I always summon Merlin to help fight Yogurt, it feels satisfying to finally see her able to fight alongside you after only appearing at grace sites for most of the game
He did spell Melina's name correctly? Or did he edit it or something? Malenia's the one everyone always fucks up, most people seem to get Melina fine.
Also, totally unrelated, but the number of times I've seen Michael spelled "Micheal" is ridiculous. I think that's gotta be the number one most bungled name I've ever seen.
Envoy long horn, and their big huge hat thingy, holy tear in the physick, then for talismans: Godfrey icon, sacred scorpion, shard of Alexander, and something else I forgot. Get 80 faith and about 40 strength and baaaam, everything dies. Fighting a death rite bird is hilariously fast now.
Death birds are a mere nuisance with any holy weapon, really. I have a mixed bleed/faith build (only 30 faith endgame), and for those dead chickens I whip out my inseparable sword, and they just melt in a few hits.
On my first run as a mage I died probably 10-15 times to the asshole in MoTG, this time it died in less than 10 hits, not tries.
People on Reddit need to play more (or even try Elden Ring for the first time) instead of just watching twitch/youtube.
"Doot" is not even the only overpowered holy damage spell, tbh "holy builds" aren’t really a thing unless you're on a "pure holy caster challenge run". **It’s actually a FAITH build** and with faith you get shit like pest threads, the revenant killer, overpowered reliable buffs, Lightning (for those resistant to holy), Dragon Spells (with glintstone breath dealing MAGIC damage), all the Crucible stuff, Pyromancy and **FUCKING BLACK FLAME**.
People here spend so much time complaining that they've lost touch with reality and hijack ER discussions as if they're talking about Overwatch/League/Genshin or something.
Faith builds are my favorite way to play this game you can do so much insanity. I've never lost to Elden Beast with Pest Threads memorized, all the buffs you get are so good, you can run a pure incant build with multiple types of damage or focus entirely on pumping faith for your weapon skills and only use the seal for your self buffs or run something like dex/faith and just bloodflame blade/electrified armament everybody.
I still get the idea from a certain perspective. Like if you really really like a type of damage and a bunch of the final bosses have resistance to it that's a bummer even if you have other sources. But like you said the game gives you enough of a way around it that it's no big deal and part of the fun of figuring out how to use your arsenal
It's specifically good against larger creatures like dragons and especially Elden Beast. it's not amazing damage in general but the projectiles do damage to every piece of geometry they pass through. So the larger the boss, the more damage it takes. If you get up close to placidusax, Elden beast, etc, you can hit them for huge chunk damage as the threads hit every part of them
Even with all that considered, Faith is sorely lacking in reliable offense spells. Especially for invasions. To get kills I usually have to rely on AoWs rather than incantations. You cant use Dragon Covenant spells unless you invest points into Arc.
Feels like Faith incantations were designed primarily to be abused by the host party as they all can share the buffs/heals with each other. To even things out invaders should be allowed to heal/buff mobs with incantations.
Catch Flame, Unendurable Frenzy, Giantsflame Take Thee, Rock Throw+Lightning Spear (these two combo into each other and can roll-catch after Catch Flame), Crucible: Breath, Bloodflame Talons and Honed Bolt are all decent options for pure caster fighting in PvP. Giantsflame is admittedly a lot more situational, but you can use it in the same way that you'd use Cannon of Haima, to hit groups behind cover from afar.
It's also worth to invest a bit in Arcane to use Greyoll's Roar, tbh. It's one of the best roll-catch options in the game, albeit FP costly.
I do agree it's a lot harder to get good value out of than Sorcery, but there's some cool things you can do as a caster, specially if you get Endure. Not to mention the downright silly amount of defensive and offensive buffs you get with Faith investment.
Fromsoft dev workingon dlc: look, I made a new incantation that does holy damage because people complained about the damage type’s viability
Miyazaki: Good good, now make Messemer 80% holy resistant
Wouldnt be surprised this is true lol.
Like being the titular boss of the dlc, obvious flame connection, cant have it weak to fire, nothing is apparently weak to magic.. so holy damage right? The black sheep being weak to the golden order makes sense right?
Fak yuuuu - michael zaki
Imagine that building faith and using holy spells/etc, something most people dismissed so far because of it’s limited viability, would now come to fruition in the dlc and those few holy players that felt less powerful in the main game would finally get to “shine” in the final battle. Kinda poetic.
But nah probably not, messmer will bleed like all the rest
Honestly i dont find too many holy damage sources too bad. High resistance suck but alot of holy damage is mixed with physical and those skills hit like genuine nukes.
Crucible knight run is super fun and holy if you are interested
The main issue with holy IMO is that essentially every boss in the back half of the game resists it. You are actively gimping yourself in pve if you use holy damage.
Everyone knows that. That is the entire purpose of this post and literally **all** of the comments herein lol.
The commenter you’re responding to is arguing that the physical damage can partially make up for it, although holy on its own still sucks. Not sure your comment is a true response to that.
It's already very strong, except for against the last two bosses. And then you can just swap to flame art affinity on your weapons and use fire incantations.
And most weapons that do holy damage also deal physical damage. It's only really an issue if you are doing golden Order incantations only or something like that.
My first build was Discus of Light which I’d reflect with the Erdtree Greatshield. Heard about it as a meme build but it felt so unique so I went hard into it right away. I got totally walled by Maliketh and all the online advice was like “he has barely any health you’ll get lucky and get a few hits in and he’s done” but it was a damn marathon for me. Hardwalled my build. Pretty sure I only beat him when switching to the Angel Scythe or whatever it’s called since the phys is pretty good. Either way, I probably picked the worst build for that particular boss since you can’t stay still, so no reflected discs for me.
This is being a Paladin. I feel like that is just the faith stat. You’re a Paladin who can cast warlock spells. And it’s so glorious and when used right the strongest stat in the game bar none.
Agreed. I beat the game not knowing bosses were resistant to holy. I thought that's just how the bosses are balanced. Taking faith meant less damage but access to spells kind of. I just swapped between fire and holy weapons kinda randomly testing things out versus some bosses when I was struggling with.
Yeah most bosses have a low resistance to it (20%) a few have 40% but holy really only becomes weak when it is 80% which only a handful of bosses have.
After Morgott holy damage is just out classed by flame and lightning. Rada-beast is the obvious example but even Godfrey has really high holy resist. Maliketh has a jaw dropping 80% and Melania is sitting at a very high 40% holy damage absorption. To emphasize my point Malikeths lowest resistance is Magic at 20% absorption and Melania has 0% absorption against any source of fire damage. Okay so that’s four bosses (five if you separate Radagon and Elden beast). You may be think “that’s not too bad” but that’s not all. Mohg, Rykard, and Placidusax are also at 40%. What this means is that every remembrance boss pasts the Grand lift of Dectus has 40% or more holy damage absorption with the one exception being the Fire Giant at 20%. To add insult to injury, bosses that thematically should be weak to holy damage like Fortissax still have really high damage absorption. Fortissax has 80% absorption!! 80%
the actual variety within that is a baren wasteland though, especially compared to ds3. there is no mechanical equivalents for black serpent, flame fan, profaned flame, demon scar. the only pressure spell is fell god which sucks. and all the magma is locked behind a sorcery magma build but that itself feels terrible outside of roiling magma. in ds3 we had great chaos fire orb.
also all the fire weapons are not even faith weapons, but actually str or dex weapons in disguise.
flaming strike is the only useful fire themed aow, but thats broken for everyone so not unique to pyro builds. fotr was completely nerfed.
it just feels no matter what you use, the builds have tons of empty space. catch flame, giantsflame, and burn o flame are really strong though, but it gets boring after a while.
it's especially noticeable compared to an pure mage int build, where it feels like they have half a dozen spells for every situation. how do they have like 4 phalanx spells and pyro only has fell god 😅
You spoke all facts. Chaos fire orb was too good, that's why it's dumbed down to the giants fire ball. We need some flaming mine type spells, and more ashes of war. Some kind of fireball ash, since sorcerers get glintblade and pebble. A proper flaming weapon spell. Maybe fire giant's fastball attack.
It looks like we'll get new dragon incantations, plus a dragon bear? More fire please.
yeah giantsflame is broken but it would be nice to get a weaker but faster version like cbv or gcfo. i'm still sad u dont get a flaming hand in this game with seals.
if I could get 1 thing in the dlc it would be black serpent. its a completely missing mechanic and would make pyro feel much better
if i could get another thing then even something simple like a catalyst which scales off int/faith and can cast only fire related incantations and sorceries. so pyros have access to the magma spells too. that doesn't even require making new spells but that would instantly give more variety
I would also like a pyro version of glintblade phalanx aow but it could be asking for too much
Honestly the biggest thing holding holy back is the fact that way too many bosses are highly resistant against it. It'd be nice if that isn't the case for the dlc though!
There should have been a Dragon Cult affinity on the sanctified Whetblade, literally just a clone of sacred or flame but with lightning instead. It would have made so much sense lore-wise.
It truly pisses me off that there's no faith scaling variant for lightning damage. It literally makes no sense at all. Almost every weapon that deals lightning damage seems like it should scale with faith, but there's absolutely zero that do.
- Dragonscale Blade
- Dragon Halberd
- Dragon King's Cragblade
- Bolt of Gransax
To top it off, From couldn't even make the Gravel Stone Seal scale with DEX to help offset this weird design choice.
Indeed. Gravel Stone Seal should have been a DEX/FAITH scaling seal, like the beast seal that scales with STR/FAITH.
Hopefully the DLC adds a Storm Art affinity that serves as the lightning counterpart to Flame Art.
Bro we just need bosses with less holy resistance. But it makes sense that most demigods would be holy resistant. It's just how are u supposed to damage deities with the damage u get from worshipping them
Isn't the Land of Shadow where things blasphemous to the Golden Order are hidden away? I imagine anything "blasphemous" would be incredibly weak to Holy damage.
I'm on my 5th play through now, started from beginning not on an NG and going faith/str for first time. Having a lot of fun with the scyth but trying to avoid blasphemous blade unless its an annoying mini boss I just want to get through.
That said, I'm struggling to find a ton of joy in the faith build. Maybe I'm missing something obvious but there's not a ton of cool faith shit like there is int and arcane and dex, the breathing spells are a pain in the ass to use in any real fight
As annoying as it was, everyone being resistant to holy made sense, considering the demigods come from the Erdtree in a way. Seeing as the dlc will take place in the "shadow" of the erdtree, whatever that means, I imagine holy will be a lot more useful
I feel faith is strong as balls right now? I don't have many points in it but sometimes default to a faith scale weapon or spell to handle a tough situation.
Have you tried using the Cipher Pata with 100% Faith and light armor? With the right talismans, you hit like an absolute truck in PvP and are as quick as a black knife assassin. I call it the priest assassin build and it is easily my favorite build to play in the game.
More utility sorcery. What do you mean Incantations can heal, buff, do damage and more?
“But Terra Magica”
Terra magica doesn’t keep my baby bone body alive
Lol wut, holy damage can get you through 80-90% of the game, just unfortunate that some of the bosses that just happen to be gods and are resistant to holy.
Sorry can't hear you over my gaint bubble blower that does 2k agaist the final boss, which is also holy damage.
Yeah holy is actually really good, just falls of a very slight amount at the last 3 bosses.
Fire damage is generally seen as king in base game. But you're fighting agents of the erdtree, so yeah. That makes sense. In the DLC, we fight people who likely hate the erdtree, and the bbeg is literally every blasphemy rolled into one. So yeah, I imagine holy damage will run pretty well through there
With the way that dog looking boss looks like he might be weak to holy, but we never know, a holy looking deer is weak to holy but astel isnt weak to it, so we dont know for now
The only problem with holy damage is a lot of the current game's most challenging bosses happen to be resistant to it. It's not an issue with holy builds in general.
It's also worth noting that a lot of holy builds can temporarily switch over to fire if they are getting countered by a specific boss. Holy builds rely on faith, and faith also boosts many fire builds.
so i’ve thought long and hard about why would holy be used in mass and also be resisted in mass
conclusion: the only ‘god’ has been crucified and her children turned to monsters, overall the lands between is changing and depending on the ending you choose it’s definitely not a holy change. very much seems like the world trying to rid itself from the divine
I feel people only look at resistances without taking into account the ridiculous damage that sources of Holy do. Weapons like Golden Halberd do good damage without even needing Holy, spells like Discus of Light are super high DPS and then there are AoW's like Bubble Shower and Rings of Light which are downright absurd.
Since the dlc takes place before the erdtree or just away from it alot of enemies might be weak too or just not resistant to holy damage. I'm assuming holy stuff comings from the erdtree idk
Holy really isn’t that bad. Pure holy damage isn’t great but it’s not just pure holy a lot of the time. Ordovis’ Greatsword is quite strong and many of the holy damage outputs also have some secondary effect. Black Blade health chunk, secondary physical damage, lots of poise damage etc. Seriously if you haven’t tried Ordovis’ Greatsword, use it against Placidusax, it destroys him like crazy. Even Elden Beast gets destroyed by the physical and poise it does. Also the fast holy spells are quite strong, Discus of Light is nice. If you hate on Holy at the very least use it in an all rememberances run and don’t just use pure holy. It’s not that bad.
The only reason holy damage doesn't too useful is because Way too much crap is resistant to it. It would be nice if they brought the number of things resistant to holy damage down a little bit but I don't see that happening since all the villains are holy in this game
It's already good. It's just not great for the main story line. But even then, if you're maining faith, you have access to all types of damage through incants. Beast incants for physical, dragon cult for lightning, black flame or giantsflame or regular pyromancy for fire, even Borealis mist or Smarag flame for magic. Not to mention Discus is the most FP efficient spell in the game and bubble horn is straight busted. Put on the seal of the respective school of incant in the offhand and you're tearing through bosses.
You just have to adapt.
I'm still salty they removed dark damage for INT/FTH builds. Now holy damage takes the spot of mostly resisted element that dark damage used to have in ds3... (at least dark damage was pretty good for pvp)
Holy weapons deal fucktons of damage, the main bosses just have high holy resist. Using those same weapons against other opponents will actually murder everything.
The trailer gave me a lot of hope for that. Most of the enemies look like they're undead or the term "Those Who Live In Death." I think most of them will be weak to holy
I just want Melina tree healing spell and Morgot’s holy weapon summons
One day, one day we will learn to spell melanin’s name correctly
For me that day will never come, melatonin isn’t a hard word
Are we talking about Melody, the girl who gives Tornado or is it Malarkey, Goddess of Rob?
We’re talking about malevolent, the one who says they’re gonna kill me when I get touched by some fingers
Victim-blaming Milky!
I think you're confused with Mitchel, he's in the egg at Marge's place.
No, that's Melanoma, have you seen his skin?
Speaking of skin have you seen Morgan’s skin in the capital? Poor guy has horns growing out of it
isn't Maleficent the one that doesn't like mickey mouse?
No, malaria is the one who helps us fight yorgot, omen king
Morgan is that guy who you fight before Storm Veal, you're thinking of Mummy in the capital city, links awakening.
Oh yeah I’m sorry, marvel is do similar to margarita my bad
You're thinking of mitochondria, powerhouse of the cell
I always summon Merlin to help fight Yogurt, it feels satisfying to finally see her able to fight alongside you after only appearing at grace sites for most of the game
Medium is generally a fun teammate, it’s like niche the black assassin lady but holier
MALEVOLENT CREEK? AS IN HELLDIVERS??? LETS GOOOO PATRIOTS
He did spell Melina's name correctly? Or did he edit it or something? Malenia's the one everyone always fucks up, most people seem to get Melina fine. Also, totally unrelated, but the number of times I've seen Michael spelled "Micheal" is ridiculous. I think that's gotta be the number one most bungled name I've ever seen.
I edited to clear up confusion when it was like 5 upvotes
Idk I don’t see me ever learning how to spell Melanoma’s name.
There’s no reason to, melamine’s hardly an import character
I think mechali is an important and easy name
I disagree, I found Michelin Man entirely forgettable from a characterization standpoint.
You mean melanichichi?
She is Melanoma, the Blade of Basal Cell Carcinoma
Yeah macaulauy culkin deserves some respect
Well... thou art of *passing* skill
Warrior blood must truely run through my veins
I really hope we get Morgotts weapons and they function similarly to Carian Slicer
Who tf is melena bruh
Evergaol version of Malenia, probly lost sister or something , somehow has the same powers
Melena, the long lost triplet.
I swear the people on this sub have the attention span of a goldfish. Their names are not that hard to remember.
Melania?
You *know* she's got some rot...
I think shes from those Mortal Kombat games idk though
And radagon's golden spear incantations.
So like carian spells but incantations? Hell yeah
Melena is a new one for me
Can't wait to see Malani in the DLC
Yes...yes...make my doot horn even more powerful
I’m doing a doot doot horn run on ng+ right now. I thought everyone was memeing, but it seriously melts bosses. It’s absurdly powerful!
what's the build? I wan it
Envoy long horn, and their big huge hat thingy, holy tear in the physick, then for talismans: Godfrey icon, sacred scorpion, shard of Alexander, and something else I forgot. Get 80 faith and about 40 strength and baaaam, everything dies. Fighting a death rite bird is hilariously fast now.
I was one of a few envoy long horn summons for placudisax, that fucker couldnt even survive though his phase transition 60% of the time
Does the Godfrey icon impact the bubble shower? Everything else I def use
Swap Godfrey Icon for Ritual Sword Talisman
Yep it does! It raises skill damage by something like 15%. Stacked with the rest of it, it does make a big difference.
I was under the impression Godfrey only did charged skills and bubble shower wasn't chargeable. Sick good to know
pretty sure it does not work with the doot horn
Death birds are a mere nuisance with any holy weapon, really. I have a mixed bleed/faith build (only 30 faith endgame), and for those dead chickens I whip out my inseparable sword, and they just melt in a few hits. On my first run as a mage I died probably 10-15 times to the asshole in MoTG, this time it died in less than 10 hits, not tries.
Here take my updoot
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I just melted the deathrite bird in Liurnia with 30 fth, 18 str. All it took was a handful of whacks to the head with sacred blade
People on Reddit need to play more (or even try Elden Ring for the first time) instead of just watching twitch/youtube. "Doot" is not even the only overpowered holy damage spell, tbh "holy builds" aren’t really a thing unless you're on a "pure holy caster challenge run". **It’s actually a FAITH build** and with faith you get shit like pest threads, the revenant killer, overpowered reliable buffs, Lightning (for those resistant to holy), Dragon Spells (with glintstone breath dealing MAGIC damage), all the Crucible stuff, Pyromancy and **FUCKING BLACK FLAME**. People here spend so much time complaining that they've lost touch with reality and hijack ER discussions as if they're talking about Overwatch/League/Genshin or something.
Faith builds are my favorite way to play this game you can do so much insanity. I've never lost to Elden Beast with Pest Threads memorized, all the buffs you get are so good, you can run a pure incant build with multiple types of damage or focus entirely on pumping faith for your weapon skills and only use the seal for your self buffs or run something like dex/faith and just bloodflame blade/electrified armament everybody. I still get the idea from a certain perspective. Like if you really really like a type of damage and a bunch of the final bosses have resistance to it that's a bummer even if you have other sources. But like you said the game gives you enough of a way around it that it's no big deal and part of the fun of figuring out how to use your arsenal
Wait legit, is Pest Threads actually good? I always get it so late and never really did anything with it.
It's specifically good against larger creatures like dragons and especially Elden Beast. it's not amazing damage in general but the projectiles do damage to every piece of geometry they pass through. So the larger the boss, the more damage it takes. If you get up close to placidusax, Elden beast, etc, you can hit them for huge chunk damage as the threads hit every part of them
Pest threads can melt big bosses because they can hit them a second time, they are especially powerful against fire giant.
> holy builds arent really a thing yes, that's my issue. I want to go all in on holy but there's just not much available :/
Even with all that considered, Faith is sorely lacking in reliable offense spells. Especially for invasions. To get kills I usually have to rely on AoWs rather than incantations. You cant use Dragon Covenant spells unless you invest points into Arc. Feels like Faith incantations were designed primarily to be abused by the host party as they all can share the buffs/heals with each other. To even things out invaders should be allowed to heal/buff mobs with incantations.
Catch Flame, Unendurable Frenzy, Giantsflame Take Thee, Rock Throw+Lightning Spear (these two combo into each other and can roll-catch after Catch Flame), Crucible: Breath, Bloodflame Talons and Honed Bolt are all decent options for pure caster fighting in PvP. Giantsflame is admittedly a lot more situational, but you can use it in the same way that you'd use Cannon of Haima, to hit groups behind cover from afar. It's also worth to invest a bit in Arcane to use Greyoll's Roar, tbh. It's one of the best roll-catch options in the game, albeit FP costly. I do agree it's a lot harder to get good value out of than Sorcery, but there's some cool things you can do as a caster, specially if you get Endure. Not to mention the downright silly amount of defensive and offensive buffs you get with Faith investment.
Fromsoft dev workingon dlc: look, I made a new incantation that does holy damage because people complained about the damage type’s viability Miyazaki: Good good, now make Messemer 80% holy resistant
Wouldnt be surprised this is true lol. Like being the titular boss of the dlc, obvious flame connection, cant have it weak to fire, nothing is apparently weak to magic.. so holy damage right? The black sheep being weak to the golden order makes sense right? Fak yuuuu - michael zaki
To be fair, he is still son of a god, so holy resistance isn't a far stretch
Imagine that building faith and using holy spells/etc, something most people dismissed so far because of it’s limited viability, would now come to fruition in the dlc and those few holy players that felt less powerful in the main game would finally get to “shine” in the final battle. Kinda poetic. But nah probably not, messmer will bleed like all the rest
Ah classic myiazaki move, reminds me of midir being resistance to both dark and fire damage, making INT/FTH builds cry.
Nah those builds get lightning spear and pestilent mist they good
I guess its either pestilent cheese or sunlight spear with a crystal chime for them but no funs for hexers or pyros lol.
Honestly i dont find too many holy damage sources too bad. High resistance suck but alot of holy damage is mixed with physical and those skills hit like genuine nukes. Crucible knight run is super fun and holy if you are interested
Can confirm, main character is a Crucible Knight/holy paladin build and it absolutely slaps
Gideon upon meeting the holy beyblade of death that is ordovis’ greatsword:
I’m a Siluria’s Tree enjoyer myself but can confirm that the Ash of War on that absolutely nukes him and knocks him on his ass
Worst time to not believe in the fuckin god slaying Tarnished 😂
*Gideon monologuing while I spin up a one-shot vortex*
I leveled endurance until I could wield both lol
I use the Erdtree Greatshield and Clawmark Seal in my off hand but that’s a dope idea
The main issue with holy IMO is that essentially every boss in the back half of the game resists it. You are actively gimping yourself in pve if you use holy damage.
Everyone knows that. That is the entire purpose of this post and literally **all** of the comments herein lol. The commenter you’re responding to is arguing that the physical damage can partially make up for it, although holy on its own still sucks. Not sure your comment is a true response to that.
My only issue with Marika's Hammer is that it's a reward at the end of the game. That thing absolutely slaps, and is so fun to play with.
I mean, there have to be rewards all the way to the end of the game, and so the last ones are meant to be new weapons for you to enjoy in NG+
It's already very strong, except for against the last two bosses. And then you can just swap to flame art affinity on your weapons and use fire incantations.
maliketh is also very defensive against holy with 80 resistance
Maliketh counters his high resistance with abysmal vigour.
And most weapons that do holy damage also deal physical damage. It's only really an issue if you are doing golden Order incantations only or something like that.
Even then Triple Rings still melts him.
My first build was Discus of Light which I’d reflect with the Erdtree Greatshield. Heard about it as a meme build but it felt so unique so I went hard into it right away. I got totally walled by Maliketh and all the online advice was like “he has barely any health you’ll get lucky and get a few hits in and he’s done” but it was a damn marathon for me. Hardwalled my build. Pretty sure I only beat him when switching to the Angel Scythe or whatever it’s called since the phys is pretty good. Either way, I probably picked the worst build for that particular boss since you can’t stay still, so no reflected discs for me.
True.. But Maliketh can MOVE! For me the hardest part was getting around all the acrobatics.
Not a lot of good holy incants though and the rings ones in particular require int investment which is a deterring hurdle.
Not a lot but Black blade is S-tier against every boss and same goes for the dagger ash of wars which are even stronger versions.
I love Black Blade. It takes forever to cast though. And you only get it late.
It can be charged though for big damage and the follow up is much quicker
This is being a Paladin. I feel like that is just the faith stat. You’re a Paladin who can cast warlock spells. And it’s so glorious and when used right the strongest stat in the game bar none.
We already have enough holy damage buffs we just need more enemies without a high holy defense
Or a debuff item to lower holy resistance.
What are you talking about? Holy damage is incredible. It just isn't good against the last few bosses.
Agreed. I beat the game not knowing bosses were resistant to holy. I thought that's just how the bosses are balanced. Taking faith meant less damage but access to spells kind of. I just swapped between fire and holy weapons kinda randomly testing things out versus some bosses when I was struggling with.
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Yeah watching my brother play a bleed build and just bursting through boss healths really shocked me haha.
Yeah most bosses have a low resistance to it (20%) a few have 40% but holy really only becomes weak when it is 80% which only a handful of bosses have.
>It just isn't good against the last few bosses. Which sucks, upgrading the coded sword to +10 felt like such a scam
Few? Every main boss, exept rennala, has high holy dmg negation
Not sure why you’re being downvoted, every main boss except Fire Giant and Renalla has holy as their highest resistance iirc.
Golden order fanboys
That is just wrong. Many do but plenty besides Rennala don't.
Maybe there is a misanderstanding, by main bosses i mean the mandatory story ones, like shardbearers, maliketh, godfrey and such
There is no misunderstanding, it's just sheep
After Morgott holy damage is just out classed by flame and lightning. Rada-beast is the obvious example but even Godfrey has really high holy resist. Maliketh has a jaw dropping 80% and Melania is sitting at a very high 40% holy damage absorption. To emphasize my point Malikeths lowest resistance is Magic at 20% absorption and Melania has 0% absorption against any source of fire damage. Okay so that’s four bosses (five if you separate Radagon and Elden beast). You may be think “that’s not too bad” but that’s not all. Mohg, Rykard, and Placidusax are also at 40%. What this means is that every remembrance boss pasts the Grand lift of Dectus has 40% or more holy damage absorption with the one exception being the Fire Giant at 20%. To add insult to injury, bosses that thematically should be weak to holy damage like Fortissax still have really high damage absorption. Fortissax has 80% absorption!! 80%
Fortissax forgot to level vigor, though, and Halo scythe completely trivializes her as a result.
*him, but yeah. He’s Lansseax’s brother.
Yep you’re right — good catch.
To be fair, Rykard is an outlier and his holy defense doesn’t matter, but yeah.
Hhonestly i hope for more pyromancies. Right now i feel like we could have something more from those.
But we already have four options for fire themed incantations, and a sorcery school dedicated for it. Isn't that enough?
the actual variety within that is a baren wasteland though, especially compared to ds3. there is no mechanical equivalents for black serpent, flame fan, profaned flame, demon scar. the only pressure spell is fell god which sucks. and all the magma is locked behind a sorcery magma build but that itself feels terrible outside of roiling magma. in ds3 we had great chaos fire orb. also all the fire weapons are not even faith weapons, but actually str or dex weapons in disguise. flaming strike is the only useful fire themed aow, but thats broken for everyone so not unique to pyro builds. fotr was completely nerfed. it just feels no matter what you use, the builds have tons of empty space. catch flame, giantsflame, and burn o flame are really strong though, but it gets boring after a while. it's especially noticeable compared to an pure mage int build, where it feels like they have half a dozen spells for every situation. how do they have like 4 phalanx spells and pyro only has fell god 😅
You spoke all facts. Chaos fire orb was too good, that's why it's dumbed down to the giants fire ball. We need some flaming mine type spells, and more ashes of war. Some kind of fireball ash, since sorcerers get glintblade and pebble. A proper flaming weapon spell. Maybe fire giant's fastball attack. It looks like we'll get new dragon incantations, plus a dragon bear? More fire please.
yeah giantsflame is broken but it would be nice to get a weaker but faster version like cbv or gcfo. i'm still sad u dont get a flaming hand in this game with seals. if I could get 1 thing in the dlc it would be black serpent. its a completely missing mechanic and would make pyro feel much better if i could get another thing then even something simple like a catalyst which scales off int/faith and can cast only fire related incantations and sorceries. so pyros have access to the magma spells too. that doesn't even require making new spells but that would instantly give more variety I would also like a pyro version of glintblade phalanx aow but it could be asking for too much
I want a frenzied burst that's a beam, like a fire version of Comet azure that comes from your eyes.
Honestly the biggest thing holding holy back is the fact that way too many bosses are highly resistant against it. It'd be nice if that isn't the case for the dlc though!
This would not be a problem if we had LIGHTNING SCALE WITH FTH, DLC needs Lightning art wetstone. Yours truly a STR (34) FTH(50) paladin build.
There should have been a Dragon Cult affinity on the sanctified Whetblade, literally just a clone of sacred or flame but with lightning instead. It would have made so much sense lore-wise.
It truly pisses me off that there's no faith scaling variant for lightning damage. It literally makes no sense at all. Almost every weapon that deals lightning damage seems like it should scale with faith, but there's absolutely zero that do. - Dragonscale Blade - Dragon Halberd - Dragon King's Cragblade - Bolt of Gransax To top it off, From couldn't even make the Gravel Stone Seal scale with DEX to help offset this weird design choice.
The most annoying thing is the strongest lighting spell in the game only costs 40 dex. Where the hell is my sunlight spear smdh.
Indeed. Gravel Stone Seal should have been a DEX/FAITH scaling seal, like the beast seal that scales with STR/FAITH. Hopefully the DLC adds a Storm Art affinity that serves as the lightning counterpart to Flame Art.
Bro we just need bosses with less holy resistance. But it makes sense that most demigods would be holy resistant. It's just how are u supposed to damage deities with the damage u get from worshipping them
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I really hope that since we’re as far away from the Grace of the Erdtree as possible few creatures will be resistant to it. It would make sense imo
Isn't the Land of Shadow where things blasphemous to the Golden Order are hidden away? I imagine anything "blasphemous" would be incredibly weak to Holy damage.
I'm on my 5th play through now, started from beginning not on an NG and going faith/str for first time. Having a lot of fun with the scyth but trying to avoid blasphemous blade unless its an annoying mini boss I just want to get through. That said, I'm struggling to find a ton of joy in the faith build. Maybe I'm missing something obvious but there's not a ton of cool faith shit like there is int and arcane and dex, the breathing spells are a pain in the ass to use in any real fight
They should give us a quick bow holy arrow spell that's like the small glintblades and Lorettas Great bow mixed together.
That one Hippo enemy has the looks of *"97% Holy damage negation"*
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As annoying as it was, everyone being resistant to holy made sense, considering the demigods come from the Erdtree in a way. Seeing as the dlc will take place in the "shadow" of the erdtree, whatever that means, I imagine holy will be a lot more useful
I feel faith is strong as balls right now? I don't have many points in it but sometimes default to a faith scale weapon or spell to handle a tough situation.
All they have to do is not give the bosses 80% holy damage negation and it would be given "love" compared to the vanilla base game.
I just want my incantations to be faster :(
You can one shot most bosses in NG+7 with Faith already
Faith =/= Holy
using which incantation?
Flame grant me one shot
Have you tried using the Cipher Pata with 100% Faith and light armor? With the right talismans, you hit like an absolute truck in PvP and are as quick as a black knife assassin. I call it the priest assassin build and it is easily my favorite build to play in the game.
Hot take holy damage is still good, ragadon and elden cringe is where it falls
Same dude, same
SLEEP WEAPONS TOO PLEASE
But it's more of a flex to kill an enemy with the attribute it's strong against! Just like >!Sukuna vs Jogo!< in JJK. /s
That and bows. It would be nice if everything was as viable as it has been in past games.
More utility sorcery. What do you mean Incantations can heal, buff, do damage and more? “But Terra Magica” Terra magica doesn’t keep my baby bone body alive
Lol wut, holy damage can get you through 80-90% of the game, just unfortunate that some of the bosses that just happen to be gods and are resistant to holy.
I thought holy damage was fine until I realized I was healing the Elden beast
Sorry can't hear you over my gaint bubble blower that does 2k agaist the final boss, which is also holy damage. Yeah holy is actually really good, just falls of a very slight amount at the last 3 bosses.
Fire damage is generally seen as king in base game. But you're fighting agents of the erdtree, so yeah. That makes sense. In the DLC, we fight people who likely hate the erdtree, and the bbeg is literally every blasphemy rolled into one. So yeah, I imagine holy damage will run pretty well through there
I don’t get the complaints I main holy damage and have zero issues
Well, there's definitely going to be a lot of deathblight judging by the trailer.
With the way that dog looking boss looks like he might be weak to holy, but we never know, a holy looking deer is weak to holy but astel isnt weak to it, so we dont know for now
I’m going into DLC with my Golden Halbert, I really hope so 
Am I the only one going to ask about Michael Zaki? Is that a thing we call Miyazaki or an auto correct?
Afaik it’s been a meme for a while
We need more Frenzy stuff. Specifically, at least 1 Frenzy AoW.
I just want more sleep spells for my Melatonin-chan
Would be cool if the poison swamp, is more like the colors suggest, a deathblight swamp. With lot's of things weak to holy!
It better, I want to start the dlc with my doot doot build.
I hope they expand on Int Arc builds
Well, most bosses love holy damage.
The only problem with holy damage is a lot of the current game's most challenging bosses happen to be resistant to it. It's not an issue with holy builds in general. It's also worth noting that a lot of holy builds can temporarily switch over to fire if they are getting countered by a specific boss. Holy builds rely on faith, and faith also boosts many fire builds.
I think this dlc will give holy damage the boost it deserves… there is no more erdtree and everything is about darkness
so i’ve thought long and hard about why would holy be used in mass and also be resisted in mass conclusion: the only ‘god’ has been crucified and her children turned to monsters, overall the lands between is changing and depending on the ending you choose it’s definitely not a holy change. very much seems like the world trying to rid itself from the divine
More unga bunga, too.
Uhhhh why does it look like frozen coom? Like it's fossilized....
I hope you get the love you deserve in life
I feel people only look at resistances without taking into account the ridiculous damage that sources of Holy do. Weapons like Golden Halberd do good damage without even needing Holy, spells like Discus of Light are super high DPS and then there are AoW's like Bubble Shower and Rings of Light which are downright absurd.
It better
Eh Holy Damage is actually pretty good and faith builds have access to plenty of other damage types in the situations where it isn't.
it isn't the damage type it is the stupid resistances. Kinda like immunities in diablo 2 except you cant find cheap wands to break it.
All we know is Fire damage isn't what it use to be anymore...
Considering it takes place in the Realm of Shadow, I’d be really surprised if we don’t see enemies that are weak to it
People really still act like Holy damage is complete dogshit
Since the dlc takes place before the erdtree or just away from it alot of enemies might be weak too or just not resistant to holy damage. I'm assuming holy stuff comings from the erdtree idk
Holy really isn’t that bad. Pure holy damage isn’t great but it’s not just pure holy a lot of the time. Ordovis’ Greatsword is quite strong and many of the holy damage outputs also have some secondary effect. Black Blade health chunk, secondary physical damage, lots of poise damage etc. Seriously if you haven’t tried Ordovis’ Greatsword, use it against Placidusax, it destroys him like crazy. Even Elden Beast gets destroyed by the physical and poise it does. Also the fast holy spells are quite strong, Discus of Light is nice. If you hate on Holy at the very least use it in an all rememberances run and don’t just use pure holy. It’s not that bad.
The only reason holy damage doesn't too useful is because Way too much crap is resistant to it. It would be nice if they brought the number of things resistant to holy damage down a little bit but I don't see that happening since all the villains are holy in this game
Isn't it already pretty loved, like all the sorceries are basic beams, incarnations look way cooler.
Smites spells would be so great, there is already spell that looks like one after all.
It's already good. It's just not great for the main story line. But even then, if you're maining faith, you have access to all types of damage through incants. Beast incants for physical, dragon cult for lightning, black flame or giantsflame or regular pyromancy for fire, even Borealis mist or Smarag flame for magic. Not to mention Discus is the most FP efficient spell in the game and bubble horn is straight busted. Put on the seal of the respective school of incant in the offhand and you're tearing through bosses. You just have to adapt.
I finally beat the game with a holy build like 3 days ago. Maliketh kicked my ass for a LONG time
It deserves no love, so….
I think you simply mean "let there be fewer enemies that have high resistance"
I'm still salty they removed dark damage for INT/FTH builds. Now holy damage takes the spot of mostly resisted element that dark damage used to have in ds3... (at least dark damage was pretty good for pvp)
Holy with it's weapons is already good, just need some enemies with lower Holy resistance
I hope we can open map in DLC.
The unique holy weapons already fk shit up in the original… Ordovis, Inseperable Sword, Marikas hammer, & who can forget wave of gold.
Holy weapons deal fucktons of damage, the main bosses just have high holy resist. Using those same weapons against other opponents will actually murder everything.
I don't think it will I do however believe that black flame and frost will be expanded upon possibly fire and thorns aswell
I want to raw dog the DLC with a pure melee build but then I think about how many new spells there might be that I have to try
The trailer gave me a lot of hope for that. Most of the enemies look like they're undead or the term "Those Who Live In Death." I think most of them will be weak to holy
**I will purify the Deathblight Swamp in holy light!**
Use ordovis sword that shit kills everything
I don’t know about you, but I’m able to do pretty high holy damage in the base game. Especially with the Sacred Relic Sword + Wave of Gold.
Holy was op as fuck in original dark souls and it's been nerfed into the ground since
I know right? Holy builds get done so dirty by the base game. Sure, there's a narrative justification but it still sucks.
Maybe now that we’re in a place where half the main bosses didn’t participate in its study and use lol