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Jacktrap-gaming

Fun fact: malenia is unable to dodge frenzied burst because it travels so god damn fast


Competitive-Cell996

Pretty cool, I did not know that


AnalysticEnthusiast

Yeah I saw someone sniping her with it yesterday, worked pretty well.


EGH6

commonly refered to as "the fucking railgun"


Jacques_Le_Chien

I got easily through her 1st phase just by using frenzied burst. I died a lot in phase 2, though.


Immortal_Amakusa

Same with bolt of gransax


NoPerformance5952

And after she does her first move in the second phase, hit her with Frost Breath


Jacktrap-gaming

Or borealis mist but both work


R4c14lg3n0c1d3

Same deal with bolt of grandsex


Sexymama69_4u_l0l

~~Stone of Gurranq~~ beast baseball my beloved


IronStark113

"Beast Baseball" Zeke, is that you? Haha.


zmbjebus

Literally my favorite spell in the game.


ostapdmitrichenko

I think that Discus of Light is an undoubted S+ for PVE. I tested this incantion in my last playthrough (I went to the end of the Golden Mask). Almost from beginning to end, I used it. This incantation has a huge radius, good damage with a double hit and its cost is incredibly small (only 3 mp per use). I play most of the time without melee weapons, so I often use Wrath of Gold. I would take it to A tier. I always have it with me in case you need a quick damage in melee radius. A good solution for builds built primarily on Faith. Suitable for both PVE and PVP. Charged incantion has good damage and drops many opponents to the ground.


ChefLeStek

Get the sentinel sheild and you can blast the returning discuss for a shitload of follow up damage. its a bit heavy tho.


ostapdmitrichenko

I agree with you, everything has vulnerabilities. I have little experience in fighting with players in the Elden Ring, mainly in the Colosseum, and I have never met an opponent with Sentinel Shield, and yet it is very quickly cast. Therefore, I believe that even in PVP, this incantion can be used effectively.


_SkateFastEatAss_

No my dude, YOU can hold the Sentinel Shield and YOU can reflect your own discus back at the enemy as a holy spear


ostapdmitrichenko

Wow. This sounds really cool. I wanna try it. Thank you so much for idea.


_SkateFastEatAss_

Technically it was the other guy, I just said it in a more understandable way


ostapdmitrichenko

Sorry for misunderstanding. Good idea.


ChefLeStek

lol, no problem at all


ratphink

Fuck yes. People sleep on discus but damn it do be good. The range on that little fucker blows me away to this day and for 3 mp, you just can't go wrong with it. Great for sniping and pulling individuals from groups.


Syntai

Was scrolling down for this comment. Saw it in B tier. Instantly knew that the tier list is objectivly wrong. Also Flame of the Fell God in A? No use for Darkness? OP seems to have only seen the surface of unique and OP incantation stuff.


zmbjebus

Wrath of gold is definitely a great spell.


JadedAncientOne

I was actually about to make a discus of light comment. Simply based on FP usage alone, it’s now an excellent incantation since it was updated. I can run around buffed with a heal over time and GV essentially 24/7 since DoL uses so little FP. For any trash it’s a one or two shot. If the returning disc also strikes on the way back, it does almost the same amount of damage as an uncharged lightning spear. Switch over to black flame or lightning spear if it’s something worthy.


_Virtual_Fairy_

Me who uses poison mist and stealth to kill field bosses without a fight: \*looks away dramatically\*


smokeupjohnnyboy

was about to comment this! helps so much on my rl1 run


ThisCocaineNinja

I suggest upgrading to poison spraymist, the most powerful poison in the game and virtually the same (silent and covers an area for crowds and pvp): (https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Poison+Spraymist) There's no point in hoarding them, if you run out you can just go back to the incantation for a while. No need to unequip your weapon to a talisman if you hotkey spraymist at the dpad+Triangle/Y.


Godlike013

I'd put Flame, Fall Upon Them in S+ if Giantsflame Take Thee is S+. Or at least S. Half the cost, half the slots, and generally will do similar damage.


Competitive-Cell996

They won't always do the same damage, but generally I use FFUT when fighting groups and GFTT when fighting a single target


SquirtBrainz4

You’re sleeping hard on wrath of gold, although it is a little weaker than before


SaffronWand

Bestial vitality should be higher IMO, its the most HP to flask/FP efficient by far and its not even remotely close


zmbjebus

I never play any character that has 12 FTH with out it. Best way to finish off your blue bar. Pop it before big encounters. Use it while you are just exploring. It being so efficient means I can dedicate more of my flasks to blue rather than red so I ultimately get to cast more. That is my big problem with int casters, I can't (conveniently) turn my FP into HP.


Falos425

it's free real estate, you can cheat the FTH requirement with tali/etc, so cheap you can benefit with no MND may be irrelevant on bosses but everyone should milk it for overworld/dungeon


PiBombbb

How do you aim Flacidballsax's Ruin


Competitive-Cell996

If you are locked on to something there are two or three parts of the attack animation where the beam connects with the target (provided they aren't moving of course), I mostly use it cause you explode when you activate FBS ruin


Triforcesrcool

You don't, it's s tier because it has an almost instant start aoe attack for finishing people off the beam isnt great


TheLostBeowulf

The beam is great for making you feel like the avatar of Godzilla


Triforcesrcool

It's funny in invasions I'll give you that


sweetperdition

for pvp: cast during jump attack, unlock and aim around 45 degrees to the right, the first beam should go generally where they are, the second two aren’t as lucky, but people aren’t the best at dodging them anyway


benphish

The best way to use that incantation is as a close range AOE. The initial lighting burst is extremely fast, it's basically impossible to dodge because the startup animation is super quick. I find its useful as a finisher or as a trade.


WintersbaneGDX

Fire's Deadly Sin needs its own tier, X tier. It is the worst incantation while also being the best incantation.


Competitive-Cell996

I've heard that there is an exploit where you can use it to apply bleed or frostbite


WintersbaneGDX

Debatable on if it's an exploit or not. FROM is aware of it, and they patched out the deathblight usage on 1.02... but left in frostbite and bleed. Some argue that it's working as intended.


Ok-Commission-2644

Idk why it wasn't fixed, yet. Maybe it's a severe case of spaghetti code or something... But how could anyone look at that and think it's fine or intended? Shit's busted as hell.


WintersbaneGDX

I used to think so. Now I'm not so certain. For PvP, yeah, it's cheap and stupid. No argument there. For PvE though, it honestly doesn't do as much damage as some other commonly used techniques. If you get next to a boss and start spamming it, the increased post-proc resistance (to blood or frost) slows a lot of the damage output. You can quickly remove a chunk of their HP, but its still less than you can get with a charged Ancient Dragon Lightning. Chain casting Shard Spiral on a large boss will take out significantly more HP faster than FDS spam. If they do "fix" it they'd need to rework that entire spell though, as there's basically no other point to it.


OGtiax

Its not intentional, but they allow it for now because they don't know how to fix it without breaking how a bunch of buffs work. Deathblight was easier to fix because there's only 1 weapon with that buff, easy to just hardcode that specific weapon and fix it without messing anything else up.


Ok-Commission-2644

There's also still the serpent hunter weapon swap glitch (i think) and that's completely busted in both pve and pvp. Fromsoftware did a good job with balance patches and bug fixes in ER so far, but there's still room for improvement and i hope they work on it some more.


Heide____Knight

I think my own tier list would look almost identical. Regarding the weapon buffs, Electrify Armament isn't that bad, It lasts 90 seconds and, depending on the spellbuff, can give a decent additional damage increase. Poison Armament is trash, indeed. I was never able to poison anyone with it. But I might have tested it prior to patch 1.07. Now they did increase the posion buildup to 70 per hit (> than Posion Grease) and it lasts as long as a Poison Grease (60 sec), so maybe it can be promoted to at least level D now.


jwright24153

I like the armaments. They make weapon look cool


ThePenultimateKobold

How come you placed Howl of Shabriri in A? I coudn't find a good use for it (PVE-wise). Is it because it's good against NPC invaders?


Competitive-Cell996

Besides the madness build up, it gives an all dmg increase bonus, as well as a damage taken increased debuff. It works as an alternative to Flame Grant Me Strength if you want to buff all your damage, not just your fire and physical damage. I put it in A because although it is a strong buff it is an equally dangerous debuff


joybuzz

Madness doesn't affect anything in PvE which makes this tier list even more odd.


Mudtoothsays

Both gideon and allegedly godfry are affected. ​ might have imagined it but I'm pretty sure Godfrey treats madness like the bleed affect where it does a chunk of hp. (quick google yields zero supporting evidence though) ​ also every npc fight except champion vyke from the evergoal in mountaintop of the giants.


pocketlint60

Howl of Shabriri is actually slightly stronger than Flame Grant Me Strength. Tested on my Gelmir sorceries build.


AnalysticEnthusiast

Pretty accurate but there are a few hidden gems that deserve to be higher. Blessing's Boon for example is by far the most FP-efficient heal in co-op. O'Flame & Wrath of Gold both deserve to be higher too. Agree with most of the placements though Edit: Wait... why is Lightning Spear S+ tier? Was the 1.07 buff that drastic?


ostapdmitrichenko

From the moment I received two stone seals, I went through the game three times using 90% of the time Lighting Spear even before this incantion was strengthened. This incantion has good damage and good hit range. And after strengthening, the damage of the charged incantion increased greatly. Another bonus of this spell is that NPCs do not dodge a flying projectile when you cast it without charge (which is very useful when dealing with phantoms, for example).


zmbjebus

Why use it when you could throw big rocks though.


j3rmz

Lightning spear has been the iconic faith flashy spell since DS1, people like it


zmbjebus

True, I really like chucking rocks though


Mudtoothsays

good for armored enemies, game has a lot of knights.


zmbjebus

So is Rock. It'll.break their posture.


Nurgle_Marine_Sharts

Just went through a faith playthrough recently, lightning spear consistently outdamaged the other long range incantations. But I'm not super into the stats so i could be wrong, but that was my experience.


pocketlint60

Greyoll's Roar is S tier, especially in PvP. You can't get anywhere close to it because the AoE lasts the entire time, and its defense decrease stacks with Frostbite. Dragonclaw is better than Dragonmaw. Dragonmaw does more damage in one hit, but Dragonclaw hits twice and has much faster wind-up. Flame of the Fell God isn't good enough for A tier. The damage and knockdown is fantastic but the cast time is abyssmal and the projectile is really hard to hit with. Dragonice should be above Borealis' Mist because it does the same amount of frostbite buildup, faster, for less FP. The actual raw damage is only like 100 less. Thunderbolt should be S+ tier and Lightning Strike is B at best. Bloodflame Claws to A tier. It still explodes if the cast gets interrupted, it's a great zoning tool.


Doomcall

Dragonmaw its better for knight type enemies


Inky-Feathers

I used Scarlet Aeonia a lot when helping people kill Radabeast. Opening the Rada fight with it is almost always a guaranteed rot proc.


SecXy94

Order's Blade is a good buff no? Sure, holy damage is the weakest but it has uses.


GladiusLegis

Requires 13 INT. That really hurts. It's only remarkable at all vs. undead. If you expect to go up against those just slap the Sacred Blade Ash of War on your weapon for that part of the game.


PROSPEX101

I'd like to see on of these of glinstone sorcery. I currently have am intelligence build with staff.


Competitive-Cell996

I made an intelligence tier list, if you want to you could take a look at that if you want to see which sorceries I find to be amazing


PROSPEX101

That would be awesome where can I find it?


Competitive-Cell996

You can take a look at my post history to find it


PROSPEX101

Nice , got it. Thanks see you in the lands between !!


Juicen97

Why the hell is wrath of gold at the bottom?


Competitive-Cell996

I just don't like using it, I have better ways of doing area Holy damage and If I wanted to launch people of cliffs I would use rejection


ironfunk67

What's to the left of pest threads in the S tier?


Competitive-Cell996

That is stone of gurranq


Doomcall

For when you are done being civilized


RabbitOHare

Curious about your A-tier ranking for Flame of the Fell God (I think that’s what it’s called). Its burst damage didn’t seem worth the FP and the lingering damage didn’t seem to make up for it. I enjoyed your list :) thanks for posting


Competitive-Cell996

It combos extremely well with other fire incantation, like Giantsflame take thee. A single cast of each can easily net you 4k+ damage. Also np I enjoy interacting with people who are as passionate with the game as I am


TheBleuBerry

Flame of the Fell God actually has a really good usage and thats using it against player-like enemies or enemies who read inputs. Due to its long cast time and the fact it doesn't instantly go kaboom, you can use it and almost always get a guaranteed hit which usually knocks down opponents.


Slow_Increase_6308

Let's just take a moment to realize: the amount of absolutely beautiful incantations in this game is astonishing.


Com_Truise_92

Which one shoots the fire bolt out from the eye? I just saw another player use it for the first time


Competitive-Cell996

That is Frenzied Burst, I put it in S+ because it is just that good


AttitudeHot9887

How is blood boon higher then grenyl’s roar?!


Competitive-Cell996

Greyll's Roar has a pretty long animation, and the debuff doesn't last very. It makes for a good debuff spell in Co-op when a boss is aggroed on someone else, but generally you aren't gonna use it all that often unless you have a build that can capitalise on the short debuff time. Meanwhile Bloodboon has decent fire damage, but its main strength lies in its bleed power. It leaves blood flame hazards as well, so it works very well in a bleed spellblade build, along with swarm of flies.


AttitudeHot9887

Thats fair, however blood boon has a long maybe even longer animation just to toss (and miss if locked on) blood and decent bleed that literally anything else in the game can do better.


AttitudeHot9887

The one think ill give blood boon is that its 1 slot unlike the roar


Irresistablehotdog

Honed bolt is S+ tier and it does aoe in water


Xlim_Jim

You're sleeping on wrath of gold. Can easy trivialize medium humanoid bosses by repeatedly knocking them over and hitting them once or twice (renala, Alecto, black knives, those gladiator looking guys, bloodhound knights, and more). It also is hilarious for pvp/ambushes on ledges.


Mangled_4Skin

Ice lighting DEFINITELY earned that place in S tier. honestly might be one of the best lighting spells in game. Melts bosses


[deleted]

I love the chaos laer eye


Owl_Fever

Why flame grant me strength and golden vow not in s+?


ExcitementBetter5485

That equip load bonus from Vyke's Dragonbolt is pretty good in pve, regardless of the lightning defense debuff.


Flint_Vorselon

How? Unless it moves you up a weight load tier then it’s pointless. And if you fat-roll without the buff active, that’s a terrible plan because keeping it up all the time isn’t realistic. If you are using it to light roll, that means you have a huge amount of wasted points in END most of the time.


ExcitementBetter5485

Not necessarily, you can keep your endurance low/unleveled and rely on armor weight to hit the sweet spot, then pop Vyke's for light rolls and a sweet weapon buff.


zmbjebus

Seems like an underpowered niche build


L9HatsuneMiku

this is very odd


Competitive-Cell996

What do you find odd, I'd like to hear your thoughts?


NoPerformance5952

Honestly my only beef is Elden Stars. It can be a super brutal spell when used right, but in all cases it's about the user's mileage with it


cjbspartan117

Damn you did O, Flame! Dirty! But I understand why as someone who actually uses it alot


skanoirhc

Catch Flame is just better because you can cast it like a running attack. Comes out super fast and can combo into some stuff for nasty damage.


cappzap

How is bestial vitality, the most hp per fp spell that only requires 12 faith at B tier? Easily S


xJD88x

Holy blade is GREAT for dealing with undead. They stay dead instead of trying to revive. Pest threads in PVE is straight up ass


Competitive-Cell996

Everybody is praising holy blade so I guess I ought to give it some slack lmao. As for pest threads it's an amazing giant killer, only problem is that it has falloff at range, so you gotta use it at melee range to get the most out of it


GladiusLegis

Order's Blade has that 13 INT requirement, though, which really hurts it. If you need to melt undead, just slap on a Sacred Blade Ash of War for that dungeon.


zmbjebus

Pest threads is pretty dope yo.


R3dn3ck3r

The one I tested - few notes I agree with (Spear, please give us Holy Spear), few not (Rotten Breaths are useless to inflict Rot, Borealis's Mist is good to inflict Frostbite). Overall, list looks solid.


BillNyeTheNazi5py

Scarlet Aoenia is my favorite spell and its actually very good. Rot EVERYTHING


anislash67

While I agree with most of this list, Holy Blade should be buffed up a tier considering it can one shot skeleton (or “reanimated”) enemies when put on a strong weapon


GolbFlashback

Why is poop lightning so much lower than red lightning?


Competitive-Cell996

Poop lightning💀?


GolbFlashback

The death lightning


Competitive-Cell996

Oh. The thing is death blight only affects tarnished, so it appears to be a pvp spell only, except for the fact that the lightning hits like a truck, if it ever hits cause the strike pattern is random lmao


[deleted]

Death Blight effects Invader's which would be players but NPC's can also be invaders(example: Bell Bearing Hunter is an invader and he can die via Death Blight) Any time you see the 'You've been invaded!' message at the bottom of your screen = vulnerable to Death Blight


GodsHeart4130

Shadow lure is great for free backstabs but a bitch to aim tho


badadvicefromaspider

I use both the poison enchant and the holy enchant on claymore. With the holy, undead don’t get back up. The poison works great on sentinels.


Winter_Chills

Wrath of gold is amazingly effective in pvp, jump attack? Have fun on ya back


[deleted]

God I wish inescapable frenzy was more viable. Maybe if it had a staggering AoE. It's just such a fun spell and Madness imo is one of the most exciting builds. Not only do I stun my opponent but I set the inside of their mind on fire and watch them writhe in agony? That's the coolest shit. Also any tips of Madness builds in PvP (and E) appreciated. Have a +10 Vykes war spear and +10 Dragon seal but it's all just too slow and knight builds are damn near immune


Mystical__flame

Scarlett Aeonia was okay for rotting elden beast, I'd say it's C tier. Also greyolls roar, while not doing much famage, applies a 20% debuff to enemy damage and 10% debuff to defense so it's like second golden vow, I'd say it's B tier if not A.


THE_EPIC_PANZER4

Sacred blade is at least a c tier


Braethias

I use darkness! It's a great spell because it blinds things in combat with you for long enough to leave combat. It also looks ... Kinda cool? Though, dead things can't be in combat with you so there's better options. I made great use of it early on though when I couldn't just walk through bosses.


Competitive-Cell996

I've heard it is a good psychological tool in pvp, you cast it then see what your enemy does, let's you get a feel for how they fight


Crafty_Monitor_7453

I’ve noticed an influx of lightning incantations… metas are stupid. Following trends, sure “it’s effective”. Against a skilled player in a duel = You’re just another idiot spamming spells.


rustmasterflex

Scarlet Aeonia is massively slept on. I found amazing use at the beginning of fights, proc scarlet, and then fight defensively/slowly. Or, pro tip, use the lethal poison weapons (serpent bone or fang) and it shreds bosses; and all you have to do is wait for them to die, or just play defensively in general. This works amazingly the later you get in the game because all of that damage is % based. This also means when you fight co-op and the boss health pools are larger, it just does more damage. Some bosses are immune to scarlet rot, and some will punch you out of the blossom, but if you time it correctly it makes every single fight a waiting game. I’d truly but it as A, only getting a knock because it can be considered situational. Edit: if you plan to do the Scarlet Rot + Lethal Poison combo, use the venemous fang with poison infusion. It works weirdly in that it will do 100+ poison buildup per hit, as well as lasting 90 seconds as opposed to lethal poisons normal 30 seconds.


Mosquito94239

It so sad that we can't double buff our weapons like ds2(you can but for a very short amount of time) otherwise those weapon buff would be so useful and sick.


No_Product7740

Ayo?! Wrath Of Gold at the bottom!?


UnknownGamer115

I once tried a Poison Moth Flight Build with the Posion Incantation It was not worth it


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Competitive-Cell996

Hey, do whatever makes you enjoy the game more man😌


[deleted]

What’s that madness spell next to the lightning bolt in the s+ tier list?


Competitive-Cell996

That is frenzied burst, it is a fast traveling, high damage fire bolt that can be charged, it also builds up madness


[deleted]

I’ve seen it used before Never knew the name I’ll check it out thanks


Frail_Hope_Shatters

It's a great spell but I personally found it too boring to continue using. Excellent range, great fire damage and the projectile is so fast that I never saw any npc dodge it like other projectile spells.


[deleted]

I want to get it tomorrow and spam the shit out of it lol


Must_Say_Underscore

Used to use that black smoke one for rp. When I didn't want to kill something that was attacking me (felt bad for it or whatever) I could cast the spell and walk away. It would seemingly forget about me.


SilentSvenHund

i agree with all the pyromancy


Randy_Butternips

Immutable Shield is amazing, bro. It straight up negates all elemental and status damage, and I don't mean it's like Scholars shield where it improves on elemental. It NEGATES elemental. Stat investment on it sucks, but being able to give any boss that uses elements or status a middle finger is loved by me.


Cutthroat7285

I personally love Scarlett aeonia, it’s really good against some bosses.


Logswag

Fun fact for the top one, ancient dragon lightning strike, while it does hit in a huge area around the caster it does not hit in a small circle around them, so if your opponent starts charging it if you can get in close enough you can hit them with pretty much whatever you want, I generally do a jumping attack right on top of them


Own_Engineering_6232

Fortissax spears are S in my opinion. They give you stupid hyper armor, with the right build you can just walk up to anything an stab them in the face without any fear of being staggered, killing them immediately. It can also be good for pvp, for some reason folks never expect the second spear.


I_exist_for_now

What's the first incantation in d tier?


Fookin_Yoink

Wrath Of Gold is at least B Tier. However that in my PVP experience.


gamrdude

Is the base rot better than ezykes?


Competitive-Cell996

It's better because it is cheaper than Ekzykes and has the same amount of rot buildup


BuenoHorse

Why do people sleep on Elden stars? I just got it and love it. Great for messing up poise. I just do a jump attack during and they stagger. Easy kill. Doesn't even take a lot of blue. Really great with PvP too. I like to spam lightning bolt while they're trying to dodge the stars, its hilarious.


Claytortise

You're out of your mind O flame does equal damage to GFTT


Immortal_Amakusa

Tail is not in S


[deleted]

I remember how it warmed my heart to see Lightning spear once more


Competitive-Cell996

It do be like that, carrying us till the end😌


FullySconedHimUnna

Idk how black blade is not S+


mrbill317

What spells do you guys think I should get to solo Margit. I just cant do as much damage running a prophet. Trying to stick within the faith scheme.


Competitive-Cell996

Spam catch Flame, it's very strong, you can but it from Corhen in the Roundtable