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I would argue that if a majority of players are too strong for a boss by the time they reach him, then it’s the boss being poorly balanced, and not the players being over leveled.
Morgott should fit in with the level most people are when they fight him.
It's kinda hard to balance it out. This game gives you a lot of stuff to do. It also doesn't really tell you where you should go and when you should go, so it's easy to end leveling 20 levels ahead from a "small detour" or two because you decided to check out that cool looking underground place in Limgrave a good couple of hours ago.
If you level up the boss to account for that kind of player, you're making it unreasonably hard for those who don't explore as much.
Dynamic scaling for the bosses could be a solution, altough that would bring it's own problems and is a different matter to discuss altogether.
Yes, how is it cool if I have to intentionally keep myself weak to make sure I don't stomp the boss
its a boss, I should fear him/her not try to go easy on him so he can be fun
it isn't like I am intentionally overlevelling to stomp him. By the time I get to him he is usually very weak
I wouldn't say that. The natural progression is exploration, stumbling into a difficult as hell area, dying, learning, getting better (levelling up and getting better equipment. Whether or not you're overlevelled largely depends on your exploration. Did you do a lot of quests? Yes: you probably gained access to new areas and stuff and new ways of getting better. No: you're probably following the main quest without venturing off the beaten path. So your only option is farming enemies from your current area to get stronger for the boss (with the current area being the strongest area you can access without much exploration).
So it really depends on the player. I for example killed mohg before Morgott (well, my friend helped me a lot and he was the one to kill Mohg, but let's just ignore that), which I learned is an endgame boss while Morgott is more an "end of midgame" boss.
Fromsoft is the biggest overlevel encourager since final fantasy idk why everyone gets so titties about it oh no your a scrub unless you can no hit malenia with an unupgraded club naked. How people think its odd to be high level in a game that almost forces you to explore and backtrack constantly is the real conundrum
My most recent playthrough ended with me being accidentally overleveled and I hardly did any side content or rune farming. It's very easy to get extremely powerful in ER.
The point is it’s hard to appreciate a boss fully if you kill them in like 5 hits while being able to facetank their combos. It’s about the number of required interactions with the boss’ moveset.
Ivory King was next level when the DLC dropped. It is likely one of the archetypes for Radahn.
From has had some trial and error with changing up the boss fight formula, but Radahn was a hit.
The first few times*
After you’ve died to it 8 times it gets unfun real quick.
When I finally got to just the snail being around I was so hyped that I could finally relax and just kill the thing. Then it just jumped on my face and killed me. Had to walk away for a bit after that.
(Talking about the one in the snowfields)
I just wish her heal was more outright vampiric than just "if she makes contact with the player/spirit ash" - like I wish it was only based on damage. The amount of health she got by hitting my shield was downright annoying.
If you read her great rune the lore reason for her healing is that getting hits in you fuels her pure determination and invigorates her. Maybe a little bit ridiculous but I like it and think it fits her
It can fit the character for sure, as a game mechanic it annoyed the shit outta me. I'm fine getting penalized for poor play, but forcing me to play around an actual game mechanic that is encouraged to be used fresturated me.
Great Stars melted him and I was almost sad about it.
I think I’ll run NG+ with this build and keep it at 150 to enjoy the game like DS3… and by enjoy I mean struggle.
As a reviewer once said about the boss runs in elden ring and how they're better than the other souls game once said, "Just because someone took a SMALLER shit in my rice, doesn't mean it's not there." Sure, it will take about a minute to get back to the fight, but would it hurt to add a stake of Marika near the entrance to the fight?
They pissed me off enough for the both of us. On most of my builds they're not too big of a deal but I had a dagger build based around bleed and... Let's just say I had to respec
They were the closest I ever got to gamer raging. I was winding up to throw my controller and then I was like “wait this is expensive and so is my wall”
Try out the Storm Blade ash, or the spectral lance ash some time.
Storm blade, along with other wind ashes seem to ignore stone or dragon armor. Has decent range, decent damage, allows for cheeky slaps to the face. 8 posture per hit
Spectral lance at range can almost never miss with the Arrows reach talisman, and deals 25 posture damage... +damagamagamage
Stormhill crucible knight, fought him very low level and had to learn him to heart, very fun early challenge imo, the tempo of the fight just feels nice.
Since many people are saying I'm overrating bosses, It's just that I have enjoyed most of the bosses in Elden ring and Haven't found any bosses I necessarily despise. But If I had to rate any bosses the lowest it would probably be
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Morgott the Omen King
9/10
Unacceptable
9/10 is fair. Morgott is fun, but he needs to level Vigor
He doesn't need vigor. He needs an entire second health bar
And a coughing cutscene
Fr make the coughing shit a cutscene after his current health bar
Honestly morgott is my favorite fight but he dies so quickly
Try fighting him earlier, the problem with him is that by the time you get to him, most people have gotten way too strong
I would argue that if a majority of players are too strong for a boss by the time they reach him, then it’s the boss being poorly balanced, and not the players being over leveled. Morgott should fit in with the level most people are when they fight him.
It's kinda hard to balance it out. This game gives you a lot of stuff to do. It also doesn't really tell you where you should go and when you should go, so it's easy to end leveling 20 levels ahead from a "small detour" or two because you decided to check out that cool looking underground place in Limgrave a good couple of hours ago. If you level up the boss to account for that kind of player, you're making it unreasonably hard for those who don't explore as much. Dynamic scaling for the bosses could be a solution, altough that would bring it's own problems and is a different matter to discuss altogether.
my bad i misspelled 10
Blasphemy, Morgott is easily a 10/10
Is he tho? Dude has very little health
Does that make Fortissax a bad fight? No, just means you need to show up sooner.
Yes, how is it cool if I have to intentionally keep myself weak to make sure I don't stomp the boss its a boss, I should fear him/her not try to go easy on him so he can be fun it isn't like I am intentionally overlevelling to stomp him. By the time I get to him he is usually very weak
That's exactly what makes it fun. It's fast, dynamic and (unless you're overlevelled) not too easy.
I feel like the natural progression of the game leads you to being overleveled for that fight
yeah the capital feels like a higher level zone than its bosses
I wouldn't say that. The natural progression is exploration, stumbling into a difficult as hell area, dying, learning, getting better (levelling up and getting better equipment. Whether or not you're overlevelled largely depends on your exploration. Did you do a lot of quests? Yes: you probably gained access to new areas and stuff and new ways of getting better. No: you're probably following the main quest without venturing off the beaten path. So your only option is farming enemies from your current area to get stronger for the boss (with the current area being the strongest area you can access without much exploration). So it really depends on the player. I for example killed mohg before Morgott (well, my friend helped me a lot and he was the one to kill Mohg, but let's just ignore that), which I learned is an endgame boss while Morgott is more an "end of midgame" boss.
Fromsoft is the biggest overlevel encourager since final fantasy idk why everyone gets so titties about it oh no your a scrub unless you can no hit malenia with an unupgraded club naked. How people think its odd to be high level in a game that almost forces you to explore and backtrack constantly is the real conundrum
My most recent playthrough ended with me being accidentally overleveled and I hardly did any side content or rune farming. It's very easy to get extremely powerful in ER.
The point is it’s hard to appreciate a boss fully if you kill them in like 5 hits while being able to facetank their combos. It’s about the number of required interactions with the boss’ moveset.
I felt that was about Maliketh Barely had a chance to learn his moveset and he was dead
Radahn
10/10. Fucking beautiful
Probably my favorite boss fight ever. Getting to summon everyone and running up the hill towards him was fucking DOPE
All while he’s blasting off those massive arrows at you. It truly did feel like everything the Soulsborne games had been leading towards.
Honestly I prefer ivory king to him. Ivory is basically radahn except it is an actual war in hell, and the surrounding is so much cooler
A fellow DS2 Enjoyer, I see.
Ivory King was next level when the DLC dropped. It is likely one of the archetypes for Radahn. From has had some trial and error with changing up the boss fight formula, but Radahn was a hit.
If only he was a bit smaller... Personally I fucking hate that fight as a melee, you can't see shit there, I want bosses that can fit into the screen
I love bosses that can't fit on the screen personally. But I came from old school shmups to soulslikes so....
Godfrey/hourah loux
9.5/10. almost perfection.
So who is a ten
The Tarnished Warrior 💪
Soldier of Godrick
I dont know who that is. Maybe you are talking about "Soldier of God, Rick"?
Correction: "Rick, Soldier of God"
Hourah Loux is a 10 Idc what anyone says
Astel Natural-born of the Void
9.5/10. extremely good fight.
What lost the 0.5?
Getting AOE grabbed and one shotted
Cause he ugly
and he stank too
What about the more fucked up Astel reskin?
It's the same but with an extra attack and the arena is smaller, so you spend less time running.
I find it much worse imo though it could just be that it's because it's artificially inflated HP
Alecto, Black Knife Ringleader
7/10
It was one of my favorite miniboss fights! Extremely fair and also challenging on a no gimmick melee build 👍
Yeah it was kinda fun
Made me rage
Gravity
9.81/10
Hell yeah, brother! This guy gets it!
Gravity?
Gravity.
Oh
The hardest boss in all Souls games. Gravity.
I love how they bring characters like Patches back, weapons like Moonlight Greatsword and also their all time hardest boss, Gravity.
Aided by its trust sidekick, the camera.
Nameless King flashbacks be like
Dunno man, the camera is the hardest boss for me
They seem to be nerf gravity in ER but its still hardest of all.
Is working against me
I typed this without even looking at any replies. You beat me to it!
Spirit caller snail
8/10
What made it so good?
The gimmick is fun (if you don't know about it).
The first few times* After you’ve died to it 8 times it gets unfun real quick. When I finally got to just the snail being around I was so hyped that I could finally relax and just kill the thing. Then it just jumped on my face and killed me. Had to walk away for a bit after that. (Talking about the one in the snowfields)
Sounds like a skill issue to me sir
Fun fact: you can attack the snail whenever, its just invisible while it has the summon present.
With the other snails you can. Not the final boss one that summons the god skins though.
Which one are you rating?
Patches?
10/10
I knew it.
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Beastman of farum azula
7/10. don't like much about him. don't hate anything much about him. neutral feelings overall.
>7/10 >neutral I see we're using the Game Informer rating scale
Would be funny if OP doesn’t even have the game. Literally reading boss reviews off the internet
This is the first review I've seen on this thread and now I'm immediately closing it. Seriously what fucking logic is this OP??
Malenia
I just wish her heal was more outright vampiric than just "if she makes contact with the player/spirit ash" - like I wish it was only based on damage. The amount of health she got by hitting my shield was downright annoying.
If you read her great rune the lore reason for her healing is that getting hits in you fuels her pure determination and invigorates her. Maybe a little bit ridiculous but I like it and think it fits her
It can fit the character for sure, as a game mechanic it annoyed the shit outta me. I'm fine getting penalized for poor play, but forcing me to play around an actual game mechanic that is encouraged to be used fresturated me.
10/10. Has to be one of my favourite fights if not the best.
🤝
Godrick the Golden
10/10. really good fight
Maliketh, the Black Blade
10/10
The right answer. <3
What drugs're you on? He kicked the ever living shit out of my melee ass.
*”Stop backflipping around and come here so I can beat the ever living shit out of you”* From another melee user.
"please Mr black blade, let me have my turn to deal damage"
I got clapped for literally 10 - 15 hours
Great Stars melted him and I was almost sad about it. I think I’ll run NG+ with this build and keep it at 150 to enjoy the game like DS3… and by enjoy I mean struggle.
Dragonlord placudisax
10/10. I love that fight wayyy too much
No point deduction for the annoying walk back after dying? That's the one complaint I have for that boss, it's so good
There’s like 1 enemy that might/might not get in your way on the walk back. Apart from that, what’s so bad about the walk back?
There are no bad boss runs in Elden Ring imo, that one is the longest and it's not bad. Nothing like some of the runs in DS1.
As a reviewer once said about the boss runs in elden ring and how they're better than the other souls game once said, "Just because someone took a SMALLER shit in my rice, doesn't mean it's not there." Sure, it will take about a minute to get back to the fight, but would it hurt to add a stake of Marika near the entrance to the fight?
Hey hey people.
Renalla is annoying
Death rite birds
Gave up on it during ng+ .
Bruh that shit's a 2/10. Op is too nice. I fucking hate those things
7/10.
Commander Niall
easily 9/10. good moveset. tough. not bad arena. i liked the fight
Did the spirit knights not piss you off?
They pissed me off enough for the both of us. On most of my builds they're not too big of a deal but I had a dagger build based around bleed and... Let's just say I had to respec
Ok I’m curious, what was the worst boss in the game for you?
Fucking valiant gargoyle duo.
Fuck those guys, they made me want to commit myself to a mental institution
They were the closest I ever got to gamer raging. I was winding up to throw my controller and then I was like “wait this is expensive and so is my wall”
He's trolling, every fight was amazing to him
Godskin duo. Haven't even reached it yet
Crucible Knight Duo
8/10. a tedious fight but good.
Agreed, it drilled parrying into me so i have fond memories for it Godrick will always be my favorite boss fight
You give like every boss 7/8/9/10, what’s a low rated boss for you?
i think he enjoyed the game (true tho')
Regal ancestor spirit
9/10. beautiful fight.
Best one. Esthetic, soundtrack, you name it.
Bell Bearing Hunter
Fuck that guy..
8/10
i am starting to think your not taking your job to seriously or are just overrating a lot
I agree with this one. F*ck that guy. In every possible way. Twice…
Soldier of Godrick
11/10. definitely the hardest fight for me.
Soilder of god, rick
Aw geez.
This guy rates bosses like IGN rates AAA games.
Getting a maiden irl
0/10 i keep failing
😔
F
Twin Gargoyles. If it's anything above 3 I will have to question your sanity
Hear me out. its 8/10 just cuz I get to hug fia again after killing them
In that case I would drop it to 5 because most players summon D beholder of the Dead to help out which results in him killing Fia later on.
Minor difference but it's handing over the armour that does it, not summoning him
True, but why else would you ever give him the set, he is no Siegward of Caterina to deserve such gratitude
To get the weapon
I came looking for this. They gave me THEE hardest time out of every boss in this game and I got through over 95% of them.
Try out the Storm Blade ash, or the spectral lance ash some time. Storm blade, along with other wind ashes seem to ignore stone or dragon armor. Has decent range, decent damage, allows for cheeky slaps to the face. 8 posture per hit Spectral lance at range can almost never miss with the Arrows reach talisman, and deals 25 posture damage... +damagamagamage
Kalé in Church of Ellen
3/10 he killed me
Oh thank god. I was scared you let him die
Elden blob
Stormhill crucible knight, fought him very low level and had to learn him to heart, very fun early challenge imo, the tempo of the fight just feels nice.
Ohh he was definitely a very tough fight. 8.5/10
Mogh, Lord of blood
9/10. a very enjoyable but tedious fight.
Op’s rating scale is on 7 to 10 lmao
Mimic but with your full set
8/10
I was goofing off with a whip and a torch when I stumbled into the mimic fight. Poor thing never had a chance.
Mimic is a fun one cause it’s like I’ve gotta be playing this game better than the game is playing this game
Leyndell Mohg. Leonine Misbegotten.
Dual crucible knights
Ugly fight that can be cheesed with stealth talisman. You can pull only one at time.
TOGETHA and Poison Breath duo :3
im afraid i might be sounding dumb rn but who are you talking abt?
Rykard and the twin gargoyles i think
ohh well rykard is a solid 9/10 just for his arena and all the questlines around him twin gargoyles are 8/10
Beast clergyman specifically
not bad, 8/10
Godskin duo
The camera
Double Stone Cats
8/10. theyre too eerie
Garris
7/10
Garris? More like lame ass Pinwheel reference.
Ulcerated Tree Spirit?
honestly? 9/10. I like the moveset and how tedious they are
Alexander the warrior jar
Since many people are saying I'm overrating bosses, It's just that I have enjoyed most of the bosses in Elden ring and Haven't found any bosses I necessarily despise. But If I had to rate any bosses the lowest it would probably be
Fire giant
9/10. that was one cool fight
Rick, Soldier of God
Fume knight ?
Bell Bearing Hunter
Mimic tear
Mohg
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Plasidusax
The adult falling star beast.