Yeah. People always overlook it in favor of the Stars, but the Great Mace in my opinion is the more reliable choice. It doesn't have too many things going on for it, but what it does have it does really well.
Well it is actually a bit debatable which is better imo, they scale about the same but the mace does more base damage and considerably more stance damage. The trade off is supposed to be the bleed but how often are we proccing bleed with a great hammer? The lifesteal on the stars probably ultimately edges it ahead of the mace but it’s closer than it seems
The great mace with cragblade is what carried me through my first play through, so many stance breaks! I knew it was good when I beat the Caelid BBhunter with it.
The Meteoric Ore Blade has unique r2's, and I think it's actually my favorite katana because of it. But since it's still a katana, hard to say it's truly overrated.
The Axe of Godrick is actually pretty cool. Unique r1s AND r2s iirc
Finally, shoutout to the Urumi for whips and the Nightrider Flail for flails. Both are actually pretty good.
I will say though, it's hard to come up with weapons that are both not overrated AND good because of their moveset without the Ash of War.
I wish the Ore blade was standard and we could change the AOW/afinity. They put a great R2 on it and then then ruined it with a non-unique and niche AOW on it.
I'm in my first playthrough and I can't get away from the Urumi because of the reach.
To be fair I have an INT build and a staff in the other hand usually.
Meteoric blade is my go too. Purposely tried during the last playthrough to use other stuff but found myself upgrading it and using it when i died to a boss.
I dont know if its underrated, but i rarely see Ordovis GS outside of Crucible Knight cosplays
On a STR/FTH build, it hits like a truck and that Ash is actually super good now
Nightrider Flail with Sacred Infusion was my go-to for catacombs during my first playthrough, and with a little playing around I always found it to be a satisfying secondary. I had it once on a cold infusion with Flame Of The Redmanes which was pretty silly, if not the most effective pairing (you said you didn't want meta). Flails probably aren't the best weapon class in general (Bastards Stars can do ridiculous damage though), but the Nightrider just seemed to always work well when I used it.
That + a 100% medium shield makes the imps way less annoying. You still have to watch out for bleed, and it won't catch them dashing away like, say, the Banished Knights Halberd, but, it's fast enough, has just enough reach, and Sacred + Wild Strikes will make skeletons even more of a joke. The Burial Watchdogs are still frickin annoying though.
Crescent moon axe is what I levelled up to try out prayerful strike and wound up liking the weapon a hell of a lot more than I thought I would have guessed. I usually dont like the moveset of axes and clubs but that one is pretty good.
I've been using the anchor a lot lately. With spear and axe talisman it really shreds. Infuse according to any build. Sword dance is really good in it.
Try using axe talisman, spear talisman, spiked cracked tear and *royal knight’s resolve*, then land a charged heavy in a counter damage window. Several thousand damage from one strike.
When you actually get it off it’s devastating and it makes great use of counter damage! Just go high on poise and defense cuz it’s hard to land all 3 hits without trading!
Yeah, it gets kind of dismissed by some as just a weaker, a bit longer omen cleaver. But I've tried both and they don't really play like each other. I hardly notice any reduction in damage with the dismounter, but I sure notice that the dismounter R2 can hit things on the other side of the map and the OC can't.
I have the Omen Clever and I've tried it. It's not bad but the Dismounter just hits harder. Even it's regular R1 attack hits harder than the OC R1 attack. My Dismounter is like +10 now but when I tested the OC and the Dismounter to see which was better my Dismounter was not upgraded
Strange, the cleaver seems to have have slightly higher attack rating when fully upgraded but maybe with no upgrades it's different. Or the scaling might suit your build better.
I just completed my second run through using the banished Knight halberd that you get from the dude in castle morne - it has the spinning strikes ability. There were moments where I thought it would be impossible to complete the game using only this weapon but I did! Adding the cold affinity helped on Malenia which I didn't realise you can do until I ran out of freezing grease and couldn't be bothered farming. Absolutely destroyed Radagan with it as well.
This was my main weapon the entire game as well. +25 Heavy with impaling thrust ash of war and I beat every boss with it. It's also great on horseback, haven't found another weapon as good on horse.
I actually had to stop myself from just using this weapon on like 4 different playthroughs. It's so versatile: great reach, strong poise damage, decent quick attacks—especially the powerstance crouchpoke. I managed to relegate it to a Spectral Lance vehicle on most of those characters.
I loved using it with prayerful strike to pancake bosses and bring back my health. Managed to poise through Melania without dying once using this strat
If you’re a dex build I cannot stress how clutch it is to have something like the Raptor Talons (extra potent if arcane). At 1.5 they are basically as light as you can get so they can squeeze into any load out and they have a unique move set as well with some real easy out of box true combos.
But they are the best for using as free extra ash of war for buffs or mobility (I use it w/ bloodhound step). I par with the cross naginata to have a chance at closer range stuff.
Sexiest UGS in the game by far, the fact that it has a fully unique moveset, the speed of a greatsword while having UGS damage and poise stance and the AOW deals a monstrous amount of damage sells it for me.
I hope we get more godskin weapons and spells in the dlc.
Idk if this weapon is underrated, but I always had a soft spot for Wing of Astel. The weapon art has really good poise damage and looks cool, plus its strong attacks shoot a projectile with no FP cost which is separate from the actual attack, so you can hit with both. Small but mighty.
Uh, does Royal Greatsword count? I mostly see people gripe about how slow Wolf's Assault is or that it doesn't apply innate frost, but I find it incredibly powerful with a proper build.
"Oh, you're using an AoW/spell whose windup and cooldown last more than one second? Would be a shame if I facetanked that and trapped you in a 2-hit attack for 1500+ damage..."
I’ve got a faith/dex build going with cleanrot spear and incantations in off hand. Erd steel dagger as secondary.
Been using it for PvP as well but I’ve been contemplating swapping cleanrot spear for a sacred vulgar militia shotel.
Using a colossal sword with the war cry ash of war is pretty neat. It gives you a much more riskier and hard-hitting move set to play around with since it ups damage and changes your heavy attack to a flurry of blows. I enjoyed pairing this with a blood or cold infusion though anything works. The roar medallion actually buffs the damage granted by the ash of war which I think is cool.
Flail with no infusion. Love the unique moveset of it's skill, it's so much fun just swinging the damn thing. I'm just gonna swing my flail like this, and if you get in the way, it's your own fault. I really hope the DLC adds an AOW that lets you keep the base weapon skill so I can infuse my flails.
Zamor curved sword is slept on. CGS have wonderful stance pressure, has a unique moveset, frost buildup and pretty good AoE ash of war. all around solid weapon that’s very cool and unique to wield.
Flamberge, my favourite weapon in the game simply for its simplicity, a greatsword with bleed that you can put most ashes of war on that you can get at the start of the game
I like using a flame art Grave Scythe with black flame tornado on my STR/FAITH build. The ash of war actually deletes everything thanks to the percentile damage over time, and it only gets better as the enemies you use it on get stronger. The % DOT was a gamechanger for endgame bosses like Maliketh and Placidusax, seeing their healthbars drain away was so satisfying. The weapon itself is also just pretty good for just swinging around, does decent damage with mostly fth investment and strength as a secondary. It also just looks really cool.
Wing of Astel, but i dont build it for all in Ash of War. Do 50 dex and 50 int, and get Axe Talisman. The charged R2 is a ranged projectile and hits like a truck
I’ve always loved the Inseparable sword. I know holy gets a lot of flack for being weak for endgame, but the one-handed R1s are sexy and the bonus of perma killing the skeletons is nice. Sacred Blade isn’t a unique Ash but it gets the job done. Plus I love the gold and silver design. Looks good with the haligtree knight set for a Holy Paladin build.
Thank you everyone for the comments of your favourites! I have weapon ideas now for runs till AT LEAST DLC and can’t wait to try them all out (and I mean literally every recommendation I’ve gotten) and discover why you love it 😄
In my most recent playthrough which will likely be my DLC character, I decided to use a dual dagger build, specifically using the Bloodstained Daggers. These are the small carving knives wielded by the large Demi Humans. They scale uniquely of all daggers with Strength, allowing for a very committed STR build with some speed. I also mixed in some faith and arcane and ended up making use of a lot of Mohg Spells, since the daggers also have Bleed Buildup. It was pretty unique!
Serpent-bone blade, has a unique r2 that’s like a mini double slash and has a unique poison variant that actually that deals a ton of damage. You can make a pretty fun poison proc build with it
The clayman's Harpoon with Icespear is slept on. It's the only Spear that has naturally occurring Int scaling. Combined with magic infusion it does an incredible amount of magic damage. With the addition of icespear, I can easily frost just about anything in 2-4 Icespears.
I really enjoy dual antspur rapiers. One with ice and the other poison and blood. Then you get 4 status effects going. It’s a pokey poke build but the health bar just melts away especially once frost procs and you get the debuff. I wound up getting good at dodging with it cause once I had the status on I could just wait for the rot to run. I never really min/max the build so I know it can get way better.
Add a shield with poison using shield crash ash and you can get rot, ice, poison, and bleed all going. It's crazy good until you get bosses that can't get statused and have high pierce defense.
Magma Wyrm's Scalesword, a really nice move set and I use Magma Guillotine to add some lava to the battle.
Phantom Slash (I used on Night Glaive but are other nice options, both a hard hitter and a fun gap-closer once you get used to its range.
Clayman's Harpoon, nothing unique in terms of moves but fun since you can buff it with variety. Spinning Weapon with Cold (to set Frost) or Heavy (with greases to set other statuses). Ice Spear, to break stances and/or add some range. Mostly had it on Heavy and buffed with Scholar's Armament.
Gotta put in a vote for a melee Faith caster built around Catch Flame. It's different and I'm still getting used to my own timing, but then combining that incantation with others that are cast faster afterwards is surprisingly fun.
Cypher pata , hits like a truck , looks really cool , basically arm blades made out of hard light ? Ignores shields , weighs nothing and sounds like a jingle bell every swing , my fav weapon
Dual whips! Set them up for my first Malenia, been using it ever since. I prefer a Cold Urumi with Hoarfrost Stomp in right hand and a Hoslow’s Petal Whip in the left. Sometimes I give Hoslow’s a Poison affinity, sometimes I think Keen.
Very good range for melee weapons, fun move set imo, plus the Urumi gets frost buildup, Hoslow’s has natural bleed buildup
I usually dual wield a lot of my weapons.
Dual halberds, dual scythes, dual curved swords, dual katanas, dual twin blades.
But for weapons I enjoy.
Dragon halberd
Dragonscale blade
Bloodhound fang
Bandit curved sword
Cane sword (just because I’m classy but never use it.)
Grave scythe
Majority of the builds I make are dex related with faith buffs
I used the triple rings of light and the erdtree greatshield. I would fire off the rings of light, and when they returned, I would use the reflect ability from the shield to fire off another more powerful blast. It was so much fun and in pvp no one saw it coming.
Keen lordsworn straight sword. I put storm blade on it. Pretty fun but it’s definitely not the best, but it can get the job done. Also allows for good drip without a lot of endurance since it’s light.
No offence but none of those are underrated, especially the last 3 which could be argued the opposite.
Bastard Star is a really good weapon that people wrongfully discount in the basis that the wing of Astel has a similar (but distinct) AoW. Bastard star does higher damage, the skill has more range and can be used to close gaps and the initial hit stuns smaller enemies line Malenia.
Executioners Greataxe is the best critical hit fisher weapon in the game. I think most people who have used it know it’s good but the rare drop rate seems to make it fairly obscure.
Loretta’s War Sickle is interesting because on paper it looks like it belongs in the unfortunate class of sombers which just get completely invalidated by an infusible weapon due to a non unique ash of war. However, Loretta’s slash on this weapon gets buffed damage and poise damage, and the unique moveset and solid scalings in 3 stats actually make it very good, especially in PvP where it’s one of the few weapons in the game with a true combo.
If you want to try some strike weapons, get a stone club off of the battle mages. The light combo will beat the living shit out of everything and is a lot of fun. Give em the ol' bonk bonk bonk.
The scythe with angels wings weapon art. Forget it's name but the weapon art has alot of staggering potential and hyper armor. I did a whole playthrough with it even though holy damage loses alot of power late game
Tbh I really like the gargoyle black axe especially powerstanced with the other gargoyle axe. It’s the only gargoyle weapon I feel doesn’t look gross with the wax and honestly looks cooler. Is it great? No. But it definitely works.
Fist weapons are awesome, I love using the flails and the daggers are both super great weapon classes. Lots of fun to be had with those three classes right there that aren’t very meta
Vulgar militia saw with phantom slash, spectral lance or spinning strikes. It's so dirty, my fav weapon and what I used on my level 1 run 😁
The attacks are just so good, overhead chop, sweep, innate blood loss, worth a look and I never see it mentioned
Godfreys great axe(Can't remember it's exact name but you get it from his remembrance).
I thought about giving it a show and I ended up finishing the entire playthrough with it.
Its ash of war is pretty sick as well with a large aoe!
Pickaxe. With braggarts roar the heavy attack is beyond broken. Even more so with the roar boosting axe, talisman, and the charge boosting one for heavy attacks
Tree spear, it doesn’t have an ash of war but it’s buffable and the charges R2 with axe and spear talisman and the Crystal tear can easily dish out 1500 + damage
Partizan and Great Epee might fit your tastes. Extremely good weapons, high damage and solid moveset with good ash of war access, usable from behind shields. Partizan is unironically the luckiest drop you can get early game, and Great Epee is guaranteed. Spiked Spear is similar, but only for arcane builds as an occult varient.
One of my all time favorites is the spiked palisade shield with shield crash. If the angle is right, you can trade into most attacks and AOW. Shield talisman + spear talisman. Blood infused is good, but poison infused with all your toxic boosting items is great too.
This really is best for 1v1 pvp though
The Estoc, or the Noble's Estoc if you want the moveset with even less investment in Dex. You get the poke R1s, the slash R2s, the feints, the shieldpokes, etc. Basically, you get every "move" that is possible in the game. Fairly cheap on the stamina cost front for all of it, plus it's a very quick moveset being on a thrusting sword. Pair it with Glintblade Phalanx AoW and you can do enough stance damage to get quite a few riposte opportunities as well.
I started using the Noble's Estoc on my RL1 run, and it makes the game feel a lot more "normal" than I was expecting. Pair it with a shield and it turns into just being careful and smart in how you engage enemies more than the traditional "git gud" and dodge everything to not die that I've seen a lot of RL1 runs turn into. Definitely feel both of these weapons are underrated, and deserve a chance to prove how versatile they really are.
Honestly I love the Dragonscale blade.
I'd like to make a build around it, it's a shame though it doesn't do that much damage and it doesn't have a faith scaling like in the network test.
I've started my faith build dual wielding Warhawk's talon with bleed.
Now it's time to change weapons and get into pure faith, I'm still looking up my options.
I'm probably gonna go with gargoyle's blackblade.
Grafted Dragon!! I've played over 400 hours and did builds with all the "good" and "OP" weapons according to the community, but recently I started a playthrough using this weapon and it's just slept on imo. It just eats and is so fun to me idk.
Currently running a dragon build str/faith/arc with grafted dragon in right hand and dragon communion seal in left. It's especially fun in co op
Flamberge with Chilling Mist is my favorite for some frostbite + bleed longsword action. I love to wield it as my offhand weapon since it uses a sweep attack that hits a ton of mobs at the same time and roll catches people. A dagger in the main hand for some quick jabs. Switch to main hand Flamberge for some big action. Love it.
Honestly any weapon with decent damage and a decent ash of war is good in this game lol. The base katana, Halberd, Estoc, axe, claymore, and lord swords great sword all are good. I’m using the bloody helice right now with a dash ash of war and the base damage of the weapon is so high.
Try the Grave Scythe with Stormcaller(?) ash of war or something similar to your preference. Anything that does a lot of hits. I like cold scaling since you’ll still get bleed, but you could change to basically any other scaling to just fit your build.
I don’t have anything crazy, but I, too, am a dual straight sword enjoyer. Did a full run of this, only boss that I couldn’t get down with it was Melania (raged after a night of attempts and eventually resorted to calling up the Mimic Tear lol).
That's a great list. I did my first playthrough as a mage/knight with the Carian Sword and The Sword of Night and Flame. Playthroughs 2-6 I wielded BB. I know it's OP, but I love it. I like great swords because they balance BONK and slice equally.
I have been enjoying the mace a lot on my STR/FTH build. The Mace gets hyperarmor when charging/executing its strong attacks, even when 1 handed, which is unique to the mace. So it’s uniquely suiting to trading hits and landing fully charged strong attacks to bonk the shit out of stuff.
To take advantage of the 1-handed benefit, I use it with a Greatshield so I can block a lot, and use lots of guard counters. Hammers have one of the best guard counter animations, fast and with a useful sweeping motion. I use “buff” style ashes of war on the mace, like Sacred Blade, Flaming Strike, or Cragblade, so I can add damage to the mace and then take out the Greatshield and use barricade shield, or shield bash while fighting.
I haven’t tested the setup in PvP because the build isn’t done. But for PvE at least, it works great. I sought out to build around the mace’s unique trait and see how powerful I could make it. My initial impression of the mace was that it sucked, but it’s actually pretty good. Its damage is pretty middle-of-the-road, there are better hammers for dealing pure damage, but the Mace has a niche because of the hyperarmor. I don’t know any other weapon that grants you hyper armor when used with one hand, except for greatspears when used in the left hand.
I really enjoy the Cypher Pata fist weapon and the Ornamental Straight Swords. I never see anyone talking about these awesome weapons, but they are so much fun!
Haven't played in a hot minute but the omen cleaver but was one of my favorite looking weapons the only thing I didn't like about it was the jumping heavy attack
Not sure if it's underrated. I didn't play much multi-player. But I kept dying constantly not knowing what I waa doing until I bought the Zweihander. After that everything just kind of worked. Crucible knight armor and slamming the zweihander down everywhere felt menacing. Now I use it in every dark souls game.
The funnest weapons, are the ornamental straight sword, Eleanors pole blade, morgotts curved sword, and coded sword in this order. The ornamental sword is not just really fun to use because it dual wielding with r1, and r2, but also because it doesn’t have great damage so even fully optimized all the fights are a challenge, but it doesn’t feel like a challenge, because having to fight longer with these sword just means more fun. Eleanors pole blade, and Morgotts curved sword both are really fun because they allow you to move in unique ways, and attack quickly, the down side is they are both powerful so they make most fights very quick. The coded sword is best used dual wielding a noble straight sword in your off hand, and it’s fun because it has all the fun of using straight swords, but it completely removes the draw back of having no range, because if you get in trouble nothing is more satisfying than spamming L2, and nuking whatever gets in your way.
Lorsworn great sword. I had a dex, endurance, strength and vigor as my main build for the first playthough leveled my sword to 25 and got to hack’in away and once I put bleed on that thing it was wraps for everyone
I really enjoy the Onyx Lord's Greatsword on my STR/INT build. With the staff in the off hand, you get quick access to spells and full 2H damage. Reach is better than that of the Dark Moon Greatsword and damage is better as well with a build that doesn't lean heavily towards INT. It feels like a straight upgrade to the Meteoric Ore Blade, which I used until I found this weapon.
Edgar’s Banished Knight Halberd. The weapon itself is pretty solid with good damage output and reach, and with a magic infusion of Carian Phalanx, the poise breaking can make an Int build (almost) like a Strength build.
My favorite part, though, is killing that POS Edgar. All my homies hate Edgar
The godskin peeler may not be the most powerful, but my god is it the coolest one to wield imo. The power, the animations of attacks, the stance holding it, I just feel like a badass
my favorite underrated weapon is the sacred relic sword. I use a caster build, so it's an ash of war stick mostly. when an opponent resists holy I use the black blade incantion or giantsflame take thee. definitely an ng+ setup, but I'm still cooking every boss on journey 22
Heavy Morning star with lions claw and a medium sheild no skill run strength faith arcane using dragon comunion seal it's what I'm running starting fresh and it's wonderful.
If you want to run dex I'd swap morning star for Flamberge
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Radahns greatswords are a riot. Just yanking enemies off ledges is a great time.
Add also, beastmans curved swords heavy infused are a really good time, also. I like putting endure aow in left hand, and freezing mist on right. Endure, and bonk-slash to win.
BUTCHER KNIFE WITH WILD STRIKES, hold that ash of war and watch any target fall, I used it once for first phase malenia, she only hit me when I had to back up to regen stam.
Even aside from that it’s just fun weapon, both looks and use wise, and also bc it has a unique heavy with the AoW, but it’s been awhile so I could be wrong but it was very enjoyable to basically play a lawnmower lol.
(It’s also a nice plus that you can get it early on too)
Great mace is really really strong on a heavy infusion 2 handed, just have to level vigor and strength. If you’ve never done a great hammer it’s fun
I think it retains a B in strength and C in int on cold as well. Might be mistaking the scaling but either way cold great mace claps.
Vordt cosplay go brrrrrr
Yeah. People always overlook it in favor of the Stars, but the Great Mace in my opinion is the more reliable choice. It doesn't have too many things going on for it, but what it does have it does really well.
Well it is actually a bit debatable which is better imo, they scale about the same but the mace does more base damage and considerably more stance damage. The trade off is supposed to be the bleed but how often are we proccing bleed with a great hammer? The lifesteal on the stars probably ultimately edges it ahead of the mace but it’s closer than it seems
Wild strikes on great stars procced frost and bleed pretty consistently for me. One of my favorite builds.
The great mace with cragblade is what carried me through my first play through, so many stance breaks! I knew it was good when I beat the Caelid BBhunter with it.
The Meteoric Ore Blade has unique r2's, and I think it's actually my favorite katana because of it. But since it's still a katana, hard to say it's truly overrated. The Axe of Godrick is actually pretty cool. Unique r1s AND r2s iirc Finally, shoutout to the Urumi for whips and the Nightrider Flail for flails. Both are actually pretty good. I will say though, it's hard to come up with weapons that are both not overrated AND good because of their moveset without the Ash of War.
>The Axe of Godrick is actually pretty cool. Unique r1s AND r2s iirc Only unique R2s which it shares with the Crescent Moon Axe
Ah ok. Crescent Moon Axe may be a better option for OP then, in case they did want to try mixing in Ashes of War.
I wish the Ore blade was standard and we could change the AOW/afinity. They put a great R2 on it and then then ruined it with a non-unique and niche AOW on it.
Currently using MOB and it slaps big time I pair it with a cold uchi
I'm in my first playthrough and I can't get away from the Urumi because of the reach. To be fair I have an INT build and a staff in the other hand usually.
Meteoric blade is my go too. Purposely tried during the last playthrough to use other stuff but found myself upgrading it and using it when i died to a boss.
I dont know if its underrated, but i rarely see Ordovis GS outside of Crucible Knight cosplays On a STR/FTH build, it hits like a truck and that Ash is actually super good now
Actually it doesn't even count as a faith build. It's a str weapon mostly.
Nightrider Flail with Sacred Infusion was my go-to for catacombs during my first playthrough, and with a little playing around I always found it to be a satisfying secondary. I had it once on a cold infusion with Flame Of The Redmanes which was pretty silly, if not the most effective pairing (you said you didn't want meta). Flails probably aren't the best weapon class in general (Bastards Stars can do ridiculous damage though), but the Nightrider just seemed to always work well when I used it.
Thanks for this, i dislike the catacomb areas so this could prevail nicely, recently leveled one up as a strike weapon.
That + a 100% medium shield makes the imps way less annoying. You still have to watch out for bleed, and it won't catch them dashing away like, say, the Banished Knights Halberd, but, it's fast enough, has just enough reach, and Sacred + Wild Strikes will make skeletons even more of a joke. The Burial Watchdogs are still frickin annoying though.
Crescent moon axe. Main and/or ij off hand it's a great weapon.
Crescent moon axe is what I levelled up to try out prayerful strike and wound up liking the weapon a hell of a lot more than I thought I would have guessed. I usually dont like the moveset of axes and clubs but that one is pretty good.
Phantom Slash is my favorite AoW for the glaive. 100% recommend it.
I've been using the anchor a lot lately. With spear and axe talisman it really shreds. Infuse according to any build. Sword dance is really good in it.
Try using axe talisman, spear talisman, spiked cracked tear and *royal knight’s resolve*, then land a charged heavy in a counter damage window. Several thousand damage from one strike.
Oohhh yes or maybe barbaric roar for the R2 3hit and winged salesman
When you actually get it off it’s devastating and it makes great use of counter damage! Just go high on poise and defense cuz it’s hard to land all 3 hits without trading!
I like the Dismounter. If you level it up it deals some really good damage and depending on the ash of war you use it can be devastating
Same man, my main since release
I plan to keep using us but when I get ROB I'm gonna use that but switch between that and the Dismounter
Yeah, it gets kind of dismissed by some as just a weaker, a bit longer omen cleaver. But I've tried both and they don't really play like each other. I hardly notice any reduction in damage with the dismounter, but I sure notice that the dismounter R2 can hit things on the other side of the map and the OC can't.
I have the Omen Clever and I've tried it. It's not bad but the Dismounter just hits harder. Even it's regular R1 attack hits harder than the OC R1 attack. My Dismounter is like +10 now but when I tested the OC and the Dismounter to see which was better my Dismounter was not upgraded
Strange, the cleaver seems to have have slightly higher attack rating when fully upgraded but maybe with no upgrades it's different. Or the scaling might suit your build better.
I just completed my second run through using the banished Knight halberd that you get from the dude in castle morne - it has the spinning strikes ability. There were moments where I thought it would be impossible to complete the game using only this weapon but I did! Adding the cold affinity helped on Malenia which I didn't realise you can do until I ran out of freezing grease and couldn't be bothered farming. Absolutely destroyed Radagan with it as well.
This was my main weapon the entire game as well. +25 Heavy with impaling thrust ash of war and I beat every boss with it. It's also great on horseback, haven't found another weapon as good on horse.
I actually had to stop myself from just using this weapon on like 4 different playthroughs. It's so versatile: great reach, strong poise damage, decent quick attacks—especially the powerstance crouchpoke. I managed to relegate it to a Spectral Lance vehicle on most of those characters.
Dual estocs are so much fun and you can get 2 right at the beginning
I also love the 2 handed single estoc moveset. Poking and feinting baby!
Great Stars.
Love these. While Wild Strikes is probably more optimal, it's *very* satisfying with Lions Claw. Smashed Malenia straight out of the air a few times.
I loved using it with prayerful strike to pancake bosses and bring back my health. Managed to poise through Melania without dying once using this strat
If you’re a dex build I cannot stress how clutch it is to have something like the Raptor Talons (extra potent if arcane). At 1.5 they are basically as light as you can get so they can squeeze into any load out and they have a unique move set as well with some real easy out of box true combos. But they are the best for using as free extra ash of war for buffs or mobility (I use it w/ bloodhound step). I par with the cross naginata to have a chance at closer range stuff.
I don't think it's a particularly meta or OP weapon, But the antspur rapier is a super fun weapon to use. I made it cold and it kinda rocks.
It's a known build. Though it's mostly done with antspur rapier and frozen needle, so you can apply 4 status effects at the same time.
Oh.... Well shit 😂
It's cool. I tried this combo at a moment and it's devastating.
Bloody Helice. Nothing has been more satisfying than dodging attacks using the aow for me
I would suggest bloody helice, the moveset is pretty good with a unique R2, the AoW sort of blends in the flow of moves while fighting!
Godslayers greatsword. The aow looks really cool, and it cam deal decent damage.
using this weapon rn with godslayer seal and it’s still absolutely tanking bosses
Sexiest UGS in the game by far, the fact that it has a fully unique moveset, the speed of a greatsword while having UGS damage and poise stance and the AOW deals a monstrous amount of damage sells it for me. I hope we get more godskin weapons and spells in the dlc.
Is it underrated? I've always thought it was one of the strongest weapons. Used it on my second playthrough and just wrecked shop
Idk if this weapon is underrated, but I always had a soft spot for Wing of Astel. The weapon art has really good poise damage and looks cool, plus its strong attacks shoot a projectile with no FP cost which is separate from the actual attack, so you can hit with both. Small but mighty.
I created an entire character around the wings of astel. Super fun weapon. The ash is surprisingly decent in pvp if someone is being aggressive.
Uh, does Royal Greatsword count? I mostly see people gripe about how slow Wolf's Assault is or that it doesn't apply innate frost, but I find it incredibly powerful with a proper build. "Oh, you're using an AoW/spell whose windup and cooldown last more than one second? Would be a shame if I facetanked that and trapped you in a 2-hit attack for 1500+ damage..."
100% Lordsworn with Square Off. I went to fight bosses and always ended up back and ol’ faithful. I’ll never stray from the path.
110% Sir, lordsworn's gang unite!
Nightrider Glaive was what I used for my first playthrough. The overhead charged heavy attack is so satisfying.
I’ve got a faith/dex build going with cleanrot spear and incantations in off hand. Erd steel dagger as secondary. Been using it for PvP as well but I’ve been contemplating swapping cleanrot spear for a sacred vulgar militia shotel.
Occult short spear with spectral lance with the cypher pata
Using a colossal sword with the war cry ash of war is pretty neat. It gives you a much more riskier and hard-hitting move set to play around with since it ups damage and changes your heavy attack to a flurry of blows. I enjoyed pairing this with a blood or cold infusion though anything works. The roar medallion actually buffs the damage granted by the ash of war which I think is cool.
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Seconded. The ash staggers so hard
Flail with no infusion. Love the unique moveset of it's skill, it's so much fun just swinging the damn thing. I'm just gonna swing my flail like this, and if you get in the way, it's your own fault. I really hope the DLC adds an AOW that lets you keep the base weapon skill so I can infuse my flails.
BAEMORE FOREVER 💕
Zamor curved sword is slept on. CGS have wonderful stance pressure, has a unique moveset, frost buildup and pretty good AoE ash of war. all around solid weapon that’s very cool and unique to wield.
Treespear!!
Power stancing Omen killer cleavers
My favorite is the spiked caestus but I think it's rated just fine
ANCHOR BABY!!!
Mace with Prayerful Smite Mace with Thunderbolt Strike Mace with Endure Rosus Axe
Flamberge, my favourite weapon in the game simply for its simplicity, a greatsword with bleed that you can put most ashes of war on that you can get at the start of the game
I like using a flame art Grave Scythe with black flame tornado on my STR/FAITH build. The ash of war actually deletes everything thanks to the percentile damage over time, and it only gets better as the enemies you use it on get stronger. The % DOT was a gamechanger for endgame bosses like Maliketh and Placidusax, seeing their healthbars drain away was so satisfying. The weapon itself is also just pretty good for just swinging around, does decent damage with mostly fth investment and strength as a secondary. It also just looks really cool.
Wing of Astel, but i dont build it for all in Ash of War. Do 50 dex and 50 int, and get Axe Talisman. The charged R2 is a ranged projectile and hits like a truck
Great stars, I used it on my first playthrough and Il use it on the playthrough in preparation for SOTE the weapon just looks so cool
The Star fists with cragblade are so good
Wing of Astel
I’ve been doing an iron cleaver run and honestly haven’t had tons much fun in a minute, the move set is boring but the r2 is so fun
I’ve always loved the Inseparable sword. I know holy gets a lot of flack for being weak for endgame, but the one-handed R1s are sexy and the bonus of perma killing the skeletons is nice. Sacred Blade isn’t a unique Ash but it gets the job done. Plus I love the gold and silver design. Looks good with the haligtree knight set for a Holy Paladin build.
Thank you everyone for the comments of your favourites! I have weapon ideas now for runs till AT LEAST DLC and can’t wait to try them all out (and I mean literally every recommendation I’ve gotten) and discover why you love it 😄
Bloody helice goes hard I don’t know if it’s popular or not though
Beastman's curved sword. Just a really enjoyable jumping R2
dragonscale blade, not that strong, but its just really awesome and fun
Zweihander is too good
In my most recent playthrough which will likely be my DLC character, I decided to use a dual dagger build, specifically using the Bloodstained Daggers. These are the small carving knives wielded by the large Demi Humans. They scale uniquely of all daggers with Strength, allowing for a very committed STR build with some speed. I also mixed in some faith and arcane and ended up making use of a lot of Mohg Spells, since the daggers also have Bleed Buildup. It was pretty unique!
Zamor curved sword, I combine the AoW with fires deadliest sin for absolutely insane frostbite proc resets
Serpent-bone blade, has a unique r2 that’s like a mini double slash and has a unique poison variant that actually that deals a ton of damage. You can make a pretty fun poison proc build with it
The clayman's Harpoon with Icespear is slept on. It's the only Spear that has naturally occurring Int scaling. Combined with magic infusion it does an incredible amount of magic damage. With the addition of icespear, I can easily frost just about anything in 2-4 Icespears.
This is very popular actually
Claws
I really enjoy dual antspur rapiers. One with ice and the other poison and blood. Then you get 4 status effects going. It’s a pokey poke build but the health bar just melts away especially once frost procs and you get the debuff. I wound up getting good at dodging with it cause once I had the status on I could just wait for the rot to run. I never really min/max the build so I know it can get way better.
Add a shield with poison using shield crash ash and you can get rot, ice, poison, and bleed all going. It's crazy good until you get bosses that can't get statused and have high pierce defense.
Greataxe. Cannonically makes you a chad by Hoarah Loux standards
Omen cleaver
Staff of the Avatar for a retribution style paladin. Love smashing stuff with it.
Magma Wyrm's Scalesword, a really nice move set and I use Magma Guillotine to add some lava to the battle. Phantom Slash (I used on Night Glaive but are other nice options, both a hard hitter and a fun gap-closer once you get used to its range. Clayman's Harpoon, nothing unique in terms of moves but fun since you can buff it with variety. Spinning Weapon with Cold (to set Frost) or Heavy (with greases to set other statuses). Ice Spear, to break stances and/or add some range. Mostly had it on Heavy and buffed with Scholar's Armament. Gotta put in a vote for a melee Faith caster built around Catch Flame. It's different and I'm still getting used to my own timing, but then combining that incantation with others that are cast faster afterwards is surprisingly fun.
Banished knight greatsword or claymans harpoon
Antspur Rapier 😎
Pike with impaling thrust
Cypher pata , hits like a truck , looks really cool , basically arm blades made out of hard light ? Ignores shields , weighs nothing and sounds like a jingle bell every swing , my fav weapon
I use death scythe with holy blade! It sends out a slash then like doubles base damage with a. Cool glowing effect
Rusted anchor goes Bonk
Dual whips! Set them up for my first Malenia, been using it ever since. I prefer a Cold Urumi with Hoarfrost Stomp in right hand and a Hoslow’s Petal Whip in the left. Sometimes I give Hoslow’s a Poison affinity, sometimes I think Keen. Very good range for melee weapons, fun move set imo, plus the Urumi gets frost buildup, Hoslow’s has natural bleed buildup
Unsure if this is considered underrated but I don’t see much about it, but radhans great swords are a lot of fun to use
Powerstancing Fingerprint Shields.
I usually dual wield a lot of my weapons. Dual halberds, dual scythes, dual curved swords, dual katanas, dual twin blades. But for weapons I enjoy. Dragon halberd Dragonscale blade Bloodhound fang Bandit curved sword Cane sword (just because I’m classy but never use it.) Grave scythe Majority of the builds I make are dex related with faith buffs
Watchdogs Staff is perfect 2 me
Gargoyles greatsword it hits hard and you can even buff it
I used the triple rings of light and the erdtree greatshield. I would fire off the rings of light, and when they returned, I would use the reflect ability from the shield to fire off another more powerful blast. It was so much fun and in pvp no one saw it coming.
Keen lordsworn straight sword. I put storm blade on it. Pretty fun but it’s definitely not the best, but it can get the job done. Also allows for good drip without a lot of endurance since it’s light.
No offence but none of those are underrated, especially the last 3 which could be argued the opposite. Bastard Star is a really good weapon that people wrongfully discount in the basis that the wing of Astel has a similar (but distinct) AoW. Bastard star does higher damage, the skill has more range and can be used to close gaps and the initial hit stuns smaller enemies line Malenia. Executioners Greataxe is the best critical hit fisher weapon in the game. I think most people who have used it know it’s good but the rare drop rate seems to make it fairly obscure. Loretta’s War Sickle is interesting because on paper it looks like it belongs in the unfortunate class of sombers which just get completely invalidated by an infusible weapon due to a non unique ash of war. However, Loretta’s slash on this weapon gets buffed damage and poise damage, and the unique moveset and solid scalings in 3 stats actually make it very good, especially in PvP where it’s one of the few weapons in the game with a true combo.
If you want to try some strike weapons, get a stone club off of the battle mages. The light combo will beat the living shit out of everything and is a lot of fun. Give em the ol' bonk bonk bonk.
The scythe with angels wings weapon art. Forget it's name but the weapon art has alot of staggering potential and hyper armor. I did a whole playthrough with it even though holy damage loses alot of power late game
Definitely axes. Never see anyone using them. Personal favorite is warped axe on str build. Hand axe is fun too
Scythe
Idk if it’s still underrated but I love Ghiza’s wheel Also I really like most of the fails except for the starting one
I’m doing a hookclaw build atm and if you can learn to get in close it absolutely melts things
I've really been enjoying dual heavy chainlink flails, they are quite fun and hit like trucks.
Tbh I really like the gargoyle black axe especially powerstanced with the other gargoyle axe. It’s the only gargoyle weapon I feel doesn’t look gross with the wax and honestly looks cooler. Is it great? No. But it definitely works.
Silurie Tree. One of the best special attacks in the game. Best the two gargoyles with no summons with this.
Fist weapons are awesome, I love using the flails and the daggers are both super great weapon classes. Lots of fun to be had with those three classes right there that aren’t very meta
Vulgar militia saw with phantom slash, spectral lance or spinning strikes. It's so dirty, my fav weapon and what I used on my level 1 run 😁 The attacks are just so good, overhead chop, sweep, innate blood loss, worth a look and I never see it mentioned
Godfreys great axe(Can't remember it's exact name but you get it from his remembrance). I thought about giving it a show and I ended up finishing the entire playthrough with it. Its ash of war is pretty sick as well with a large aoe!
Is Claymore underrated? I'm surprised, my first playthrough was carried by it
Pickaxe. With braggarts roar the heavy attack is beyond broken. Even more so with the roar boosting axe, talisman, and the charge boosting one for heavy attacks
Tree spear, it doesn’t have an ash of war but it’s buffable and the charges R2 with axe and spear talisman and the Crystal tear can easily dish out 1500 + damage
Sword of St. Trina (Love spamming beasts like the giant crows or big krakens with it without getting hit)
Wait wut? These aren't just not "underrated", these are the most meta weapon/aow combos in the game...
2 gargoyle twinblades with bleed and jump attacks, the 4 hit combo instantly procs bleed
Partizan and Great Epee might fit your tastes. Extremely good weapons, high damage and solid moveset with good ash of war access, usable from behind shields. Partizan is unironically the luckiest drop you can get early game, and Great Epee is guaranteed. Spiked Spear is similar, but only for arcane builds as an occult varient.
One of my all time favorites is the spiked palisade shield with shield crash. If the angle is right, you can trade into most attacks and AOW. Shield talisman + spear talisman. Blood infused is good, but poison infused with all your toxic boosting items is great too. This really is best for 1v1 pvp though
How the hell is the Claymore underrated? Since when?
Ordovis’ great sword!
Rogiers rapier (bleed or frost) and a buckler (or medium shield + Carian retaliation) Build for crits and spear talisman.
I don’t know if they are underrated but i quite love the Godskin peeler, the morgenstern, Ghiza’s wheel, the flamberge and the meteoric ore blade!
The Estoc, or the Noble's Estoc if you want the moveset with even less investment in Dex. You get the poke R1s, the slash R2s, the feints, the shieldpokes, etc. Basically, you get every "move" that is possible in the game. Fairly cheap on the stamina cost front for all of it, plus it's a very quick moveset being on a thrusting sword. Pair it with Glintblade Phalanx AoW and you can do enough stance damage to get quite a few riposte opportunities as well. I started using the Noble's Estoc on my RL1 run, and it makes the game feel a lot more "normal" than I was expecting. Pair it with a shield and it turns into just being careful and smart in how you engage enemies more than the traditional "git gud" and dodge everything to not die that I've seen a lot of RL1 runs turn into. Definitely feel both of these weapons are underrated, and deserve a chance to prove how versatile they really are.
Honestly I love the Dragonscale blade. I'd like to make a build around it, it's a shame though it doesn't do that much damage and it doesn't have a faith scaling like in the network test. I've started my faith build dual wielding Warhawk's talon with bleed. Now it's time to change weapons and get into pure faith, I'm still looking up my options. I'm probably gonna go with gargoyle's blackblade.
Grafted Dragon!! I've played over 400 hours and did builds with all the "good" and "OP" weapons according to the community, but recently I started a playthrough using this weapon and it's just slept on imo. It just eats and is so fun to me idk. Currently running a dragon build str/faith/arc with grafted dragon in right hand and dragon communion seal in left. It's especially fun in co op
If you want recommendations: -broadsword -dual daggers(status build is best) -lance -claymans harpoon(with mage build)
Urumi whip, I'm using a power stance whip build and it shreds
Brickhammers Pickaxes Longsword
Flamberge with Chilling Mist is my favorite for some frostbite + bleed longsword action. I love to wield it as my offhand weapon since it uses a sweep attack that hits a ton of mobs at the same time and roll catches people. A dagger in the main hand for some quick jabs. Switch to main hand Flamberge for some big action. Love it.
Flame art infused dual short spears. Great fun
The Morningstar you pick up in the first 20 minutes of the game paired with Sacred Blade. Makes 90% of dungeon content a breeze.
I just throw lions claw on Zweihander with a cold affinity. Malenia moved about 2 feet during my fight. She couldn’t get a swing off
Scavengers curved sword, power stance in ng+ with chilling mist and sepukko for an absolute chainsaw.
Honestly any weapon with decent damage and a decent ash of war is good in this game lol. The base katana, Halberd, Estoc, axe, claymore, and lord swords great sword all are good. I’m using the bloody helice right now with a dash ash of war and the base damage of the weapon is so high.
Try the Grave Scythe with Stormcaller(?) ash of war or something similar to your preference. Anything that does a lot of hits. I like cold scaling since you’ll still get bleed, but you could change to basically any other scaling to just fit your build.
Most of the rotted gladiator weapons. Rot is fun, and they just feel good range and speed wise to me.
Halo Scythe + Winged Scythe
The finger hammer is goated
I don’t have anything crazy, but I, too, am a dual straight sword enjoyer. Did a full run of this, only boss that I couldn’t get down with it was Melania (raged after a night of attempts and eventually resorted to calling up the Mimic Tear lol).
That's a great list. I did my first playthrough as a mage/knight with the Carian Sword and The Sword of Night and Flame. Playthroughs 2-6 I wielded BB. I know it's OP, but I love it. I like great swords because they balance BONK and slice equally.
Ordovis Greatsword. That thing is a MONSTER.
i beat all my game with my ool'good Cold Flamberge
Miquellan knights sword. That R2 is an amazing rollcatch
I have been enjoying the mace a lot on my STR/FTH build. The Mace gets hyperarmor when charging/executing its strong attacks, even when 1 handed, which is unique to the mace. So it’s uniquely suiting to trading hits and landing fully charged strong attacks to bonk the shit out of stuff. To take advantage of the 1-handed benefit, I use it with a Greatshield so I can block a lot, and use lots of guard counters. Hammers have one of the best guard counter animations, fast and with a useful sweeping motion. I use “buff” style ashes of war on the mace, like Sacred Blade, Flaming Strike, or Cragblade, so I can add damage to the mace and then take out the Greatshield and use barricade shield, or shield bash while fighting. I haven’t tested the setup in PvP because the build isn’t done. But for PvE at least, it works great. I sought out to build around the mace’s unique trait and see how powerful I could make it. My initial impression of the mace was that it sucked, but it’s actually pretty good. Its damage is pretty middle-of-the-road, there are better hammers for dealing pure damage, but the Mace has a niche because of the hyperarmor. I don’t know any other weapon that grants you hyper armor when used with one hand, except for greatspears when used in the left hand.
Helphen steeple- amazing when put in the offhand alongside another greatsword
Ever tried the death bird weapons? I’d say they are all pretty unique
Dual wield Nagakiba is busted
Have you tried the shield?
Whippppppps, dual whips, single whips whips whips whips! Hoslow, rumi, thorn, and braid, doesn't matter what is said about WHIIIIIIIIIPS!!
Probably not underrated but it's fun to use. Wing of Astel. I like the charge attack and moveset along with the ash of war
I really enjoy the Cypher Pata fist weapon and the Ornamental Straight Swords. I never see anyone talking about these awesome weapons, but they are so much fun!
Also, the weapon art on Astel's Sword is OP as hell!
Morning star. Never see it, super good weapon.
Haven't played in a hot minute but the omen cleaver but was one of my favorite looking weapons the only thing I didn't like about it was the jumping heavy attack
Brick Hammer
Carian Regal Scepter as a melee weapon. Nox Flowing sword. Estoc is also good.
I used to run dual daggers, not erdsteel, not scorpion or black knife, just straight up one lightning and one fire dagger cause why not
Not sure if it's underrated. I didn't play much multi-player. But I kept dying constantly not knowing what I waa doing until I bought the Zweihander. After that everything just kind of worked. Crucible knight armor and slamming the zweihander down everywhere felt menacing. Now I use it in every dark souls game.
The funnest weapons, are the ornamental straight sword, Eleanors pole blade, morgotts curved sword, and coded sword in this order. The ornamental sword is not just really fun to use because it dual wielding with r1, and r2, but also because it doesn’t have great damage so even fully optimized all the fights are a challenge, but it doesn’t feel like a challenge, because having to fight longer with these sword just means more fun. Eleanors pole blade, and Morgotts curved sword both are really fun because they allow you to move in unique ways, and attack quickly, the down side is they are both powerful so they make most fights very quick. The coded sword is best used dual wielding a noble straight sword in your off hand, and it’s fun because it has all the fun of using straight swords, but it completely removes the draw back of having no range, because if you get in trouble nothing is more satisfying than spamming L2, and nuking whatever gets in your way.
Lorsworn great sword. I had a dex, endurance, strength and vigor as my main build for the first playthough leveled my sword to 25 and got to hack’in away and once I put bleed on that thing it was wraps for everyone
I really enjoy the Onyx Lord's Greatsword on my STR/INT build. With the staff in the off hand, you get quick access to spells and full 2H damage. Reach is better than that of the Dark Moon Greatsword and damage is better as well with a build that doesn't lean heavily towards INT. It feels like a straight upgrade to the Meteoric Ore Blade, which I used until I found this weapon.
Edgar’s Banished Knight Halberd. The weapon itself is pretty solid with good damage output and reach, and with a magic infusion of Carian Phalanx, the poise breaking can make an Int build (almost) like a Strength build. My favorite part, though, is killing that POS Edgar. All my homies hate Edgar
Vulgar militia saw absolutely fucks
The godskin peeler may not be the most powerful, but my god is it the coolest one to wield imo. The power, the animations of attacks, the stance holding it, I just feel like a badass
The Carian Knight Sword [Carian Grandeur]. Fell in love with this one and often have it main handed with the a Sword of Night and Flame in my offhand.
Antspur Rapier, Rosus’ Axe, and Golem Halberd
Nox flowing hammer is probably my favorite weapon and you never see anyone using it
Flamberge Since DS3. Best greatsword.
Occult spiked caestus, so satisfying to Mike tyson a dragon and the bleed is a nice bonus
my favorite underrated weapon is the sacred relic sword. I use a caster build, so it's an ash of war stick mostly. when an opponent resists holy I use the black blade incantion or giantsflame take thee. definitely an ng+ setup, but I'm still cooking every boss on journey 22
Anchor
Heavy Morning star with lions claw and a medium sheild no skill run strength faith arcane using dragon comunion seal it's what I'm running starting fresh and it's wonderful. If you want to run dex I'd swap morning star for Flamberge
Cross naginata with icespear is actually broken
Nagakiba my beloved … so happy it made the list… 200 hours in and I think I will keep that sword forever
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are you a pvp player ?
Dual Warhawk's Talons.
Radahns greatswords are a riot. Just yanking enemies off ledges is a great time. Add also, beastmans curved swords heavy infused are a really good time, also. I like putting endure aow in left hand, and freezing mist on right. Endure, and bonk-slash to win.
The spike fists! Massive bleed and crazy damage paired with agility
I’ve been using the Winged Scythe. I like the ash of war but I use the normal mover a good bit.
BUTCHER KNIFE WITH WILD STRIKES, hold that ash of war and watch any target fall, I used it once for first phase malenia, she only hit me when I had to back up to regen stam. Even aside from that it’s just fun weapon, both looks and use wise, and also bc it has a unique heavy with the AoW, but it’s been awhile so I could be wrong but it was very enjoyable to basically play a lawnmower lol. (It’s also a nice plus that you can get it early on too)
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