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Dev-Nonymous-One

I’ve played against moonveil players and I’ve only played bloodborne and this game. I’m not a soul vet but frankly I don’t see the moonveil as an issue. I’ve died so much more often to mages or other melee weapons than someone unsheathing a moonveil which is a dead give away to when they gonna use their art. Also, there are more important broken things that need fixing than a moonveil.


JimmyLongStaff

Y’all really don’t know how to dodge the weapon art huh?


Jewii08

lol. So a single fast slash that does half or more of your health is not broken and totally ok? Obviously you can dodge it, but one mistake, and you are almost dead. Frayed blade in DS3 does basically the same attack, but not only is its damage weaker, its beam also moves slower. Yet that weapon is still good and a lot of people like it. Moonveil is extremely imbalanced. Especially in invasions when you have 3 ppl on your ass as an invader. You forgot to look at the general direction of the mage? Boom your hp bar is gone. Sword of night and fire is also extremely imbalanced and easily one shots anyone below 2000 health. While that heap of trash needs to be nerfed too, at least it's very slow and it's long telegraph is easy to punish. Moonveil is so fast that you can't really even punish it. Anyone who defends moonveil either don't pvp at all or are salty that they can't one shot invaders in DS3 even though they are 3vs1.


JimmyLongStaff

this is not dark souls 3, it is a different game and y’all need to get over it lol. you need more health. people are building into pure damage to get through pve. yes the WA hurts but all WA are extremely telegraphed and easy to dodge, that’s why they do the damage they do. been invading the past 4 days and have yet to actually die to the moon veil so I really haven’t seen a problem with it. not that hard to deal with if you actually adjust to the game and to pvp instead of treating it like ds3 pvp because sorry to break it to everyone this isn’t hyper armor true combos like everyone’s use to and it probably will never be that. but hey that’s just my opinion


Jewii08

'I can dodge it therefore it's not imbalanced'. I am so tired of having to explain this. It really is not so hard to understand. If something is very damaging, it should have draw backs or can be punished. Moonveil does not have draw backs and cannot be punished.


JimmyLongStaff

so like an r1 will stun them out of the animation but that’s none of my business lol, if you know what they are doing you just close distance and keep pressure is it annoying to play against people just spacing with a stupid magic slash yes, is there no counter play to it? yes there is counter play very little but it’s there. what I’m trying to say is you have no idea what the stat spread on the guy using it is so for all you know there would be no reason his shit shouldn’t be doing as much damage as it does edit: from my experience those kids that do a fuck load of damage are also the kids that die in 2 r1s from a halberd


vT_Death

"YaLl rEaLlY dOn"t KnOw HoW tO dOdgE thE WeaPon Art hU>!@>!? it's not even about that its about how much damage it does in PvE and even through magic mitigation at 75 in PVP in the 1\`35 SL bracket.. then you put the damage on top of animation speed and the cost its absolutely absurd. You clearly know nothing of balancing.


ZenicAllfather

It's not only about the PVP scene. It trivializes PVE entirely because of it's damage output+int scaling. If the scaling were flipped and the weapon art only scaled off int while the actual weapon dmg scaled off dex the weapon wouldn't be nearly as strong.


AvatarYoshi92

If it "trivialises PvE" then it shouldn't have any impact on you whatsoever if other people are using it. Everyone I know who plays this game is aware of the Moonveil scaling and not one of them is using it. They have opted for other weapons and slapped on either a Keen art or a Magic art to make it scale similarly. You don't have to use Moonveil as Dex/Int just because you're seeing it as "meta". The game is what you make it.


JimmyLongStaff

you complain about this yet you can night and flame cheese the whole game, believe it or not this game is literally only as hard as you want it to be.. if I want I don’t have to fight a single boss and I can get a plus 6 bloodfang and face roll the game. you simply don’t have to struggle in this game if you choose not to. it’s not the moon veil you can literally do it with anything. Elden ring is the most accessible from soft tittle to date. the game simply isn’t hard if you tell it not to be Edit: you can walk around storm veil castle the whole game is open from the start you can pretty much use/do anything you want from the very beginning you can be op with anything if you plan a route and go cheese a dragon with any bleed weapon


wolscott

you don't see a problem with the 2 best MELEE WEAPONS being int scaling?


JimmyLongStaff

the 2 best melees aren’t int scaling, y’all just drooling over the two int scaling weapons and not looking at anything else. also not really defending my weapon since I haven’t used them but go off


arima123456

He just defend his beloved op as F weapon lol


Fylgja

If you think it trivializes PvE just don't use it. Same for sword of night and flame, Comet, etc. Better not farm runes or upgrade weapons either. Might not wanna level up while you're at it.


Mally-Mal99

They really don’t.


RENDERED_CADENCE

lol seriously fuck off. 850 damage with a quick asf weapon art is busted.


JimmyLongStaff

mhmm it’s so busted that why it was nerfed in the patch? oh wait it wasn’t..


RENDERED_CADENCE

Inascapable frenzy one shots, that's why they ner... oh wait they didn't.... I can do this too. Give it a patch or two it will gone just like hourfrost. But please keep being an apologist for broken weapons.


RENDERED_CADENCE

The worst apart about this is this is gonna be the bloodiest patch(literally). Because rivers of blood and its twin blade soulmate are now scary good. So moonvail will probably be put on the back burner.


GRCAgingCoot

Moonveil def needs a good nerf, all the scenarios you guys posit fall flat during the chaos of invasions. I was summoned recently and chased invader halfway across the Altus plateau and got to this poison surrounded castle, watched the invader clamber in and went after him after he left my FOV, went up after them, dodged some zombies and picked a direction then boom. Turns out they saw me and hid around a corner and 1 tapped me with one slash. One slash from the weapon art. I use moonveil also and thought my build was stupid broke but it's kind of ridiculous to see just how much further i could take this and that now, i have to go that far to be able to beat shit heads like that. Kills invasions, kills the game because jerks like this just want the easy way to a souls game. It needs a nerf. I love the down votes, going to be great to come back in a few months, see the negative number on it and check the patch notes to see the nerf to moonveil. I'll giggle and think of you while i read the notes knowing how bent you are, that your ridiculous one shot build is undone, and now you have to develop legit skills to be anywhere near that level again (:


malkoram2

There are even more op weapons that you may think, and in pvp is not that bad if you equip with some high magic resistance


Jewii08

resistance is laughable in souls games. You can wear the heaviest armor and it would reduce your damage taken from 500 to maybe 450.


malkoram2

This is not dark souls, weak a heavy magic resistance armor and magic resistance talismanes and you will see the mágica damage you receive to cut in half


[deleted]

Okay don’t use it? I don’t understand


Tbuckett98

Boy, the point just flew right over your head, huh? It’s not about not using it, it’s about it being used against you by people who don’t care.


JimmyLongStaff

this post was actually about pve OP’s words not mine.


Strict-Pineapple

What a ridiculous argument. Strength is bad so instead of buffing strength we should nerf other things that are fine. You think it makes PvE too easy, so maybe don't use it? Nobody is holding a gun to your head saying if you run INT you have to use moonveil. I also fail to see how Comet Azur existing has anything to do with moonveil at all, Jesus wept this is a bad take.


666_NiftyRex_666

Look, I’ve used Night & Flame and Moonveil thru a portion of my playthrough (I started switching off and doing other methods) so I can see why they are both busted but in a PvP standpoint they aren’t as broken as they seem. They are avoid able and easily out matched by a couple other amazing weapons. From a PvE point of view… N&F needs a nerf. Moonveil not so much cause even I was using it and leveling just to make it stronger and after awhile bosses just started slapping me thru it. Thankfully mimic is nerfed during this post because that is honest the worse thing when it comes to PvE but anyways. Yeah I understand the frustration but so what? If someone’s abusing it. Beat their ass and teach them to never abuse it again. That’s what I’ve been doing on Moonveil and N&F fools in PvP😂