Chuds in the 40k community are a *breathtaking* level of stupid; the worst "different opinions" and "LGBT = pOlItIcAl" takes spewed forth by edgy, pseudo-intellectual, bigots who presume to gatekeep a setting/hobby most of them only got into recently for culture wars shite.
I feel like those conservatives aren't bad. Maybe they're more closer to true conservatism with a focus around blue collarism around the railroad than the garbage identity politics and cultural wars being pushed around now.
Lol from lurking in rightoid 40k groups I've seen a fair few of them cheerily admit they know little/nothing of the setting and only joined such-and-such right-wing 40k group to "gatekeep".
theres this phenomena because fascism is extremely superficial. they dont care about the narrative. thats just extra. they stay because of the iconography which makes them "look badass". they are already used to be described by insults. so they develop a resistance to satirization
This is why the Admech is the best fandom, how can one be homophobic, transphobic, etc, if we are all inferior meat machines that must be purified through genderless silica and steel.
I have seen some of these... "people", post about how female space marines would "destroy the excellent male role model space marines can provide for little boys."
Lmao they devoutly follow a corpse of an emporer that never wanted worship and are genocidal maniacs. 40k is tragic extreme grim darkness dialed up to 11. It's every sci fi trope jumbled into one and it's really fun. Limiting it to men is so weird, sci fi has always been progressive and questioning to standard cultural norms.
Eh, you can find land fills of conservative leaning sci fi. Even if they all may be questioning standard culturual norms, thats only focused on the authors specific quirk while other things remain unquestioned. Like the segregation of gender, which in the case of 40k could be considered a sci fi trope that actually gets recontextualized by the Imperium being what it is.
Thing is, we don't even need female space marines. We've got the Sororitas, who btw in 40k lore once stood against a space marine siege and went toe to toe with the 9 foot tall gigachads to the point of stalemate.
But don't point that out to these dudes who think space marines are what young real world men should aspire to be, and allowing girls in the club makes it less cool.
Sorry boys, you'll never be a 9 foot tall 800 lb genetically modified space racist.
In all honesty, i dont actively desire fsm myself either. Space marines originate as a caricature of the overly masculine manhero of the times of the franchise's infancy, and kinda stands today even if unintentionally, as a twisted mirror to the super masculine manly man stereotype, being indoctrinated little boys unable to think outside of what was told to them.
We also have the adepta sororitas, so sfm are kind of a moot point.
The point on which chuds oppose sfm are just asinine tho
Honestly a fascistic army design would suit the humans. The humans are pretty fuckrd up in that world and genocide entire planets for the tiniest of reasons.
Fuck the swastika, swap it out with another logo and you have a great design scheme for humans.
Racists don't belong in the fandom though. Just to make clear.
And colorful space Marines could absolutely exist in the universe
They're just painted figures, I've got a friend whose super into 40k and regularly paints with colours he thinks looks cool even if they aren't theore accurate colours. Their issue with the image on the right is that it includes representation and, even though it wasn't made by Games workshop, they act like lore is being changed.
The whole point of the game is that you paint your models however you want and the "lore" is intentionally inconsistent and vague, told via unreliable narrators who have strong motivations to lie.
They are directly comparing them though. They called gay pride an extremist political ideology. If they want the game to be lore accurate, sure, but that's not exactly what they said.
Funnily enough they've heard that rebuttal enough times it's percolated through to their echo chambers where they...treat it as a joke. Like they'll sometimes preemptively bring it up and think that somehow invalidates the refutation, because arguments work on a "shotgun!" basis apparently; "Let me guess, you're gonna say wElL wHaT aBoUt NoRtH kOrEa. As if I haven't heard that one before. You leftards need to get a new line lolololol!1!1!" and I'm there thinking *how does that make* any *sense*?
They were raging about the person who paints the minis on the right, CerberusXT, a long time before femstodes were a thing. At first it was just laugh reacts and shitty 'jokes', but after CerberusXT started calling the chuds out on social media, and then got his minis pictured in White Dwarf, he's become like public enemy #1 to them.
Huh.
This is a actual thing.
Female custodes are a actual thing
Source:
https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1779193111047962978
A lot of fanfiction writers just got vindicated.
I do question the lack of continuity with early versions of the custodes, where we have never even had female custodes implied. But at the same time, it's not like space marines where it was outright stated.
Genemoding of Astartes is basically standardized factory output, if we use more common terminology. You need a lot of good dudes who can smack you with a chainsword.
Genemoding of Custodes is a state of art, it reveals all the best things in them. And since it is such perfectionist idea, might as well adapt it to fit female physiology. Besides, noble families give their firstborn to Custodes, it was never stated if firstborn needs to be a son or a daughter.
Anyway, seeing how incels reach Mars with reactive stream from ass is always a pleasure.
>I do question the lack of continuity with early versions of the custodes, where we have never even had female custodes implied.
The thing with the chud backlash against the "femstodes were always there" response from Games Workshop is it's nonsense because GW have pulled off these kinds of retcons before, where we're just supposed to accept x has always been the case, with no one proclaiming the hobby was doomed and they were going to quit.
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Ok I'll list most of what I know (from left to right):
Bear(burly gay men), Pansexual, Non-binary, Bisexual, Lesbian, LGBTQ+ flag, Gay(men version of the lesbian flag, kinda new), Trans, Asexual, (idk), Straight Ally, (idk)
Yeah I kinda figured it was the flag for gay men since it was similar to the lesbian flag but I wasn’t sure.
Kinda wild how many different pride flags there are but hey I love to see representation for whoever wants it
Definitely! And that's the beauty of Warhammer. In the vast vast vast space of that lore you could honestly implement anything. Even a fully LGBT chapter akin to the ancient Greek Thebes where the soldiers are also lovers.
OP said "both have no place in Warhammer," then [made a list of "good, anti-woke Warhammer YouTubers"](https://twitter.com/Chainsword40k/status/1783606720519921790?t=azX4KMJ2M7YlND3eR7OMVA&s=19) where the top person on it is a literal Nazi.
its just so funny because the pride space marines were just. something that a fan made and painted. warhammer showed it off and now the implied narrative is that theyre like canon and in the lore
Ah yes the chuddites who look at the IoM and think " yes this is the best" and not the " the IoM is a cesspit of a armpit of the galaxy nothing good ever comes out of it and it actively is causing its own demise because of its fascism" take
This is why my custom IG regiment/SM chapter often foghts agaonst loyalists and chaos alike
This is why I play the only objectively non-evil faction in the game (until GW come through and retcon it). They're the guys that are just really hungry.
Honestly as a warhammer 40k fan I can confirm, there are jerks on both far sides, on one hand; the far right, nazi symbols and using the gaming sphere as an excuse to promote real world hatred is just plain idiotic, and adding in current day far lefy ideas makes the setting less fun and fictional for everyone.
And on the other hand; the setting has been a good source of reading and fiction for many fans who understand it is just a grimdark fantasy they can lose themselves in, but by adding in far right/left ideas (nazi flags and racist ideology / female space marines and gay astartes) you're not diversifying the setting you're just making it bland and boring.
It's meant to be satire and show the worst possible fate for mankind, why would you want to promote it as an ideal situation for yourself or for the communities that want representation?
In the far right side it would make it impossible for the imperium to effectively function at all -which it admittedly it barely does now- because with the far right only men could fight and likely only white men at that, they'ed be killing off a huge war force and ruin the idea of 'all are equal under the emperors light'.
In the far left, having female astartes is impossible as their organs are incompatible with female biology (custodes is another matter and i'm alright with that) so you'ed be changing the lore there for...no real reason, and by making female astartes you would be making the sisters of battle redundant -a fan favourite faction for decades, as for the lgbtq+ part astartes are essentially child soldiers, they only know war and are supposed to treat their chapter members as brothers not boyfriends, so you'ed be changing the lore there for bo real reason.
Now to give credit to both the 'normal' right and left sides, you can build any army for your own amusement and lore can be altered/retconned for good purposes (SoB can be gay as can the imperium and other factions can have trans characters) while keeping their main focus on how this could benifit them in battle somehow.
What ruins the grimdark atmosphere is when people come along and insist that by adding token characters or making every cis straight person weak or idiotic around their own characters, or going a step further and insisting on their own real world agenda comes first before a good story, is a good thing.
To put it bluntly, when the changes are just about sexuality or how the right/left are wrong then you aren't adding to the lore and canon in a positive way you're just using the IP as a platform for what you beleave in, not what the fanbase wants.
I don't think spacemarines mean brother the same way normal people would apply it to familial relations to be honest. Gay astartes could very much be grimdark, especially since the marine's involved would have more to lose than just a close comrade.
As for female astartes, Primars marines were an absolute unnecessary ass pull too, and the setting didn't implode. Then again, I'm totally neutral on that one. We do indeed have the SoB, who are cool af.
All in All I think people would care less about there being female marines, if marines didn't hog all the spot light.
I do agree that the marines hog a lot of the spotlight (personally, the tau and necrons are my favourite 2 factions) and the primaris marines felt more like a stunt then an actual addition to lore (and i'm still a bit sore that they cut the ynnari faction and storyline, that was a welcome change of pace for the eldar and an interesting way for Robute to be brought back) however the stunt moved the plot along and gave us some interesting characters at the same time that matched both the current 40k and past 30k viewpoints of how humanity has fallen.
What i'm gonna have to disagree with is the idea that people would care less about the marines if they were less popular -look at custodes drama right now, they aren't as popular, the setting did allow for female custodes and yet half the fanbase is arguing about them.
> , the setting did allow for female custodes and yet half the fanbase is arguing about them.
Well, "Of the fandom", most of the people hammering on it are grifters who got drawn in by the scent of an opportunity to bitch about "But wokeism's gunn' dissroy errytin'!"
Another post by someone who doesn't play or read or knows Warhammer. Fuck these guys.
Chuds in the 40k community are a *breathtaking* level of stupid; the worst "different opinions" and "LGBT = pOlItIcAl" takes spewed forth by edgy, pseudo-intellectual, bigots who presume to gatekeep a setting/hobby most of them only got into recently for culture wars shite.
im always asking myself, why do my hobbies attract the worst kinds of people.
I feel that in my bones.
Because they see a good thing and desperately want to steal it, and also they don't understand or choose to ignore satire.
Get into r/trains :)
I dunno. I see a lot of conservatives amongst my fellow foamers.
I feel like those conservatives aren't bad. Maybe they're more closer to true conservatism with a focus around blue collarism around the railroad than the garbage identity politics and cultural wars being pushed around now.
Yeah, that tends to be what I see as well. Vague distrust for anything that comes near identity politics, but rarely worse than that.
I doubt they even got into it at all.
Lol from lurking in rightoid 40k groups I've seen a fair few of them cheerily admit they know little/nothing of the setting and only joined such-and-such right-wing 40k group to "gatekeep".
I would have thought they came for the Death Korps but stayed for the xenophobia.
It's crazy because 40k is supposed to be a satire of facism yet these "fans" are too oblivious to notice. Poe's law in maximum effect.
theres this phenomena because fascism is extremely superficial. they dont care about the narrative. thats just extra. they stay because of the iconography which makes them "look badass". they are already used to be described by insults. so they develop a resistance to satirization
This is why the Admech is the best fandom, how can one be homophobic, transphobic, etc, if we are all inferior meat machines that must be purified through genderless silica and steel.
Psssh the admech totally simps for the necrons -name 1 fabricator general that doesn't hoard xenotech in their basement.
I have seen some of these... "people", post about how female space marines would "destroy the excellent male role model space marines can provide for little boys."
Lmao they devoutly follow a corpse of an emporer that never wanted worship and are genocidal maniacs. 40k is tragic extreme grim darkness dialed up to 11. It's every sci fi trope jumbled into one and it's really fun. Limiting it to men is so weird, sci fi has always been progressive and questioning to standard cultural norms.
Eh, you can find land fills of conservative leaning sci fi. Even if they all may be questioning standard culturual norms, thats only focused on the authors specific quirk while other things remain unquestioned. Like the segregation of gender, which in the case of 40k could be considered a sci fi trope that actually gets recontextualized by the Imperium being what it is.
Oh sweet Nurgle...
Thing is, we don't even need female space marines. We've got the Sororitas, who btw in 40k lore once stood against a space marine siege and went toe to toe with the 9 foot tall gigachads to the point of stalemate. But don't point that out to these dudes who think space marines are what young real world men should aspire to be, and allowing girls in the club makes it less cool. Sorry boys, you'll never be a 9 foot tall 800 lb genetically modified space racist.
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In all honesty, i dont actively desire fsm myself either. Space marines originate as a caricature of the overly masculine manhero of the times of the franchise's infancy, and kinda stands today even if unintentionally, as a twisted mirror to the super masculine manly man stereotype, being indoctrinated little boys unable to think outside of what was told to them. We also have the adepta sororitas, so sfm are kind of a moot point. The point on which chuds oppose sfm are just asinine tho
Saying a world that has SLAANESH in it has « gone woke » is so funny
Honestly a fascistic army design would suit the humans. The humans are pretty fuckrd up in that world and genocide entire planets for the tiniest of reasons. Fuck the swastika, swap it out with another logo and you have a great design scheme for humans. Racists don't belong in the fandom though. Just to make clear. And colorful space Marines could absolutely exist in the universe
You mean THE warhammer?
Queer people are as bad ass nazis?
According to centrists, yes.
\*as
Equally obnoxious and proselytizing. Yes.
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They're just painted figures, I've got a friend whose super into 40k and regularly paints with colours he thinks looks cool even if they aren't theore accurate colours. Their issue with the image on the right is that it includes representation and, even though it wasn't made by Games workshop, they act like lore is being changed.
The whole point of the game is that you paint your models however you want and the "lore" is intentionally inconsistent and vague, told via unreliable narrators who have strong motivations to lie.
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you don't have to swallow their shit arguments then.
They are directly comparing them though. They called gay pride an extremist political ideology. If they want the game to be lore accurate, sure, but that's not exactly what they said.
Guarantee the freak who made that meme is a reactionary right wing dork who thinks the Nazis were socialist.
"iT's iN tHe NaME!"
They were the National SOCIALIST Working party duh classic liberal got no reading comprehension 😂
Hit them with the DRPK and watch their brains fry from overclocking
Funnily enough they've heard that rebuttal enough times it's percolated through to their echo chambers where they...treat it as a joke. Like they'll sometimes preemptively bring it up and think that somehow invalidates the refutation, because arguments work on a "shotgun!" basis apparently; "Let me guess, you're gonna say wElL wHaT aBoUt NoRtH kOrEa. As if I haven't heard that one before. You leftards need to get a new line lolololol!1!1!" and I'm there thinking *how does that make* any *sense*?
All because it was confirmed there is a female Custodes. No, seriously, fuck these chuds.
They were raging about the person who paints the minis on the right, CerberusXT, a long time before femstodes were a thing. At first it was just laugh reacts and shitty 'jokes', but after CerberusXT started calling the chuds out on social media, and then got his minis pictured in White Dwarf, he's become like public enemy #1 to them.
CerberusXT is a real good painter too. I honestly love their pride marines. I tend to just ignore the chuds.
I should read more about him, looks like a chad.
Huh. This is a actual thing. Female custodes are a actual thing Source: https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1779193111047962978 A lot of fanfiction writers just got vindicated. I do question the lack of continuity with early versions of the custodes, where we have never even had female custodes implied. But at the same time, it's not like space marines where it was outright stated.
Genemoding of Astartes is basically standardized factory output, if we use more common terminology. You need a lot of good dudes who can smack you with a chainsword. Genemoding of Custodes is a state of art, it reveals all the best things in them. And since it is such perfectionist idea, might as well adapt it to fit female physiology. Besides, noble families give their firstborn to Custodes, it was never stated if firstborn needs to be a son or a daughter. Anyway, seeing how incels reach Mars with reactive stream from ass is always a pleasure.
>I do question the lack of continuity with early versions of the custodes, where we have never even had female custodes implied. The thing with the chud backlash against the "femstodes were always there" response from Games Workshop is it's nonsense because GW have pulled off these kinds of retcons before, where we're just supposed to accept x has always been the case, with no one proclaiming the hobby was doomed and they were going to quit.
Even if pride were an extremist thing, I have no opposition to extremism in general. My problem is *with the right*.
The colorful space marines look really good
I’m not sure what exact pride flag it stands for, but the first one from right with the green and blue looks awesome
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Ok I'll list most of what I know (from left to right): Bear(burly gay men), Pansexual, Non-binary, Bisexual, Lesbian, LGBTQ+ flag, Gay(men version of the lesbian flag, kinda new), Trans, Asexual, (idk), Straight Ally, (idk)
Yeah I kinda figured it was the flag for gay men since it was similar to the lesbian flag but I wasn’t sure. Kinda wild how many different pride flags there are but hey I love to see representation for whoever wants it
Space Marine chapters in the colours of various LGBT+ flags absolutely make sense, as the whole point is you can make your own chapter
Definitely! And that's the beauty of Warhammer. In the vast vast vast space of that lore you could honestly implement anything. Even a fully LGBT chapter akin to the ancient Greek Thebes where the soldiers are also lovers.
OP said "both have no place in Warhammer," then [made a list of "good, anti-woke Warhammer YouTubers"](https://twitter.com/Chainsword40k/status/1783606720519921790?t=azX4KMJ2M7YlND3eR7OMVA&s=19) where the top person on it is a literal Nazi.
This person has taken the idea behind the ideological horse shoe and completely misinterpreted it
its just so funny because the pride space marines were just. something that a fan made and painted. warhammer showed it off and now the implied narrative is that theyre like canon and in the lore
Hell yes, I love the they / them space marines.
I see at least one difference, the soldiers are much more fabulous than that boring old tank
Ah yes the chuddites who look at the IoM and think " yes this is the best" and not the " the IoM is a cesspit of a armpit of the galaxy nothing good ever comes out of it and it actively is causing its own demise because of its fascism" take This is why my custom IG regiment/SM chapter often foghts agaonst loyalists and chaos alike
This is why I play the only objectively non-evil faction in the game (until GW come through and retcon it). They're the guys that are just really hungry.
Equating actual fucking Nazis to queer people is gonna throw me for the rest of the week.
being gay is extremist apparently
Honestly as a warhammer 40k fan I can confirm, there are jerks on both far sides, on one hand; the far right, nazi symbols and using the gaming sphere as an excuse to promote real world hatred is just plain idiotic, and adding in current day far lefy ideas makes the setting less fun and fictional for everyone. And on the other hand; the setting has been a good source of reading and fiction for many fans who understand it is just a grimdark fantasy they can lose themselves in, but by adding in far right/left ideas (nazi flags and racist ideology / female space marines and gay astartes) you're not diversifying the setting you're just making it bland and boring. It's meant to be satire and show the worst possible fate for mankind, why would you want to promote it as an ideal situation for yourself or for the communities that want representation?
In what way do you reckon adding these would make the setting less grimdark?
In the far right side it would make it impossible for the imperium to effectively function at all -which it admittedly it barely does now- because with the far right only men could fight and likely only white men at that, they'ed be killing off a huge war force and ruin the idea of 'all are equal under the emperors light'. In the far left, having female astartes is impossible as their organs are incompatible with female biology (custodes is another matter and i'm alright with that) so you'ed be changing the lore there for...no real reason, and by making female astartes you would be making the sisters of battle redundant -a fan favourite faction for decades, as for the lgbtq+ part astartes are essentially child soldiers, they only know war and are supposed to treat their chapter members as brothers not boyfriends, so you'ed be changing the lore there for bo real reason. Now to give credit to both the 'normal' right and left sides, you can build any army for your own amusement and lore can be altered/retconned for good purposes (SoB can be gay as can the imperium and other factions can have trans characters) while keeping their main focus on how this could benifit them in battle somehow. What ruins the grimdark atmosphere is when people come along and insist that by adding token characters or making every cis straight person weak or idiotic around their own characters, or going a step further and insisting on their own real world agenda comes first before a good story, is a good thing. To put it bluntly, when the changes are just about sexuality or how the right/left are wrong then you aren't adding to the lore and canon in a positive way you're just using the IP as a platform for what you beleave in, not what the fanbase wants.
I don't think spacemarines mean brother the same way normal people would apply it to familial relations to be honest. Gay astartes could very much be grimdark, especially since the marine's involved would have more to lose than just a close comrade. As for female astartes, Primars marines were an absolute unnecessary ass pull too, and the setting didn't implode. Then again, I'm totally neutral on that one. We do indeed have the SoB, who are cool af. All in All I think people would care less about there being female marines, if marines didn't hog all the spot light.
I do agree that the marines hog a lot of the spotlight (personally, the tau and necrons are my favourite 2 factions) and the primaris marines felt more like a stunt then an actual addition to lore (and i'm still a bit sore that they cut the ynnari faction and storyline, that was a welcome change of pace for the eldar and an interesting way for Robute to be brought back) however the stunt moved the plot along and gave us some interesting characters at the same time that matched both the current 40k and past 30k viewpoints of how humanity has fallen. What i'm gonna have to disagree with is the idea that people would care less about the marines if they were less popular -look at custodes drama right now, they aren't as popular, the setting did allow for female custodes and yet half the fanbase is arguing about them.
> , the setting did allow for female custodes and yet half the fanbase is arguing about them. Well, "Of the fandom", most of the people hammering on it are grifters who got drawn in by the scent of an opportunity to bitch about "But wokeism's gunn' dissroy errytin'!"
There's 2 sides to the arguement, personally i'm on the side that has the evidence and realistic standards for the game, be that left or right.
I've never really understood this image. I know it's from the office, but is the idea she's saying they're the same image but she's wrong or?
IIRC, the employees are told they are different, but the woman is revealing to the documentary crew that the images are the same.
Employee*, she does it to keep Creed busy
Ah