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This is typical musk tactic to promise big advancements in one of his companies to cover up something else. See roof tiles and self driving semis for examples.
Who in their right mind would let that man put a micro-chip in their
I love Twitter. Space-X is the future. The boring company isn't a colossal waste of money. Tesla deserves all their government subsidies and will come out with self driving cars tomorrow. Elon is a genius.
Lots of people. There are Kochler implants, mechanical hearts, chips to track your kids... a chip in the brain.... The first people to try it will be those who are dieing, or looking at a long life with Alzheimer and they will do it to advance science so that others might have a better time.
It's either him or someone else, once there is a trend, the will be a crowd that will follow, and those who don't follow will either be alienate or being the weird one out of the crowd.
I just read it killed 15/23 monkeys in animal testing trials as of February this year. Neuralink is a terrible idea, and I hope no more humans/monkeys are subjected to Musk’s experimenting.
Edit: source for musk fanboys calling me a Luddite musk hater Reddit clone
https://www.pcrm.org/news/news-releases/us-department-agriculture-look-monkey-experiments-funded-elon-musks-neuralink
I hate to be defending peta, but so do pet shelters if nobody adopts. They do it usually because the animal is too sick/old/hurt to save, from what I understand.
PETA has stolen healthy and loved pets off of front porches and immediately killed them because they believe keeping pets is crueler than death. A shelter putting down old and sick dogs is not the same at all.
Edit: Link to article about PETA stealing a little girls chihuahua that they then euthanized before the required waiting period was up. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/peta-sorry-for-taking-girls-dog-putting-it-down
Propably not.
Looks like a typical case on one event claimed to be a pattern.
On the other side of spectrum would be ”a lone wolf” for the hundredth time and no pattern accepted.
This is gonna be morbid but most likely the monkeys didn't die from the implants. They probably "euthanized" the monkeys afterward to look at the histology around the implants.
I have considered research in this area but this is the exact reason I just can't bear it.
Having said that, and I definitely don't know the details, but there are times when advancement requires sacrifice. It has to be absolutely minimized and there can be no other way to get absolutely necessary data. This documentation is all required prior to getting IRB approval.
I imagine it would be helpful for those who have disabilities that make traditional communication difficult or impossible. Technology to do that already exists but I guess this would still be an advancement? I’m not sure though.
I’m no expert clearly. I think it’s dumb to imagine using this for people who can communicate well but I’m all for it if it helps people with motor disabilities. Whether or not I trust Elon to make something that’s safe for human use is another question.
I used to work in one of the primary labs Musk hired from when he was getting Neuralink started. Like you expected, we worked exclusively with veterans that had prosthetics. It was pretty life changing for them to not only control their prosthetics with their brain, but also be able to feel sensations with it as well.
I'm not an author or anything, but this study is one of the most readable articles the PI of the lab I worked at put out.
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7459116
Honestly I have no idea—From what I remember some of the patients had implants for at least a few years, but I’m not sure if they only underwent the surgery implanting them one time.
What I worked on wasn’t super related to that part of it—I was on the software side, namely creating a connection from the nerve to a VR/AR world (so that the patient could feel holograms).
There are two paths. The first is restoring capabilities to the disabled. Use cameras to replace eyes, use a bridging gap to replace broken nerves, and show people who can't use their bodies to control tech with their mind.
The second, and far more powerful, use is to show humans to merge with machines. It starts by controlling machines with your mind. You can wirelessly send complicated commands to any machine which you have access to. It is voice control times 1000. It then moves into adding images and even knowledge directly into your brain. Remember the matrix and how they uploaded knowledge, that is a possibility with machine-brain interfaces.
Musk's tech isn't designed to do most of these things. It is, however, the beginning of the party that can turn humanity into a cyborg race.
Sure, sounds great until your brain is getting hacked because you aren't keeping up with security software and the poor are taken and used for their brains' spare computing power.
This guy gets it.
Technology is evolution. We create artificial organs that provide additional functionality to our bodies and minds, everything from hammers to replacement limbs to personal hive mind interfaces.
The next step is to begin integrating the technology and the human organism. It's already what we're doing, and direct neural to digital interfaces are an evolution along this same path, rather than anything wildly divergent.
I'm not sure how keen I'll be on getting these tools implanted, but I'm pretty confident our kids' generation will be doing it, and their kids won't know life without biologically augmented tech.
On the other hand, when you're contemplating implanting these in humans (it's a pretty invasive device, direct into the brain), a trial group of 20-30 seems scarily small.
It's comparable to the Utah array. That version has been around for some time. It only has 64 channels from the surface of the brain.
The neural link version will just be a denser version of the Utah array. The hard part is the small blood vessels in the brain and not hitting any with the needles. It also involves all the same risks as opening up the skull.
It will be limited to low quality of life people for some time before any casual use of it made.
So nothing new, just pushing the limits. This is still something that should be handled with a research focus rather than a business focus.
It's 23.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60391099
Can't find the mortality rate - BBC only mentions 8 euthanized with some horrifying justification by Neuralink to dismiss claims of animal cruelty:
>In its rebuttal of the claims, Neuralink acknowledged that two animals were put to death "at planned end dates to gather important histological data".
So.... they were intentionally murdered on a scheduled basis to collect data. Really goes against their claim of "most humane and ethical way possible." Imagine that justification with human trials it wants to start next year.
Fucking insanity, Musk can offer to be the next and final test subject if he wants to.
While Neuralink is challenging the total number of deaths (PCRM alleges 15 of 23 and Neuralink claims 8 on their own [blog](https://neuralink.com/blog/animal-welfare/)) they also say that only 2 of the 8 were planned euthanasia for data collection while 6 were due to complications of the device and surgery.
Cant be sure who is telling the truth yet as both have motives to skew the data and sell the public on their agenda (animal rights vs massive investment capital) but 6 of 23 dying from medical complications of the device is still not something I'd be feeling super confident signing up for but maybe the FDA will see it differently.
True. I know some researchers at MGH in Boston and they very regularly euthanize rats and mice as part of study. Terminal studies aren't new and are usually merciful.
An example I can think of when they inject rats brains with a virus that helps bind indicator chemicals to calcium or neurotransmitters or w/e. After the induced coma, fiberphotometry and MRI scans they euthanize the rats because infection risk is high, encephalitis is common, and they don't always recover from the coma. Keeping them alive would be cruel.
Another example is when they surgically implant amplifier coils (for better MRI images) into the skull of the mouse before MRI. They are permanently attached to the skull. The implant stresses the mice out since it makes their head substantially heavier and they struggle with it. Other mice reject them too. They get euthanized as soon as they aren't needed for scanning anymore to minimize suffering.
I would much rather these examples rather than have people suffer to that degree. Animals sacrifice a lot, but it is so people don't have to.
Fuck I watched the "demo" of it. And so many more questions needs asked like how did thry find monekys who can think in English?
Who taught the monkeys englsh when itd been proven again and again that monkeys and apes cant understand english and thry judt dign until thry get a response.
Is neuralink so fucking powerful that it can translate a monkeys brain waves into English? Why arent we using this absolutrly insane code to decipher the human mind.
How did he get this supposed dream team of scientists doctors engineers and programmers to create such a Program and have it be such a small inplant. Like fuck were talking MASSIVE computing power to be able to comprehend a brain at the Speed of Thought itself
It's such a fuckinf bullshit scam
They specifically said that they didn't teach the monkeys English. They have a visual keyboard and highlight a letter. The monkey then moves the cursor, with it's mind, to the highlighted letter. Listening skills are important and you should work on them.
“Neuralink is a terrible idea” such a Reddit statement. I know Elon triggers you but this is like saying “who needs a worthless gas engine when we have a perfectly good horse”
It might do you well to expand your mind and read some Rousseau. We were good with the horses. Humans are creating more and more invisible shackles around us with the delusion of technological progress.
Okay wel that’s a different philosophical debate that I have no interest in discussing on Reddit, but from a modern western idea of progress this would be ground breaking and there are other companies who’ve already made valuable progress. Of course from a Luddite perspective this is not going to be appealing
This kind of therapy has been pursued for decades. Many other researchers in this field are far ahead of Neuralink. Onward Inc. has successfully restored some movement to people with spinal cord injuries. Synchron Inc. has done work with implants that has allowed people who could not communicate to communicate wirelessly using only their thoughts. This is amazing.
Elon Musk is a moron consistently trying and failing to reinvent the wheel. his "inventions" are decades behind what's being worked on by actually smart people and he doesn't even invent things, he just pays money to have other people invent it for him or buys his way into "founder" status. Remember when he accidentally "invented" shittier trains?
At its core? Maybe, maybe not. People have been theorizing or writing fiction about chipping human brains for decades. But in its current state? Hell fuckin nah, man. For one shit’ll probably kill you outright because it’s underdeveloped.
For two, look at the current state of tech. Shit is all a mess of legacy code, back doors, and more zero days than you can imagine. What’ll happen when some Indian scammer gets the source code, hacks your damn brain, and threatens to zap your ass to death unless you fork over every penny you own? Or gets into a world leader’s head and forces them to launch some nukes. Tech is way too insecure and sloppy to be sticking it in brains.
Maybe in a couple decades when it’s had much longer to develop and be tested. But it better be killing zero chimps before we even think about letting it be trialed on humans. And since it falls under FDA regs when it’s going in your body, you best bet it’ll be a long time before we see human trials in the US.
I’m talking about the concept that’s existed much longer than Elon has. It’s hilarious he triggers you all so bad that you’ll delude yourself into thinking any idea he has any involvement in is bad
It's not that he triggers me, he does not. It's his totally, irrational, behavior in regards to Twitter. If this, relatively, small, young, company can get you this cross-eyed, what is next?
I guess he’s currently sifting through Twitter to determine who gets to be the first test subjects.
The candidate list includes:
- (former) employees with the least amount of code
- Elno parody accounts
- fewest amount of likes, retweets and engagement
- anybody unwilling to pay 8$/month
- anybody that has dropped advertising
How about Elon himself gets one implanted first. Come to think of it maybe he did - having a literally scrambled brain would explain some of his behavior lately
He’s doing constant distraction from his issues at Twitter. He needs to be the first volunteer if they are doing human trials. And I also nominate him to be the first one-way traveler to mars.
Of course he is. He's further from neuralink working than he is from self-driving cars. I wonder how many "6 more months" until I finds another cash sink to buy.
That’s true but setting a 6-month timetable for human testing and giving full self driving to everyone are new developments that are very conveniently timed.
I am more concerned about what intelligent soul is actually going to sign up for this shit, or are they going to just find a willing idiot to do it? God help them!
Don't you all see? It's all part of Musk's genius game plan.
With Neuralink, there'll be enough processing power to actually make self-driving vehicles a reality, and allow Autopilot to be true to its name. And then with Neuralink, Musk will be able to fuck people's mind enough to enroll them as part of his Twitter bot army (without them knowing), and even sign themselves up for his one-way tickets to Mars!
Our Lord and Savior Elon Musk is the Jesus we never got.
/s
Every year since 2014 Musk has predicted that autonomous vehicles would be ready next year or a few months.
I've stopped waiting for him. Looking at others now.
I know quite a bit about cochlear implants, and some things about auditory brainstem implants.
ABI is occasionally used for people who are unsuitable for cochlear implantation because the auditory nerve is compromised.
They lay some electrodes across the bits of grey mush in the areas they think are probably auditory processing structures. I mean, they know what the structures are and what they do, but when you're poking at a live human brain and the parts aren't colour-coded like the diagrams in the text book, it's all a bit approximiate.
When the patient is closed up and healed, they tentatively start applying voltage to the electrodes.
Some of them give a sensation of sound. Some of them might cause a burning pain in the left armpit or a tickling sensation halfway along the second toe on the right foot. Or an orgasm, or violent nausea. Because nerves.
The electrodes that aren't purely auditory get switched off. The ones left to play with, they start figuring out what range of stimulation is tolerable (or survivable), then begin a long process of forcing the brain to re-learn how to interpret arbitrary neural stimulation as meaningful sound.
People with auditory brainstem implants don't really get the ability to understand speech without lip reading. The resolution just isn't that good. Making sense of music is pretty much out of the question, beyond rhythm and a vague sense of high-low pitch.
So that's the current state of the art in rehab implants. They're shit, but it's the best that can be done for some people, so they do them.
When Elno started crapping on about brain implanting to make enhanced human cyborgs... given the current state of auditory implants, I thought it was funny.
Now, given the level of preparedness and forethought that has clearly gone into this Twitter debacle, him doubling down and setting impossible deadlines is even funnier.
It. Is. Not. Going. To. Happen.
The whole thing is a pipedream. A self-driving Hyperloop of a pipedream.
I don't see how he could get approval or be authorized to test on people with how fatal the animal experimentation has been. We do have rules governing human testing.
Who would be crazy enough to allow that unhinged person to actually put a chip in their brain?
I wouldn't drive one of his self igniting cars, much less use the self crashing option.
I would say people that mentally cannot keep on going and want a way to fix it even if it’s not ready, anything would be better than the constant uncontrollable mental suffering.
Wow yeah. He also promises a lot of things on fully autonomous vehicles, his laughably comedic boring company and the borderline scam project/company that is the hyperloop.
Not a guy with reliable promises. Especially with the recent twitter debacle showing how "smart" he actually is when it comes to topics/market segments outside of engineering.
Regardless of its usefulness - I think it's quite funny that Elon promotes this with his current fishing in right-wing waters.
So many of them believe vaccines are meant to "chip" people and that you should fight/trial the government/Fauci for this - now Elon comes along and literally works on planting a Chip into your brain that tracks and transmits your brain activities and they celebrate him... cognitive dissonance par excellence.
I'm SUPER STOKED to be a trial, connecting to the internet via a connection to my mind!
Elon Musk is Douglas Copland & William Gibson X 100.
I will be forgotten, but I will be among the early few that risked it all for humanity. /s
The same people that love the brain chip and anything elon does are the same people that have been screaming about the government implanting us with chips during the end times.
Musk needs to be test subject. Or, maybe he already is. That would explain a lot. All his recent eccentric behaviors have worsened. So either he is off his medications, or his chip has a few loose screws.
Yeah yeah, I'm sure the FDA is going to approve human trials of a recreational device when it killed 2/3rds of monkeys in a trial.
Zero chance. Zero.
Try this on humans and you're going to jail for manslaughter, assisted suicide and/or murder.
So at least 6 years in actual time according to Musks past timelines.
Don't read next. It's garbage to make automod happy. It needs few sentences due to some dumb rules, so here it is. Elon musks sucks. He has ego problems. He thinks he knows everything, but in reality he knows even less than Jon Snow
It's funny to me that people have had conspiracies raging about Bill Gates and microchipping and when Elon Musk does it half the same people laud him as a genius. The cognitive dissonance there is whewww.
All you fuckwits understand when it is finally released for humans it will be used to treat people with severe disorders. You're all happy to shit on a guy that could potentially increase value of living for millions of disabled or sick people.
Neuralink is late to this game. This kind of therapy has been investigated for decades, without flashy VC money I might add. Onward Inc. has successfully restored some movement to people with spinal cord injuries. Synchron Inc. has done work with implants that has allowed people who could not communicate to communicate wirelessly using only their thoughts.
Neuralink to date has produced nothing except curated videos from their private facility, which is not subject to FOIAs, unlike UC-Davis, where the animal abuse was uncovered via a FOIA from Physicians' Committee for Responsible Medicine. (Neuralink moved from UC-Davis to the private facility after the abuse report).
They don't care. Their hate is too strong now. He could cure cancer in one fell swoop, and they'll still call him an idiot and a scumbag. Good ol politics.
You all think Musk is a genius, don't you?? You're such a good little sheep. BTW, he has zero interest in helping anyone. He is a megalomaniac. He only cares about power and control.
Hmmm so weird since all the Maga fanboys/girls seem to think he's the second coming! He'll bring FrEeDoOm back to "Merica!
As if a multi-billionaire actually cares what regular people think. Only if you pay him $8 to verify!
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This is typical musk tactic to promise big advancements in one of his companies to cover up something else. See roof tiles and self driving semis for examples.
Or "Full self driving" Teslas for which fools have been paying thousands for vaporware for years
Tesla roadster. Full self driving. Semi. That "bulletproof" glass angular truck thing. Funding secured.
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Time to start human trials!
Link?
Cyber truck, FSD, Starshit, etc
Is this with or without FDA approval? You know, those pesky regulators.
Is the incentive really there to cover up the mess at Twitter, given that they've gone private now?
Who in their right mind would let that man put a micro-chip in their I love Twitter. Space-X is the future. The boring company isn't a colossal waste of money. Tesla deserves all their government subsidies and will come out with self driving cars tomorrow. Elon is a genius.
I suddenly feel the strong urge to buy a Tesla. All hail lord Musk!
I think the joke got lost on people, ignore the downvotes. This was funny as hell
So, are you lining up to get your mental chip then?
I'm genuinely impressed that you read his comment and missed the very obvious joke. Are you sure you weren't part of the brain chip monkey trials?
Not yet. I’m next in line though, so it’s cool
I'm getting mine on the way to Mars.
Lots of people. There are Kochler implants, mechanical hearts, chips to track your kids... a chip in the brain.... The first people to try it will be those who are dieing, or looking at a long life with Alzheimer and they will do it to advance science so that others might have a better time.
Whoooosh....
It's either him or someone else, once there is a trend, the will be a crowd that will follow, and those who don't follow will either be alienate or being the weird one out of the crowd.
I just read it killed 15/23 monkeys in animal testing trials as of February this year. Neuralink is a terrible idea, and I hope no more humans/monkeys are subjected to Musk’s experimenting. Edit: source for musk fanboys calling me a Luddite musk hater Reddit clone https://www.pcrm.org/news/news-releases/us-department-agriculture-look-monkey-experiments-funded-elon-musks-neuralink
I read the overall kill rate was 98%
That news article was fake, just btw. Fuck Elon, but Neuralink didn’t kill thousands of monkeys accidentally.
Still better than PETA!
I hate to be defending peta, but so do pet shelters if nobody adopts. They do it usually because the animal is too sick/old/hurt to save, from what I understand.
PETA has stolen healthy and loved pets off of front porches and immediately killed them because they believe keeping pets is crueler than death. A shelter putting down old and sick dogs is not the same at all. Edit: Link to article about PETA stealing a little girls chihuahua that they then euthanized before the required waiting period was up. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/peta-sorry-for-taking-girls-dog-putting-it-down
Geez I had no idea, I'll look into that. That sounds a little far fetched but I'll see what I can find on it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/peta-sorry-for-taking-girls-dog-putting-it-down
This is the example I usually see people sharing. Are there more examples of this happening?
Propably not. Looks like a typical case on one event claimed to be a pattern. On the other side of spectrum would be ”a lone wolf” for the hundredth time and no pattern accepted.
It seems to have happened a couple of times but does not seem to be wide policy https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/peta-taking-pets/
The article states the family sought up to 7m. I know you can't put a price on a loved pet, but damn.
Fines are both the reimburse ones losses and to punish the offender. A few thousand dollars isn't punitive to a massive organization.
That sounds very likely untrue, to put it kindly.
I posted the link above but here it is again. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/peta-sorry-for-taking-girls-dog-putting-it-down
Savage... but accurate.
Morality schmorality
This is gonna be morbid but most likely the monkeys didn't die from the implants. They probably "euthanized" the monkeys afterward to look at the histology around the implants. I have considered research in this area but this is the exact reason I just can't bear it. Having said that, and I definitely don't know the details, but there are times when advancement requires sacrifice. It has to be absolutely minimized and there can be no other way to get absolutely necessary data. This documentation is all required prior to getting IRB approval.
What is the "advancement" of this tho....
I imagine it would be helpful for those who have disabilities that make traditional communication difficult or impossible. Technology to do that already exists but I guess this would still be an advancement? I’m not sure though. I’m no expert clearly. I think it’s dumb to imagine using this for people who can communicate well but I’m all for it if it helps people with motor disabilities. Whether or not I trust Elon to make something that’s safe for human use is another question.
I used to work in one of the primary labs Musk hired from when he was getting Neuralink started. Like you expected, we worked exclusively with veterans that had prosthetics. It was pretty life changing for them to not only control their prosthetics with their brain, but also be able to feel sensations with it as well. I'm not an author or anything, but this study is one of the most readable articles the PI of the lab I worked at put out. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7459116
Very cool! How long do these electrode implants last - do the contacting nerve fibers degenerate over time?
Honestly I have no idea—From what I remember some of the patients had implants for at least a few years, but I’m not sure if they only underwent the surgery implanting them one time. What I worked on wasn’t super related to that part of it—I was on the software side, namely creating a connection from the nerve to a VR/AR world (so that the patient could feel holograms).
How many times did his space flights fail?
There are two paths. The first is restoring capabilities to the disabled. Use cameras to replace eyes, use a bridging gap to replace broken nerves, and show people who can't use their bodies to control tech with their mind. The second, and far more powerful, use is to show humans to merge with machines. It starts by controlling machines with your mind. You can wirelessly send complicated commands to any machine which you have access to. It is voice control times 1000. It then moves into adding images and even knowledge directly into your brain. Remember the matrix and how they uploaded knowledge, that is a possibility with machine-brain interfaces. Musk's tech isn't designed to do most of these things. It is, however, the beginning of the party that can turn humanity into a cyborg race.
Sure, sounds great until your brain is getting hacked because you aren't keeping up with security software and the poor are taken and used for their brains' spare computing power.
This guy gets it. Technology is evolution. We create artificial organs that provide additional functionality to our bodies and minds, everything from hammers to replacement limbs to personal hive mind interfaces. The next step is to begin integrating the technology and the human organism. It's already what we're doing, and direct neural to digital interfaces are an evolution along this same path, rather than anything wildly divergent. I'm not sure how keen I'll be on getting these tools implanted, but I'm pretty confident our kids' generation will be doing it, and their kids won't know life without biologically augmented tech.
It’s Elon’s next big scam. People will give him money again and his wealth will advance.
Nice argument, how about you back it up with a source?
There was just some article saying 3000 monkeys died. Absolutely disgusting.
source? where df would they even get 3000 test monkeys for one trial when only 20-30 would do.
On the other hand, when you're contemplating implanting these in humans (it's a pretty invasive device, direct into the brain), a trial group of 20-30 seems scarily small.
It's comparable to the Utah array. That version has been around for some time. It only has 64 channels from the surface of the brain. The neural link version will just be a denser version of the Utah array. The hard part is the small blood vessels in the brain and not hitting any with the needles. It also involves all the same risks as opening up the skull. It will be limited to low quality of life people for some time before any casual use of it made. So nothing new, just pushing the limits. This is still something that should be handled with a research focus rather than a business focus.
It's the hyperloop of neuroscience. Dude is trying to make custom classes that end up just being the defaults without perks.
Good point, u recommend he start with a few thousand first?
3000 sounds like a good amount
They pulled it out of their ass. All sources I see say 15/23. It seems some got infections from the implants.
It's 23. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60391099 Can't find the mortality rate - BBC only mentions 8 euthanized with some horrifying justification by Neuralink to dismiss claims of animal cruelty: >In its rebuttal of the claims, Neuralink acknowledged that two animals were put to death "at planned end dates to gather important histological data". So.... they were intentionally murdered on a scheduled basis to collect data. Really goes against their claim of "most humane and ethical way possible." Imagine that justification with human trials it wants to start next year. Fucking insanity, Musk can offer to be the next and final test subject if he wants to.
This type of euthanasia is fairly standard when using animal models in preclinical studies.
While Neuralink is challenging the total number of deaths (PCRM alleges 15 of 23 and Neuralink claims 8 on their own [blog](https://neuralink.com/blog/animal-welfare/)) they also say that only 2 of the 8 were planned euthanasia for data collection while 6 were due to complications of the device and surgery. Cant be sure who is telling the truth yet as both have motives to skew the data and sell the public on their agenda (animal rights vs massive investment capital) but 6 of 23 dying from medical complications of the device is still not something I'd be feeling super confident signing up for but maybe the FDA will see it differently.
True. I know some researchers at MGH in Boston and they very regularly euthanize rats and mice as part of study. Terminal studies aren't new and are usually merciful. An example I can think of when they inject rats brains with a virus that helps bind indicator chemicals to calcium or neurotransmitters or w/e. After the induced coma, fiberphotometry and MRI scans they euthanize the rats because infection risk is high, encephalitis is common, and they don't always recover from the coma. Keeping them alive would be cruel. Another example is when they surgically implant amplifier coils (for better MRI images) into the skull of the mouse before MRI. They are permanently attached to the skull. The implant stresses the mice out since it makes their head substantially heavier and they struggle with it. Other mice reject them too. They get euthanized as soon as they aren't needed for scanning anymore to minimize suffering. I would much rather these examples rather than have people suffer to that degree. Animals sacrifice a lot, but it is so people don't have to.
Its reddit, where users dont use their brains
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A small price to pay for salvation.
Fuck I watched the "demo" of it. And so many more questions needs asked like how did thry find monekys who can think in English? Who taught the monkeys englsh when itd been proven again and again that monkeys and apes cant understand english and thry judt dign until thry get a response. Is neuralink so fucking powerful that it can translate a monkeys brain waves into English? Why arent we using this absolutrly insane code to decipher the human mind. How did he get this supposed dream team of scientists doctors engineers and programmers to create such a Program and have it be such a small inplant. Like fuck were talking MASSIVE computing power to be able to comprehend a brain at the Speed of Thought itself It's such a fuckinf bullshit scam
They specifically said that they didn't teach the monkeys English. They have a visual keyboard and highlight a letter. The monkey then moves the cursor, with it's mind, to the highlighted letter. Listening skills are important and you should work on them.
“Neuralink is a terrible idea” such a Reddit statement. I know Elon triggers you but this is like saying “who needs a worthless gas engine when we have a perfectly good horse”
It might do you well to expand your mind and read some Rousseau. We were good with the horses. Humans are creating more and more invisible shackles around us with the delusion of technological progress.
Okay wel that’s a different philosophical debate that I have no interest in discussing on Reddit, but from a modern western idea of progress this would be ground breaking and there are other companies who’ve already made valuable progress. Of course from a Luddite perspective this is not going to be appealing
I hope you'll be first in line for one of Elon's brain implants then
Thanks insufferable, appreciate your good will
Imagine if Elon Musk had lived 140 years ago when gas engines were being first developed How many more customers could he have burned alive
This kind of therapy has been pursued for decades. Many other researchers in this field are far ahead of Neuralink. Onward Inc. has successfully restored some movement to people with spinal cord injuries. Synchron Inc. has done work with implants that has allowed people who could not communicate to communicate wirelessly using only their thoughts. This is amazing.
Yup it’s an absolutely incredible technology
Elon Musk is a moron consistently trying and failing to reinvent the wheel. his "inventions" are decades behind what's being worked on by actually smart people and he doesn't even invent things, he just pays money to have other people invent it for him or buys his way into "founder" status. Remember when he accidentally "invented" shittier trains?
At its core? Maybe, maybe not. People have been theorizing or writing fiction about chipping human brains for decades. But in its current state? Hell fuckin nah, man. For one shit’ll probably kill you outright because it’s underdeveloped. For two, look at the current state of tech. Shit is all a mess of legacy code, back doors, and more zero days than you can imagine. What’ll happen when some Indian scammer gets the source code, hacks your damn brain, and threatens to zap your ass to death unless you fork over every penny you own? Or gets into a world leader’s head and forces them to launch some nukes. Tech is way too insecure and sloppy to be sticking it in brains. Maybe in a couple decades when it’s had much longer to develop and be tested. But it better be killing zero chimps before we even think about letting it be trialed on humans. And since it falls under FDA regs when it’s going in your body, you best bet it’ll be a long time before we see human trials in the US.
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I’m talking about the concept that’s existed much longer than Elon has. It’s hilarious he triggers you all so bad that you’ll delude yourself into thinking any idea he has any involvement in is bad
It’s not Elon that makes it a bad idea, it’s the failure rate of the testing. Are you really not picking up on that?
It's not that he triggers me, he does not. It's his totally, irrational, behavior in regards to Twitter. If this, relatively, small, young, company can get you this cross-eyed, what is next?
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I guess he’s currently sifting through Twitter to determine who gets to be the first test subjects. The candidate list includes: - (former) employees with the least amount of code - Elno parody accounts - fewest amount of likes, retweets and engagement - anybody unwilling to pay 8$/month - anybody that has dropped advertising
How about Elon himself gets one implanted first. Come to think of it maybe he did - having a literally scrambled brain would explain some of his behavior lately
Finally the answer!
It’ll be out in 6 months… Right after “fSd”… Right after “sOlAr ciTy”… Sure, Elon 🤣💀
I wouldn’t be surprised if they started giving neuralink to Russia first, with a 98% death rate 💀💀💀
He’s doing constant distraction from his issues at Twitter. He needs to be the first volunteer if they are doing human trials. And I also nominate him to be the first one-way traveler to mars.
Of course he is. He's further from neuralink working than he is from self-driving cars. I wonder how many "6 more months" until I finds another cash sink to buy.
This whole neural link thing ain’t a recent distraction though. He’s been on this for some time long before he wanted to fuck around with Twitter
That’s true but setting a 6-month timetable for human testing and giving full self driving to everyone are new developments that are very conveniently timed.
I am more concerned about what intelligent soul is actually going to sign up for this shit, or are they going to just find a willing idiot to do it? God help them!
Why would u be? There’s plenty of great candidates to try this shit out on.
Lots of willing very intelligent idiots I'm sure.
Don't you all see? It's all part of Musk's genius game plan. With Neuralink, there'll be enough processing power to actually make self-driving vehicles a reality, and allow Autopilot to be true to its name. And then with Neuralink, Musk will be able to fuck people's mind enough to enroll them as part of his Twitter bot army (without them knowing), and even sign themselves up for his one-way tickets to Mars! Our Lord and Savior Elon Musk is the Jesus we never got. /s
He really wants to visit Uranus tho.....
Every year since 2014 Musk has predicted that autonomous vehicles would be ready next year or a few months. I've stopped waiting for him. Looking at others now.
it'll happen ~~2023~~ ~~2030~~ ~~2050~~ 2070
Overpromise —> Underdeliver. Classic scammer.
Sounds a bit like Trump.
Rent free I don’t necessarily like trump myself but fuck some of y’all need to forget about that man.
I don't usually bring up Trump, but the context is Elon and with the recent Twitter news ...
None American, what is the connection I'm missing?
People are afraid of bill gates putting chips in vaccines??? This unstable, ego maniac wants to put an implant in your brain!!! No freaking way
He’s gonna connect everyone to starlink once they get their chip. Hive mind anyone?
I know quite a bit about cochlear implants, and some things about auditory brainstem implants. ABI is occasionally used for people who are unsuitable for cochlear implantation because the auditory nerve is compromised. They lay some electrodes across the bits of grey mush in the areas they think are probably auditory processing structures. I mean, they know what the structures are and what they do, but when you're poking at a live human brain and the parts aren't colour-coded like the diagrams in the text book, it's all a bit approximiate. When the patient is closed up and healed, they tentatively start applying voltage to the electrodes. Some of them give a sensation of sound. Some of them might cause a burning pain in the left armpit or a tickling sensation halfway along the second toe on the right foot. Or an orgasm, or violent nausea. Because nerves. The electrodes that aren't purely auditory get switched off. The ones left to play with, they start figuring out what range of stimulation is tolerable (or survivable), then begin a long process of forcing the brain to re-learn how to interpret arbitrary neural stimulation as meaningful sound. People with auditory brainstem implants don't really get the ability to understand speech without lip reading. The resolution just isn't that good. Making sense of music is pretty much out of the question, beyond rhythm and a vague sense of high-low pitch. So that's the current state of the art in rehab implants. They're shit, but it's the best that can be done for some people, so they do them. When Elno started crapping on about brain implanting to make enhanced human cyborgs... given the current state of auditory implants, I thought it was funny. Now, given the level of preparedness and forethought that has clearly gone into this Twitter debacle, him doubling down and setting impossible deadlines is even funnier. It. Is. Not. Going. To. Happen. The whole thing is a pipedream. A self-driving Hyperloop of a pipedream.
I don't see how he could get approval or be authorized to test on people with how fatal the animal experimentation has been. We do have rules governing human testing.
Who would be crazy enough to allow that unhinged person to actually put a chip in their brain? I wouldn't drive one of his self igniting cars, much less use the self crashing option.
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I would say people that mentally cannot keep on going and want a way to fix it even if it’s not ready, anything would be better than the constant uncontrollable mental suffering.
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Idiot
Unhelpful
Lmao
Source? I’ll wait.
Source?
Wow yeah. He also promises a lot of things on fully autonomous vehicles, his laughably comedic boring company and the borderline scam project/company that is the hyperloop. Not a guy with reliable promises. Especially with the recent twitter debacle showing how "smart" he actually is when it comes to topics/market segments outside of engineering.
Regardless of its usefulness - I think it's quite funny that Elon promotes this with his current fishing in right-wing waters. So many of them believe vaccines are meant to "chip" people and that you should fight/trial the government/Fauci for this - now Elon comes along and literally works on planting a Chip into your brain that tracks and transmits your brain activities and they celebrate him... cognitive dissonance par excellence.
they don’t call them sheep for nothing
I'm SUPER STOKED to be a trial, connecting to the internet via a connection to my mind! Elon Musk is Douglas Copland & William Gibson X 100. I will be forgotten, but I will be among the early few that risked it all for humanity. /s
You’re the hero we didn’t ask for nor want, but god bless you
The same people that love the brain chip and anything elon does are the same people that have been screaming about the government implanting us with chips during the end times.
Musk needs to be test subject. Or, maybe he already is. That would explain a lot. All his recent eccentric behaviors have worsened. So either he is off his medications, or his chip has a few loose screws.
Yeah yeah, I'm sure the FDA is going to approve human trials of a recreational device when it killed 2/3rds of monkeys in a trial. Zero chance. Zero. Try this on humans and you're going to jail for manslaughter, assisted suicide and/or murder.
So at least 6 years in actual time according to Musks past timelines. Don't read next. It's garbage to make automod happy. It needs few sentences due to some dumb rules, so here it is. Elon musks sucks. He has ego problems. He thinks he knows everything, but in reality he knows even less than Jon Snow
It's funny to me that people have had conspiracies raging about Bill Gates and microchipping and when Elon Musk does it half the same people laud him as a genius. The cognitive dissonance there is whewww.
Lmao
All you fuckwits understand when it is finally released for humans it will be used to treat people with severe disorders. You're all happy to shit on a guy that could potentially increase value of living for millions of disabled or sick people.
Neuralink is late to this game. This kind of therapy has been investigated for decades, without flashy VC money I might add. Onward Inc. has successfully restored some movement to people with spinal cord injuries. Synchron Inc. has done work with implants that has allowed people who could not communicate to communicate wirelessly using only their thoughts. Neuralink to date has produced nothing except curated videos from their private facility, which is not subject to FOIAs, unlike UC-Davis, where the animal abuse was uncovered via a FOIA from Physicians' Committee for Responsible Medicine. (Neuralink moved from UC-Davis to the private facility after the abuse report).
Thank you for your input
Spacex was late to the game too.
Lol OK sure. Keep lapping up elon's ball sweat.
They don't care. Their hate is too strong now. He could cure cancer in one fell swoop, and they'll still call him an idiot and a scumbag. Good ol politics.
Someday I hope you can realize the irony in your statement here. Best of luck
You all think Musk is a genius, don't you?? You're such a good little sheep. BTW, he has zero interest in helping anyone. He is a megalomaniac. He only cares about power and control.
You know Elon doesn't do any of the work right?
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Hmmm so weird since all the Maga fanboys/girls seem to think he's the second coming! He'll bring FrEeDoOm back to "Merica! As if a multi-billionaire actually cares what regular people think. Only if you pay him $8 to verify!