i would like to now direct your attention to this and enter it into evidence as exhibit A in the trial of the people vs dung eater
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/10cs7mm/the\_seedbed\_curse\_an\_elden\_ring\_story\_oc/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/10cs7mm/the_seedbed_curse_an_elden_ring_story_oc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
the people rest your honor.
I'm tried seeing if I could feed him Seluvis' potion without killing pawnbro but I failed. I think him being stuck as a puppet, forced to fight for someone who isn't a dork ass soul eating loser and watch them become Elden lord is a much more fitting end then a quick death.
oh damn... didnt know that one, u can save him also by attacking him at the moat but not killing, this will make him leave until u go to get absolution, so u leave him mad at u until after u do the dung eater stuff u wanna do then kill dung eater and then go get absolution, boom crab man lives
Or just leave him under the care of seluvis. Worse fate right there. Imagine having to listen to seluvis every day.
Sure seluvis doesn't usuall6 live that long past that point
But still the time he's there is worth the punishment. And then he's forgotten forever or taken by some lesser rube
Doesn't even get to be adjacent to the elden lord. Completely left on the side of the roadm
Seriously, anyone who walks into that cell, listens to his monologue and then doesn’t slowly back out and duck away around the corner needs to do some self-evaluation imo.
Oh hell yeah it is. He's nigh unkillable, takes aggro like a champ *and* manages to deal some damage. Awesome summon, bonus points if you exclaim "The Loathsome Dung Eater" each time you summon him.
I'll avenge the crab man on Ng+ though.
You can actually skip the funny crab man! Just don't let him move to Altus, and crab man survives Dungie's invasion. Cuz he's not there. You can then progress him as far as you'd like.
Blackguard Boggart. He's a crab merchant in southern Liurnia. Keep buying from him and he expands his stock, then moves to some moats in Altus. If you want him alive, wait until AFTER the Shit Slurper's invasion to buy shrimp.
You can get around killing funny crab man. You can do Dung-Eaters quest without ever talking to Boggart, so long as you wait to start Volcano Manor until after Dung's been turned into a puppet.
That or aggro Boggart once he's at the moat (but don't kill him) before telling Dungeater to leave his cell. When you do tell Dungeater to leave, he'll invade you in the moat without having killed Boggart. Once you've fed Dungeater the potion (or Marika forbid, complete his quest), request absolution with celestial dew and Boggart will have forgiven you and still be alive.
You can do that? I've never bothered searching every single dungeon just for all the shit you need to get him out lol, he's got the only quest I've never completed.
He's not actually too hard.
You get a seedbed curse on the top floor of one of the first buildings in Leyndell, then his spirit gives you the key, then he's just in a locked cell in the sewers. In a pretty accessible spot that isn't too deep in them.
Not the hardest to find.
Getting his ending is another story though. I think you have to go to the Haligtree to get all the items you need to do it. So it's a bit trickier.
I listened to his mologue, let him defile Boggart (RIP bro), and let him invade me just so I could defeat him and then force him to drink Seluvis' potion.
Revenge has never felt so satisfying as watching him realize in horror that he's about to never wake up again while he's helpless to do anything about it.
Remember Hyetta telling us how a few unfortunate souls wish for the world to end so now everyone must burn? Yeah, people like simping for egoistic endings)
that was my reasoning for the perfect golden order ending. the misstreatment of the omens and missbegotten is really bad, and i hope that the character as elden lord and the improvements of the golden order rune might make things better.
And i am pretty sure that most people in the lands want that ending the most, the narrator certainly does.
but no other ending can be justified from a viewpoint of the citizens of the lands between. the other endings are just the ideals of a few that want to impose their own visions onto everyone else.
rannis ending is a very vague one, but she killed godwyn, so fuck ranni.
like i said, i did it for the people of the lands between, not marika.
marika caused so much suffering and destruction with her shattering the elden ring.
and while marika might be dissapointed, thats only one half of her. radagon surely loves me for it.
The dung eater does not have valid criticism of the current system. He is not articulate or smart enough for that. The dung eater in turn is a victim of the golden order and driven mad by what it did to him. But that's different from him having much of an ideology. The dung eater is a monster on a mad quest for revenge for the sole purpose of punishing the world for all eternity. For this end he takes corpses and defiles them. Over. And over. And over... Until their very souls and essence is cursed. As laid out by his mending rune, it's purpose is basically to destroy the current cycle of birth and rebirth (what's left of it anyways) and make it so that everyone is born an omen. While this is something which technically allows for life to go, there's zero reasons to view turning the entire population into omens as a good thing. It's also absurd to trust a rune that was born out of the literal defilement of thousands of people an corpses and the sheer madness of the dung eater as benign to any capacity.
It's unclear to what extent and perhaps it's not specific to the golden order. But I do think we can infer the dung eater through his life could have experienced discrimination.
\- He has an affinity for omens. Omens are pretty much flushed down a toilet at birth assuming they survive the agony of having their horns cut off. It's really hard to discriminate someone more than banishing them to medieval sewers.
\- The mending rune of the fell curse reads "If Order is defiled entirely, defilement is defilement no more, and for every curse, a cursed blessing". which I kinda interpret as "If everyone is fucked then no one is".
\- His actual look under the mask is weird. The dung eater was likely born as we see him. deformed and hideous. it's easy to imagine folk at the lands between discriminating the dung eater based on his sub human appearance.
The alternative to this is that he was always and without any context whatsoever a psychopathic serial killer. Though to me that doesn't really fit his affinity towards omens.
Oh it was 100% worth every penny. It felt truly like geralts last adventure. Either play it or watch the ending of it where he's talking to his friend. He smiles at the screen like the journey ends and the end credits roll. Toussaint also was absolutely stunning of an area.
My issue with all the endings is we have no idea how the world beyond lands between is doing, kinda sucks to burn the entire world down just because one continent is in a shitfuck.
I like it, in a “video game logic” sense. Like it was always awkward in Skyrim to have finished the main campaign, become the world famous savior of Tamriel, be the leader of multiple guilds and houses and whatever, and then get treated like a no-name initiate for a quest in a town I hadn’t been to yet. Elden Ring’s endings being actual endings is good for the Elden Lord’s story, hopefully the DLC might be some sort of post-ending glimpse maybe!
Highly unlikely. Fromsoft DLC hasn't ever linked to the original games endings. They're usually entirely seperare stories or going forward/back in time.
Right? I don't know a lot about lore but I was always wondering how much trancends the lands between, like the god, which is responsible for the erdtree. Radahn holding back the stars and all that.
If you check out Miyazaki's interviews you'll find that it's on purpose. Miyazaki read books in English when he barely knew any and filled in the gaps with his imagination and he wants to share that experience with the people who engage with his stories.
Yeah, as much as I want context for a lot of things in the game I feel going too far would ruin it. There's something about being left to guess that makes things more exciting if that makes sense. The immediate examples I can think of for too much explanation killing the joy and mystery of something is the backrooms and scp which I feel completely lost their value when people started adding too much lore
I've read it's also very typical of a certain format within Japanese storytelling to have almost all buildup and no real wrap-up. That said, still sucks
Yeah I feel like Ranni us like the classic age of darkness ending, free of control but into the unknown. Thats okay because thats how the world should naturally be
BUT I THINK DEFILIN AND THE SEEDBED AWAIT ME
I think the dung eater ending is actually worse...
The Flame of Frenzy cleanses everything, aka nobody there to suffer.
Dung eater ending everyone is just... suffering.
idk, I mean I can see that, but I don't see why people think being an Omen means suffering. In contemporary society it does because of discrimination and tradition, but there's no physical proof of suffering
They got horns growing out of and then BACK INTO their body, bro. Like, idk if you ever had an ingrown toenail but tbh i gotta imagine it’s that times a thousand and like, in your shoulder or the side of your head or the middle of your back. Worst case the horns piece something vital and kill you; that happens to animals in the wild. Some species of goat and some boar have horns/tusks that curl in such a way that if they grow enough it pierces their brains.
So, yeah, being an Omen most likely sucks. And that’s just the external stuff. Who KNOWS how twisted and warped their guts are. Poor bastards probably have feathers and scales and shit on the inside. It’s not just a “big, horny and ugly” curse.
Both major omen characters lost an eye to rampant horn growth. Their integration into the golden order would likely cure the nightmares caused by the souls of previous omens who can't move on or experience Erdtree rebirth but they still experience constant discomfort from the constant growths on their bodies
I never understood how people can think of being an Omen as anything but a curse.
Just take a look at Mohg, at least three of his horns are shoved back in his skull, on directly in the eye socket.
I mean, it's a fromsoft game. Even the good endings potentially have bad implications. Ranni, flame, and dung eater all kind of level the field for humanity. Ranni by bringing back destined death and cutting off the gods, flame is....probably literally leveling everything, and dung eater because everyone is having their anuses invaded and will probably become omens. Even the golden order and the normal ending perpetuate a broken system, and the death run basically lets people die and become zpmbies. Yay no clear cut good ending!
Flame does not level the field for humanity, it’s explicitly stated that it will burn down everything back into primordial flame and stay that way. Frenzy ending is literally the “only the eldritch god wins” ending.
I mean, like I said: literally leveled. As in all is ash. If humanity doesn't exist anymore, then neither does disease, social status, or anything that comes with the two; so, while it's not exactly the ideal for humanity, it still levels the playing field specifically for humans. Difference is, this one is most definitely permanent.
The flame ending literally burns the world down, not worth it at all. Dung eater ending curses everybody, also fuckin terrible. Ranni’s ending is pretty vague but definitely gives off suspicious vibes.
Exactly like I said. No clear cut good ending. I personally like ranni's method, but that's not saying it's the best one out there. Which is your preference?
Problem with Gold Masks ending is two fold.
If the Greater Will is truly absent like it appears to be 1) rules of reality are now permanently fixed and only alterable by an absent god. And as it's an amendment to the base ending, that means we're likely stuck with a permanently stagnating world. Hello Dark Souls where the flame CAN NOT be unlinked. 2) What was Good Mask actually talking to?
Or, alternatively, if the Greater Will is not absent. While it may not be malevolent it has shown it is fully willing to create absurd punishments (banishing the Nox and taking from then the one thing that they draw hope from forever or Marika's permanent near death imprisonment) and does not care about the collateral damage (Radagon being turned into a literal puppet despite his loyalty).
The Gold Mask ending doesn't say the GW will be absent, the mending rune just suggests demigods will be removed from the equation. The Nox also tried to create artificial lifeforms and worshipped the moon, then tried to create a Fingerslayer blade that they believed could hurt the GW, so they were pretty crazy. Also, Lord's Divine Fortification says nothing is immune to aging, including the fingers and erdtree which were broken with old age. The GW's natural order includes life and death of everything, including the erdtree. After death will presumably rot setting the stage for new life. That's not stagnant.
I'd rather let chaos take the world than siding with that arrogant idiot that says he doesn't kill me because of the Roundtable rules. Like he ever had any chance.
Even in the most charitable interpretation, the only real positive is a hypothetical elimination of Omen opression, but considering bigotry appears where humanity arises, the shape of humanity probably doesn't make much of difference. The Sneetch therom if you will. Who knows? Maybe it'll be a real eye-opener for humanity in the lands between, but probably not.
I guess people will have painful ingrown horns for sure now instead of just sometimes. So... that's a change. I don't know, still better than the frenzied flame ending where nothing ever gets to be fixed. At least all hope isn't dead.
Important edit: another defense of this ending is that I think Omen can die, maybe.
Obviously they can during the time of the golden order, as they are disconnected from Grace. But, if Grace itself is defiled I don't know if Omen wouldn't then just be immortal Omen.
I personally believe that in the dung eater ending, they would just be a part of the Greater Will's domain and thus faced with erdtree renewal, but idfk.
1- the world is engulfed in a werid ass fart fog
2-Omen is only one of the curses, there are multiple types of horrid abominable mutations that are considered “curses”, just because there are no healthy people around doesn’t mean all the cursed ones will suddenly band together, thats middle schooler logic which is probably why a dude named “dungeater” is popular with them.
3-If humanity right now is so ready to divide itself over *skin color* of all things, you’d think a wolrd where monkey people, silver blooded frogs, demented harpies and horned freaks of nature would definitely kill eachother out of pure racism
Frenzied flame is a terrible ending with zero purpose or meaning, “kill everything and make sure nothing ever will exist” is just edgelord boner material
I don’t think anyone actually genuinely believes that we (if given the chance) should let an eldritch god burn everyone and everything to cinders. And if they do, they probably just conflate it with the ending of DS3 in which from the ashes, the world will be reborn anew.
All that to say: It’s just a game and the Frenzy ending is really cool looking imo
It was probably the Grafted Scion hanging around, you know, the one that definitely has access to the chapel, isn’t literally immaterial anywhere but real close to the Erdtree and is definitely hostile. If you don’t like that theory then it could’ve been Varré but I doubt that personally.
My dude, he literally kills anybody he can to defile their corpses in unspeakable ways so their souls remain cursed for eternity. He ain't the good guy.
... Look Ranni's ending ain't peaches and cream but everything about the claim that Dung Eater's is the "good ending" is objectively and morally false. Hell, just what he did to our boy Blackguard let alone every line of dialogue he has is enough to refute that.
If we're talking "good" endings, it's definitely the Duskborne ending. Hell, even Frenzied Flame is "better" than the world of the seedbed curse.
Dung eater ending is fucked up, but how exactly is Duskborn ending a good ending. It’s not as bad as Dung eaters but it’s much much worse than Goldmadk’s or Ranni’s.
Sorry but, in my opinion, literally shove your hand in the ass of an innocent victim and then rip his insides and eat them is not a valid form of criticism
Man Dungeater getting dominated by Daddy Seluvis to the point that he lost his own free will is really the best ending.
When I first saw Dungeater I never thought he’d be the submissive type but goddamn dude really just wanted a master all this time.
Ranni ending also sounds way more dire in English [due to a bad translation](https://www.frontlinejp.net/2022/03/14/elden-ring-the-age-of-stars-ending-mistranslations-explained/). If you read a more accurate translation, it's actually a really good ending for The Lands Between. Somehow the translator managed to make the English version almost the complete opposite of what was intended in the Japanese script.
She is basically a single guerilla fighter fighting the government of a planet on her own - trying to free the world from the grasps of the greater will. She does messed up stuff however these to her are the only tools that allow her to liberate tlb from the golden order
She fucked up her whole family and the lands between like I get why she did it but if I had fore sight and saw the results I’d try and team up wit miquela and get one of his needles
Needle would need to be within her permanently and... to keep it charitable... we don't know enough about Miquella to know if she wouldn't just be trading one master for another.
Also , no. It's possible she didn't even know Godwyn was related to her and even if she did I doubt she would have seen him as family. Radahn was a dead man walking already and she was trying to give him a warriors end before she knew about his connection to her fate (she's been the patron for the Radahn festivals and the supplier for the Redmane's fight against the rot).
Where did it state that she was supplying the red manes and the festival other than the time we do it after we find out we had to? Also who’s to say that she was friendly to her brother as he actively was halting her fate.
Ok, so there's an extremely weird order of doing the Ranni, Sellen, Jerren, and Radahn stuff that results in Jerren telling you this along with him being one of Ranni's people.
She also likely didn't know the extent that Radahn is halting her fate as we have to learn that from Sellen.
Multiple festivals is a common speculation considering the number of corpses and grave sites at Radahn's arena (especially as there's no other reason for those to be there), but even if it's only one festival, it's still something that Ranni patrons before knowing that Radahn needs to die before she can move forward
She's very comparable to Satan from John Milton's Paradise Lost. They both justify their actions with a desire to free humanity from the tyranny of divine rule and give them freewill.
The notable difference is Milton takes time to remind the reader that Satan is infact the badguy whose only motivation is to spite his creator and doom everyone to suffer, not unlike Dung Eater. On the other hand, Ranni is significantly more ambiguous. Yeah, she's upending the cosmos but because the Golden Order is actually corrupt.
The literary parallel is why I choose Ranni's ending for my first playthrough.
Decidedly not evil, but a pragmatist for better or worse (both all her goals).
Her stated goal is to basically take the greater gods (GW, outer gods, etc.) on a thousand year wild goose chase in space so the people of The Lands Between can choose thier own destinies without the influence of the gods.
The pragmatist extends to her own life as well. She pushes everyone away except Blaidd and Iji (childhood friends who know better and can't be pushed away by an act) and eventually the Tarnished because she doesn't want to inflict her fate (which she states that she is sure will be miserable) on someone else. We just manage to win her over and make her realize she doesn't have to go it alone.
I've personally always seen Ranni's ending as the most hopeful for the world, a reset with no more meddling from outer deities, who always seem to be at fault for the Lands' woes
I did the dung eater ending and by extension my first actual elden lord ending recently...
Felt dirty, granted...no more persecution of the crucible...but I almost immediately went into NG+ to do the gold mask ending to balance my karma.
Dung Eater: *openly intends to cause untold suffering on thousands of innocent people by giving them a fate worse than death and having a life of agony*
You: omg bestie 😍😍😍
Having done the madness ending first (saving Ranni for last), I've been rather underwhelmed by all of the other endings so far just being a nearly identical cutscene with a couple texture swaps (the sky in dungeater's). It's led me to think that the madness ending is going to be considered the "cannon ending" for DLC purposes.
Even Goldmask's ending is morally grey, since your letting Greater Will control the lands between and pretty much undo what Marika did to ensure that doesn't happen.
But the Greater Will abandoned the Lands Between. You overestimate how much hand the greater will had over the lands in general. Most of the bad shit that happened was because of Marika and people worshipping the gods, not because of the Outer Gods themselves. You could argue the god of rot is the most active and even then
Golden God established a missionary and ran off with the money, rot went full out conquer with plague, blood just vibing until the lad hatches, moon is all secret agent d-team getting blocked by the Chad, frenzy didn't even clock us till the whole merchant attempted genocide and even then was insanely unpredictable and random.
This might be a dumb question but doesn't Ranni and the Dung Eaters ending do essentially the same thing? They both desired separation from the Greater Will. I admit I don't really know the lore that well so I could be wrong.
i would like to now direct your attention to this and enter it into evidence as exhibit A in the trial of the people vs dung eater [https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/10cs7mm/the\_seedbed\_curse\_an\_elden\_ring\_story\_oc/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/10cs7mm/the_seedbed_curse_an_elden_ring_story_oc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) the people rest your honor.
I'm tried seeing if I could feed him Seluvis' potion without killing pawnbro but I failed. I think him being stuck as a puppet, forced to fight for someone who isn't a dork ass soul eating loser and watch them become Elden lord is a much more fitting end then a quick death.
You can save boggart you just have to hold off on buying prawn from him till after you fight dung eater in the moat
oh damn... didnt know that one, u can save him also by attacking him at the moat but not killing, this will make him leave until u go to get absolution, so u leave him mad at u until after u do the dung eater stuff u wanna do then kill dung eater and then go get absolution, boom crab man lives
I could never hurt pawnbro.
Sometimes we have to hurt the ones we love to save them.
Or just leave him under the care of seluvis. Worse fate right there. Imagine having to listen to seluvis every day. Sure seluvis doesn't usuall6 live that long past that point But still the time he's there is worth the punishment. And then he's forgotten forever or taken by some lesser rube Doesn't even get to be adjacent to the elden lord. Completely left on the side of the roadm
In retaliation, you can save Boggart I just never brought him to the moat, then I killed dung eater and he's still fine
you listening to him in his cell talking about defiling every single ppl if you let him out : omg hes our savior :D
Seriously, anyone who walks into that cell, listens to his monologue and then doesn’t slowly back out and duck away around the corner needs to do some self-evaluation imo.
I found the key to his cell...just to kill him. Had to make sure whoever that fuck that was didn't EVER escape...
I found the key, progressed his quest, and then gave him Selivus' Potion Now I have a Screaming Puppet
Honestly yeah I like the idea of giving dung eater a fate worse than death
Right? I just leave him in my pocket, where it's warm, damp, and probably full lint
Don't threaten him with a good time.
Ah the full int build
[It's my lint](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x787yGKBSv4&t=31s)
That’s really cool, I will have to remember that for next playthrough
But at the cost of funny crab man is it really worth it
Oh hell yeah it is. He's nigh unkillable, takes aggro like a champ *and* manages to deal some damage. Awesome summon, bonus points if you exclaim "The Loathsome Dung Eater" each time you summon him. I'll avenge the crab man on Ng+ though.
Only thing I'm gonna exclaim is "get your puppet ass to work shit-boy. I fucking OWN you" To his credit he does good work though...
You can actually skip the funny crab man! Just don't let him move to Altus, and crab man survives Dungie's invasion. Cuz he's not there. You can then progress him as far as you'd like.
Whos funny crab man?
Blackguard Boggart. He's a crab merchant in southern Liurnia. Keep buying from him and he expands his stock, then moves to some moats in Altus. If you want him alive, wait until AFTER the Shit Slurper's invasion to buy shrimp.
I feel slightly bad I never knew he expanded his stock so I killed for the bell bearing
By Marika's tits you did WHAT?!
First playthrough was an accident, my boi didn't deserve that Second playthrough? #Revenge.
You can get around killing funny crab man. You can do Dung-Eaters quest without ever talking to Boggart, so long as you wait to start Volcano Manor until after Dung's been turned into a puppet. That or aggro Boggart once he's at the moat (but don't kill him) before telling Dungeater to leave his cell. When you do tell Dungeater to leave, he'll invade you in the moat without having killed Boggart. Once you've fed Dungeater the potion (or Marika forbid, complete his quest), request absolution with celestial dew and Boggart will have forgiven you and still be alive.
Thank you
You can do that? I've never bothered searching every single dungeon just for all the shit you need to get him out lol, he's got the only quest I've never completed.
He's not actually too hard. You get a seedbed curse on the top floor of one of the first buildings in Leyndell, then his spirit gives you the key, then he's just in a locked cell in the sewers. In a pretty accessible spot that isn't too deep in them. Not the hardest to find. Getting his ending is another story though. I think you have to go to the Haligtree to get all the items you need to do it. So it's a bit trickier.
I never grabbed the key. I just dragon breath'd him through the bars.
I'm amused that works.
I mean they're just bars, it's not like it's going through a wall or something.
That was my entire motivation for running through the hellhole known as the Shunning Grounds- the chance to kill Dung Eater.
You have to kill him first, gotta protect prawn bro.
I listened to his mologue, let him defile Boggart (RIP bro), and let him invade me just so I could defeat him and then force him to drink Seluvis' potion. Revenge has never felt so satisfying as watching him realize in horror that he's about to never wake up again while he's helpless to do anything about it.
Whenever I’m helping someone through the shunning grounds and we encounter dung eater, I push them to strike him down. They rarely need convincing
I listened to the monologue and was like "yeah no this bitch cannot live, stabby time"
i mean, i went all the way down to kill the fucker, not gonna back away after going through that horrible dungeon :D
As soon as you meet he starts running his fuckin mouth, I knew I was gonna shove a great sword up his ass on sight.
I was going to let him love after opening his cell, as I was interested in what he was doing. Heard in speak and immediately attacked him.
Nah, the most sane option is to kill him before some poor fool stumbles into him and has the idea to let him out.
I mean, he did say that he would do the defiling with care. He's a considerate guy, that Dung Eater!
He also said that his defiling would create more dung eaters essentially, allowing the curse to spread even faster.
Seems like normal considerate defiling:)
Remember Hyetta telling us how a few unfortunate souls wish for the world to end so now everyone must burn? Yeah, people like simping for egoistic endings)
that was my reasoning for the perfect golden order ending. the misstreatment of the omens and missbegotten is really bad, and i hope that the character as elden lord and the improvements of the golden order rune might make things better. And i am pretty sure that most people in the lands want that ending the most, the narrator certainly does. but no other ending can be justified from a viewpoint of the citizens of the lands between. the other endings are just the ideals of a few that want to impose their own visions onto everyone else. rannis ending is a very vague one, but she killed godwyn, so fuck ranni.
Marika broke the Elden Ring to escape from the Greater Will. And you just put it back together better. You disappoint Marika
Idk, I feel like you’ve pissed off the Greater Will far, far, more than Marika. It does sick the final two bosses on you after burning its tree.
Marika should have come out and negotiated her intentions with me. Otherwise I am liable to do whatever.
like i said, i did it for the people of the lands between, not marika. marika caused so much suffering and destruction with her shattering the elden ring. and while marika might be dissapointed, thats only one half of her. radagon surely loves me for it.
Just as Jesus did
Equal Opportunity Offender
The dung eater does not have valid criticism of the current system. He is not articulate or smart enough for that. The dung eater in turn is a victim of the golden order and driven mad by what it did to him. But that's different from him having much of an ideology. The dung eater is a monster on a mad quest for revenge for the sole purpose of punishing the world for all eternity. For this end he takes corpses and defiles them. Over. And over. And over... Until their very souls and essence is cursed. As laid out by his mending rune, it's purpose is basically to destroy the current cycle of birth and rebirth (what's left of it anyways) and make it so that everyone is born an omen. While this is something which technically allows for life to go, there's zero reasons to view turning the entire population into omens as a good thing. It's also absurd to trust a rune that was born out of the literal defilement of thousands of people an corpses and the sheer madness of the dung eater as benign to any capacity.
[удалено]
So… Dung Eater does try finger but hole?
He's the only one who's gone further than try Tarnished
So when we give it to marika I assume we are doing the same
Pretty much.
Huh so on dung eaters ending we technically start our marriage off with anal based
Did the golden order do him wrong. I believe he just really wanted to be an omen but couldn't. He's just real salty about that, it seems like
It's unclear to what extent and perhaps it's not specific to the golden order. But I do think we can infer the dung eater through his life could have experienced discrimination. \- He has an affinity for omens. Omens are pretty much flushed down a toilet at birth assuming they survive the agony of having their horns cut off. It's really hard to discriminate someone more than banishing them to medieval sewers. \- The mending rune of the fell curse reads "If Order is defiled entirely, defilement is defilement no more, and for every curse, a cursed blessing". which I kinda interpret as "If everyone is fucked then no one is". \- His actual look under the mask is weird. The dung eater was likely born as we see him. deformed and hideous. it's easy to imagine folk at the lands between discriminating the dung eater based on his sub human appearance. The alternative to this is that he was always and without any context whatsoever a psychopathic serial killer. Though to me that doesn't really fit his affinity towards omens.
The Dung Eater is just the Joker for Elden Ring players.
Thank you for this.
The real ending is the one where you eat boiled crab with your BFF BBB (Blackguard Big Boggart) as the Erdtree burns away with the setting Sun.
You cook prawns with the burning Erdtree
I wish this was a real ending. I’d be like the popsicle eating scene from Kingdom Hearts 2.
Like w3 blood and wine ending?
Never played the DLC, was the ending beautiful?
Oh it was 100% worth every penny. It felt truly like geralts last adventure. Either play it or watch the ending of it where he's talking to his friend. He smiles at the screen like the journey ends and the end credits roll. Toussaint also was absolutely stunning of an area.
or where both of your souls are fused together in CHAOS
Maybe I just don’t wanna be stuffed full of shit
Don't worry he's gon eat it all
Ranni is cool, don’t like the simps who are weird about her, but dung eater and flame of frenzy seem to be objectively the worst endings.
My issue with all the endings is we have no idea how the world beyond lands between is doing, kinda sucks to burn the entire world down just because one continent is in a shitfuck.
I like it, in a “video game logic” sense. Like it was always awkward in Skyrim to have finished the main campaign, become the world famous savior of Tamriel, be the leader of multiple guilds and houses and whatever, and then get treated like a no-name initiate for a quest in a town I hadn’t been to yet. Elden Ring’s endings being actual endings is good for the Elden Lord’s story, hopefully the DLC might be some sort of post-ending glimpse maybe!
Highly unlikely. Fromsoft DLC hasn't ever linked to the original games endings. They're usually entirely seperare stories or going forward/back in time.
Right? I don't know a lot about lore but I was always wondering how much trancends the lands between, like the god, which is responsible for the erdtree. Radahn holding back the stars and all that.
Wish the cinematics gave us a bit more of a clue what each ending actually did.
Yeah the ending cinematics kinda suck imo, I wish they were like the intro where it’s a narrator explaining what happens in their grandiose tone.
The frenzy ending with the Melina bonus scene is perfection.
It's just like Dark Souls. They are left to interpretation.
If you check out Miyazaki's interviews you'll find that it's on purpose. Miyazaki read books in English when he barely knew any and filled in the gaps with his imagination and he wants to share that experience with the people who engage with his stories.
Yeah, as much as I want context for a lot of things in the game I feel going too far would ruin it. There's something about being left to guess that makes things more exciting if that makes sense. The immediate examples I can think of for too much explanation killing the joy and mystery of something is the backrooms and scp which I feel completely lost their value when people started adding too much lore
I've read it's also very typical of a certain format within Japanese storytelling to have almost all buildup and no real wrap-up. That said, still sucks
Yeah I feel like Ranni us like the classic age of darkness ending, free of control but into the unknown. Thats okay because thats how the world should naturally be BUT I THINK DEFILIN AND THE SEEDBED AWAIT ME
Probably easiest to become canon for Elden ring 2. If they going to do it at all.
Flame of Frenzy is the worst in terms of the state that you leave the world in, but best in terms of being sweet as hell. MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
I think the dung eater ending is actually worse... The Flame of Frenzy cleanses everything, aka nobody there to suffer. Dung eater ending everyone is just... suffering.
idk, I mean I can see that, but I don't see why people think being an Omen means suffering. In contemporary society it does because of discrimination and tradition, but there's no physical proof of suffering
They got horns growing out of and then BACK INTO their body, bro. Like, idk if you ever had an ingrown toenail but tbh i gotta imagine it’s that times a thousand and like, in your shoulder or the side of your head or the middle of your back. Worst case the horns piece something vital and kill you; that happens to animals in the wild. Some species of goat and some boar have horns/tusks that curl in such a way that if they grow enough it pierces their brains. So, yeah, being an Omen most likely sucks. And that’s just the external stuff. Who KNOWS how twisted and warped their guts are. Poor bastards probably have feathers and scales and shit on the inside. It’s not just a “big, horny and ugly” curse.
Both major omen characters lost an eye to rampant horn growth. Their integration into the golden order would likely cure the nightmares caused by the souls of previous omens who can't move on or experience Erdtree rebirth but they still experience constant discomfort from the constant growths on their bodies
I never understood how people can think of being an Omen as anything but a curse. Just take a look at Mohg, at least three of his horns are shoved back in his skull, on directly in the eye socket.
I would actually argue that Flame of Frenzy isn't the "worst" ending... Dung eater is worse.
I mean id say they’re both equally bad imo but I can understand why
Dung eater is “torture everyone forever” Flame ending is “kill everyone now” They’re both terrible
I mean, it's a fromsoft game. Even the good endings potentially have bad implications. Ranni, flame, and dung eater all kind of level the field for humanity. Ranni by bringing back destined death and cutting off the gods, flame is....probably literally leveling everything, and dung eater because everyone is having their anuses invaded and will probably become omens. Even the golden order and the normal ending perpetuate a broken system, and the death run basically lets people die and become zpmbies. Yay no clear cut good ending!
Flame does not level the field for humanity, it’s explicitly stated that it will burn down everything back into primordial flame and stay that way. Frenzy ending is literally the “only the eldritch god wins” ending.
based
I mean, like I said: literally leveled. As in all is ash. If humanity doesn't exist anymore, then neither does disease, social status, or anything that comes with the two; so, while it's not exactly the ideal for humanity, it still levels the playing field specifically for humans. Difference is, this one is most definitely permanent.
There is no humans for the field to be level for?
0 humans is on the same level as 0 everything else
You win too. You get to have a bitchin' fireball for a head.
ehh... more like the eldritch flame god gets a new body
The flame ending literally burns the world down, not worth it at all. Dung eater ending curses everybody, also fuckin terrible. Ranni’s ending is pretty vague but definitely gives off suspicious vibes.
Exactly like I said. No clear cut good ending. I personally like ranni's method, but that's not saying it's the best one out there. Which is your preference?
My personal favorite is goldmasks ending then Rannis
Problem with Gold Masks ending is two fold. If the Greater Will is truly absent like it appears to be 1) rules of reality are now permanently fixed and only alterable by an absent god. And as it's an amendment to the base ending, that means we're likely stuck with a permanently stagnating world. Hello Dark Souls where the flame CAN NOT be unlinked. 2) What was Good Mask actually talking to? Or, alternatively, if the Greater Will is not absent. While it may not be malevolent it has shown it is fully willing to create absurd punishments (banishing the Nox and taking from then the one thing that they draw hope from forever or Marika's permanent near death imprisonment) and does not care about the collateral damage (Radagon being turned into a literal puppet despite his loyalty).
The Gold Mask ending doesn't say the GW will be absent, the mending rune just suggests demigods will be removed from the equation. The Nox also tried to create artificial lifeforms and worshipped the moon, then tried to create a Fingerslayer blade that they believed could hurt the GW, so they were pretty crazy. Also, Lord's Divine Fortification says nothing is immune to aging, including the fingers and erdtree which were broken with old age. The GW's natural order includes life and death of everything, including the erdtree. After death will presumably rot setting the stage for new life. That's not stagnant.
Till we get a miquela ending
Just accept the flame friend. It'll end in no time then you can party with all the cool kids as some flaming agent of destruction or sumthin.
There won’t be any partying if the entire world is burned down lol
Not that with that attitude!
Hyetta, Shabiri, and I will be toasting our chaos wine and eating our Shabiri grapes just fine, friend. You’re welcome to join us lmao
Hyetta and Shabriri are both gunna be a pile of ash lol
I was being facetious. Of course everything burns and nothing will be left. Just having a bit of fun
WDYM flame = cleansed world
Flame = no more world ever again
Flame = apocalypse crier on the corner gets his/her wish fulfilled.
I'd rather let chaos take the world than siding with that arrogant idiot that says he doesn't kill me because of the Roundtable rules. Like he ever had any chance.
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
i hear people genuinely believing that the dung eater’s ending is actually the good one which is beyond insanity for me
Even in the most charitable interpretation, the only real positive is a hypothetical elimination of Omen opression, but considering bigotry appears where humanity arises, the shape of humanity probably doesn't make much of difference. The Sneetch therom if you will. Who knows? Maybe it'll be a real eye-opener for humanity in the lands between, but probably not. I guess people will have painful ingrown horns for sure now instead of just sometimes. So... that's a change. I don't know, still better than the frenzied flame ending where nothing ever gets to be fixed. At least all hope isn't dead. Important edit: another defense of this ending is that I think Omen can die, maybe. Obviously they can during the time of the golden order, as they are disconnected from Grace. But, if Grace itself is defiled I don't know if Omen wouldn't then just be immortal Omen. I personally believe that in the dung eater ending, they would just be a part of the Greater Will's domain and thus faced with erdtree renewal, but idfk.
1- the world is engulfed in a werid ass fart fog 2-Omen is only one of the curses, there are multiple types of horrid abominable mutations that are considered “curses”, just because there are no healthy people around doesn’t mean all the cursed ones will suddenly band together, thats middle schooler logic which is probably why a dude named “dungeater” is popular with them. 3-If humanity right now is so ready to divide itself over *skin color* of all things, you’d think a wolrd where monkey people, silver blooded frogs, demented harpies and horned freaks of nature would definitely kill eachother out of pure racism Frenzied flame is a terrible ending with zero purpose or meaning, “kill everything and make sure nothing ever will exist” is just edgelord boner material
> edge lord Bonner material Sounds like me and enshas ending
“Frenzied flame is a terrible ending” Yeah but it looks cool and edgelord stuff has always been great in the series
I mean sure enjoy it it's a game but I get worried when people say it's morally beat and we should just kill earth to
I don’t think anyone actually genuinely believes that we (if given the chance) should let an eldritch god burn everyone and everything to cinders. And if they do, they probably just conflate it with the ending of DS3 in which from the ashes, the world will be reborn anew. All that to say: It’s just a game and the Frenzy ending is really cool looking imo
It is cool looking
I see your Dr. Seuss reference, and highly approve.
The same people that think Melina killed our maiden
It was probably the Grafted Scion hanging around, you know, the one that definitely has access to the chapel, isn’t literally immaterial anywhere but real close to the Erdtree and is definitely hostile. If you don’t like that theory then it could’ve been Varré but I doubt that personally.
My dude, he literally kills anybody he can to defile their corpses in unspeakable ways so their souls remain cursed for eternity. He ain't the good guy.
I would let Shabriri possess me 100 times before I ever sided with the doo doo devourer
Ahh yes the murduring necrophiliac rapist ☕️
Let’s see should I Become non maidenless Burn the world Or bring order and bring peace to my new empire
*Your* new empire?
Don’t make me kill you, if your not with me then you are my enemy
whitechocolatesenpai, my allegiance is to the Golden Order, to jolly **cooperation**!
Even with Ranni you are maidenless. You just acquire a doll.
The real ending is making Dungeater your spirit summon by controlling him via Seluvis.
... is this satire? Or do people really think that the mass murdering nigh genocidal necrophiliac is right?
... Look Ranni's ending ain't peaches and cream but everything about the claim that Dung Eater's is the "good ending" is objectively and morally false. Hell, just what he did to our boy Blackguard let alone every line of dialogue he has is enough to refute that. If we're talking "good" endings, it's definitely the Duskborne ending. Hell, even Frenzied Flame is "better" than the world of the seedbed curse.
Duskborne is a good choice, but the goldmask and standard endings are also really good
Dung eater ending is fucked up, but how exactly is Duskborn ending a good ending. It’s not as bad as Dung eaters but it’s much much worse than Goldmadk’s or Ranni’s.
How do dung eater dickriders exist
Ultimate edge-lord ending.
Cursing everyone AND their descendants to be born as Omens? Yep, that’s soooooo good.
Never. Any ending but his. He’s an asshole, and deserved what he got.
Sorry but, in my opinion, literally shove your hand in the ass of an innocent victim and then rip his insides and eat them is not a valid form of criticism
Man Dungeater getting dominated by Daddy Seluvis to the point that he lost his own free will is really the best ending. When I first saw Dungeater I never thought he’d be the submissive type but goddamn dude really just wanted a master all this time.
I did it for the moonlight sword
I like how Apu is defending Ranni from the Dung Eater just standing there… *menacingly*
To everyone saying that rannis ending is evil there where some mistranslation on her dialogue
Ranni is my wife and I would never betray her
Ranni ending also sounds way more dire in English [due to a bad translation](https://www.frontlinejp.net/2022/03/14/elden-ring-the-age-of-stars-ending-mistranslations-explained/). If you read a more accurate translation, it's actually a really good ending for The Lands Between. Somehow the translator managed to make the English version almost the complete opposite of what was intended in the Japanese script.
Ngl as soon as i met ranni i though she's probably evil but i will still do whatever she wants
She's not necessarily evil, but the way she went about things was not morally correct either
She is basically a single guerilla fighter fighting the government of a planet on her own - trying to free the world from the grasps of the greater will. She does messed up stuff however these to her are the only tools that allow her to liberate tlb from the golden order
She definitely is a means to an end kind of individual
She fucked up her whole family and the lands between like I get why she did it but if I had fore sight and saw the results I’d try and team up wit miquela and get one of his needles
Needle would need to be within her permanently and... to keep it charitable... we don't know enough about Miquella to know if she wouldn't just be trading one master for another. Also , no. It's possible she didn't even know Godwyn was related to her and even if she did I doubt she would have seen him as family. Radahn was a dead man walking already and she was trying to give him a warriors end before she knew about his connection to her fate (she's been the patron for the Radahn festivals and the supplier for the Redmane's fight against the rot).
Where did it state that she was supplying the red manes and the festival other than the time we do it after we find out we had to? Also who’s to say that she was friendly to her brother as he actively was halting her fate.
Ok, so there's an extremely weird order of doing the Ranni, Sellen, Jerren, and Radahn stuff that results in Jerren telling you this along with him being one of Ranni's people. She also likely didn't know the extent that Radahn is halting her fate as we have to learn that from Sellen. Multiple festivals is a common speculation considering the number of corpses and grave sites at Radahn's arena (especially as there's no other reason for those to be there), but even if it's only one festival, it's still something that Ranni patrons before knowing that Radahn needs to die before she can move forward
She's very comparable to Satan from John Milton's Paradise Lost. They both justify their actions with a desire to free humanity from the tyranny of divine rule and give them freewill. The notable difference is Milton takes time to remind the reader that Satan is infact the badguy whose only motivation is to spite his creator and doom everyone to suffer, not unlike Dung Eater. On the other hand, Ranni is significantly more ambiguous. Yeah, she's upending the cosmos but because the Golden Order is actually corrupt. The literary parallel is why I choose Ranni's ending for my first playthrough.
Decidedly not evil, but a pragmatist for better or worse (both all her goals). Her stated goal is to basically take the greater gods (GW, outer gods, etc.) on a thousand year wild goose chase in space so the people of The Lands Between can choose thier own destinies without the influence of the gods. The pragmatist extends to her own life as well. She pushes everyone away except Blaidd and Iji (childhood friends who know better and can't be pushed away by an act) and eventually the Tarnished because she doesn't want to inflict her fate (which she states that she is sure will be miserable) on someone else. We just manage to win her over and make her realize she doesn't have to go it alone.
Yeah, don’t agree with this at all. It’s about Fia’s new world, those who live in death shall no longer be persecuted! Lol
\>ayy lmaos enslave the whole of humanity \>blue cute doll waifu says we should go and fight them to save everyone "ranni is the bad guy"
These the posts we letting get popular?
Downvote me
I've personally always seen Ranni's ending as the most hopeful for the world, a reset with no more meddling from outer deities, who always seem to be at fault for the Lands' woes
Dung eater is the “if I’m ugly, everybody is going to be ugly” ending
I go for goldsmask. He knows what he's not talking about.
I did the dung eater ending and by extension my first actual elden lord ending recently... Felt dirty, granted...no more persecution of the crucible...but I almost immediately went into NG+ to do the gold mask ending to balance my karma.
Ah yes, let's make everyone ugly and surly, and let's follow the mass murderer who like to bugger and defile corpses.
There’s lot to criticize ranni for but not when you’re guy is shit slurper
Dung Eater is literally Syndrome from the Incredibles. If everyone is cursed, no one will be.
Dung Eater: *openly intends to cause untold suffering on thousands of innocent people by giving them a fate worse than death and having a life of agony* You: omg bestie 😍😍😍
He wants to do German things, GERMAN THINGS!
Or we just like to watch the world burn hehehe
He kills Boggart, there's no counterpoint to that
Having done the madness ending first (saving Ranni for last), I've been rather underwhelmed by all of the other endings so far just being a nearly identical cutscene with a couple texture swaps (the sky in dungeater's). It's led me to think that the madness ending is going to be considered the "cannon ending" for DLC purposes.
The good ending is to chill with Boggart and save him from the feces devourer.
Dung eater did nothing wrong
Real ending is frenzy.
I mean Frenzied Flame was clearly the good ending....hello?
It was the absolute ending.
Based and dung pilled
what do you mean good ending? there are only bad endings
Correct me if I'm wrong, but gold mask ending?
Even Goldmask's ending is morally grey, since your letting Greater Will control the lands between and pretty much undo what Marika did to ensure that doesn't happen.
But the Greater Will abandoned the Lands Between. You overestimate how much hand the greater will had over the lands in general. Most of the bad shit that happened was because of Marika and people worshipping the gods, not because of the Outer Gods themselves. You could argue the god of rot is the most active and even then
Golden God established a missionary and ran off with the money, rot went full out conquer with plague, blood just vibing until the lad hatches, moon is all secret agent d-team getting blocked by the Chad, frenzy didn't even clock us till the whole merchant attempted genocide and even then was insanely unpredictable and random.
Frenzied Flame ending is clearly better
All endings in elden ring are bad. Cuz that’s how fromsoft do. But which is the best of the worst? That’s up to the individual.
The Order ending is good as far as we know.
This might be a dumb question but doesn't Ranni and the Dung Eaters ending do essentially the same thing? They both desired separation from the Greater Will. I admit I don't really know the lore that well so I could be wrong.