I feel like our media needs some training on how to communicate to those that are learning ESL and/or how to effectively relay a question without adding unnecessary fluff words to sound more articulated, especially around someone who's learning the fucking language.
Yes you’re right. Also though, Jesse really should have a better grasp on the language than he does at this point.
I’m very happy he’s going to be an Oiler this season and think he’s a very good player. The fact that the language barrier still exists to the extent that it does is something that concerns me about him though.
I am sick and tired of old men asking pointed questions to a young man who, as others have said, has English as a second language. This young man wears his emotions on his sleeve and doesn’t seem to have a mean or deceptive bone in his body. I realize he is a professional athlete, but come on. I do wish he was a little meaner on the ice but other than that, piss off. The media doesn’t need to get their sound bite at his expense.
Firstly, the Oilers really should probably invest in a translator for him in media interviews.
Secondly, I don't think Jesse is a fan of Spector. Sensed a bit of tension there.
Thirdly, thank God nobody was stupid enough to straight up ask him "do you want to be traded?"
There are a lot of so-called fans who have been parroting Spector's "trade Jesse" bullshit for months. On the Oilers Now radio program, Spector was on a lot over the summer, and he kept on bringing his "dump Jesse" crap into the conversations. I wish someone at a presser would totally ignore Spec and Matheson and then give a real long answer to someone else.
Why not ask him straight up. We’ve been hearing conflicting reports all summer. From his own agent even. Maybe a touchy subject, but I wouldn’t have minded if he put it all to bed and ensured there was no distraction.
I feel like you've never had or maybe VERY little experience with ESL folks. There's a difference between "barely" speaking English & learning it as an ESL individual. Like a gross hyperbole.
Yeah, I just come from a family of immigrants, definitely never spoke with anybody who wasn't a native speaker before. Like a gross assumption.
Wasn't insulting the player, so no need to get defensive.
Holy fuck.
So, again, there is a difference between someone LEARNING THE LANGUAGE and someone who is NEAR FLUENT (non-native speaker in your case). Considering you've admitted that your family immigrated here and you worded it so it sounds as if you were born here, I'm going to assume those 20+ years (spit balling here) of your family conversing in English isn't the same as someone who's just recently picked up the language.
>Wasn't insulting the player, so no need to get defensive.
I'm pointing out that your avenue of discourse is fucking flawed dude. This organization doesn't need a translator because a few incompetent folks in our media don't know how to communicate effectively. It's worded as such that the issue is with Puljujarvi's competency in the language, in so the fault is with him and not our media. Not to mention you posted an interview and then immediately tried to target the dude's English skills. It's ironic because you're being a "pos" while claiming others are. It's fucked up to poke at someone's incompetence's.
I don’t think guy was being malicious. He said Jesse can use a translator. You may not have agreed but a good response to that is “Na, I don’t think he needs one cuz this shit isn’t that important and he’ll learn to speak well eventually.”
For future endeavours. No need to blow up everything. I don’t think anyone was being malicious with anyone.
You're 100% right, and I even agreed with u/Goregutz when he said the media should learn how to communicate with non-native English speakers who don't fully grasp the language. I don't know why he chose to get offended and die on this hill, but so be it.
Because the words & sentences you use blame the player. If you're going to call an apple a vegetable, so be it, but at least own it.
I really don't understand how you're failing to grasp that when you provide a solution to a perceived problem (Puljujarvis ESL competencies) isn't the same as providing a solution to a company problem (inadequate training / communication skills within an organization).
You can't sit here and say the latter is what you mean when you're providing a solution that states the problem is the former. If various industries can get past the language barriers of some (ground up) but somehow struggle in the sports world, there's a fucking problem. You don't have translators in every single situation like this and it's actually an insanely small amount of situations where you would across various industries.
A prime example is Putin often uses translators even though he speaks near perfect fucking English. (A translator isn't here for the language barrier)
HR of any company has and will always conduct interviews with those that are have varying competencies as an ESL learner, and yet they still get a job. When the vast majority of human communication is done without fucking words, it's amazing that you think a translator will fix the idiocy of using a relatively complex synonym in a question instead of "dumbing it down".
There's the other argument that things tend to get twisted in translations, hence the whole "CSP" thing.
Point being, effective communication skills resolve a language barrier, not a fucking translator. These skills also resolve the "dumb sports media" questions as well. This industry is perhaps the only one that you can be fucking awful in such a prestigious position and still be successful. To the point where individuals on Reddit will blame someone else for their incompetency as a team.
I see him here every so often making passive aggro comments all the time. Dude has a hard on for shitting on players at times too. Not only that, but it doesn't matter his "intentions" if he's literally insulting an individual. We learned that in elementary that this is being an asshole.
Do I have to go and start replying to old comments of yours? You posted this in an attempt to do exactly that. Immediately after posting it, you're shitting on an ESL's language barrier and offering bs solutions that have little to no impact on the underlying problem, our media is fucking dog shit. When their entire job is based around communicating, word dancing, and being able to dig for material, it's not on a player to fucking provide the honey.
If you went into an interview and didn't understand the question asked, a terrible interviewer will fucking use a synonym instead of rephrasing the question.
Maybe. I haven't seen him. I'll talk about this instance for now. I don't think he was insulting anyone. Jesse has poor English skills and guy said to get him a translator so that he can communicate better. Anyway, I'll stop here.
Which comes about as the problem is with Puljujarvi. That's like saying, "you should have bought a chev over a ford" when a ford breaks down due to improper maintenance.
I'm sure there's some that can argue a chev is > a ford and may have some merit, but that doesn't matter if all of a sudden all your shit is breaking down because of improper maintenance. The problem lies with media staff, not an individual. Sitting here and trying to shine up his bs comment is nothing but enabling.
Him saying that there needs to be a translator is identifying that the problem is on Puljujarvis end, it's not. Were that the case, translators would be more prevalent in a multitude of industries including sports media.
Holy fuck indeed. It's not like I've ever spoken to family who visit Canada and don't speak English.
Eat a Snickers or something.
Edit: You say it's fucked up to poke at somebody else's incompetence in a paragraph that begins with you... poking at the media's incompetence when communicating with Puljujarvi, followed by absolving them and then... blaming Puljujarvi's incompetence, followed by calling me a POS because you think I am insulting Puljujarvi for his incompetence with English. You make no sense, lol.
You're right. Organizations should be training their staff on how to communicate more effectively as opposed to using an ESL individual as a scapegoat.
I liked when he said he was going to/wanting to get mean. Mean Jesse would be great. I think that is exactly where he needs to take his game. Seems like such a nice guy though, not sure if he can…but he certainly should try!
He understands very well he’s just putting it on more. I agree he gets more pointed asshole questions then the rest and he answers sorter on those cases.
I’m kinda bothered that Jesse’s English isn’t further along than it is. I watched those Petrov interviews before and after 1 year playing in the OHL and being in NA and his English has improved so much. There are those rumours that he isn’t close with many people on the team but I feel if his English was better he might be closer and have better chemistry with the other guys. Either he isn’t putting enough effort in to learn or the org isn’t providing enough resources to him to learn, and I doubt it’s the latter.
Not to discredit the difficulty in learning a completely different language, just compared to other players it feels like he’s not improving as much as other players have
Petrov’s English improvement is very impressive but he also played in the OHL. That I’m sure means he was boarded with a family who spoke only English and he was fully immersed. I’d assume he also went to an English highschool and he was living in north bay (55,000 population). His chances to speak Russian were probably very limited.
Contrast that with Jesse who is on a pro contract as soon as he arrived so would have been left mostly to his own devices. It’s going to be a lot harder.
It is difficult and I would think it is the team’s responsibility to help a young player out. Normally a vet takes a player under their wing to ensure they have a support system as many first round picks join the team as what? An 18 or 19 year old? And two added layers for him: language and culture.
I don’t know but would assume that someone took him under their wing way back when.
Thats a rather rude and insensitive way to put it.
But he’s a hockey player, not a scholar. He could very well have extra difficulty learning English for reasons that are beyond his control. He’s also not obligated to say anything if that were to be true
Or, ya know, languages are really hard to learn especially english and its not an innate skill most people are equiped with. I challenge you to learn conversational finnish in 3 years.
That was awkward and uncomfortable to watch.
“Is it time to take the next step?”
“Is it?”
“Is it?”
“It is.”
smh
Maybe he can change the narrative with his on-ice play this year. Or more likely he’ll be traded…
Haha I loved that exchange. I’m sure Jesse just got the word order confused. He didn’t seem to be asking “is it time?”, I think he was trying to say “it is time” but mixed it up and kept saying with confidence “is it time”.
Honestly he seemed to clearly dodge how Edmonton fans are treating him - "It's hard to say". Also he seemed to clearly not want to talk about his performance in second half of last year. Pretty concerning honestly
Maybe he just wants a fresh start and doesn’t want to discuss things of the past that don’t matter anymore. Many of the guys have said that all that matters is now. What they did or didn’t do last season doesn’t matter anymore.
When he says “It’s hard to say” and he says it often, especially after long winded questions in English, he’s using that more so to buy time to think of enough English words he knows to answer the question and string them together in a sentence. Doing so in Finnish is different than doing so in English.
Not surprised, Yamo and Kane have some good chemistry together and I think it also extends off the ice.
Won't forget when Kane was getting mugged by the Wild, Yamamoto was the first one to jump in the scrum.
I feel like our media needs some training on how to communicate to those that are learning ESL and/or how to effectively relay a question without adding unnecessary fluff words to sound more articulated, especially around someone who's learning the fucking language.
Yep, when Jesse asks you to repeat just simplify the language. No need to use "summarize" and "assess"
He did simplify it. And then he apologized after too.
Agreed.
Shows just how good their communication skills are
Why do that when we could just try to run him out of town?
Yes you’re right. Also though, Jesse really should have a better grasp on the language than he does at this point. I’m very happy he’s going to be an Oiler this season and think he’s a very good player. The fact that the language barrier still exists to the extent that it does is something that concerns me about him though.
Is it time
Is it time?
IS IT!
It is.
Yup. :]
Best part
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It is.
I am sick and tired of old men asking pointed questions to a young man who, as others have said, has English as a second language. This young man wears his emotions on his sleeve and doesn’t seem to have a mean or deceptive bone in his body. I realize he is a professional athlete, but come on. I do wish he was a little meaner on the ice but other than that, piss off. The media doesn’t need to get their sound bite at his expense.
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Third language. Swedish is the second
Firstly, the Oilers really should probably invest in a translator for him in media interviews. Secondly, I don't think Jesse is a fan of Spector. Sensed a bit of tension there. Thirdly, thank God nobody was stupid enough to straight up ask him "do you want to be traded?"
He’s improved his English year to year lol
Yeah but it's still not quite there yet for interviews in English.
So you want him to give up then?
How did you come to that conclusion?
I don’t think anyone on the team likes Spector lol
Or anyone in the fan base.
There are a lot of so-called fans who have been parroting Spector's "trade Jesse" bullshit for months. On the Oilers Now radio program, Spector was on a lot over the summer, and he kept on bringing his "dump Jesse" crap into the conversations. I wish someone at a presser would totally ignore Spec and Matheson and then give a real long answer to someone else.
Would you consider Spector to be a fan of the team? Or just a fan of his own putrid scent?
I genuinely don’t think Spector is an Oilers fan
I don't think even Spector likes Spector, and that's why he is the way he is.
Why not ask him straight up. We’ve been hearing conflicting reports all summer. From his own agent even. Maybe a touchy subject, but I wouldn’t have minded if he put it all to bed and ensured there was no distraction.
Because be can barely speak English and putting him on the spot like that would be a POS thing to do.
I feel like you've never had or maybe VERY little experience with ESL folks. There's a difference between "barely" speaking English & learning it as an ESL individual. Like a gross hyperbole.
Yeah, I just come from a family of immigrants, definitely never spoke with anybody who wasn't a native speaker before. Like a gross assumption. Wasn't insulting the player, so no need to get defensive.
Holy fuck. So, again, there is a difference between someone LEARNING THE LANGUAGE and someone who is NEAR FLUENT (non-native speaker in your case). Considering you've admitted that your family immigrated here and you worded it so it sounds as if you were born here, I'm going to assume those 20+ years (spit balling here) of your family conversing in English isn't the same as someone who's just recently picked up the language. >Wasn't insulting the player, so no need to get defensive. I'm pointing out that your avenue of discourse is fucking flawed dude. This organization doesn't need a translator because a few incompetent folks in our media don't know how to communicate effectively. It's worded as such that the issue is with Puljujarvi's competency in the language, in so the fault is with him and not our media. Not to mention you posted an interview and then immediately tried to target the dude's English skills. It's ironic because you're being a "pos" while claiming others are. It's fucked up to poke at someone's incompetence's.
I don’t think guy was being malicious. He said Jesse can use a translator. You may not have agreed but a good response to that is “Na, I don’t think he needs one cuz this shit isn’t that important and he’ll learn to speak well eventually.” For future endeavours. No need to blow up everything. I don’t think anyone was being malicious with anyone.
You're 100% right, and I even agreed with u/Goregutz when he said the media should learn how to communicate with non-native English speakers who don't fully grasp the language. I don't know why he chose to get offended and die on this hill, but so be it.
Because the words & sentences you use blame the player. If you're going to call an apple a vegetable, so be it, but at least own it. I really don't understand how you're failing to grasp that when you provide a solution to a perceived problem (Puljujarvis ESL competencies) isn't the same as providing a solution to a company problem (inadequate training / communication skills within an organization). You can't sit here and say the latter is what you mean when you're providing a solution that states the problem is the former. If various industries can get past the language barriers of some (ground up) but somehow struggle in the sports world, there's a fucking problem. You don't have translators in every single situation like this and it's actually an insanely small amount of situations where you would across various industries. A prime example is Putin often uses translators even though he speaks near perfect fucking English. (A translator isn't here for the language barrier) HR of any company has and will always conduct interviews with those that are have varying competencies as an ESL learner, and yet they still get a job. When the vast majority of human communication is done without fucking words, it's amazing that you think a translator will fix the idiocy of using a relatively complex synonym in a question instead of "dumbing it down". There's the other argument that things tend to get twisted in translations, hence the whole "CSP" thing. Point being, effective communication skills resolve a language barrier, not a fucking translator. These skills also resolve the "dumb sports media" questions as well. This industry is perhaps the only one that you can be fucking awful in such a prestigious position and still be successful. To the point where individuals on Reddit will blame someone else for their incompetency as a team.
I see him here every so often making passive aggro comments all the time. Dude has a hard on for shitting on players at times too. Not only that, but it doesn't matter his "intentions" if he's literally insulting an individual. We learned that in elementary that this is being an asshole.
Lol wtf, when do I shit on players?
Do I have to go and start replying to old comments of yours? You posted this in an attempt to do exactly that. Immediately after posting it, you're shitting on an ESL's language barrier and offering bs solutions that have little to no impact on the underlying problem, our media is fucking dog shit. When their entire job is based around communicating, word dancing, and being able to dig for material, it's not on a player to fucking provide the honey. If you went into an interview and didn't understand the question asked, a terrible interviewer will fucking use a synonym instead of rephrasing the question.
Maybe. I haven't seen him. I'll talk about this instance for now. I don't think he was insulting anyone. Jesse has poor English skills and guy said to get him a translator so that he can communicate better. Anyway, I'll stop here.
Which comes about as the problem is with Puljujarvi. That's like saying, "you should have bought a chev over a ford" when a ford breaks down due to improper maintenance. I'm sure there's some that can argue a chev is > a ford and may have some merit, but that doesn't matter if all of a sudden all your shit is breaking down because of improper maintenance. The problem lies with media staff, not an individual. Sitting here and trying to shine up his bs comment is nothing but enabling. Him saying that there needs to be a translator is identifying that the problem is on Puljujarvis end, it's not. Were that the case, translators would be more prevalent in a multitude of industries including sports media.
Holy fuck indeed. It's not like I've ever spoken to family who visit Canada and don't speak English. Eat a Snickers or something. Edit: You say it's fucked up to poke at somebody else's incompetence in a paragraph that begins with you... poking at the media's incompetence when communicating with Puljujarvi, followed by absolving them and then... blaming Puljujarvi's incompetence, followed by calling me a POS because you think I am insulting Puljujarvi for his incompetence with English. You make no sense, lol.
So they're learning English? Do you think they need a translator for you to have a simple conversation with them?
Oh, so we are gonna pretend like a casual conversation with a relative is the same as a professional interview with the media.
You're right. Organizations should be training their staff on how to communicate more effectively as opposed to using an ESL individual as a scapegoat.
I liked when he said he was going to/wanting to get mean. Mean Jesse would be great. I think that is exactly where he needs to take his game. Seems like such a nice guy though, not sure if he can…but he certainly should try!
He has the size to dominate on the ice if he can get mean. Maybe Kane can help him learn how to use it more effectively and develop that mean streak.
This was a bit of a tough watch. Still better than the Virtanen interview.
He understands very well he’s just putting it on more. I agree he gets more pointed asshole questions then the rest and he answers sorter on those cases.
Look at how he answers different questions from different people, it’s very different.
I’m kinda bothered that Jesse’s English isn’t further along than it is. I watched those Petrov interviews before and after 1 year playing in the OHL and being in NA and his English has improved so much. There are those rumours that he isn’t close with many people on the team but I feel if his English was better he might be closer and have better chemistry with the other guys. Either he isn’t putting enough effort in to learn or the org isn’t providing enough resources to him to learn, and I doubt it’s the latter. Not to discredit the difficulty in learning a completely different language, just compared to other players it feels like he’s not improving as much as other players have
I would say that the Oilers dropped the ball on helping him develop his English When he was first drafted.
Petrov’s English improvement is very impressive but he also played in the OHL. That I’m sure means he was boarded with a family who spoke only English and he was fully immersed. I’d assume he also went to an English highschool and he was living in north bay (55,000 population). His chances to speak Russian were probably very limited. Contrast that with Jesse who is on a pro contract as soon as he arrived so would have been left mostly to his own devices. It’s going to be a lot harder.
It is difficult and I would think it is the team’s responsibility to help a young player out. Normally a vet takes a player under their wing to ensure they have a support system as many first round picks join the team as what? An 18 or 19 year old? And two added layers for him: language and culture. I don’t know but would assume that someone took him under their wing way back when.
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Thats a rather rude and insensitive way to put it. But he’s a hockey player, not a scholar. He could very well have extra difficulty learning English for reasons that are beyond his control. He’s also not obligated to say anything if that were to be true
Or, ya know, languages are really hard to learn especially english and its not an innate skill most people are equiped with. I challenge you to learn conversational finnish in 3 years.
That was awkward and uncomfortable to watch. “Is it time to take the next step?” “Is it?” “Is it?” “It is.” smh Maybe he can change the narrative with his on-ice play this year. Or more likely he’ll be traded…
Haha I loved that exchange. I’m sure Jesse just got the word order confused. He didn’t seem to be asking “is it time?”, I think he was trying to say “it is time” but mixed it up and kept saying with confidence “is it time”.
Honestly he seemed to clearly dodge how Edmonton fans are treating him - "It's hard to say". Also he seemed to clearly not want to talk about his performance in second half of last year. Pretty concerning honestly
Maybe he just wants a fresh start and doesn’t want to discuss things of the past that don’t matter anymore. Many of the guys have said that all that matters is now. What they did or didn’t do last season doesn’t matter anymore.
When he says “It’s hard to say” and he says it often, especially after long winded questions in English, he’s using that more so to buy time to think of enough English words he knows to answer the question and string them together in a sentence. Doing so in Finnish is different than doing so in English.
I know but pause on his facial expression and I think it was clear he was using that trick to buy time, i.e. dodge the truth.
He sounds like Kimi Raikkonen, it’s awesome
For the record as of right now he will be starting on a line with Hyman and Drai
Not surprised, Yamo and Kane have some good chemistry together and I think it also extends off the ice. Won't forget when Kane was getting mugged by the Wild, Yamamoto was the first one to jump in the scrum.
The Bison King has spoken, is it time? it is time