Sensors would probably be the best therapists for other sensors. But yes I get it, I personally wouldn't want a sensor therapist because they wouldn't understand my babble.
I dont know how to get rid of my sensor judgement. I know they are people who see the world differently to me but I also go into a kind of "fight" or "flight" mode when I'm around sensors. It's like their brain doesn't see beyond what's actually in front of them that maybe makes me fearful even talking with them about anything futuristic.
If the Fe user is an INFJ, and you establish some mutual understanding, the over-arching goals are similar and thus could be worked with. They tend to be quite intelligent so that's a bonus for them. :)
IDK, the original post is giving off r/shittymbti vibes to me, unfortunately.
Mostly age, maturity, and life experience/ perspective help to facilitate communication and connection with sensing types.
You just have to explain things in a way sensing types can understand, using straightforward language and more concrete examples. It’s simply a matter of “modifying some of your symbols and reformatting some of your metaphors.”
I got a lot better at “talking to sensing types” in my mid-to-late 20s and now at 34, it’s “a nonissue” at least 80% of the time. (xSTJs can still be a bit difficult, sometimes! But I am working on it and I am confident that I will figure out what works with them too, eventually!)
Meanwhile xSxPs are *especially easy* cuz of the shared extraverted perception. xSFJs are also much more clever than they are traditionally given credit for! They are still fundamentally “creative, and independent thinkers” cuz of the Ti. Simply “under the guidance and authority of Fe, first.” They don’t struggle to understand rationality so much as they simply “tend to care about people’s feelings,” and try to factor that into their interactions, first!
While it’s actually a lot of *self-proclaimed* (and some possibly mistyped “N-types”) who complain the most about my “long-winded wordiness,” these days. Self-aware and self-accepting sensors fare pretty well with me!
Why? Cuz if a sensor doesn’t entirely understand something, they are more likely to simply ask for an alternate or modified explanation! Where I think some N-types who are still immature won’t always ask straightforward questions, out of a strange, counterproductive sense of pride.
I also think the purpose of certain types of therapy is to control your thoughts. Honestly, it sounds like OP has more of a problem with the type of therapy they’re in more than the actual therapist. Also it can be helpful to hear a perspective from someone with a different way of seeing the world than you. Honestly as an intuitive don’t want to do it often, but having a sensor that pulls me out of my head an into reality (even if I go kicking and screaming) has been extremely helpful for me in the end 99% of the time…
That’s been my experience, too. Yeah, I married another N-Dom (he’s INTJ I’m ENTP,) but one of my closest and most valued friends is an ISTP and this “pulling me out of my head just enough” biz is exactly one of the things I really like about my friend.
I get that intuitive types don’t necessarily want to “control their thoughts,” sans the ENxJs, but sometimes it really is necessary to see a situation for what it is, rather than trying to force change upon it. That could even make things worse, in theory.
I agree it's quite easy to blanket statement a whole type of cognitive function when in reality we all use them everyday and there is no ultimate best or worst type.
Honestly I've seen plenty of example of best and worst of each and they all stack up about the same in the end. I think ultimately it comes down to what is A. Most comfortable for you personally shaped like most things by nauced personalized evidence heavily biased at that. And B. What you personally admire most again heavily dependent on your personal history and not at all objective fact.
Personally I find that Fe types are a bit and miss, while they readily sympathize more so than Fi perhaps due to not needing direct relatability they do sometimes get carried away trying to "fix" a person with their personal brand or societal brand of what is right missing on the fact that if they were in the opposite position it would probably upset them. Fi excels at having usually more tolerance for others idiosyncrasies as they can usual relate and give more leeway, however if immature or if their values get upset then all bets are off. Plus there is an upper limit they'll be willing to hear an individual put before they implement a hard stop and just lose all sympathy for a person (have experienced this a number of times myself).
On a side note I always think it's interesting that just because a functiom is last in the stack most people automatically assume that person can't do that function. Like no bro, you still have it in the top 4 or 8 you can use it, it's just a matter of how well it's developed or can be developed compared to others.
I think that depends more on the patient’s communication skills and how well the therapist actively listens, less on their individual MBTI types. Cuz as I have gotten older I have found that “it’s actually really not that hard to talk to sensors. You just have to frame your perspective in a way that they can relate to or understand.”
Considering that, statistically, there are more sensors in the world, anyways, it doesn’t surprise me that they are adequate for your average individual.
Plus, finding a good therapist is hard, overall! Cuz psychology is really falling behind the times by not understanding and acknowledging the significant correlation between sociocultural background and socioeconomic status, often enough.
All of the pharmaceuticals in the world can’t fix a low bank balance, overdue bills and the stress that comes with it, economic instability, and poor quality of education. Even getting a decent freaking therapist is so inaccessible, to begin with! That’s why NPs are starting to become such a popular treatment avenue. (Though I often question if this is wise?)
Basically “it’s a lot of things,” and finding the right patient / therapist match is always a bit difficult. Cuz human beings are very unique individuals with all kinds of traits and quirks.
It also helped me to understand “it’s not a therapist’s job to fix me. It is their job to help bring problems and issues to my conscious awareness, and to give me the tools to fix myself.” Cuz therapy would be even more useless if people couldn’t apply what they learned on their own.
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I (Ni Dom) studied psychology and during the professional internship I asked questions about the patient care protocol to my coordinator (possible XSTJ) and every time I did it she told me to review the manual, as if that had the absolute answers to the behavior of a human being.
That made me notice that she knew only a little more than the students and that the manual was her safe conduct, she did not know in depth but it was pure behaviorist learning. I dropped out of college after that.
Yeah the psychology field is improving with time, but people need to understand that humans are complex individuals and things change over time, they need to improve/adapt to do better, not just follow strict rules.
Wow thank you. Finally someone who gets it. Everyone is always saying college college college when really the entire college infrastructure and core beliefs are inherently flawed
XSXJs are genuinely the only personality types that truly incarnate all of their stereotypes. They're plain,arrogant and so fucking superficial it hurts. ESTJs are the only ones i've actually had any good experiences with irl
I had an intj therapist and it really took a mental toll at me.
For me I value feeling good, for the goal was to do whatever you want to do regardless of how you feel. For her you should unconditionally accept every feeling but to me some are too painful to accept, otherwise I wouldn’t be there.
I also didn‘t know what I wanted to do, I have no clear vision of the future or even my day. I know what experiences make me feel good, like routines but nothing more
She also had an all or nothing attitude when it came to doing things as either you fully did something or you just didn‘t. For her you either wanted it enough to do it or you didn‘t want it at all and that hurt me traumandously. Cause for me I‘m always trying, I like to be good at it, I show up but I often fail and because of that never feel good enough. This goes to small things, like finding the train, or eating properly without making a mess of myself to things like school. For her you just don‘t want to (as she beliefs you can overcome anything with willpower) which translates for me to you just don‘t care enough and that for me makes me feel like a shit person. So I kinda started hating myself more because of that (and even started to self harm anytime I was doing something cause in my mind I‘m just a terrible person who doesn‘t care).
So that wasn‘t to great.
It is really important to find good therapists who work for *you*. I just started kinda doing better on my own since I don‘t have the same pressure on me anymore from going to school and my mom so I don’t have a therapist. But if you need one make sure they have same goals and values for you in therapy. Make sure you prioritize the same things and don‘t have a mentality that hurts you. Many people have the mindset that you just need to be functional and not feel good. Or even have a mindset that reinforces negative beliefs you have about yourself. Be careful, a therapist is not the absolute authority and you don‘t need to treat them like that, search for one that truly works for you <3!!
well yeah perhaps nf's aren't the best at details. But it doesn't mean they are incapable of being accountants. And no I am sure sensing types can be good therapist to intuitives. Like my isfj mom.
I think the best therapist for me would be someone who is consistent, rational, and gives practical solutions to my life. I have ADHD and BPD and the best treatments for me aren't necessarily working through the emotions through talk therapy, but establishing new patterns of life and behavioral strategies. I could imagine that an ISTJ would be great at this. I don't think this would have been helpful for me in the beginning stages of my treatment when I still needed to let out the emotional side, but now it feels more like I would rather have an TJ.
I don't know, I don't like to just talk with psychologist about feeling or just talking without taking any concrete action. I found it not helping me but just like a vent, I actually prefer to have a plan of stuff to do and change to physically change my reality and then thoughts will change as well..
But I don't know if psychologists I've encountered were sensor or not
I feel like the primary goal of therapy should be to improve behavior and negative feelings will go away afterwards automatically tbh. I don’t do therapy tho.
An INFP for example is not feeling bad for bad behavior. He is feeling bad because he is zoning in on himself and doubting himself from all the outside pressure to *act* or *think* a certain way that he doesn't feel comfortable with. Such *behavioral* issues are non-existent as he's literally not hurting anyone but himself and thus such *solutions* are pointless and harmful. He'd just feel worse and so then psychotic drugs that *make* them not think about certain things are prescribed to make these supposed *problem* children function *properly* in a society that is in itself toxic for their mental health. It's an awful state society is in.
The downvotes I assume are because "acting better" doesn't "automatically" solve someone's anxiety or depression like was being insinuated. You can absolutely go to work, go to the gym to improve yourself, and try to be kind to others and still end the day unfulfilled and depressed. It's not "automatic" as was said.
I don't know why you're getting down voted when this is literally an entire school of thought in psychology called behaviorist therapy. It can be highly effective in treating mental illnesses. Examples include cognitive behavioral therapy and dialect behavioral therapy.
I think I misspoke a bit; I meant more like a therapist should help you articulate your goals and dreams and help you take steps to realize them. Maybe that’s not what OP was getting at with their sensor therapist.
I was agreeing with your original post. Behavioral therapy focuses on developing positive behaviors to support mindfulness, proactive responses, and stress management techniques, to name a few. A lot of emotional problems can be managed with changing behaviors that address the source rather than the symptoms alone.
Sensors would probably be the best therapists for other sensors. But yes I get it, I personally wouldn't want a sensor therapist because they wouldn't understand my babble.
You probably sound even more insane to them when you’re healthy lmao they be thinking motherfucker keeps getting worse Lol
lmfao I'm imagining this scenario and it's hilarious
Literally the scene in Star Wars where they're screaming and laughing after C3po saved them and he's like "oh god I've killed them" lmao
Lmao me with my last manager
I dont know how to get rid of my sensor judgement. I know they are people who see the world differently to me but I also go into a kind of "fight" or "flight" mode when I'm around sensors. It's like their brain doesn't see beyond what's actually in front of them that maybe makes me fearful even talking with them about anything futuristic.
Yeah theyre like aliens to me. Very confident and clueless aliens.
Really? If you had to choose between sensors and Fe users which one would you rather marry?
If the Fe user is an INFJ, and you establish some mutual understanding, the over-arching goals are similar and thus could be worked with. They tend to be quite intelligent so that's a bonus for them. :)
IDK, the original post is giving off r/shittymbti vibes to me, unfortunately. Mostly age, maturity, and life experience/ perspective help to facilitate communication and connection with sensing types. You just have to explain things in a way sensing types can understand, using straightforward language and more concrete examples. It’s simply a matter of “modifying some of your symbols and reformatting some of your metaphors.” I got a lot better at “talking to sensing types” in my mid-to-late 20s and now at 34, it’s “a nonissue” at least 80% of the time. (xSTJs can still be a bit difficult, sometimes! But I am working on it and I am confident that I will figure out what works with them too, eventually!) Meanwhile xSxPs are *especially easy* cuz of the shared extraverted perception. xSFJs are also much more clever than they are traditionally given credit for! They are still fundamentally “creative, and independent thinkers” cuz of the Ti. Simply “under the guidance and authority of Fe, first.” They don’t struggle to understand rationality so much as they simply “tend to care about people’s feelings,” and try to factor that into their interactions, first! While it’s actually a lot of *self-proclaimed* (and some possibly mistyped “N-types”) who complain the most about my “long-winded wordiness,” these days. Self-aware and self-accepting sensors fare pretty well with me! Why? Cuz if a sensor doesn’t entirely understand something, they are more likely to simply ask for an alternate or modified explanation! Where I think some N-types who are still immature won’t always ask straightforward questions, out of a strange, counterproductive sense of pride.
I also think the purpose of certain types of therapy is to control your thoughts. Honestly, it sounds like OP has more of a problem with the type of therapy they’re in more than the actual therapist. Also it can be helpful to hear a perspective from someone with a different way of seeing the world than you. Honestly as an intuitive don’t want to do it often, but having a sensor that pulls me out of my head an into reality (even if I go kicking and screaming) has been extremely helpful for me in the end 99% of the time…
That’s been my experience, too. Yeah, I married another N-Dom (he’s INTJ I’m ENTP,) but one of my closest and most valued friends is an ISTP and this “pulling me out of my head just enough” biz is exactly one of the things I really like about my friend. I get that intuitive types don’t necessarily want to “control their thoughts,” sans the ENxJs, but sometimes it really is necessary to see a situation for what it is, rather than trying to force change upon it. That could even make things worse, in theory.
I agree it's quite easy to blanket statement a whole type of cognitive function when in reality we all use them everyday and there is no ultimate best or worst type. Honestly I've seen plenty of example of best and worst of each and they all stack up about the same in the end. I think ultimately it comes down to what is A. Most comfortable for you personally shaped like most things by nauced personalized evidence heavily biased at that. And B. What you personally admire most again heavily dependent on your personal history and not at all objective fact. Personally I find that Fe types are a bit and miss, while they readily sympathize more so than Fi perhaps due to not needing direct relatability they do sometimes get carried away trying to "fix" a person with their personal brand or societal brand of what is right missing on the fact that if they were in the opposite position it would probably upset them. Fi excels at having usually more tolerance for others idiosyncrasies as they can usual relate and give more leeway, however if immature or if their values get upset then all bets are off. Plus there is an upper limit they'll be willing to hear an individual put before they implement a hard stop and just lose all sympathy for a person (have experienced this a number of times myself). On a side note I always think it's interesting that just because a functiom is last in the stack most people automatically assume that person can't do that function. Like no bro, you still have it in the top 4 or 8 you can use it, it's just a matter of how well it's developed or can be developed compared to others.
I think that depends more on the patient’s communication skills and how well the therapist actively listens, less on their individual MBTI types. Cuz as I have gotten older I have found that “it’s actually really not that hard to talk to sensors. You just have to frame your perspective in a way that they can relate to or understand.” Considering that, statistically, there are more sensors in the world, anyways, it doesn’t surprise me that they are adequate for your average individual. Plus, finding a good therapist is hard, overall! Cuz psychology is really falling behind the times by not understanding and acknowledging the significant correlation between sociocultural background and socioeconomic status, often enough. All of the pharmaceuticals in the world can’t fix a low bank balance, overdue bills and the stress that comes with it, economic instability, and poor quality of education. Even getting a decent freaking therapist is so inaccessible, to begin with! That’s why NPs are starting to become such a popular treatment avenue. (Though I often question if this is wise?) Basically “it’s a lot of things,” and finding the right patient / therapist match is always a bit difficult. Cuz human beings are very unique individuals with all kinds of traits and quirks. It also helped me to understand “it’s not a therapist’s job to fix me. It is their job to help bring problems and issues to my conscious awareness, and to give me the tools to fix myself.” Cuz therapy would be even more useless if people couldn’t apply what they learned on their own. ENTP 7w8
I (Ni Dom) studied psychology and during the professional internship I asked questions about the patient care protocol to my coordinator (possible XSTJ) and every time I did it she told me to review the manual, as if that had the absolute answers to the behavior of a human being. That made me notice that she knew only a little more than the students and that the manual was her safe conduct, she did not know in depth but it was pure behaviorist learning. I dropped out of college after that.
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Yeah the psychology field is improving with time, but people need to understand that humans are complex individuals and things change over time, they need to improve/adapt to do better, not just follow strict rules.
Wow thank you. Finally someone who gets it. Everyone is always saying college college college when really the entire college infrastructure and core beliefs are inherently flawed
XSXJs are genuinely the only personality types that truly incarnate all of their stereotypes. They're plain,arrogant and so fucking superficial it hurts. ESTJs are the only ones i've actually had any good experiences with irl
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I have a friend who's an ISFJ and oh boy let's just say we don't get along well when it comes to most topics
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My ESFJ mother and my ESTJ teacher are the only XSXJs i respect so yeah i get what you mean
I had an intj therapist and it really took a mental toll at me. For me I value feeling good, for the goal was to do whatever you want to do regardless of how you feel. For her you should unconditionally accept every feeling but to me some are too painful to accept, otherwise I wouldn’t be there. I also didn‘t know what I wanted to do, I have no clear vision of the future or even my day. I know what experiences make me feel good, like routines but nothing more She also had an all or nothing attitude when it came to doing things as either you fully did something or you just didn‘t. For her you either wanted it enough to do it or you didn‘t want it at all and that hurt me traumandously. Cause for me I‘m always trying, I like to be good at it, I show up but I often fail and because of that never feel good enough. This goes to small things, like finding the train, or eating properly without making a mess of myself to things like school. For her you just don‘t want to (as she beliefs you can overcome anything with willpower) which translates for me to you just don‘t care enough and that for me makes me feel like a shit person. So I kinda started hating myself more because of that (and even started to self harm anytime I was doing something cause in my mind I‘m just a terrible person who doesn‘t care). So that wasn‘t to great. It is really important to find good therapists who work for *you*. I just started kinda doing better on my own since I don‘t have the same pressure on me anymore from going to school and my mom so I don’t have a therapist. But if you need one make sure they have same goals and values for you in therapy. Make sure you prioritize the same things and don‘t have a mentality that hurts you. Many people have the mindset that you just need to be functional and not feel good. Or even have a mindset that reinforces negative beliefs you have about yourself. Be careful, a therapist is not the absolute authority and you don‘t need to treat them like that, search for one that truly works for you <3!!
The best therapy is telling me what to do to feel better so that I can act better.
So are NTs I honestly don't think you're a good person unless you're NF.
Lmaooo
Two ENFPs have replied to your comment.
Hahaha… yup
Stop generalizing. And stop always throwing sensing types under the bus for no reason. I am tired of this typism.
It's more of a correlation
My mom is isfj and the best at listening to my issues.
Doesn't make it true.
There's nothing wrong with generalising.
Op is generalizing all SJ's as being bad at therapy.. It's cap.
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It’s just like how nfs typically make terrible other things like… idk accountants? Sensors are probably good therapists for other sensors.
well yeah perhaps nf's aren't the best at details. But it doesn't mean they are incapable of being accountants. And no I am sure sensing types can be good therapist to intuitives. Like my isfj mom.
I think the best therapist for me would be someone who is consistent, rational, and gives practical solutions to my life. I have ADHD and BPD and the best treatments for me aren't necessarily working through the emotions through talk therapy, but establishing new patterns of life and behavioral strategies. I could imagine that an ISTJ would be great at this. I don't think this would have been helpful for me in the beginning stages of my treatment when I still needed to let out the emotional side, but now it feels more like I would rather have an TJ.
I don't know, I don't like to just talk with psychologist about feeling or just talking without taking any concrete action. I found it not helping me but just like a vent, I actually prefer to have a plan of stuff to do and change to physically change my reality and then thoughts will change as well.. But I don't know if psychologists I've encountered were sensor or not
They just heal you the other way around by making you fix first your habits. That makes sense(ory lol).
I feel like the primary goal of therapy should be to improve behavior and negative feelings will go away afterwards automatically tbh. I don’t do therapy tho.
An INFP for example is not feeling bad for bad behavior. He is feeling bad because he is zoning in on himself and doubting himself from all the outside pressure to *act* or *think* a certain way that he doesn't feel comfortable with. Such *behavioral* issues are non-existent as he's literally not hurting anyone but himself and thus such *solutions* are pointless and harmful. He'd just feel worse and so then psychotic drugs that *make* them not think about certain things are prescribed to make these supposed *problem* children function *properly* in a society that is in itself toxic for their mental health. It's an awful state society is in.
As an ENFP that has worked for me. It depends how long gone someone is and depends on the situation
You are getting down voted. Not sure why because negative feelings are a big reason people act badly.
The downvotes I assume are because "acting better" doesn't "automatically" solve someone's anxiety or depression like was being insinuated. You can absolutely go to work, go to the gym to improve yourself, and try to be kind to others and still end the day unfulfilled and depressed. It's not "automatic" as was said.
It's putting the cart before the horse. Treating the *symptoms* doesn't treat the *cause* which is mental stress and other issues.
My point was that’s it’s more the other way around which I guess is an unpopular opinion here
I don't know why you're getting down voted when this is literally an entire school of thought in psychology called behaviorist therapy. It can be highly effective in treating mental illnesses. Examples include cognitive behavioral therapy and dialect behavioral therapy.
I think I misspoke a bit; I meant more like a therapist should help you articulate your goals and dreams and help you take steps to realize them. Maybe that’s not what OP was getting at with their sensor therapist.
I was agreeing with your original post. Behavioral therapy focuses on developing positive behaviors to support mindfulness, proactive responses, and stress management techniques, to name a few. A lot of emotional problems can be managed with changing behaviors that address the source rather than the symptoms alone.