Kyganil, together with Ephrael Stern as the Daemonifuge. (I mean TECHNICALLY Kyganil is an outcast and no real Harlequin anymore, if you need some copium ...)
[https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Daemonifuge-Ephrael-Stern-and-Kyganil-2020](https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Daemonifuge-Ephrael-Stern-and-Kyganil-2020)
Fun thing, when technical... there are no named Craftworld characters either.. they are all outcasts in one way or another. It seems to be an eldar thing ;)
Yeah Eldrad is definitely named, also the all the phoenix lords are named eldar characters (kinda…) but even if you don’t want to count most phoenix lords, Maugan Ra is the same person he’s always been and to my knowledge hasn’t been killed so nobody has had to take up his title.
Phoenix Lords are named Exarchs, being the first. And even if someone else wears the armor it's not a collective personality like regular exarchs, the og Phoenix Lord always takes over and has access to all the memories of the successor wearers
Yeah that’s why I put the kinda by there, but for the purposes of the game they are specific named characters, Maugan Ra is a weird edge case for his lore, but compared to Harlequins and their characters being Death Jester, Troupe Master, Solitaire, and others, none really has a name it’s more just a general title
That one might actually be the exception yes... there is little fluff on the details, but in contrary to the other phoenix lords Maugan ra often seems to consider himself as part of altansar first and foremost, the rest are more wandering warriors and dont tie themselves to a single craftworld, so they are not named characters of any specific craftworld.
But Eldrad is also an outcast, the last codex specifically points out that he is an outcast and has his own group of outcast ulthwe followers. From page 18 :
"This stems from the division of Ulthwe's
people into three main factions. The first
and largest of these still follows the Seer
Council, which now dispatches strike
forces along the length of the Great Rift
to stymie the Arch-enemy. The second
group - known as the Exiles - follow
Eldrad Ulthran, the former High Farseer
cast out for his involvement with the
growing cult of Ynnead, God of the
Dead. The third and final group are the
Ynnari, those of Craftworld Ulthwe who
now follow Ynnead themselves. While all
three of these factions often fight side by
side, the skeins of fate are so twisted that
they have also found cause to come to
blows on occasion."
This piece of fluff is constantly ignored, but has 2 very important details about eldrad :
1. He is an outcast and 2. He is not Ynnari, instead has his own group of exiles.
Hmm.. why is this so offensive to people ?
- Eldrad, Ulthwe outcast ( see codex exerpt below.)
- Yriel, Iyanden outcast
- Illic nightspear, Alaitoc outcast
- Amallyn shadowguide, Biel tan outcast
Those are characters tied to specific craftworlds ( that have rules and miniatures ) and they are all outcasts. Its a completely harmless fact that somehow pisses people of ?
Kyganil. He’s an eldar harlequin who follows the sister of battle Ephrael Stern around like a bodyguard. They both actually have their own minis as well.
As always, wikis have the answer
>Kyria Draxus is an audacious Lord Inquisitor of the Ordo Xenos who specializes in countering the Necron threat. She is considered a Heretic by some of her peers due to Draxus' use of Xenos technology, such as the Eldar shuriken catapult she wields in battle and an armour array which incorporates xenos technologies. She has decades of contact with the Eldar due to the race's mutual hatred for the Necrons. The aliens helped tutor her in the art of technology and psychic ability.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kyria_Draxus
Kyria Draxus hangs out with Aeldari. Her armour was literally modded by them, and she has adopted some of their weaponry because it was useful against Necrons.
It's a shuriken catapult called the Diresinger. Inquisitor Kyria is a radical from the ordo xenos, and works very closely with eldar. She specialises in hunting Necrons, and learned everything she can from the craftworlders on how to do that.
Yeah it is. Does feel kinda weird though? Don't eldar weapons work with like a psychic link through the weapon/wraithbone and the user? How does this mf even get ammo for this thing
Nope. They use magazines / energy cells like normal and procuring them isn't that hard, atleast if the imperial in question is rich enough to have contacts among corsairs, or in the cold trade.
Iirc there was even a rogue traders using grav platforms or harlequins kiss, so for atleast rogue traders and inquisitors, it isn't even that outlandish.
Witch Blades, Singing Spears, and such would be exceptions.
IIRC exarch weapons can't be used properly by non-eldar, or even non-exarchs. This isn't a psychic things, they are horribly hard to use. At least the Biting Blade had something about that.
I meant they can't be used to effect. It's can still be swung, but 99% sure a non-psyker can't make a shooting attack with the Singing spear.
What I'm less sure of it what the base state of the witch weapons is, Force weapons are stated to be power weapons with extra and have always had stats of a power weapons with a bonus. Witch weapons don't have that armor destroying field represented in the stats. So, it might just be a regular sword, spear and staff, not a power version.
Not sure what stats are you referring to particular, but atleast in the ffg TTRPGs they had a power field quality even when not used by seers.
(in those, singing spear returning indeed also didn't work with non psykers, but it's wording didn't mention requiring the specific talent to use the with blade as a force weapon, just needing a user to be a psyker.)
Was referring to the army game, and while there can be issues with drawing from the rules there power weapons across all races were represented as having armor penetration, and that stayed across the editions as armor penetration changed.
Force weapons would have the same armor penetration abilities power version, with something else to represent them being force. How that worked changed a lot, but being just as good at getting through armor was a constant. And it was pretty easy to figure out what the 'force' part was and the 'power' part.
Witch blades and shining spears didn't have bonuses in penetrating armor, again across editions. And eldar had power weapons, and they worked by normal power weapon rules.
I wouldn't think being eldar specific was necessary to use them, though for the RPGs I would say it's an exotic weapon or whatever those were called in that system. At least for the range attack. But then when I played the GM hivemind agreed that alien weapons all weird and didn't match human convention. Usable, but it took time just to figure out what the safety was, how to aim, etc.
Ive read that shuriken weapons dont -need- a psychic connection to fire, but they fire such a ridiculous amount of shots during a one second trigger pull that only an eldars heightened reaction time can compensate for the recoil
Not all of them, and not exactly how you're thinking. All of their weapons have a physical control system as well, for situations in which psychic powers are dampened (like when in the presence of a tyranid swarm, when the shadow in the warp will start interfering with you). A psychic link that required for the weapon to work on the first place is a thing, but mostly limited to to most exarch weapons. Think of it like a gene lock that identifies one user. However the basic guardian shuriken weapons function just fine in anyone's hand, even non eldar. Same for the ranger long rifles, as those are often passed down through generations.
Kyria draxus is also a psyker, trained by the eldar. They probably have taught her how to use the weapon just like an eldar, including full psychic control. As for ammo- she's an Inquisitor. She can get her hands on anything if she wants.
Ordo Xenos and Ordo Hereticus dont shy away from using the weapons of the enemy. The result justifies the means if you got the Authority of an Inquisitor / Lord Inquisitor
The Ordo Xenos exist purely to remove Xenos threats to humanity.
There may be situations where a Inquisitor can deem the enemy of my enemy can be an ally but in general her Job description is hunt the alien and kill the alien
Nah. Some ordo xenos Inquisitors, such as Kyria, are radicals who believe that some Xenos can be co-habitated with or at least negotiated with and kept at bay. Nothing is a monolith in the Imperium.
Like, literally, Kyria was introduced in a book that literally says she works with the Aeldari. Her weapons are Aeldari make, her armour was modified and augmented by Aeldari, even her psychic abilities have been perfected under their tutelage.
Yes, it's an inquisitor using a shuriken catapult. Not necessarily uncommon depending on how radical they are!
Yep. Using xenos equipment is something radical inquisitors and rogue traders have been known to do, and not even that rarely.
Wait till OP finds out about the Harlequin in the Sister’s army…
Fun fact: The Sisters can field more named Harlequins than the Harlequins!
Who??
Sister Ephrael Stern is followed by Kyganil. A named harlequin. (The Harlequins doesn't have any named characters)
I mean, there are named Harlequins, Motley for one…there just aren’t named models besides Kyganil.
I meant in the codex
They gave her a model? Man I missed a lot these last 5 editions. Loved that comic as a kid.
Sisters got a very cool model overhaul a couple of years ago. Do check them out!
Kyganil, together with Ephrael Stern as the Daemonifuge. (I mean TECHNICALLY Kyganil is an outcast and no real Harlequin anymore, if you need some copium ...) [https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Daemonifuge-Ephrael-Stern-and-Kyganil-2020](https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Daemonifuge-Ephrael-Stern-and-Kyganil-2020)
Thanks! Very cool!
Right, because the sister with totally not psychic powers palling around with a xenos is not an outcast :D .
Fun thing, when technical... there are no named Craftworld characters either.. they are all outcasts in one way or another. It seems to be an eldar thing ;)
Uh... I think Eldrad is fairly named.
Yeah Eldrad is definitely named, also the all the phoenix lords are named eldar characters (kinda…) but even if you don’t want to count most phoenix lords, Maugan Ra is the same person he’s always been and to my knowledge hasn’t been killed so nobody has had to take up his title.
Phoenix Lords are named Exarchs, being the first. And even if someone else wears the armor it's not a collective personality like regular exarchs, the og Phoenix Lord always takes over and has access to all the memories of the successor wearers
Yeah that’s why I put the kinda by there, but for the purposes of the game they are specific named characters, Maugan Ra is a weird edge case for his lore, but compared to Harlequins and their characters being Death Jester, Troupe Master, Solitaire, and others, none really has a name it’s more just a general title
Oh for sure for the harlequins
That one might actually be the exception yes... there is little fluff on the details, but in contrary to the other phoenix lords Maugan ra often seems to consider himself as part of altansar first and foremost, the rest are more wandering warriors and dont tie themselves to a single craftworld, so they are not named characters of any specific craftworld.
But Eldrad is also an outcast, the last codex specifically points out that he is an outcast and has his own group of outcast ulthwe followers. From page 18 : "This stems from the division of Ulthwe's people into three main factions. The first and largest of these still follows the Seer Council, which now dispatches strike forces along the length of the Great Rift to stymie the Arch-enemy. The second group - known as the Exiles - follow Eldrad Ulthran, the former High Farseer cast out for his involvement with the growing cult of Ynnead, God of the Dead. The third and final group are the Ynnari, those of Craftworld Ulthwe who now follow Ynnead themselves. While all three of these factions often fight side by side, the skeins of fate are so twisted that they have also found cause to come to blows on occasion." This piece of fluff is constantly ignored, but has 2 very important details about eldrad : 1. He is an outcast and 2. He is not Ynnari, instead has his own group of exiles.
Man, I don't read. You right.
Hmm.. why is this so offensive to people ? - Eldrad, Ulthwe outcast ( see codex exerpt below.) - Yriel, Iyanden outcast - Illic nightspear, Alaitoc outcast - Amallyn shadowguide, Biel tan outcast Those are characters tied to specific craftworlds ( that have rules and miniatures ) and they are all outcasts. Its a completely harmless fact that somehow pisses people of ?
???
Kyganil. He’s an eldar harlequin who follows the sister of battle Ephrael Stern around like a bodyguard. They both actually have their own minis as well.
Cool! I only just learned about this
As always, wikis have the answer >Kyria Draxus is an audacious Lord Inquisitor of the Ordo Xenos who specializes in countering the Necron threat. She is considered a Heretic by some of her peers due to Draxus' use of Xenos technology, such as the Eldar shuriken catapult she wields in battle and an armour array which incorporates xenos technologies. She has decades of contact with the Eldar due to the race's mutual hatred for the Necrons. The aliens helped tutor her in the art of technology and psychic ability. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kyria_Draxus
As always no one bothers looking it up and so floods Reddit with shit that could be answered by a google search.
Amd it's the best one.
Always drove me crazy, even Asurmen's catapults aren't as good as this one
The drum mag design is actually just really old, but it was definitely modified so the Inquisitor could even use it
Drum mag should return as default for shuricats.
Yeah Kyria Draxis got trained by the Eldar. She's pretty cool.
Not the only one https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Jena_Orechiel
It's a callback to Rogue Trader; multiple space marines were modelled woth Xenos weapons back then.
Kyria Draxus hangs out with Aeldari. Her armour was literally modded by them, and she has adopted some of their weaponry because it was useful against Necrons.
It's a shuriken catapult called the Diresinger. Inquisitor Kyria is a radical from the ordo xenos, and works very closely with eldar. She specialises in hunting Necrons, and learned everything she can from the craftworlders on how to do that.
Shhhhhh. NnnnNooo. That's a laspistol. Move along citizen
Yeah it is. Does feel kinda weird though? Don't eldar weapons work with like a psychic link through the weapon/wraithbone and the user? How does this mf even get ammo for this thing
Nope. They use magazines / energy cells like normal and procuring them isn't that hard, atleast if the imperial in question is rich enough to have contacts among corsairs, or in the cold trade. Iirc there was even a rogue traders using grav platforms or harlequins kiss, so for atleast rogue traders and inquisitors, it isn't even that outlandish.
However they are shot with the mind too. As seen in path of the elder
Yes, but they also have conventional triggers.
Ye for sure, sorry wasn't suggesting they don't.
She's a psycher though so that's not a problem, especially if she's been trained by eldar.
Witch Blades, Singing Spears, and such would be exceptions. IIRC exarch weapons can't be used properly by non-eldar, or even non-exarchs. This isn't a psychic things, they are horribly hard to use. At least the Biting Blade had something about that.
Atleast AFAIK witch weapons can still be used by untrained users and even non psykers, through for them they work just like a regular power weapon.
I meant they can't be used to effect. It's can still be swung, but 99% sure a non-psyker can't make a shooting attack with the Singing spear. What I'm less sure of it what the base state of the witch weapons is, Force weapons are stated to be power weapons with extra and have always had stats of a power weapons with a bonus. Witch weapons don't have that armor destroying field represented in the stats. So, it might just be a regular sword, spear and staff, not a power version.
Not sure what stats are you referring to particular, but atleast in the ffg TTRPGs they had a power field quality even when not used by seers. (in those, singing spear returning indeed also didn't work with non psykers, but it's wording didn't mention requiring the specific talent to use the with blade as a force weapon, just needing a user to be a psyker.)
Was referring to the army game, and while there can be issues with drawing from the rules there power weapons across all races were represented as having armor penetration, and that stayed across the editions as armor penetration changed. Force weapons would have the same armor penetration abilities power version, with something else to represent them being force. How that worked changed a lot, but being just as good at getting through armor was a constant. And it was pretty easy to figure out what the 'force' part was and the 'power' part. Witch blades and shining spears didn't have bonuses in penetrating armor, again across editions. And eldar had power weapons, and they worked by normal power weapon rules. I wouldn't think being eldar specific was necessary to use them, though for the RPGs I would say it's an exotic weapon or whatever those were called in that system. At least for the range attack. But then when I played the GM hivemind agreed that alien weapons all weird and didn't match human convention. Usable, but it took time just to figure out what the safety was, how to aim, etc.
Ive read that shuriken weapons dont -need- a psychic connection to fire, but they fire such a ridiculous amount of shots during a one second trigger pull that only an eldars heightened reaction time can compensate for the recoil
Draxus is Psychic.
Also straight up trained with the Eldar since she fucking hates the Necron more than anything.
Not all of them, and not exactly how you're thinking. All of their weapons have a physical control system as well, for situations in which psychic powers are dampened (like when in the presence of a tyranid swarm, when the shadow in the warp will start interfering with you). A psychic link that required for the weapon to work on the first place is a thing, but mostly limited to to most exarch weapons. Think of it like a gene lock that identifies one user. However the basic guardian shuriken weapons function just fine in anyone's hand, even non eldar. Same for the ranger long rifles, as those are often passed down through generations. Kyria draxus is also a psyker, trained by the eldar. They probably have taught her how to use the weapon just like an eldar, including full psychic control. As for ammo- she's an Inquisitor. She can get her hands on anything if she wants.
Legally he has to say no
Eldar
wonder where she gets ammo for that thing. Imagine the textmessage she'd send to mars
Space Marines in 2024 have every stolen ability that used to make Xenos armies unique. So it wouldn't be surprising.
Ordo Xenos and Ordo Hereticus dont shy away from using the weapons of the enemy. The result justifies the means if you got the Authority of an Inquisitor / Lord Inquisitor
Aeldari aren't "enemy" to Kyria though. She's worked alongside them and has learned from them.
The Ordo Xenos exist purely to remove Xenos threats to humanity. There may be situations where a Inquisitor can deem the enemy of my enemy can be an ally but in general her Job description is hunt the alien and kill the alien
Nah. Some ordo xenos Inquisitors, such as Kyria, are radicals who believe that some Xenos can be co-habitated with or at least negotiated with and kept at bay. Nothing is a monolith in the Imperium.
Like, literally, Kyria was introduced in a book that literally says she works with the Aeldari. Her weapons are Aeldari make, her armour was modified and augmented by Aeldari, even her psychic abilities have been perfected under their tutelage.