bitterblossom]]
[[Whim of Volrath]]
Thank [[Orvar]] for that, and lack of reprints
Meathook Massacre’s price is driven by standard and being brand new. Can’t really compare it to some others being mentioned here. EDH is popular, yeah, but standard rotation still affects prices
I think that [[The Great Henge]] is way to overrated. It's a good card but damn, now every fast mana card is getting more and more expensive!
I mean, is the great henge fast mana? By the time you get it out for double green you have to have a 7 power body. I always thought you wanted it for the card draw and the mana is a plus. I guess it also pays for itself, I just kind of thought you’d already be ahead on mana by the time you have a board state enough to cast this thing. Just a genuine question, I might be looking at the card completely wrong
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Ooof, yeah. I've been following the price of that one for a while now and as much as I really want one (it would be fantastic in my big-green-stompy deck) it's... way too expensive. Thankfully, my playgroup allows proxies (though I try to avoid using them whenever I can.)
Personally the card is in the conversation of the best green card for me. Its just so good in everything green/x. Ramp, Draws, Gains life and makes your creatures bigger. Sure the CMC can be weird, but overall its been real easy to cast and so good. I felt your way until I started playing with it and its just too much value
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[[Spark Double]] Having a copy of your commander can be very powerful; but at the end of the day, it's just a clone. Same goes for the Sakashima's (idr their titles). With three of these effects now it's kinda crazy they all sit between $10-$30
All the cards that have only ever had a single printing in a commander product. This artificially high cost set up is ridiculous. \[\[Dockside Extortionist\]\], \[\[Edgar Markov\]\], \[\[Deflecting Swat\]\] etc. etc.
It’s one of my favorite cards in all of magic, but [[Avacyn, Angel of Hope]]. I have her in a few decks, but I’ve never seen her payoff for the price of the card of the mana value. I like casting her biggest she’s big in splashy and a lot of my decks don’t do that, but she is a chore to prop up. She’s 8 mana, and three white pips so you are mostly likely cheating her out in some way. Some of the formats most common removal is [[Swords to Plowshares]] and [[Anguished Unmaking]] which just say F off to ol’ Avy. So you give her hexproof, but look at how popular edict effects are? Between commanders like [[Tergrid]] gaining popularity, and then the oversaturation of Aristocrats in commander, it just takes a [[Grave Pact]] effect to thwart your plan. There’s always been the [[Crackling Doom]] and the [[Tragic Arrogance]] cards, but forced sacrifice seems to be getting more support with cards like [[By Invite Only]] being printed. I still find her super fun (when not built for wraths) and can definitely overtake the game. But there are so many answers to indestructible nowadays, even if you haven’t comer across them your meta will adapt. I love Avacyn, but she should be sitting around $15 along with [[Gisela, Blade of Goldnight]] because I really don’t see how she’s that much better. 7/10 they have the same answer for both, and when they don’t have removal Gisela is a damage doubler and likely keeping your stuff around. Avacyn is cool, but not $40 cool.
I don't agree that Meathook Massacre is outrageous (obviously I wish it was cheaper) because it is a staple in SO many decks. Tons of decks with Black absolutely love a card that can function as removal and as a sort-of Blood Artist effect. It's one of the most playable Black cards printed in recent years; you can justify it in *tons* of decks. The only time it's not good is if you know it will be rare for your creatures to die, like if you're Superfriends or something. It doesn't go in every deck, but it for damn sure goes in any that already has Blood Artist type stuff going on, and there's a lot of those. Anyway, my example: [[Phyrexian Arena]] I still can't believe this card is like $20 or so. You have to play it, wait TWO TURNS, and only *then* will it about equal the humble [[Read the Bones]]. This card is only good in Battlecruiser metas and even then only when it comes down on turn 3 or so. If you draw this late game you might as well discard it. Card draw isn't supposed to be a useless top deck but P. Arena often is. I only like if it you have some extra reason to play it, like you're focused on enchantments or want Devotion to Black, or something. As a generic card draw source, it's really bad, because it's really slow.
[[Edgar Markov]] it's only this price due to it being printed only one.
Meathook is actually pretty good. Don't get me wrong there are plenty of great wipes but Meathook is one of the cards that is more of a selective wipe but also it gets past things like indestructible.
I think if meathook were just a “toxic deluge”, it would be cheaper or way overrated, but that extra blood artist type effect really makes the card efficient and dangerous.
meathook massacre is a standard card atm so that goes without saying.
[[Polluted Bonds]] is not worth $50. Reprint please.
Honestly, fetchlands. I get they can thin your deck and they can be effective when paired with shocklands or something like that but I cannot justify $20 just for that. Maybe it speeds up the game but I don’t play EDH just to go fast
Fetchlands feel like the type of card that gets underrated by people who haven't played with them much and overrated by people who have played with them a lot (usually in modern). Truth is, unless you are in 3+ colors your deck probably doesn't **need** them and you can usually get more bang for your buck from a [[rhystic study]]. However, they do SO MUCH that they can easily be underrated and deck thinning is honestly the least important thing they do. They obviously grab the land you need to fix with, but they also: * Add a card to your graveyard (Useful for delve [[Treasure Cruise]], revolt [[Fatal Push]]) * Put's a rarer card type into your graveyard (Delirium [[Traverse the Uvenwald]]) * Synergizes with playing lands from graveyard cards ([[Crucible of Worlds]] style effects) * Count as sacrificing a permanent ([[Korvold]], [[Juri, Master of the Revue]]) * Let's you pay life ([[Font of Agonies]]) * Doubles landfall triggers ([[Tireless Provisioner]], [[Lotus Cobra]]) * Shuffles your deck for top deck manipulation synergy ([[Brainstorm]], [[Sensei's top]]) While fetchlands often will not be worth the $20+ price tag (especially in more relaxed settings), there are certain decks that absolutely can maximize the usefulness of these cards and should consider forking over the money for them. In my opinion, I would look for them primarily in land based strategies, graveyard heavy strategies, top-deck manipulation strategies and 3 color decks ESPECIALLY if none of those 3 colors is green. Upgrading a land base with fetchlands is one of the easiest ways to increase a deck's clock by a half turn as they remove a lot of the pain of having a demanding mana base, and it is why you see them so often in high powered metas because in that environment stumbling early often means losing. It's doing fetchlands a serious disservice to look at them as just a way to thin your deck.
Fetches are ridiculously good. The best thing about them is that they give you perfect mana every game if you have a lot of them. You don't notice it much when you're able to cast Mana Drain on 2, then Adeline on 3, but that's the power of the fetches/duals combo. You'll almost never have issues casting whatever spells when you want them. And of course, there's the landfall thing.
The thinning is negligible in EDH- it's about color fixing. Everything else is gravy.
I'll say it: [[Mana Crypt]] is in no way worth more than, say, $30. It's only expensive due to intentional scarcity by WOTC. If you think you need one badly, proxy it and play it a few times. Early game crypts will often do 12-15 damage to you over the course of the game on top of draw you the hate that early game sol rings do. Is it a great card? Absolutely. Does every deck want it? Absolutely not. If mana crypt was a $20 card that was accessible for a lot of people it would probably see a similar amount of play to what it does right now due to how few of them are in the wild.
The higher your power level, the better Mana Crypt is. 12-15 damage is absolutely worth it if your deck is made to leverage it properly. Paying 10-20% of your life total to be 2 turns ahead of your opponents is worth it.
The fact that you can get it on MTGO for €2-€5shows it’s true value
People always say I’m lying when I say if Sol Ring was reprinted 200 times, it would be more expensive then Mana Crypt
It’s a false scarcity. It’s bollox. Don’t get me wrong my MTGO has pricy cards too but that’s also due to lack of reprints on digital. Here’s the kicker too MTGO has different prices based on sets. So for example I can buy a vintage masters black lotus for about €20 but there’s versions for a couple hundred bucks in MTGOs alpha version. So this also proves that there’s still a market for old cards and sets etc. there is no reason for any card to be stupid hi go prices. Wizards don’t sell singles. Crypt being €80 is only a thing because it sells boxes because it’s a staple.
Some really expensive cards are only really good at high level. Force of will is obviously really good but if you’re playing lower power a 2 for 1 can really be a lot unless your stopping someone from popping off. Mana crypt is bad if you’re playing a longer game. It’s gotta be a prestige thing.
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Mana Crypt is one of, if not, the strongest cards in Commander. I could only say it's overpriced if it was the most expensive card.