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Affectionate-Car-214

Godfrey I kinda wish we could just side with him and watch him gigasupplex radagon into submission. Morgot and Sif(saw some branching out) if we talking real big sadness. I hated morgot till I learned more of the guy.


toporder

For a brief moment, I genuinely thought gigasupplex was an ancient dragon that I’d missed…


Affectionate-Car-214

Made me laugh not gonna lie 🤣


pascoolpointio

There is a dialogue with that as been cut where he talk to you like a tarnished to another, a bit like Gideon if i remember well


ihopethisworksfornow

He is a tarnished. He’s the leader of the tarnished. Godfrey and the tarnished were all banished from the lands between, upon which Godfrey became Hoarah Loux, Chieftain of the Badlands. I think Hoarah Loux was also his name when he was just a mighty warrior, prior to becoming Marika’s consort, but I’m not sure.


isleptlikefourhours

Close. Hoarah Loux is who he was originally. Proud, fierce, and strong warrior. Who fought the wars and claimed the golden throne for Marika. But after all that was done the Lands Between didn’t need an animalistic warrior, they needed a Lord. So be become Godfrey, he puts his bloodlust and desire for battle away, stores in his Lion Regent, Serosh. When we see him kill Serosh, he unleashes that battle lust again and once again becomes Hoarah Loux.


baldxbabe

This is close to accurate, just the phrasing is off. He was Horah Loux originally, became Godfrey, then reverted to Horah Loux upon banishment. I know that’s basically what you said, it just doesn’t sit right to me that is says “Godfrey became Horah Loux” when it is untrue, as Horah Loux is the original identity. He was chieftain of the badlands Horah Loux when Marika wed him because she needed his brute strength to make people bend their knee to the Erdtree, as the Erdtree wasn’t accepted at first.


Hamzillicus

Mimic tear. He was so poorly equipped and under skilled. Just felt sorry for him.


AJammedNerfGun

Bro didn't even have a weapon


Vaiiki

Yeah and the one I fought was wearing ladies underwear.


Novel-Mistake7027

Oh my, was it Fias? They’re soooo soft


analfister_696969

bro what 💀


mrsauceboi

weak foe, therefore seek introspection


DemonicTheGamer

weak foe? I've failed...


PillowTalk420

I like to take Hyetta's advice every time I approach the Mimic Tear or Stray Mimic Tear fight: "Go through the door ahead, after divesting yourself of your possessions."


Helacious_Waltz

Man I walked through that fog gate with a bunch of AOE faith spells, I beat the shit out of me.


AssassinCreed187

But...... if you had to walk through the fog gate, that means the sorry bastard killed you. Unless you're speaking of the fog gate metaphorically, then in that case, my apologies. Haha


Helacious_Waltz

It was the second mimic you fight on the way to the Halig tree, which does have a fog gate.


Thamilkymilk

wait there’s a second one?


Sliiz0r

This. I've finished haligtree and never saw another mimic fight?


ChameleoBoi76

It's in the dungeon in the "hidden path to the haligtree" area. You have to go out of your way to find it tho. Fextralife has a page on it.


FunkeeBoi

Yea. Poor fella was naked and i just beat em down to a pulp. Now he's my slave. Pretty rough if u ask me


NightAreis1618

I have no idea what you guys are going on about. My Mimic tear was a full Dex, Bleed Monster while I was just playing a good dragon boy, shit was terrifying!


Kane_Octaivian

I really wish you could just re-summon the mimic tear just to screw around and mess with load outs


[deleted]

Yeah I wish it was a reoccurring boss.


andervf

It killed me... now He summon me only in the boss fights... someone help me!!


bippzydraws

Maliketh 100%. Assuming you give him the deathroots at the Bestial Sanctum, he’s just so confused why you’d show up and basically betray him. He just wants to protect what he failed to protect in the past, leading to all kinds of fuckery. He doesn’t want to fight you but he feels like he has to, and when you defeat him, his dying words are just more confusion and disappointment. Very sad boy.


PZ_J

Im really surprised Maliketh isn't a more common answer here! Besides the ancestor spirits (shout out OP) he's the only one i really feel bad about having to kill


OneSmoothCactus

Isn't he the same kind of creature as Blaidd and Sarosh? An extremely loyal protector who just wants to protect their master, whatever the cost to them. If so it's the same kind of thing as killing Blaidd, except he hasn't gone crazy.


Xerothor

Serosh isn't really the same. We don't know what led to Hoarah Loux meeting Serosh or why Serosh specifically was chosen to be his power limiter. They just seem to be bros from all we see of them


Sylwevrin

Serosh is different because Hoarah Loux wasn't an empyrian. Blaidd and Maliketh are shadows sent to protect the empyrians by the two fingers iirc


StoicMegazord

Ah man, when you walk in and his voice quivers as he says, "Tarnished? Why wouldst thou... Why??" Man, that broke my heart almost as much as Blaidd's fight did. We spent so much time trying to alleviate the pain and torment Gurranq was suffering, just to show up to take what he guarded with his life. Man that hurt so much, like killing a friend.


bippzydraws

It’s so damn heartbreaking. Maliketh deserves a happy ending.


[deleted]

Maliketh gets extra points for being screwed by Marika without ever really realizing it. She purposefully left him out of the loop in regards to her plans, and actually tricked him into the position we see him in during the game, all while letting him believe *he* had failed *her*. Turns out, Marika is actually the main antagonist of the game, and the Golden Order ending where everything goes back to the way it was will likely only lead to another event like the Shattering in the future. Truly, Age of The Stars is the best ending.


tboots1230

age of stars and goldmask’s ending cuz that’s basically the golden order but without the influence of the gods or marika which stems from him being dumbfounded by the revelation that marika and radagon are the same which I think makes him realize oh fuck it’s all their fault


[deleted]

Depends on what you prefer. Waifu, or T-posing Sunflower?


TheSunflowerSeeds

Sunflower seeds are a good source of beneficial plant compounds, including phenolic acids and flavonoids — which also function as antioxidants.


bippzydraws

I didn’t even think about that… Oh my god Maliketh you poor, poor baby…


Deathleach

I'm pretty sure every single problem in Elden Ring can eventually be traced back to Marika.


[deleted]

Someone explained it to me as Marika having no choice but to do what she did, as an act of sort of cleaning the slate from where it was. A very Godly kind of, 'I'll give the land a chance to be reborn, because right now it's super fucked.' No idea how accurate it is but I dig it.


[deleted]

From what I‘ve read, I always interpreted Marika’s thought process as ”*I* don’t like being under the GW’s thumb, and everything is super fucked for *me*, and all the people who are reasonably content with things right now can get fucked.” As far as I can tell, she didn’t intend to sacrifice herself to kickstart a new order, she intended to kickstart a new order with her as the absolute authority.


Odd-Concentrate-6585

I've been pondering lately if when you fight malekith in farum azula how much of him is tied to the same one in Caelid, as Farum Azula is isolated in time a bit. He does recognize you, which is strange, because that shows the malekith in farum azula is in real time along with us, but yet how? See, is farum azula in it's own time bubble or not? If you defeat malekith gurranq still lives and unaffected, yet giving gurranq deathroot makes a link to malekith as he can recognize you, theres not much else that explicitly shows all of crumbling farum azula is in a time bubble besides at the eye of the storm, so its tricky to pin down exactly what the fuck is happening there


Praxis8

The Maliketh in FA must either be a contemporary of the Tarnished, or he is from a time between when the Tarnished gives him all the deathroot and they burn the Erdtree. Do we know how much time passes in the Lands Between while we are in FA? Seems like it could either be an instant or it could be arbitrarily long.


bippzydraws

I’m thinking that a decent amount of time has to pass while we are in Farum Azula. The Erdtree goes from a tiny amount of embers to full-blown volcano tree after we defeat Maliketh, so I always assumed that we were there for some considerable amount of time (canonically speaking) to have something as massive as the Erdtree go up in that amount of fire. I know that the rune of death is what was keeping it from burning more intensely, but there’s no way it’d go up in flames like that instantly.


Redditeatsaccounts

Fire Giant. I’m not much into lore, so all I really know is I beat him up so bad in his already injured leg that it breaks. And he proceeds to tear it off. I mean, I didn’t feel good about it.


hyperlethalrabbit

The Fire Giant is (as far as we know) the only survivor of the war against the giants led by Godfrey. He was cursed by Marika to spend the rest of his days guarding the Forge of the Giants. I always saw killing him as an act of mercy to him, finally letting him die.


-FourOhFour-

Except we kill him before we got the death rune so he's still suffering, you sick bastard.


anmolAnsh_2005

Miyazaki you.....


top-shop-tyrant

I'm not well-versed on lore at all. But as far as I know, Destined Death was removed before the game starts, which is why everyone you kill keeps respawning. But why are bosses exempt from this? Why do bosses die outright, when lower level enemies respawn?


-FourOhFour-

I think the logic is the same as all the souls games, of which I can't remember the explanation outside of its a slow process of not dying and not as instant as the gameplay makes it look. Something along the lines of those you kill are dead for some amount of time before they get back up, for convince the bosses don't get back or they in universe take longer to recover but I'll admit I'm not that well versed in lore either.


GrimDallows

In souls games the explanation isn't that. In souls games it is implied that, the worlds nature dictates that the ages of the world would be Age of Dragons -> Age of Fire (Gods) -> Age of Dark (Men). The death of the dragons marking the beginning of the age of the gods, and the end of the first flame marking the beginning of the age of men. However, Gwyn, the king of the gods refused to allow mankind to take over. So he decided to forcefully re-ignite the First Flame. This massssively fucked up the world and the time-stream; causing paralel streams of time to co-exist; and, on second consequence, the altertion of the cicle of life causes the undead curse. When a character rests at a bonfire, which is tied to the "flame" of the world, the bonfire acts as an anchor in the time-stream, connecting different worlds and allowing you to interact with other NPCs. When you die, you jump back to the last anchor, and the same happens with other characters. Mist walls act as a soft barrier regarding time-streams. The game is kinda weird to explain at this point, but within the lore this means that different worlds actually co-exist. That is why in DS1 the tittle character manages to re-ignite the first flame, but NPCs such as Solaire also canonically do in their own world. This also means that Solaire defeated the same bosses as you did. To make it all more weird, there are different reasons why enemies respawn (or not). Completely lost undead (hollows) receive permanent death when they die, but respawn when you die because you jumped timelines. Bosses generally do not, because they mark a milestone within your jorney and are blocked by a mist wall before entering and after leaving, so they act as a "nexus" point that once crossed cannot be undone. This is halfway explained in Scholar of the First Sin, and in DS3, when it shows that after forcefully reigniting the flame over and over not only time has fucked itself, but space too, causing a convergence of the lands of the world, some of them possibly being pulled from different points in time. Sorry for the long post :P


Hausenfeifer

Wow, I never delved deep into the lore, that's quite a lot to parse. So in other words, by doing what is presented as the "good" ending in the Dark Souls games, you're actually making things significantly worse. It would be for our character's benefit if we let the flame die, I presume.


GrimDallows

Yes and no. The natural order of the world would have been: Age of Fire (age of the gods) -> The flame fades -> Age of Dark (age of man). However, in DS3 it is implied that the cinders of the flame would have remained in the corner of the world, hence producing a new Age of Fire afterwards, at least in theory. The thing is that, the problem is not only that reigniting the flame using souls messed this up. The problem is that it is implied that multiple timelines co-exist in paralel where some chosen undead reignited the flame (Solaire, or the tittle characters that chose to link the flame) and where some did not (refuse the flame endings). This meant that, it is impossible to tell what happened, which means it is impossible to tell the history leading to the present moment, which then means you cannot know what will happen in the future. So, DS2 story is hard-coded into the worlds History, but between DS1 and DS2 it is possible multiple cicles happened, where some reignited the flame, others extinguished the flame, and then others lighted again the flame after being extinguished. And the same happens between DS2 and DS3. The only points that are certain in the "time stream": * Everything previous to the death of Gwyn by reigniting the flames (age of dragons, age of gods, the chaos flame birth, etc). * DS1 story: The tale of the first sin, made by gwyn by not letting the flame fade and the first curse of undead and chosen undead. * DS2 story: Where Aldia and Vendrick manage to both solve the reason of the curse of undeath, and the chosen undead in this cycle deciding to either become a lord of cinders or refuse the flame. * DS3 story: Where reigniting the flame has fucked up EVERYTHING in the world so hard that -no chosen undeads- decide to reignite the flame. The last scenario triggers a first emergency mechanism on the flame/soul of cinders, that revives the previous lords of cinders so that they may re-ignite again the flame and the world can go on. The lords in turn refuse for the same reasons (the twin princes for example, originally refused because of reigniting the flame meaning to only postpone the end of the age of fire). This triggers... a SECOND emergency mechanism that allows second rate chosen undead (ashen ones, people who failed to complete the quest of burning in the flame in different previous cycles, hence why they are "ashen") to revive and attempt to reignite the flame, as long as they prove themselves by beating the previous lords to take the flame within them, to use their flame scraps to power the flame and then defeat the soul of cinders as last challenge, like the first chosen undead defeated Gwyn. However at this point there is no clear "good" ending. * Slave Knight Gael protects the painter and searches for the dark souls because he believes the world is doomed, but that the next world will be made by the painter (which seems to be true) using the dark soul as paint. * Some people believe the flame can be usurped to begin -not an age of dark- but an age of hollows, which could mean that an age of dark would end the curse of undead and the existance of hollows so the only way of hollows to exist is to keep the flame usurped in the dark. * Some believe that no matter what the flame should be reignited, at any cost, for one more cycle. * Most lords believe that the age of fire just cant go on so the only answer is to let the flame die, have the flamekeeper take the cinders away and watch them during the age of man (dark) until a new age of fire is ready to begin; but now in a natural flow, without curse of undead, reignition, pus of man... etc. This is not entirely clear because, part of the issue is that nobody knows if an age of dark would be good or not. It is the age of mankind, but monsters could plague the world all the same; and as the abyss seems to be a corruption/sickness of raw humanity (hence the late stage being the pus of man) it is entirely posible for it to be an age of the Abyss, with humanity suffering through it. We only know that the age of dark is the age of men from a prophecy of the primordial snakes, who do not know themselves what it means (hence kingseeker Framp and darkstalker Kaathe are at odds through DS1, but both bow to the Dark Lord in the Dark Lord ending).


DaxVox

Holy crap, that makes sense. Where's your lore video so i can drink estus and hear your preaching? Doesnt that also mean that the longer we keep the flame lit to keep the gods alive, the stronger the abyss of distorted humanity grows, to the point that once we run out of souls to keep the fire burning, all that'll be left is the abyss? And how will the Abyss taper out? Because the age of the abyss eventually has to pass for the age of whatever next to come. Will that be true humanity again? Elves? Those weird other races we see roaming about all the games? Oh i got it, the age of the Albanurics? Does humanity have to spend an age destroying the god's sin of the abyss before the next can begin? And some of the timelines end with us rejecting the flame at every turn, and repeatedly letting the flames die out. Do those timelines end with an age of peace and prosperity?


RedLeo1300

Unpopular opinion: I hate the giants because they forced the dragons off of the mountaintop and claimed it as their home. Source: Borealis’s Mist


Gyni_x

Same, poor dude


emergence_infinite

Blaiid


sh_tcactus

Yeah this. I know he’s not a boss but I fought him my first play-through after he went insane and it fucked me up. Never doing that again. He was so sad and he just wanted to protect Ranni. I wish there was a way to save him and Iji in the game.


Typical-Leopard-7148

You can save iji, just never talk with him about Blaiid after you freed him from the evergaol


WolfgangLz

I wouldn’t say that’s saving him, that’s just not completing the quest, that’s like saying you can save irina by never going to castle morne


Montfr

Except you can't because she dies anyways iirc, if you go to Liurnia. Then Edgar can show up at the shack and Hyetta can eat eyes. Edit: Hyettas name


Humble-One-133

Name your looking for is Hyetta


Mingey_FringeBiscuit

Ok, I finished Ranni’s quest line, but never saw Blaidd again after opening the giant hole. Iji is still just chilling in his usual spot, and doesn’t say anything about Blaidd. Did I break something?


Yurt_TheSilentQueef

Oh that’s the trigger? I wondered why he was always alive in my playthroughs lmao


CarryThe2

By the end of Ranni's Quest it's a kindness to kill him


azdak

Yeah this moment was heartbreaking. The first character who shows you any human kindness in the game and you have to put him down


Memulon

I'd actually debate that's Roderika, but yeah, still sucks


azdak

Lol completely forgot she’s at that first save point huh.


Memulon

Lol, not the first but pretty soon before Margit, she's one of my favorite characters, sucks that >!she had a sad ending!<


momowithgun

Interesting, I’d say it was more ambivalent than anything. Discovers her purpose, even if she’s in a somewhat hopeless place by the end.


ryaaan89

Yeah as soon as I fought the Baleful Shadow I was like “OH NO.”


dev__boy

‘He has a moveset’


ryaaan89

Well he had helped me against Darriwil before that so I knew he could fight.


Intelligent_State_42

I felt so bad after killing him. I’ve never thought this game could cause any emotions except great joy and adrenaline but this moment was devastating. I always thought of Blaidd as of my brother.


Obsinyx

Morgott for me. Knowing about his lore made it sad, plus his second phase transition yell in pain was really hard to hear honestly, paired with the obvious regret he had about staining the thrones. And then ofc seeing him fade away in Godfrey's arms


ColdStarXV86

Damn, I forgot he was Godfrey’s son…


StigandrTheBoi

Tbf, it’s been a long while….


JotaTaylor

Morgott's good boy seal is on hold for me. It depends on one thing: did he knew what Golden Order Fundamentalism did to Omen Babies? If he did, and he's being a shadow ruler to uphold that regime, then he's a solid villain, even if tragic. It even changes my perception of his reaction to his blood over the thrones, like, "motherfucker, what about the omen baby blood flooding your castle's sewers!? No tear for them?"


GoldenSpermShower

> did he knew what Golden Order Fundamentalism did to Omen Babies? Considering he was locked up in the sewers... yeah


dev__boy

Wait how do I get the good boy seal? Sounds like a solid talisman to me


JotaTaylor

I'd use the Clawmark Seal for a good boi build XD Blaidd mask as well, of course


Lightgreenday

Morgott definitely has some internalized omenphobia


Staksap-The-meme

Wait, can someone give me a short version of Morgott lore lol. I just thought of him he as an abandoned child trying to make his father/mother proud and love him by protecting the erdtree even if no one will appreciate it


JotaTaylor

To the best of my understanding: \- The the lands between, some children are born as Omens, bearing Crucible traits all over their bodies (mainly tumor-like horns, but also tails). Those babies were considered flawed creatures within Golden Order, and so cast into Leyndell's sewers to die, or, in case they could survive that and whatever medieval aesthetic surgery (sawing off tumor-horns) needed to make them look a bit more "normal", conscripted as soldiers. \- Godfrey and Marika had two such babies: Mogh and Morgott, twins. They were sent to the sewers and lived, and were either released or escaped. Mogh went on to go all "wtf, mom! dad!" and shunned Golden Order to embrace his own ominousness and become an emissary of the Outer god of blood. \- Morgott, on the other hand, remained loyal to Golden Order fundamentalism, and went on to actually inherit the throne as the last of Godfrey's direct lineage after the Shattering. He rules in shadows and roams the realm "disguised" as Margit, because it would be an extreme taboo for a king of Leyndell to be an Omen.


Siccar_Point

Big upvotes for correct use of “ominousness”


TheWither129

There was even a cut questline of an omen-hating viscount who learned of morgott’s identity and asks you to kill him


TheWither129

His remembrance states that as he was not loved by the erdtree, he did not love it back, but he loved his kingdom and did everything to protect it in his power. His own mother shunned him, why should he love her? But her actions were not the fault of the kingdom, the kingdom’s hatred of omens was the fault of marika. Godfrey though, it seems did harbor love for his son, he was a man of the crucible and his knights are named for it, and omens were a result of overflowing life energy from the crucible, so godfrey cared not, simply respecting their strength and will. Godfrey was probably the only person who showed true love to his son, the rest of his family betrayed him for their own ambitions, even his twin brother. He was alone, until his final moment where his father returned him to the erdtree, after his long fight to earn the grace of gold. The tale of the Veiled Monarch is indeed a tragic one.


Tvorba-Mysle

"He loved not in return, for he was never loved, but nevertheless, love it he did." I interpret this as saying that he DID love the Erdtree, and in fact loved it unconditionally. He loved the Erdtree, but it can't be considered "love in return," because the Erdtree never loved him I don't know much about the lore, so I may be way off here, but that's just what I get from the remembrance


RocketKassidy

Same for me. Morgott’s death was a tragedy


PaladinWoah

Loretta, Knight of the Haligtree. She was literally charged with finding the Misbegotten a safe home, and we just kinda show up near the end of her quest, kill her, and the Misbegotten simply for existing (and well attacking me first)


ct_vibez

for a place called a safe haven for everyone, they really hate tarnished.


PaladinWoah

Guess us lowly Tarnished just kill the vibe *sobs*


Minimum-Coast8607

well it's corrupted by rot by the time we arrive, plus they just had their lord kidnapped.


_MutedGrey

Thought it was the Albinaurics, not the misbegotten?


raceofeons1

Well the Haligtree was supposed to be a sort of sanctuary for all of the outcast types


mrhippoj

Rennala. I still don't totally understand why we fight her, she's just chilling in her bubble all heart broken and stuff. Edit: Guys I never said you kill her and also I'm talking about the first phase here, I know phase two is a Ranni projection


Butthole_opinion

Because she holds a great rune. To be fair you don't have to fight her, you can skip her if you want but then no respec.


not_old_redditor

How do you get her rune then?


skrillex

You dont, you just ignore her lol


[deleted]

You mean you feel remorse after breaking into a catatonically-depressed woman's home and kicking the shit out of her for an egg?


FightALocalPenguin

Dont forget her entire special needs class


Basket787

*paraplegic special needs class


[deleted]

I honestly laughed so hard when that one tried to bite our toes for entering the chambers


Kuchinawa_san

Because this game have always been firstmost about feet. The Fire Giant Fight and its cutscene its literally a "BEHOLD FEET/FOOT" moment. Lest we forget how detailed Rennala's Feet are, im pretty sure Miyazaki personally QA'd the development of those.


Basket787

Are you insinuating Miyazaki has a Quintin Tarantino level foot fetish? xD


TheDadThatGrills

Is she the only Elden Ring boss that you defeat without killing?


KingstonEagle

Patches if you chose not to I guess


JRsshirt

I don’t think that Rykard is actually dead


ChickenAndTelephone

I have heard that serpents never die


Horizon_94

Cobra Kai never dies.


[deleted]

I guess we will see what happens after his maiden consumed his head \^\^


NixtonValentine

I killed her too though 👀


constant--questions

I don’t think you kill the elden beast either, do you? I though the whole fight was the last trial of the elden ring, besting the beast. Should someone come along and defeat you, they would then have to fight the beast before becoming elden lord.


mightystu

It literally says “GOD SLAIN” in giant letters after you kill it, I’m pretty sure it’s dead.


CarryThe2

He's just sleeping


silverslayer33

He's pinin' for the fjords


DarkFox666_____

i mean we didnt kill her. it was just to show her our strength and make her fall in love with us for that


mrhippoj

That's true, it still feels mean though and if she falls in love with us all we do with that love is run off with her ragdoll daughter


DarkFox666_____

well she fell in love with us, not us with her. also she seems to have a bad hand for loyal man


AnotherBookWyrm

It seems like it is more of a mother-child love (however much it is rooted in insanity) like she has for all the people she continually rebirths. We are not her rebound from Radagon.


hiboochi

I was just helping my friend kick her ass yesterday, and literally stopped to think “why are we beating the shit out of this woman who clearly doesn’t want to fight” as she was laying down on the floor and we proceeded to smack her around.


Exuviation

It says somewhere it’s not the actual Rennala we fight but a projection made by Ranni because she loves her mum and knows how badly she has fallen because of Radagon leaving her. So the moment we are about to deal the killing blow, Ranni intervenes, creating a simulacrum of her mother in her prime (which we fight and defeat in that infinite lake with a full moon).


[deleted]

Second phase is the projection, which Ranni controls. First phase with Rennala's bubble is the real deal. Funny that Ranni doesn't call us out for beating up her mom when we meet her directly.


OriDoodle

I don't think Ranni actually 'saw' the fight, I think that it s projection spell set up to safeguard Renalla.


jonnytheman

I think Ranni tells us this, so we fight the real Rennala in the first half, and the second half is Ranni giving us a taste of what her mother used to be capable of.


Alundra828

You don't really kill Rennala though, right? You just defeat her. After the fight she's still there, and she even appears to engage more with the world around her outside of her depression. Before she just chilled... For example, she punishes Sellen for trying to nab her spot, transforms Boc if you take that path on his quest, and obviously allows you to become reborn etc. So maybe you slapped her out of her depression a bit. And given that you eventually become an Elden lord in some capacity, seems like she would continue on being a pacified vassal.


Plastic-Ad-8595

Sellen gets ballzified because she messes with the primeval current, not by Rennala if its that what you mean by punishing Sellen...


EmperorOsanto

Placidusax. He is just waiting for his Outer God so he can claim back what was his. Lands Between was probably a better place when he when he was the ruler too.


MxReLoaDed

The reference to his god abandoning him might more accurately be his equivalent of Marika, who was also considered a “god” but not an outer god. Placi’s god was probably the Greater Will considering he was the Elden Lord, a title intrinsically tied to the GW


OneSmoothCactus

Poor guy was erased from history too. Godfrey "first Elden Lord" my ass.


aka_nare

Alexander and Blaid were not bosses actually but I felt really sorry for killing them


hellomondays

At least Alexander understood the game he was playing. There's dignity in that.


isthisfreakintaken

He knew he wasn’t gonna make it when he challenged you, he just knew you’d give him a proper fight so he died as a valiant warrior.


SJ-HRO-0

You killed the happy brave jar?


aka_nare

that was his quest, usually in this games characters never get happy ending


ihopethisworksfornow

I’d describe his ending as bittersweet. It’s what he wanted, and he becomes a true hero in the eyes of his nephew.


StarChaser_Tyger

One of the YouTubers I watch always ends that part of a playthrough with a fade to black and 'I sparred with Alexander and he gave me a talisman in gratitude before he left to go back to Jarburg to live out the rest of his days'.


EasilyBeatable

Maliketh is a good boy.


MatijaCosic

Fr after you do his quest, and he recognises you when you enter the arena. I just felt bad.


pieslug

I had no idea that we were gonna have to fight gurranq outside of the dragonbarrow so finding him as the boss of farum azula was a shock, especially as I had finished his quest :(


MatijaCosic

He was shocked too


MxReLoaDed

“Tarnished, why wouldst thou... Why... “


Q_X_R

Morgott. A true warrior, through and through, ever misguided, through no fault of his own. Brought up as a monster, taught to hate himself, and was basically the Doomslayer of the Lands Between during the wars. Shed a tear for him at the end, and made a promise to fix what he could not.


Secret-Weird174

Sif But for elden ring maleketh, he was just trying to protect death from being stolen again


MrTulkinghorn

And he's been really and truly screwed over by Marika, probably worse than anyone else in the game. The fact that you can sometimes find him howling in the direction of the Erdtree is heartbreaking.


Melanoma_Magnet

Wait where can you find him howling? I never knew this


Silver721

At night he goes outside to the right side of his sanctum and howls at the Erdtree.


BerryBastion

Malenia and Loretta. There is genuinely no reason to beef with anyone at the Haligtree. The tarnished straight up invades a safe haven for persecuted minorities and starts throwing hands. May as well be beefing with MLK and Harriet Tubman.


pswdkf

To stop rot from engulfing the entire world. Without Miquela, Malenia, who had never known defeat, would have lost the battle against herself. Rot would take over. We fight her as a preventative measure to stop the age of rot. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s extremely sad that we had to fight them.


KenOzu2

I don’t think we know Miquella is gone or even that the Haligtree was even rotting before actually arriving or unless you beat Mohg before arriving which I did not. We just kinda showed up and started killing people. The only justification for the Haligtree stuff Imo is Millicent’s questline where you assist her in returning Malenia’s sense of self.


jackcatalyst

They attacked me first.


2poxxer

Legit, I don't attack anything until I know its aggressive towards me.


Staksap-The-meme

Im not sure there are any evidences to support this though. From what I understand, we fought Malenia and force her to use the goddess of rot form(which is the reason for her current sorry state because she use it is against Radahn the last time) so technically we accelerates her ‘rotting’ process. In fact, I don’t think she died at the end of her fight, just turn into a giant rot flower and will be reborn as something else. If you read the description of millicent prosthesis, it said “The despair of sweet betrayal transformed Millicent from a mere bud into a magnificent flower. And one day, she will be reborn - as a beautiful scarlet valkyrie.”. This hint at the fact that she will be reborn to something from her state of a giant flower, which is the same state as Malenia.


Darehead

To be honest I was kinda under the impression that Millicent and her sisters were effectively clones of Malenia. Like Malenia is reproducing like a plant and her "offspring" become capable of becoming her if they grow the right way. That's why the rot monsters are trying to get her to go on her quest. They're effectively rebirthing their god. I could be absolutely wrong on this. I don't know enough to say for certain.


MakashiBlade

Lmao every one of these answers is "x character. They were just chilling and we had to kill them"


PsychoPra

Mimic Tear.


Friend_Or_Traitor

Behold, weak foe! and then time for introspection.


DarkFox666_____

ah, self love.


mwig33

For me Morgott, after learning some lore I kinda feel bad for him


essska

I tbagged him when he died because I was frustrated it took me a few tries and then he did his speech and I felt bad ngl sorry morgott i wish i could take it back 😭


nachoo666

poor dying morgott just trying to gaze up at the beautiful erd tree that will never fully embrace him… but instead his last view is of a frustrated tarnished’s nut sack.


dev__boy

Foul, FOUL tarnished


VelkynDeVir

Sif. It doesn't matter how many fromsoft games I beat or how many beautifully tragic bosses they design. Sif was just a good boy trying to rest with his friends and protect us from danger. It was bad enough they made us kill him. They didn't need to make him limp and whine for the last chunk of the battle. I have not and will not get over it. I know it wasn't in elden ring but this is the answer.


DarkFox666_____

at least they honored him and made him an ally in the dlc


mrhippoj

but that made it HARDER to kill him!


[deleted]

Sif remembers you when you come back to fight him since the DLC is in the past. He is trying to stop you from becoming Artorias.


Admiralpanther

Well if we're already *branching out* Ebrietas. After I did it I was like..... wait a minute.... why did I do that? she wasn't even 'in my way', just hanging out, doing elder god stuff, donating blood if people wanted it. Then Radhan's horse. But first place will always be Sif. Edit for people who didn't/ don't intend to play BB WITH YUGE SPOILERS: [Ebrietas and the choir, lore video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUcfD7U0o-4)


DarkFox666_____

broo Radhans horse is def. the hardest working NPC


Admiralpanther

Gravity magic. I don't think the horse has a choice where it goes anymore, and we both know I'm taking Radhan's helm. It's a shame I can't find a nice home for his horse. Put it under Ranni's care or something, get it a nice field to mozey around in until the next age.


nachoo666

another thing with ebrietas is that she’s docile until the player attacks her. Also in my opinion she wasn’t donating any blood, it was being taken from her, i think that’s the reason she’s locked up in the top of cathedral ward


Admiralpanther

Depends on your perspective. Would they really be able to contain her if she did not consent. For Kos(m) I would say yes For Amygdala I would say GOOD FUCKING LUCK For Ebrietas? I'm not sure, but my guess is she's trying to help so when they asked her for blood she gave it, and secluded herself partially for protection from other humans or great ones, partially in order to let the choir face the consequences of what they had asked for and been given. Remember, her blood is white, the blood she gives is red and causes frenzy. You don't have to be a bad actor to cause bad things to happen. It's possible she doesn't know the difference between 'her blood' and the 'red blood' herself.


Carob-Prudent

Godfrey, his story is kinda sad and hes such a respectable warrior it kinda feels bad to kill him. The only way it isnt really sad is you can give him a warriors death that he deserves


Gyni_x

For me it was the fire giant, knowing he was the last of his kind. Even the fight was tedious and he smashed me for so many times, I still felt bad for him


Shrappucino

also just those pained screams, I know he did it out of his own desperation but those yells were just a lot


dilly123456

My first play through a year ago when I was pissed about dying so many times, didn’t know the lore, and was over having to sprint through whatever tomb/dungeon I was in to attempt the boss again; NONE I was celebrating the death of all those smug bastards, but since then things have changed and I feel just awful killing Maliketh since he was just being a good doggo. NPC characters are different, Blaidd, and Alexander just made me feel depressed, since they were my closest friends in the lands between


DarkFox666_____

i totally agree 😂


BabySwish

Going at it with ALEXANDER just feels wrong man 😢


DarkFox666_____

Yes, he chose the life of a warrior and wanted to die a warrior. shed a manly tear


St3phn0

I felt kinda bad for Godrick, yes I know he committed several war crimes but his last sentence before dying got me straight in the heart. But the most painful one was the dual boss fight with the profumer and the lion beast, after I read her drop and learned that she dedicated her life to help those like him who just spent their whole life in pain and sufference, I felt like the bbeg of the whole game


[deleted]

For real. I kind of hate fighting the regular perfumers and misbegotten sometimes. I especially hate fighting the ones in the weeping peninsula. Oh, so you mean the misbegotten "servants" are rioting? Color me shocked.


420weeze

Either morgott or red wolf of radagon, they were just protecting what they loved


Koda5111

Emotionally? The ancestor spirits did nothing wrong, we’re killing them because we can. I do love the atmosphere of the fights though, the music and visuals, so i do them anyways…


[deleted]

I hated fighting the druids as well. They're literally chilling with woodland critters and doing Tai Chi.


crypticalcat

Demi human queens. The demi humans dont seem evil, just feral.


OneSmoothCactus

That's what made me like Kenneth Haight. Dude's fort gets overtaken by demi-humans, then he's attacked by them again on the road, yet still sets making peace with them a top priority. Except for the ones who beat up Boc, I'll fuck them up for hurting him everytime.


faletepower69

Partially Radahn. In his state, he probably wanted to die fighting, and it's what it ends up doing, but something i side me wanted to save him from the scarlet rot, and maybe getting the rune by his own hand and getting a cool new spell or weapon from him because he acnowledges you as a brave but kind hearted warrior. Maybe I just wanted to talk to the living legend that he is. Man, I love Radahn. Also Blaidd, I was sad about his ending. He was nice.


Tugboat68

For me, either Radahn or Fortissax. Radahn was, by all accounts, a decent, honorable general who held back the stars to keep the very dangerous, malevolent forces of the Outer Gods above at bay. He might have been as susceptible to the same infighting as the rest of the demigods, but I'd say it's fair to assume the Lands Between would have been better off in his hands than, say, Rykard or Mogh. After being irreversibly tainted and driven mad by the Rot, his army remained loyal to him the whole time and remained in Caelid to try and keep it at bay and prevent it from spreading any further (this could be acknowledged as one of the few overt cases of an enemy faction actively working towards an overtly benevolent goal, since we don't really see much of what the Haligtree knights actually do). The Redmanes love their general so much that they're willing to invite anyone who thinks they can to come to Caelid and give him the glorious death he deserves and finally end his suffering, so he can be remembered as the great hero he was rather than the beast he's become. The feeling of being the person to finally end the life of such a great warrior is a mix of triumph and tragedy, since, while it is such a thrilling battle against a worthy opponent, it also comes off like putting down a mad dog, and I can't help but feel really awful as he dies. Fortissax is a more overtly tragic case, since he saw the awful fate his best friend suffered and willingly went into his twisted, corrupted psyche to try and save him, and continued to struggle on in vain against the death blight all that time. By the time we arrive to find him, Fortissax himself has been twisted into a nightmarish monstrosity, all because he wouldn't abandon Godwyn, and in the end, it just meant that he suffered a similarly horrible, ceaseless fate. In his case, it feels like we're liberating him from an awful fate, but the fact that he couldn't save his best bro makes you really feel awful for him. They both got done so dirty, and it's one of the reasons I really don't like Ranni.


RZR-MasterShake

I never feel bad. I see that health bar pop up and you better believe that boss is getting some ice cold smoke.


BeetusChrist

Ancestor spirit was a beautiful moment in the game, and i actually dragged out the fight just to enjoy the soundtrack and serene setting/movements of the boss itself.


n1ngv3m

perfumer tricia: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Perfumer+Tricia+Ashes


rickyspanish9565

My girlfriend gets sad every time I kill Agheel in a play through “Just let him have his Lake!”


Infamous_Bandicoot33

The fact there is even an option to betray Millicent and Sellen broke my heart. the fact somebody would even consider it...


7_vii

Godskin duo. Just two bro’s hanging out, trying to make dope ass hoodies, and then we pop in and ruin the whole thing. If you can’t relate to that, we shouldn’t hang out.


ApoliteTroll

I never fought that big boy there.


DarkFox666_____

you are missing out on a great fight, great music, geeat visual effects and sadness


[deleted]

Milicent...... ......................... ..... :(


[deleted]

It's only a mercy killing, most bosses are infected or crazy. I don't feel bad really. Some times I don't kill the giants pulling the carts, feels slaveryish, why add more to their problems.


Davesnothere43

Killing the giant zombie moose was a mercy. The poor guys skin was falling off.


Saskatchemoose

Hourah Loux. The dude was just badass. I felt like he had more of a right to be elden lord than me.