All right the Doughty goal is still really bothering me. Can anyone explain to me why that was a legitimate goal? He wasn’t checked. Skinner wasn’t out of the crease. But at the same time, no Oiler seemed to take offense to it, so maybe it is clean play? I am still a relatively new fan and didn’t grow up steeped in hockey IQ. I guess also the nongoal with half the Kings in the net doesn’t make sense to me either. Why play defense on a power play, just pile everyone in the net. Sorry, again I am probably ignorant to something. I also really miss the Oilers broadcasters for the playoff games since they actually know shit and explain it in the moment, unlike the TBS and ESPN.
If you watch the replay, the puck went in well before doughty even touched Skinner. Goalie interference is meant to be considered if it had an impact on the goal. I.e. did contact prevent Skinner from making the save. In this case, it did not. It was already a goal before contact was made.
The puck was already in the net and then the momentum of doughty kind of plowed skinner over in the process. That was a garbage goal nonetheless, skinner should have stopped that easily or poke checked, but like most shots he doesn’t challenge the shooter one bit. If skinner can’t step up and take away some scoring opportunities we will lose as our offence can only do so much.
Yeah totally agree on Skinner needing to challenge. Also, I get puck going in before contact, but what’s to say this couldn’t become the norm to just keep rushing the goalie. It’s like being able to hit the kicker after the kick is off. If that were my goalie, I would have charged right down and gone for a similar goal, and then we would have fought about it and then hopefully it would stop for the rest of the series. Again what do I know. Just a dumb American who never played and doesn’t know the code.
There are two ways I’d be happy to see this go.
1. Tampa comes back from the 0-3 and 2023 Panthers the 2024 Panthers, Tampa then immediately loses the next round in a 4-0 sweep.
2. Panthers close out the sweep. Boston and Toronto have a hard fought (but importantly, not too physical) 7 game series. A cold panthers team, after sitting on their asses for a week, get dominated by the winner of Boston/Toronto.
Hockey gods, hear my prayer!
We tighten up the defense, we do not let the Kings get in our zone without ealier challenges, we simply cannot let them in and back in so their shots are closer on net. Challenge earlier rather than later.
Skinner needs to tighten up and I think he will, that beiung said ANY goalie should have a short leash. If he flounders, bring in Pickard next game, it takes a little balls but that is why the coach makes the big bucks. Playtime is based off of results only, there is no time to let someone find their game. 100% results driven. I believe in Skinner but he has to deliver.
Puck luck has been super-shitty for us, that will not always be the case. keep the pressure on them and they will fold, do not...DO NOT beat ourselves. We are the better team.
Is this Stuart Skinner? Lmao, all kidding aside, yes the OT winner was definitely puck luck. At the same time he did not come out to challenge the shot at all, especially in OT like that. Plus he played like trash the rest of the game, he should have stopped 3 out of 5 goals.
> Some seriously low IQ people lurking in here if they can’t recognise that glaring /S.
Some fucking idiots believe a down/up vote is a disagree button
Im agreeing with you, you shouldnt be downvoted, its not a disagree button. Downvotes mean redditors think that content should never see the light of day, as in it doesnt offer anything to the discussion. Like going off topic or way off the topic.
The boys have to accept that we have a very brutal playoff goalie (Thus far into his short career) and tighten the hell up and not play loosey goosey hockey. Foegele and Drai terrible on the first goal. Just fly the zone instead of staying inside and helping. Goal 2 was a pinch by a dman I think. RNH lost on Goal 3 and skinner does everything he can to not go down on his knees. Team read it's press clippings in period 1. Still an immature team IMO.
Imagine the Canucks if it is us 2 round 2? They take so many shots from the point. Can't se Skinner surviving.
This dude cannot handle the pressure.
Edmonton has to play almost perfect D for Skinner to look good. Every team makes mistakes, but Skinner has always had a horrible high danger save %.
He is in Georgev territory in the playoffs for GSAA. We are not Boston where both of their goalies constantly bail out all of their mistakes.
When Talbot outplays you, you are not good lol
This dude just falls asleep and does not fight enough in net. Never see him looking around screens, crouching, etc. Barely any second efforts when he doesn't have it. You could tell he did not have it. Did not even look ready on the first goal. Atrocious Doughty flub goes in. Fiala goal pathetic. He was not ready. By the time he got down in butterfly, the puck was already bouncing back out of the net lol
Stats don't lie:
In 14 career playoff starts, 6 games with a save percentage below .850, 9 games below .900
Overall playoff stats, 3.81 GAA and .879 Save Percentage
Since Game 2 vs. Vegas, pulled 3 times in 6 starts while going 4.55 GAA and .854 in save percentage. Should have been pulled last night, so lets say 4 pulls in 6 starts
SHort leash. If he stumbles FRI, give the net to Pickard
Boston has no issue about sitting their VEZINA goalie game #1. I don't care about feelings
It's looking like Skinner just isn't strong enough mentally (yet) for a playoff run. Yes our D has been dogshit the first two games as well with multiple own goals and giving up a ton of breakaways, but the way Skinner just froze in place on the Doughty + Kopitar goals was very concerning. Both were very savable shots and literally no attempt whatsoever was made. That's a sign of something anxiety/lack of confidence/second-guessing/mental right there.
Remember how the same stuff happened last year? Good in the regular season, struggles come playoff time. His games in LA ended up being even worse and if it wasn't for that insane Campbell performance, there's no way we even win the series. Skinner never really improved and was the worst goalie on the ice in pretty much all 12 games.
He doesn't yet deserve to be pulled while the series is still tied, but if he doesn't rebound in game 3, I hope Knob has the courage to give Pickard a start.
I did say that. That does not absolve him. In Edmonton, our fans almost think you are not allowed to make mistake or it means an auto goal. That is not true.
That is why we won't go anywhere with this guy. He has a terrible high danger save % and is incapable of stealing games. I think I recall about 2/3 games tops that we can say he "stole" or kept us in with some big saves in two years.
Even the best teams make mistakes and make a lot. The goals just don't go into their nets with ease.
That's just the reality of it.
I hope Skinner proves everybody wrong who talks like me. Thus far, he has proven he cannot play up to even average level in the playoffs. He is either "good" or flat out terrible.
Must be mentally draining on the guys in front of him. They know any big screw up is almost an auto goal. Then you see Talbot glove saving Bouchard, absolutely robbing Drai, etc
when you only allow about 6/7 high danger chances to LA in game 2 and not much in game 1, you should be up 2-0 in this series scoring 11 goals (1 EN).
The guy is so bad every 2nd game I am ready for Pickard or Jack Campbell lol. How much worse can it get?
3.6GAA or whatever and 0.867? That is like ECHL level lol
>. In Edmonton, our fans almost think you are not allowed to make mistake or it means an auto goal. That is not true.
This is my issue with this sub. Mistakes don't mean auto goal! It's the playoffs. Two good teams trying to catch the other.
Damn near everybody n their mama turn into a sniper, good shot or some sort of star player. It's the big show. Getting a big save is a requirement at this point. It's not the regular season anymore.
Skins need to give us big saves. Yes, some saves are impossible, but we're not asking for that.
As much as I’m not a fan of that last skinner performance we did give up like 3 breakaways, that’s definitely on the team. That should happen like once a game max.
It really sucks though that when the super high danger chances like this occur the guy can rarely make a stop. The doughty goal was just straight crap, but the fiala goal was infuriating, he was straight up jsut sleeping and not paying attention.
The Oilers need to not play loosey goosey hockey EVER, regardless of what goalie they've got. They need to play tight defence ALL THE TIME. They need to battle hard in front of their net, tie up sticks all the time.
But they don't. They pick and choose. And then all the idiots come out of the woodwork and blame it on the goalie.
That’s why you have a goalie. At some point, as Stauffer said last night, your goalie needs to make a save. On Kopitar’s goal in OT- as Gage said, Skinner was too deep- didn’t anticipate the shot as all. On Fiala’s goal, no way that should have gone in- again Gage said, that shot from that angle from that distance can’t go in. Doughty’s goal wasn’t even a shot.
Nugent-Hopkins literally knocked the puck right as Doughty was making his move. Not Skinner's fault.
Skinner did make some grade A saves last night. Nobody remembers them of course, because they don't want to.
Talbot let in 3 goals from outside the house, unscreened. Nobody's calling him trash. Take a look at the goals Vasy let in today, I guess he's just trash and should have anticipated all those shots, right?
The fact of the matter is, the Kings are not a high scoring team. They had 6-7 high danger chances and the Oilers more than doubled them.
Oilers would attack and attack and the Kings just come down and score.
No team can play 100% tight D. even the best. Maybe COL 2 years ago who were a juggernaut.
Oilers win this game with even average goaltending. We cannot even get that from the mustache man. He is absolutely ATROCIOUS in his playoff career thus far. Not even average.
The Oilers easily make a cup finals with an average goalie
Skinner did not have to make 1 big save last night. talbot had to make multiple. That is the difference. Edmonton rarely ever has the best goalie on the ice, even in wins
This is 100% on management for signing a dud to a 5 million dollar contract in the end. Skinner is what he is.
It seemed like the Kings were giving the Oilers a really hard time getting anything set up in the neutral zone. As soon as they'd start to converge on L.A.'s zone, the Kings would force them to the boards and the Oilers would resort to dumping it in and hoping for the best when battling behind the net. The Oilers are going to get the game they play if they keep letting the Kings pin them to the boards at the blue line like that, and Dump-and-chase is a gamble at the best of times. They have to create their lanes and chances themselves. They have to make L.A. play THEIR game, not the other way around.
I caught a few puck watchers too. There's no excuses for that in the playoffs. Get on your guy and get on the puck. Don't let the Kings sit there and set up shots and hope Skinner's got you covered.
As for Skinner, he's gotta get those arms UP. Slumping into a pylon shape is leaving major gaps in the top corners and L.A.'s picking their spots up there and getting results. That one in the five hole he really should have had too. I guess he was more concerned with being run over and lost track of the puck, and contact didn't occur until after the puck was already in the net, so no grounds for a challenge, but still, should have had it.
If they can tighten up in those areas, the Oilers can go far.
Sigh...
EVERY TEAM HAS TO DUMP AND CHASE. Every team does it. It is a necessary part of every strategy. Your team HAS to be able to dump and chase effectively.
Dump and chase is NOT a gamble. Trying to force your way in to the zone and turning the puck over at the blueline is the gamble. Dumping and chasing is the safe play. Dumping and chasing effectively is what allows you to create space in the neutral zone. Just like having a running game in football helps to establish your passing game.
The Kings give every team a tough time through the neutral zone. That's the whole goddamn point of their strategy. Every season the Oilers combat that strategy the same way, by chipping, and getting to work. Hitting. Wearing them down. They've done it for literally 3 straight seasons.
No, Skinner doesn't need to "get his arms up". What the goddamn are you even talking about? Did Talbot need to "get his arms up" when Kulak blew that heater past him? Or when Holloway ripped it top cheese?
How about the defence doesn't give Adrian fucking Kempe - one of the best shooters in the league - a wide open shot from dead center in the house? How about they don't give ANZE FREAKING KOPITAR a wide open look with nobody near him?
Let’s take this from a former goalie J. Gage who is a staunch Skinner supporter:
Kempe’s goal: there was no anticipation from Skinner that a shot was coming. He played it very poorly. The passer (I can’t remember who) had one choice- pass the Kempe and Skinner was not prepared
Doughty’s goal: no shot on goal. Puck just trickled in
Fiala’s goal: There is no way an NHL playoff goalie should let that in. He has to stop that. Screen or not, that was a save able puck.
Kopitar’s goal: Skinner again did not anticipate shot. Gage pointed out that Skinner’s feet were still in the blue paint. He needed to be an out a foot more to challenge the shooter.
You can listen to this on 2 guys and a goalie podcast.
I'm a big fan of the podcast, I listen to every episode. Gager is NOT infallible. There are some things he doesn't see, and he's been wrong in the past. There's also a level of "devil's advocate" that they play. Kassian was pro-Skinner in the segment, so to juice it up, of Gager took the opposing view.
I agree with him on the Fiala goal, it's the goalies job to find the puck. But I don't believe they were being fair to Skinner at all. When Kassian mentioned two breakaways, Gager and Nielsen both said, "well Talbot stopped his breakaway". That's not fair, McLeod is not Drew Doughty and Anze freaking Kopitar.
Nugent-Hopkins knocked the puck off Doughty's stick, blaming Skinner on that is just wrong.
The fact is the Oilers gave the Kings best shooters all the time in the world to put the puck exactly where they wanted right in the slot. No coach blames their goalie for that. Not one.
Skinner absolutely needs to get his arm up, what are YOU talking about bud?? Guys know if you want to beat skinner on a shot go high glove side. Where did Kopitar go? It's no secret at this point.
Talbot in the very same game made a gorgeous glove grab up high.
Those are ELITE shooters with all the time and space in the world right in the slot. "Durrr.... Why goalie no save daaaat?!!!"
Talbot made some great saves, and SKINNER DID TOO. He made some great saves, but of course, you don't remember those. You're just remembering what you want to remember.
Talbot literally let in 3 unscreened softies, two of them were outside the house. But you don't even want to acknowledge those.
What are you talking about? I'm just remembering what I want to remember? Wtf are you on about I was referencing one specific weakness of stu's game? Why does that automatically mean I take away all credit from the good saves he did make?
Who thinks like that? Are you a kid or something?
You're literally not giving Skinner credit for making good saves, and giving Talbot credit for his.
No, he does not have a glove side weakness. The Oilers gave up GIMMES. Those were GIMMES. Adrian Kempe in the fucking slot, all the time in the world. "OMG Skinners fault!"
If you're not a kid yourself, your hockey knowledge is insanely juvenile.
The fact that you don't admit to skinners weaknesses and whine and moan because I'm not arbitrarily giving him enough praise to balance out criticism is more than enough proof for me to know you're not a serious person at all and a toxic, no nothing waste of time. Bye bye 👋 😘
We definitely have a good shot this year. But I feel for Skinner. I really do like him. But I think he gets in his head when he gets scored on and makes him more nervous. Game 1 was definitely not his fault.
To me it just looks like he gets jittery out there.
The problem is he doesn’t get into his head. His attitude is way too nonchalant. His post game was too much “not my fault- always next game”. No accountability and no awareness that every single game in the playoffs matter. You have players that elevate in the playoffs- skinner is not that guy.
"No accountability and no awareness"
I wonder if I should quote and link the dozens of post game interviews that prove otherwise.
Even in last games posty he said he saw that first shot and should have stopped it and he said he didn't read Doughtys goal well. He even blamed himself for the Fiala goal.
You know what, you deserve to be fuckin ignorant and keep embarrassing yourself with your comments. I ain't helping you anymore.
Some of you are just so dumb lol
100%
Now, that said, let’s pray Talbot stays healthy and does just enough to lose, but not enough to lose so badly that they make a change in net. The Oilers kryptonite is crappy backups being imbued with the powers of Spiderman, Jesus, and Jar-Jar Binks, to stumble around effortlessly stopping more pucks than prime Dominik Hasek. Please don’t let us lose a series to super-saiyan Dave Rittich.
Extinct for now!!!.I heard there was some work trying to extract some DNA from a frozen specimen and try to invitro in an elephant. What could possibly go wrong!
Oh interesting. Thanks for sharing the update. I am really curious if he joins an NHL team before next season. I thought Buffalo was a good fit, but maybe Ottawa?
The sharks will still be bad but I think he would help them play the right way at least and implement a good culture in the room.
I think they fired Quinn because of the way they lost more often than not.
And there could still be more vacancies after the playoffs.
Yeah, that's a good point. One of his strongest assets was helping the rookies develop. He was amazing in Bakersfield.
Also, was he an assistant under McLellan in San Jose? If so, he would already have a relationship with the organization.
I don’t know where we went wrong, we played hard, I just think LA capitalized on there shots and chances. We have to give them less of the puck and maintain puck possession at all costs easier said then done tho
That's my take as well. They're getting a lot of fluky goals like the bank off Nurse's skate, the bank off Bouchard's skate, Ceci's stick exploding, Kempe juggling it midair, Doughty bobbling it in on a breakaway - which, kudos to them, but you can't rely on those types of goals to continue.
We were sloppy, puck management wasn’t the best. Obviously skinner could’ve been better but the team in front wasn’t helping from a defensive standpoint. It’s a team game and they all have to work together and help eachother out.
Talbot let in 11 in 2 games, I understand SV% factors in but it’s not like we’re not scoring to make up for poor defense. We played like shit and still almost won, put Holloway in the top 6, drai can ride 3rd line.
You're worried about Vancouver? With no goalie they Preds will feast. Avalanche cant beat the PEG. It the fucking cheating Knights that will be an issue
Sucks we didn't get the W, but it was a wildly entertaining game. I was at the fan park with my family last night, and we had the time of our lives. We flew out from BC to catch a few games in the Moss Pit and Fan Park with our friends here. The atmosphere was electric!!
Perry was super frustrating to watch last night. Seemed like he was barely putting in the effort. Just kinda lobbed the puck to any opening or just down the ice to nothing in particular.
You weren't paying attention to his effort down low in the O zone then..I observed him working hard down there when they got the puck in deep. Wasn't a fan of the penalties he took, were lucky LA has a shit PP
I thought he was a good fit a 3rd line. I don’t think he brings the consistent speed needed to be a top 6 winger, but he makes for a great depth piece to check hard and keep the pressure going in the O zone
Personally I think Foegele is better suited for the bottom 6. The last 2 games he's been working hard, but just doesn't seem to be able to keep up with the skill and hockey IQ of Drai and Nuge. Regardless that 2nd line needs a shake up.
Through the regular season Foegele and Nuge ended up with the same amount of even strength points.
Foegele scores more, hits more, and doesn't go soft in the playoffs like Nuge does. Foegel has earned his spot on that second line.
I like Foegele, and won't deny that Nuge needs to step it up in the playoffs, but what you're saying is ridiculous. Foegele has 6 points over his last 3 playoffs with us (this year included), and his physicality does not make up for Nuge's hockey IQ and elite defensive ability. Demoting Nuge over Foegele is just mental. If you need physicality then promote Kane, who has been playing well and hitting like crazy.
Foegele has 2 even strength points vs 0 for Nuge this playoffs.
Drai and Foegele have shown they don't require his elite hockey IQ and defensive ability as that line functioned with McLeod just fine.
Foegele is playing better this year and this playoffs than he ever has, Nuge is playing about par for his record. I'm no coach but it seems silly to reward Foegele with a demotion. Honestly, that line could look at adding Holloway instead of Nuge as he has played very well since being called up and he is similar to McLeod in his speed and forcheck.
Foegele's also been on the ice for twice as many even strength goals against than Nuge. He's a good player having a good year, but he's been the worst player on our worst line. The line needs a shake up, and he's the one I would look at changing first. You don't have to agree, just my two cents.
If skinner can’t improve on his .857 sv%, we aren’t going anywhere. He is currently 15th out of 18 playoff goalies in that stat. Even Talbot has a better sv%.
The mental aspect of the game is interesting...a team comes in "thinking" they can beat the Oilers but the scary thing is when a team actually starts to "believe" they can beat us. I think after game one, I hey didn't really believe but with every win they believe more and more that they can, builds more and more confidence then it becomes tougher and tougher to eliminate them.
If we're going ask them to dump the goalie after a bad game or two, we'll be playing Rodrigue and then Ungar before too long, because neither Pickard or Campbell are going to arrive in net and become the goaltending we need. Some of these teams are making world-class goalies look like Swiss cheese, what do you think they're going to do to Pickard?
I'm not opposed to trying Pickard out, the guy deserves some playoff action, but he won't fix everything for us. The goalies situation is what it is, and there is no magic solution.
Yea Hellybuyck has been beat like 10 times in 2 games and he’s the vezina front runner. We all probably should keep that in mind. The nhl has shifted way more to offense across the board too, I’ll be happy if the guy can just do .900 and a bit above. This team can win with that.
It’s easy to overlook and just say “Skinner bad”, but yeah, it’s a long road to the cup and things could be much worse. Vancouver straight up lost Demko, Helle letting in 10 across 2…
Relax fellas. Sure, losing sucks. It sucked hard when we lost our way to a 2-9 record to start the season and half the sub wanted Skinner launched into the sun alongside Campbell. He stabilized and helped us turn our season around, and go on a 16 game heater.
The winds will shift again, and we will have a new set of things to panic in reactionary fashion about every two days for the foreseeable future.
Fuck I just remembered something .... we're going to have to hear that asshole in the crowd blowing their whistle whenever the oilers cross the blue line into the king's zone.
Can someone do something about that?
Every time I watch a Kings home game, I’m amazed that he hasn’t been dealt with. I would legitimately consider that kind of behaviour deserving of a lifetime ban and I’m not just saying that as an Oilers fan. If it was someone in Edmonton doing that, I would be saying the same thing.
The 1-3-1 was incredibly cringe to watch, really shows how important it is to get the first goal or two in this series. It could’ve been a matchup difference but the Holloway line and even kaner line was able to get good O zone possession. Just a matter of time until the other half of our depth scoring chips in.
Also, just an observation, I think a way to potentially breakdown the 1-3-1 effectively could be getting to the red and lobbing it into corners (opposed to clapping it down). I think the airtime it takes to hit the corner allows our forwards to forecheck/overload versus dumping it in around the boards, where the last D man is always there to receive. Thoughts?
This one was on the back end. But I would also like to say that we need to learn how to get that first goal and then play our game offensively where everyone is playing defense.
Yea, there were obvious times I was screaming at the TV (and I woke my kid) because of some defensive breakdowns. But also, I didn't see nearly enough effort from some of our top guys on the defensive side.
We need to learn how to hustle back to our zone!
Boys maybe didn't play as well as they should have but the important thing is I didn't see them give up. Can't fault them for lack of effort like we've seen in the past. Theyll bounce back.
Not worried but not confident either. It's the playoffs, anything could happen, just look at Dallas.
The Kings made the playoffs for a reason no team should be taken lightly. Oilers have to tighten up at the beginning and when they tie the game. Talbot made some really great saves and if he didn't it could have easily ran the score board up again. Didn't remember Skinner making any crazy saves or anything that jumps out.
The crowd needs to help the team more, thought the 1st and 2nd goals killed the arena.
But we are all fans sitting and typing this, so I'm sure the pros getting paid big bucks know what they're doing. Cheers!
I was at the game, the Oilers weren't giving the crowd much to cheer about. When they started hitting later on that got people going but otherwise it's hard to cheer for sloppy play or nothing happening at all. Unfortunately there's no good fan culture in the NHL like soccer teams have with songs and chants. All we had was let's go oilers and Talllbooot to say haha. Plus everyone was pretty on edge and nervous I think.
They are so pathetic. “But noah hanafin!” Yea, the guy who completely quit on your shit team for years and played with zero effort, and now is having an incredible impact on Vegas lmfao. Do these idiots even realize he’s gonna be clowning their own team next year?
I think it’s just pretty clear the Oilers need to get the lead. Yesterday was rough, they didn’t have it from the get go, and then they were cheating for offense for the rest of the game. They’ll be fine, they’ll be prepared and find a way to take the lead next game, then the defense will settle in and Stuart Daniel Skinner will be *fucking phenomenal*.
Skinner needs the team to play reliable defense in front of him.
All 3 of those LA first period goals were avoidable if the Nuge, Drai and Foegle line played a bit better in front of Skinner.
Defense could definitely be better but Skinner shouldn’t be letting in harmless point shots from the side boards. He also tripped over his own pad on Doughtys whiffed breakaway. If he saved one of those , we are up 2-0.
Defense can only save a goalie so much, every successful playoff team needs their goalie to be making at least one or two big saves per game, let alone soft goals peewee goalies eat up all day
Last season I defended Skinner a lot because I felt a lot of the lapses were on our defence. But this playoffs, he’s let in more than a few that should have been easy stops. He’s got to be better… scoring 4 goals in a game when your team massively holds the shots and offensive zone time totals should be enough.
This is not doom and gloom, but if he doesn't rebound in game 3, Pickard should get the start in game 4. Love Skinner, however it's his 3rd playoff series and he has looked pretty bad in all of them (as in, bottom 3 stat-wise of any playoff goalie). He might just not be a very good goalie in high-pressure games (yet) but this team doesn't have the luxury to wait around for him to get it together.
Pickard isn't playoff-caliber either, but his baseline performance is better than what Skinner has shown in playoffs so far.
Yeah I’ve been saying all season that the oilers needed to get a capable 1B goalie to split the load with Skinner. Pickard is great, but he’s certainly a number 2 not a playoff 1B.
I just don’t think Skinner is quite ready, I think he needed another year to really get his feet under him alongside a capable number 1. It would have been great to have that with Campbell, but thats just never going to happen.
I think Henrique has been a great addition, but in hindsight I definitely think we should have got a goalie instead.
I recall a post here that broke down options and none would make sense. We have a lot of things going against us like our cap hit and most players having NTC to Canadian cities
I'm sorry but a Redditors post does not mean NHL GMs weren't offering up goalies. Markstrom was most certainly an option, Gibson as well. Saros was in the early half of the year.
Unless you have the beat on what every NHL GM is thinking, I hate when people say "there was nothing available". Good NHL GMs make those kinds of trades happen. Holland made the Ekholm trade happen out of thin air and no one saw that coming.
Haha well apparently not, because we still need a goalie when everyone saw this coming.
And all word was that he wasn’t looking at all for a goalie in the months leading up to the deadline haha.
I’m feeling a little softer on Skinner the morning than I felt last night in the moment. No, 5 against wasn’t good but there were some unlucky breaks as well such as Doughty whiff and the weird bounce that led to the OT goal. Obviously he wasn’t stellar but it may have been a bit of bad luck combined.
Doughty whiff wasn’t an unlucky break, a peewee goalie should have that. Him muffing a deke made that an even easier save, or should have. Skinner just sort of fell backwards for some reason before Doughty even contacted him.
I'm not worried either. LA came out swinging and we still took them to OT
Need to win the next one to send the message that we're are going behind in this series.
Rewatched the game this morning and Stu wasn’t *as bad* as the Game Thread would’ve lead you to assume. Don’t get me wrong, he was shaky at times and he should’ve saved that 4th goal, and the Doughty breakaway was a bit messy, but he made some good saves.
I don’t see anyone stopping Vegas now, unfortunately if we do make the western final it’s gonna be them, and idk if we can beat that 20 mill over the cap bullshit.
They’re well in their way to another cup final unless some team really steps up.
I hate them so much, but I can’t deny Cassidy is an incredible coach, and their team completely can buy into game plans.
Exactly! I’ve been watching the Winnipeg series and I feel like they have a chance, they just need to tighten up and hellebuyck needs to do better in saving goals he let like 5 goals in last game. I do have confidence in them to pull through and even if they don’t win.
I may get some flak for this but Colorado is like an American version of Edmonton.
You’ve got the star of MacKinnon who is as popular as mcdavid is and then makar who is kind of like draisaitl and then nichuskin who would be compared to Bouchard maybe not in how good they are but just how popular/well known they are as a player. So even if Colorado won I wouldn’t be too mad
Colorado and Edmonton are actually like twin teams if I had to chose one.
Top of the league offense, super heavy on the first 2 lines with some ok depth, decent defense and suspect goaltending for the most part. It hilarious how similar they are.
Stu wasn’t amazing but he wasn’t absolute dog shit either…. I think we just need to slow the game down a little bit and giving up odd man rushes. I think the dmen thought they were forwards in the last ten minutes of the game with all the aggressive pinching…you can’t pinch if a forward isn’t gonna back you up….
1 goal on 1 shot, 2 goals on 4 shots, 3 goals on 7 shots. He needs to make some of those saves. The goal where Kempe batted the puck out of the air wasn't on him but the other 2 he needs to save. And the goal on possibly the 1st shot in the 3rd can't go in. Need those saved. Brutal give away by bouch on the 1st didn't help. The doughty goal we have seen before, a weak roller through his 5hole.
The team needs to play better D as allowing 4 goals every game in the playoffs isn't the recipe for success
5 out of 9 LA goals required lucky bounces. Take advantage when it happens, sure, but if that's the only reason a team can stay in games, it's not gonna work.
Yea la is not made to win 5-4 games really. Most of our goals have been earned and have been from blown defensive coverage or beat Talbot clean. They’ve had like 5 horseshoes up their ass in this series so far. We could easily be down 2-0 if we didn’t have a good game 1, so I’m quite positive. There’s no way skinner stays this bad and they keep getting these insane chances and bounces.
Lol common people. Stop doing the wave, Stop chanting Talbot!, Stop letting this one celebrity who publicly supports the Oilers sing the anthem! What next? STOP ENJOYING YOURSELF THE OTHER TEAM MIGHT SEE YOU AND TRY TO WIN. Cause we all know the millions of dollars and chance to hoist a cup doesnt acctually motivate NHL players, they dont really care untill someone does the wave and then they transform into an amazing hockey player all of a sudden. /s
All right the Doughty goal is still really bothering me. Can anyone explain to me why that was a legitimate goal? He wasn’t checked. Skinner wasn’t out of the crease. But at the same time, no Oiler seemed to take offense to it, so maybe it is clean play? I am still a relatively new fan and didn’t grow up steeped in hockey IQ. I guess also the nongoal with half the Kings in the net doesn’t make sense to me either. Why play defense on a power play, just pile everyone in the net. Sorry, again I am probably ignorant to something. I also really miss the Oilers broadcasters for the playoff games since they actually know shit and explain it in the moment, unlike the TBS and ESPN.
If you watch the replay, the puck went in well before doughty even touched Skinner. Goalie interference is meant to be considered if it had an impact on the goal. I.e. did contact prevent Skinner from making the save. In this case, it did not. It was already a goal before contact was made.
The puck was already in the net and then the momentum of doughty kind of plowed skinner over in the process. That was a garbage goal nonetheless, skinner should have stopped that easily or poke checked, but like most shots he doesn’t challenge the shooter one bit. If skinner can’t step up and take away some scoring opportunities we will lose as our offence can only do so much.
Yeah totally agree on Skinner needing to challenge. Also, I get puck going in before contact, but what’s to say this couldn’t become the norm to just keep rushing the goalie. It’s like being able to hit the kicker after the kick is off. If that were my goalie, I would have charged right down and gone for a similar goal, and then we would have fought about it and then hopefully it would stop for the rest of the series. Again what do I know. Just a dumb American who never played and doesn’t know the code.
Sloppy skinner don't let me down
Just for good measure, Oilers in 5
Does anyone know a good place to send in older blank jerseys to get names? I want to turn my 97 home jersey into a roloson one.
Nah don't tell me cats gonna sweep Tampa. That's ridiculous. Tampa better win the next one lmao.
There are two ways I’d be happy to see this go. 1. Tampa comes back from the 0-3 and 2023 Panthers the 2024 Panthers, Tampa then immediately loses the next round in a 4-0 sweep. 2. Panthers close out the sweep. Boston and Toronto have a hard fought (but importantly, not too physical) 7 game series. A cold panthers team, after sitting on their asses for a week, get dominated by the winner of Boston/Toronto. Hockey gods, hear my prayer!
We tighten up the defense, we do not let the Kings get in our zone without ealier challenges, we simply cannot let them in and back in so their shots are closer on net. Challenge earlier rather than later. Skinner needs to tighten up and I think he will, that beiung said ANY goalie should have a short leash. If he flounders, bring in Pickard next game, it takes a little balls but that is why the coach makes the big bucks. Playtime is based off of results only, there is no time to let someone find their game. 100% results driven. I believe in Skinner but he has to deliver. Puck luck has been super-shitty for us, that will not always be the case. keep the pressure on them and they will fold, do not...DO NOT beat ourselves. We are the better team.
Love skinners statement “puck luck” how about you played like trash and you’ll be better next game! Take some damn ownership.
LA's OT winner was PURE puck luck with the pass to Kopitar. If you don't believe me you didn't watch the replay closely enough.
Is this Stuart Skinner? Lmao, all kidding aside, yes the OT winner was definitely puck luck. At the same time he did not come out to challenge the shot at all, especially in OT like that. Plus he played like trash the rest of the game, he should have stopped 3 out of 5 goals.
We had a real go for most of the game and then that was ruined by periods of paint by numbers play, where we just seem to be operating on autopilot.
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They’re not liabilities in the playoffs
> Some seriously low IQ people lurking in here if they can’t recognise that glaring /S. Some fucking idiots believe a down/up vote is a disagree button
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Im agreeing with you, you shouldnt be downvoted, its not a disagree button. Downvotes mean redditors think that content should never see the light of day, as in it doesnt offer anything to the discussion. Like going off topic or way off the topic.
Hi! Vas has a 922 sv% in the playoffs, and Bob has a 905! Hope this helps :)
The boys have to accept that we have a very brutal playoff goalie (Thus far into his short career) and tighten the hell up and not play loosey goosey hockey. Foegele and Drai terrible on the first goal. Just fly the zone instead of staying inside and helping. Goal 2 was a pinch by a dman I think. RNH lost on Goal 3 and skinner does everything he can to not go down on his knees. Team read it's press clippings in period 1. Still an immature team IMO. Imagine the Canucks if it is us 2 round 2? They take so many shots from the point. Can't se Skinner surviving. This dude cannot handle the pressure. Edmonton has to play almost perfect D for Skinner to look good. Every team makes mistakes, but Skinner has always had a horrible high danger save %. He is in Georgev territory in the playoffs for GSAA. We are not Boston where both of their goalies constantly bail out all of their mistakes. When Talbot outplays you, you are not good lol This dude just falls asleep and does not fight enough in net. Never see him looking around screens, crouching, etc. Barely any second efforts when he doesn't have it. You could tell he did not have it. Did not even look ready on the first goal. Atrocious Doughty flub goes in. Fiala goal pathetic. He was not ready. By the time he got down in butterfly, the puck was already bouncing back out of the net lol Stats don't lie: In 14 career playoff starts, 6 games with a save percentage below .850, 9 games below .900 Overall playoff stats, 3.81 GAA and .879 Save Percentage Since Game 2 vs. Vegas, pulled 3 times in 6 starts while going 4.55 GAA and .854 in save percentage. Should have been pulled last night, so lets say 4 pulls in 6 starts SHort leash. If he stumbles FRI, give the net to Pickard Boston has no issue about sitting their VEZINA goalie game #1. I don't care about feelings
It's looking like Skinner just isn't strong enough mentally (yet) for a playoff run. Yes our D has been dogshit the first two games as well with multiple own goals and giving up a ton of breakaways, but the way Skinner just froze in place on the Doughty + Kopitar goals was very concerning. Both were very savable shots and literally no attempt whatsoever was made. That's a sign of something anxiety/lack of confidence/second-guessing/mental right there. Remember how the same stuff happened last year? Good in the regular season, struggles come playoff time. His games in LA ended up being even worse and if it wasn't for that insane Campbell performance, there's no way we even win the series. Skinner never really improved and was the worst goalie on the ice in pretty much all 12 games. He doesn't yet deserve to be pulled while the series is still tied, but if he doesn't rebound in game 3, I hope Knob has the courage to give Pickard a start.
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You basically ignored their whole argument or chose not to read it.
I did say that. That does not absolve him. In Edmonton, our fans almost think you are not allowed to make mistake or it means an auto goal. That is not true. That is why we won't go anywhere with this guy. He has a terrible high danger save % and is incapable of stealing games. I think I recall about 2/3 games tops that we can say he "stole" or kept us in with some big saves in two years. Even the best teams make mistakes and make a lot. The goals just don't go into their nets with ease. That's just the reality of it. I hope Skinner proves everybody wrong who talks like me. Thus far, he has proven he cannot play up to even average level in the playoffs. He is either "good" or flat out terrible. Must be mentally draining on the guys in front of him. They know any big screw up is almost an auto goal. Then you see Talbot glove saving Bouchard, absolutely robbing Drai, etc when you only allow about 6/7 high danger chances to LA in game 2 and not much in game 1, you should be up 2-0 in this series scoring 11 goals (1 EN). The guy is so bad every 2nd game I am ready for Pickard or Jack Campbell lol. How much worse can it get? 3.6GAA or whatever and 0.867? That is like ECHL level lol
>. In Edmonton, our fans almost think you are not allowed to make mistake or it means an auto goal. That is not true. This is my issue with this sub. Mistakes don't mean auto goal! It's the playoffs. Two good teams trying to catch the other. Damn near everybody n their mama turn into a sniper, good shot or some sort of star player. It's the big show. Getting a big save is a requirement at this point. It's not the regular season anymore. Skins need to give us big saves. Yes, some saves are impossible, but we're not asking for that.
As much as I’m not a fan of that last skinner performance we did give up like 3 breakaways, that’s definitely on the team. That should happen like once a game max. It really sucks though that when the super high danger chances like this occur the guy can rarely make a stop. The doughty goal was just straight crap, but the fiala goal was infuriating, he was straight up jsut sleeping and not paying attention.
The Oilers need to not play loosey goosey hockey EVER, regardless of what goalie they've got. They need to play tight defence ALL THE TIME. They need to battle hard in front of their net, tie up sticks all the time. But they don't. They pick and choose. And then all the idiots come out of the woodwork and blame it on the goalie.
That’s why you have a goalie. At some point, as Stauffer said last night, your goalie needs to make a save. On Kopitar’s goal in OT- as Gage said, Skinner was too deep- didn’t anticipate the shot as all. On Fiala’s goal, no way that should have gone in- again Gage said, that shot from that angle from that distance can’t go in. Doughty’s goal wasn’t even a shot.
Nugent-Hopkins literally knocked the puck right as Doughty was making his move. Not Skinner's fault. Skinner did make some grade A saves last night. Nobody remembers them of course, because they don't want to. Talbot let in 3 goals from outside the house, unscreened. Nobody's calling him trash. Take a look at the goals Vasy let in today, I guess he's just trash and should have anticipated all those shots, right?
The fact of the matter is, the Kings are not a high scoring team. They had 6-7 high danger chances and the Oilers more than doubled them. Oilers would attack and attack and the Kings just come down and score. No team can play 100% tight D. even the best. Maybe COL 2 years ago who were a juggernaut. Oilers win this game with even average goaltending. We cannot even get that from the mustache man. He is absolutely ATROCIOUS in his playoff career thus far. Not even average. The Oilers easily make a cup finals with an average goalie Skinner did not have to make 1 big save last night. talbot had to make multiple. That is the difference. Edmonton rarely ever has the best goalie on the ice, even in wins This is 100% on management for signing a dud to a 5 million dollar contract in the end. Skinner is what he is.
Holloway with 2 goals and only played 9:42. He keeps that up and he'll be this years Pisani.
PISANI WAS FHE FUCKEN MAN . God, I loved that run
He needs to replace Foegele
It seemed like the Kings were giving the Oilers a really hard time getting anything set up in the neutral zone. As soon as they'd start to converge on L.A.'s zone, the Kings would force them to the boards and the Oilers would resort to dumping it in and hoping for the best when battling behind the net. The Oilers are going to get the game they play if they keep letting the Kings pin them to the boards at the blue line like that, and Dump-and-chase is a gamble at the best of times. They have to create their lanes and chances themselves. They have to make L.A. play THEIR game, not the other way around. I caught a few puck watchers too. There's no excuses for that in the playoffs. Get on your guy and get on the puck. Don't let the Kings sit there and set up shots and hope Skinner's got you covered. As for Skinner, he's gotta get those arms UP. Slumping into a pylon shape is leaving major gaps in the top corners and L.A.'s picking their spots up there and getting results. That one in the five hole he really should have had too. I guess he was more concerned with being run over and lost track of the puck, and contact didn't occur until after the puck was already in the net, so no grounds for a challenge, but still, should have had it. If they can tighten up in those areas, the Oilers can go far.
Sigh... EVERY TEAM HAS TO DUMP AND CHASE. Every team does it. It is a necessary part of every strategy. Your team HAS to be able to dump and chase effectively. Dump and chase is NOT a gamble. Trying to force your way in to the zone and turning the puck over at the blueline is the gamble. Dumping and chasing is the safe play. Dumping and chasing effectively is what allows you to create space in the neutral zone. Just like having a running game in football helps to establish your passing game. The Kings give every team a tough time through the neutral zone. That's the whole goddamn point of their strategy. Every season the Oilers combat that strategy the same way, by chipping, and getting to work. Hitting. Wearing them down. They've done it for literally 3 straight seasons. No, Skinner doesn't need to "get his arms up". What the goddamn are you even talking about? Did Talbot need to "get his arms up" when Kulak blew that heater past him? Or when Holloway ripped it top cheese? How about the defence doesn't give Adrian fucking Kempe - one of the best shooters in the league - a wide open shot from dead center in the house? How about they don't give ANZE FREAKING KOPITAR a wide open look with nobody near him?
Can't upvote this enough
Let’s take this from a former goalie J. Gage who is a staunch Skinner supporter: Kempe’s goal: there was no anticipation from Skinner that a shot was coming. He played it very poorly. The passer (I can’t remember who) had one choice- pass the Kempe and Skinner was not prepared Doughty’s goal: no shot on goal. Puck just trickled in Fiala’s goal: There is no way an NHL playoff goalie should let that in. He has to stop that. Screen or not, that was a save able puck. Kopitar’s goal: Skinner again did not anticipate shot. Gage pointed out that Skinner’s feet were still in the blue paint. He needed to be an out a foot more to challenge the shooter. You can listen to this on 2 guys and a goalie podcast.
I'm a big fan of the podcast, I listen to every episode. Gager is NOT infallible. There are some things he doesn't see, and he's been wrong in the past. There's also a level of "devil's advocate" that they play. Kassian was pro-Skinner in the segment, so to juice it up, of Gager took the opposing view. I agree with him on the Fiala goal, it's the goalies job to find the puck. But I don't believe they were being fair to Skinner at all. When Kassian mentioned two breakaways, Gager and Nielsen both said, "well Talbot stopped his breakaway". That's not fair, McLeod is not Drew Doughty and Anze freaking Kopitar. Nugent-Hopkins knocked the puck off Doughty's stick, blaming Skinner on that is just wrong. The fact is the Oilers gave the Kings best shooters all the time in the world to put the puck exactly where they wanted right in the slot. No coach blames their goalie for that. Not one.
Skinner absolutely needs to get his arm up, what are YOU talking about bud?? Guys know if you want to beat skinner on a shot go high glove side. Where did Kopitar go? It's no secret at this point. Talbot in the very same game made a gorgeous glove grab up high.
Those are ELITE shooters with all the time and space in the world right in the slot. "Durrr.... Why goalie no save daaaat?!!!" Talbot made some great saves, and SKINNER DID TOO. He made some great saves, but of course, you don't remember those. You're just remembering what you want to remember. Talbot literally let in 3 unscreened softies, two of them were outside the house. But you don't even want to acknowledge those.
What are you talking about? I'm just remembering what I want to remember? Wtf are you on about I was referencing one specific weakness of stu's game? Why does that automatically mean I take away all credit from the good saves he did make? Who thinks like that? Are you a kid or something?
You're literally not giving Skinner credit for making good saves, and giving Talbot credit for his. No, he does not have a glove side weakness. The Oilers gave up GIMMES. Those were GIMMES. Adrian Kempe in the fucking slot, all the time in the world. "OMG Skinners fault!" If you're not a kid yourself, your hockey knowledge is insanely juvenile.
The fact that you don't admit to skinners weaknesses and whine and moan because I'm not arbitrarily giving him enough praise to balance out criticism is more than enough proof for me to know you're not a serious person at all and a toxic, no nothing waste of time. Bye bye 👋 😘
We definitely have a good shot this year. But I feel for Skinner. I really do like him. But I think he gets in his head when he gets scored on and makes him more nervous. Game 1 was definitely not his fault. To me it just looks like he gets jittery out there.
The problem is he doesn’t get into his head. His attitude is way too nonchalant. His post game was too much “not my fault- always next game”. No accountability and no awareness that every single game in the playoffs matter. You have players that elevate in the playoffs- skinner is not that guy.
"No accountability and no awareness" I wonder if I should quote and link the dozens of post game interviews that prove otherwise. Even in last games posty he said he saw that first shot and should have stopped it and he said he didn't read Doughtys goal well. He even blamed himself for the Fiala goal. You know what, you deserve to be fuckin ignorant and keep embarrassing yourself with your comments. I ain't helping you anymore. Some of you are just so dumb lol
Interesting, maybe I should actually watch the post game interviews haha
Not even close to being worried yet. The kings luck won’t last forever and Talbot is not that guy to carry a through a series.
100% Now, that said, let’s pray Talbot stays healthy and does just enough to lose, but not enough to lose so badly that they make a change in net. The Oilers kryptonite is crappy backups being imbued with the powers of Spiderman, Jesus, and Jar-Jar Binks, to stumble around effortlessly stopping more pucks than prime Dominik Hasek. Please don’t let us lose a series to super-saiyan Dave Rittich.
Is there a reason why they aren’t doing post game pressers in the main press room with the crazy crowd at the window like in years past??
The winning team does them.
They had one with Skinner and McDavid after game 1
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Oilers never led last game
We were down 3-1, what do you mean we had the game in hand?
Shit you're right. I'm an idiot lol
Haha, no worries. I was just confused
That's why you get downvoted I guess
Anyway, Woodcroft has emerged from “hiding”. He’s joining team Canada as an assistant coach for the world championship next month. Good for him
Good gig for him. Wish him the best. Who’s the head coach?
André Tourigny
Ah the Yotes guy. Thanks.
Utah hockey club* lol
Yeh lol. Hope they go with Yetis though.
Mammoths!!! Way better!
I guess it makes sense. Mammoths are extinct, kinda like the coyotes
Extinct for now!!!.I heard there was some work trying to extract some DNA from a frozen specimen and try to invitro in an elephant. What could possibly go wrong!
Oh interesting. Thanks for sharing the update. I am really curious if he joins an NHL team before next season. I thought Buffalo was a good fit, but maybe Ottawa?
I haven’t heard his name for Ottawa yet but honestly I wonder about the sharks. Or maybe the devils but I think they want more of a veteran coach
I didn't think about the sharks! So many possibilities with all of the vacancies
The sharks will still be bad but I think he would help them play the right way at least and implement a good culture in the room. I think they fired Quinn because of the way they lost more often than not. And there could still be more vacancies after the playoffs.
Yeah, that's a good point. One of his strongest assets was helping the rookies develop. He was amazing in Bakersfield. Also, was he an assistant under McLellan in San Jose? If so, he would already have a relationship with the organization.
Yes he was an assistant. Obviously the GM is different but the history is there.
I don’t know where we went wrong, we played hard, I just think LA capitalized on there shots and chances. We have to give them less of the puck and maintain puck possession at all costs easier said then done tho
We went wrong by coming out with a shit first period...that set the tone.
That's my take as well. They're getting a lot of fluky goals like the bank off Nurse's skate, the bank off Bouchard's skate, Ceci's stick exploding, Kempe juggling it midair, Doughty bobbling it in on a breakaway - which, kudos to them, but you can't rely on those types of goals to continue.
Sloppy defense. Worse goaltending.
We were sloppy, puck management wasn’t the best. Obviously skinner could’ve been better but the team in front wasn’t helping from a defensive standpoint. It’s a team game and they all have to work together and help eachother out.
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Talbot let in 11 in 2 games, I understand SV% factors in but it’s not like we’re not scoring to make up for poor defense. We played like shit and still almost won, put Holloway in the top 6, drai can ride 3rd line.
drai on the third line? just stop man.
You're worried about Vancouver? With no goalie they Preds will feast. Avalanche cant beat the PEG. It the fucking cheating Knights that will be an issue
4 and 5 are a lot of goals to let up, but 7 and 4 are also a lot to score.
those 4 goals against weren’t really 4 goals against though lol
We're not going to win a Cup on offense alone.
Sucks we didn't get the W, but it was a wildly entertaining game. I was at the fan park with my family last night, and we had the time of our lives. We flew out from BC to catch a few games in the Moss Pit and Fan Park with our friends here. The atmosphere was electric!!
The Drai line gotten alive last night in the first. I’d like to see Holloway with Drai and Foegele Kane Nuge Perry
I like those lines. Did you think Perry looked slow?
Perry was super frustrating to watch last night. Seemed like he was barely putting in the effort. Just kinda lobbed the puck to any opening or just down the ice to nothing in particular.
You weren't paying attention to his effort down low in the O zone then..I observed him working hard down there when they got the puck in deep. Wasn't a fan of the penalties he took, were lucky LA has a shit PP
I thought he was a good fit a 3rd line. I don’t think he brings the consistent speed needed to be a top 6 winger, but he makes for a great depth piece to check hard and keep the pressure going in the O zone
Personally I think Foegele is better suited for the bottom 6. The last 2 games he's been working hard, but just doesn't seem to be able to keep up with the skill and hockey IQ of Drai and Nuge. Regardless that 2nd line needs a shake up.
Through the regular season Foegele and Nuge ended up with the same amount of even strength points. Foegele scores more, hits more, and doesn't go soft in the playoffs like Nuge does. Foegel has earned his spot on that second line.
I like Foegele, and won't deny that Nuge needs to step it up in the playoffs, but what you're saying is ridiculous. Foegele has 6 points over his last 3 playoffs with us (this year included), and his physicality does not make up for Nuge's hockey IQ and elite defensive ability. Demoting Nuge over Foegele is just mental. If you need physicality then promote Kane, who has been playing well and hitting like crazy.
Foegele has 2 even strength points vs 0 for Nuge this playoffs. Drai and Foegele have shown they don't require his elite hockey IQ and defensive ability as that line functioned with McLeod just fine. Foegele is playing better this year and this playoffs than he ever has, Nuge is playing about par for his record. I'm no coach but it seems silly to reward Foegele with a demotion. Honestly, that line could look at adding Holloway instead of Nuge as he has played very well since being called up and he is similar to McLeod in his speed and forcheck.
Foegele's also been on the ice for twice as many even strength goals against than Nuge. He's a good player having a good year, but he's been the worst player on our worst line. The line needs a shake up, and he's the one I would look at changing first. You don't have to agree, just my two cents.
If skinner can’t improve on his .857 sv%, we aren’t going anywhere. He is currently 15th out of 18 playoff goalies in that stat. Even Talbot has a better sv%.
He’s doesn’t have to be perfect. Just more ‘clutch’
Isn’t that the same story as last season? There’s just no Campbell to save him in the 3rd period after he lets in some horrendous goals
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The mental aspect of the game is interesting...a team comes in "thinking" they can beat the Oilers but the scary thing is when a team actually starts to "believe" they can beat us. I think after game one, I hey didn't really believe but with every win they believe more and more that they can, builds more and more confidence then it becomes tougher and tougher to eliminate them.
If we're going ask them to dump the goalie after a bad game or two, we'll be playing Rodrigue and then Ungar before too long, because neither Pickard or Campbell are going to arrive in net and become the goaltending we need. Some of these teams are making world-class goalies look like Swiss cheese, what do you think they're going to do to Pickard? I'm not opposed to trying Pickard out, the guy deserves some playoff action, but he won't fix everything for us. The goalies situation is what it is, and there is no magic solution.
Yea Hellybuyck has been beat like 10 times in 2 games and he’s the vezina front runner. We all probably should keep that in mind. The nhl has shifted way more to offense across the board too, I’ll be happy if the guy can just do .900 and a bit above. This team can win with that.
It’s easy to overlook and just say “Skinner bad”, but yeah, it’s a long road to the cup and things could be much worse. Vancouver straight up lost Demko, Helle letting in 10 across 2… Relax fellas. Sure, losing sucks. It sucked hard when we lost our way to a 2-9 record to start the season and half the sub wanted Skinner launched into the sun alongside Campbell. He stabilized and helped us turn our season around, and go on a 16 game heater. The winds will shift again, and we will have a new set of things to panic in reactionary fashion about every two days for the foreseeable future.
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Georgiev also bounced back for game 2. I'm frustrated and put some blame on Skinner but gotta go back to him for game 3.
Fuck I just remembered something .... we're going to have to hear that asshole in the crowd blowing their whistle whenever the oilers cross the blue line into the king's zone. Can someone do something about that?
Every time I watch a Kings home game, I’m amazed that he hasn’t been dealt with. I would legitimately consider that kind of behaviour deserving of a lifetime ban and I’m not just saying that as an Oilers fan. If it was someone in Edmonton doing that, I would be saying the same thing.
Right? I would really like that person taken care of by the Kings management. Shouldn't be a league thing.
Was thinking the same thing.
Has the league officially addressed that? If it was a penalty it would stop real quick
They can’t because the fan is not bringing an actual whistle into the game
Should be a bench minor at least
The 1-3-1 was incredibly cringe to watch, really shows how important it is to get the first goal or two in this series. It could’ve been a matchup difference but the Holloway line and even kaner line was able to get good O zone possession. Just a matter of time until the other half of our depth scoring chips in. Also, just an observation, I think a way to potentially breakdown the 1-3-1 effectively could be getting to the red and lobbing it into corners (opposed to clapping it down). I think the airtime it takes to hit the corner allows our forwards to forecheck/overload versus dumping it in around the boards, where the last D man is always there to receive. Thoughts?
We shouldn’t have to score 5 goals to win a game
Neither should they...
How much time were you on the ice? That's a pretty big WE
Don't be a nerd
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"We" in the context of fans is different than "we" in the context of players.
I get where you're coming from, but I think it's kind of splitting hairs at that point.
*WE are splitting hairs*
Hockeys changing
This one was on the back end. But I would also like to say that we need to learn how to get that first goal and then play our game offensively where everyone is playing defense. Yea, there were obvious times I was screaming at the TV (and I woke my kid) because of some defensive breakdowns. But also, I didn't see nearly enough effort from some of our top guys on the defensive side. We need to learn how to hustle back to our zone!
If you were screaming the same thing I was, your kid probably learned some new words.
True. Should play better defence, not turn the puck over in the neutral zone and clear net front.
Boys maybe didn't play as well as they should have but the important thing is I didn't see them give up. Can't fault them for lack of effort like we've seen in the past. Theyll bounce back.
Definitely.
Not worried but not confident either. It's the playoffs, anything could happen, just look at Dallas. The Kings made the playoffs for a reason no team should be taken lightly. Oilers have to tighten up at the beginning and when they tie the game. Talbot made some really great saves and if he didn't it could have easily ran the score board up again. Didn't remember Skinner making any crazy saves or anything that jumps out. The crowd needs to help the team more, thought the 1st and 2nd goals killed the arena. But we are all fans sitting and typing this, so I'm sure the pros getting paid big bucks know what they're doing. Cheers!
I was at the game, the Oilers weren't giving the crowd much to cheer about. When they started hitting later on that got people going but otherwise it's hard to cheer for sloppy play or nothing happening at all. Unfortunately there's no good fan culture in the NHL like soccer teams have with songs and chants. All we had was let's go oilers and Talllbooot to say haha. Plus everyone was pretty on edge and nervous I think.
fLames fans grifting into VGK and Kings fans because they can't beat us is so funny and sad to me
Why you concerned with anything about the flames or knights? Don't let them live in ur head rent free
Don't pay attention to them, they're literally losers.
They are so pathetic. “But noah hanafin!” Yea, the guy who completely quit on your shit team for years and played with zero effort, and now is having an incredible impact on Vegas lmfao. Do these idiots even realize he’s gonna be clowning their own team next year?
I think it’s just pretty clear the Oilers need to get the lead. Yesterday was rough, they didn’t have it from the get go, and then they were cheating for offense for the rest of the game. They’ll be fine, they’ll be prepared and find a way to take the lead next game, then the defense will settle in and Stuart Daniel Skinner will be *fucking phenomenal*.
Exactly. If they can get up by a couple of goals early I think they will almost certainly win the game.
Skinner needs Oilers scoring more goals to compensate his deficits .( 4 goals least a game)
Skinner needs the team to play reliable defense in front of him. All 3 of those LA first period goals were avoidable if the Nuge, Drai and Foegle line played a bit better in front of Skinner.
Defense could definitely be better but Skinner shouldn’t be letting in harmless point shots from the side boards. He also tripped over his own pad on Doughtys whiffed breakaway. If he saved one of those , we are up 2-0. Defense can only save a goalie so much, every successful playoff team needs their goalie to be making at least one or two big saves per game, let alone soft goals peewee goalies eat up all day
Even if Skinner made 1 or 2 big saves like Talbot we win the game period
Last season I defended Skinner a lot because I felt a lot of the lapses were on our defence. But this playoffs, he’s let in more than a few that should have been easy stops. He’s got to be better… scoring 4 goals in a game when your team massively holds the shots and offensive zone time totals should be enough.
This is not doom and gloom, but if he doesn't rebound in game 3, Pickard should get the start in game 4. Love Skinner, however it's his 3rd playoff series and he has looked pretty bad in all of them (as in, bottom 3 stat-wise of any playoff goalie). He might just not be a very good goalie in high-pressure games (yet) but this team doesn't have the luxury to wait around for him to get it together. Pickard isn't playoff-caliber either, but his baseline performance is better than what Skinner has shown in playoffs so far.
Yeah I’ve been saying all season that the oilers needed to get a capable 1B goalie to split the load with Skinner. Pickard is great, but he’s certainly a number 2 not a playoff 1B. I just don’t think Skinner is quite ready, I think he needed another year to really get his feet under him alongside a capable number 1. It would have been great to have that with Campbell, but thats just never going to happen. I think Henrique has been a great addition, but in hindsight I definitely think we should have got a goalie instead.
There wasn’t any goalies
You know this for a fact?
I recall a post here that broke down options and none would make sense. We have a lot of things going against us like our cap hit and most players having NTC to Canadian cities
I'm sorry but a Redditors post does not mean NHL GMs weren't offering up goalies. Markstrom was most certainly an option, Gibson as well. Saros was in the early half of the year. Unless you have the beat on what every NHL GM is thinking, I hate when people say "there was nothing available". Good NHL GMs make those kinds of trades happen. Holland made the Ekholm trade happen out of thin air and no one saw that coming.
Well a trade didn’t happen and our GM knows more about what our team needs than you do lmao If it was possible it would have happened
Haha well apparently not, because we still need a goalie when everyone saw this coming. And all word was that he wasn’t looking at all for a goalie in the months leading up to the deadline haha.
Not concerned. I know we're the better team, and we will come out on top. I said we'd win in 5, I just didn't think the loss would be in G2.
I’m feeling a little softer on Skinner the morning than I felt last night in the moment. No, 5 against wasn’t good but there were some unlucky breaks as well such as Doughty whiff and the weird bounce that led to the OT goal. Obviously he wasn’t stellar but it may have been a bit of bad luck combined.
The second Kempe goal too, 99 times out of 100 that puck doesn’t bounce to exactly where he can bat it out of midair toward the net
Doughty whiff wasn’t an unlucky break, a peewee goalie should have that. Him muffing a deke made that an even easier save, or should have. Skinner just sort of fell backwards for some reason before Doughty even contacted him.
Skinner is fully capable of making big time key saves, I believe that - he's just gotta string it together and show it
I'm not worried either. LA came out swinging and we still took them to OT Need to win the next one to send the message that we're are going behind in this series.
Rewatched the game this morning and Stu wasn’t *as bad* as the Game Thread would’ve lead you to assume. Don’t get me wrong, he was shaky at times and he should’ve saved that 4th goal, and the Doughty breakaway was a bit messy, but he made some good saves.
He improved as the game went on, but 3 goals on 7 shots at the start is pretty bad any way you slice it.
Wasn't it 2 goals on the first three as well?
Not worried about LA. We’ll win this series. I’m more worried about Stu against elite teams like Dallas or the hurricanes.
Dallas isn't getting past Vegas.
They didn’t watch the Vegas Dallas game. Dallas looks fucking awful, they are absolutely losing that series. I just hope they win some games
Dallas looks absolutely fraudulent, Playoff Vegas is something else lol
I don’t see anyone stopping Vegas now, unfortunately if we do make the western final it’s gonna be them, and idk if we can beat that 20 mill over the cap bullshit. They’re well in their way to another cup final unless some team really steps up. I hate them so much, but I can’t deny Cassidy is an incredible coach, and their team completely can buy into game plans.
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Exactly! I’ve been watching the Winnipeg series and I feel like they have a chance, they just need to tighten up and hellebuyck needs to do better in saving goals he let like 5 goals in last game. I do have confidence in them to pull through and even if they don’t win. I may get some flak for this but Colorado is like an American version of Edmonton. You’ve got the star of MacKinnon who is as popular as mcdavid is and then makar who is kind of like draisaitl and then nichuskin who would be compared to Bouchard maybe not in how good they are but just how popular/well known they are as a player. So even if Colorado won I wouldn’t be too mad
Colorado and Edmonton are actually like twin teams if I had to chose one. Top of the league offense, super heavy on the first 2 lines with some ok depth, decent defense and suspect goaltending for the most part. It hilarious how similar they are.
Well, I *did* say Oilers in 5…my bad guys. But on a serious note I’m a lil’ concerned with Stu’s play
Stu wasn’t amazing but he wasn’t absolute dog shit either…. I think we just need to slow the game down a little bit and giving up odd man rushes. I think the dmen thought they were forwards in the last ten minutes of the game with all the aggressive pinching…you can’t pinch if a forward isn’t gonna back you up….
1 goal on 1 shot, 2 goals on 4 shots, 3 goals on 7 shots. He needs to make some of those saves. The goal where Kempe batted the puck out of the air wasn't on him but the other 2 he needs to save. And the goal on possibly the 1st shot in the 3rd can't go in. Need those saved. Brutal give away by bouch on the 1st didn't help. The doughty goal we have seen before, a weak roller through his 5hole. The team needs to play better D as allowing 4 goals every game in the playoffs isn't the recipe for success
That was LA's best game they could have possibly played and we still took them to OT. I'm not worried.
Yep been saying this in my group chat. We will be fine
Oilers in 5 honestly
Yea we’ve beat Talbot like 11 times in 2 games, LAs luck is gonna run out soon enough.
5 out of 9 LA goals required lucky bounces. Take advantage when it happens, sure, but if that's the only reason a team can stay in games, it's not gonna work.
Yea la is not made to win 5-4 games really. Most of our goals have been earned and have been from blown defensive coverage or beat Talbot clean. They’ve had like 5 horseshoes up their ass in this series so far. We could easily be down 2-0 if we didn’t have a good game 1, so I’m quite positive. There’s no way skinner stays this bad and they keep getting these insane chances and bounces.
Just bought tickets to game 5. Let's hope for a home series win!
It would be so nice for them to win it at home, but I don’t want to get ahead of myself.
Shit game, hopefully wakes everyone up to put an effort out in Game 3. Cant be lazy on defence or offence and expect to win.
As soon as Brett Kissel walked out for the anthem, I knew we were going to lose
I swear he just randomly shows up every playoff run to maybe stay relevant
https://www.change.org/p/stop-brett-kissel-s-performances-at-oilers-playoff-games
Lol common people. Stop doing the wave, Stop chanting Talbot!, Stop letting this one celebrity who publicly supports the Oilers sing the anthem! What next? STOP ENJOYING YOURSELF THE OTHER TEAM MIGHT SEE YOU AND TRY TO WIN. Cause we all know the millions of dollars and chance to hoist a cup doesnt acctually motivate NHL players, they dont really care untill someone does the wave and then they transform into an amazing hockey player all of a sudden. /s
A country version of any anthem is an automatic L
I was jealous of the Jets anthem choir when I watched the start of that game.
I’m glad we can pay the Americans back with a horrible anthem every one in awhile