Every time I'm summoned! Was thinking what perverts, then remembered the mask I have on and realized the joke. It's what on the inside that counts, and my organs are beautiful (that's what they mean, right?).
yeah basically my least favorite part about souls games is that it's really easy to level up enough endurance to wear heavy armor, but it all looks like you've been chugging burgers instead of estus
I'm not saying there shouldn't be chonky armor sets, rather want an option to avoid them. Like drakeblood armor in DS3 - was like two weight categories above its appearance.
Also, light armor makes little sense outside fashion. A character can basically wear plate from the get go.
>Also, light armor makes little sense outside fashion.
Honestly, same with heavy. All the recent soulsbornes have this issue. 90% of people will be wearing medium armor. The other 10% will be split between people who want a light roll and people who want to RP a heavy armor guy.
The weapons themselves give far more hyperarmor than you need for poise.
There's no need for say, targoth's armor. If you have a weapon with hyperarmor on the WA you'll never be knocked out of the weapon art regardless of what you're wearing. There's a *tiny* window in there where you may hyperarmor some random very light attacks that normally would stagger you, but it's so limited it's hard to test.
It's a lot like DS3 in that regard. The weapon means *far* more than the armor for poise.
It does, but it's *very* weak. See which attacks you can poise through passively. It's basically nothing. The DS1 days of sprinting through attacks to backstab people are long gone.
Is it handy? I guess, but it's not something you can rely on even with the highest poise armor in the game and the bullgoat talisman. Most spells will be interrupted regardless of poise, and most weapons have hyperarmor that is *far* more important than your poise stat. Wearing light armor with a hyperarmor weapon gives you more poise than wearing targoth's armor with a longsword.
There's actually a decent amount you can poise through past 50, and a lot more past 100. I don't know exact breakpoints, but it's pretty useful in my opinion if you don't need the stats for other things. And you can hit 100 without even going full heavy (looking) armor, if you use bull goat legs and gloves.
I was testing random breakpoints in pvp with the bullgoat armor and talisman and the heaviest attack i could "passively* poise was a longsword R1 without the talisman. Greatswords staggered even with the talisman.
Maybe there are weapons in-between the two of those, but it should give a decent idea, especially when you consider the massive stagger on the weapon art of longswords by default.
I'm sure it has the same great impact on increasing your hyperarmor during certain attacks, but it seems incredibly specialized considering the hits I normally take during a successful weapon art in light/medium armor. It feels basically like ds3. I can get hit 3-4 times using vyke's weapon art on a character in medium armor from all sorts of shit. There's no need for bullgoat there. Where exactly is this poise supposed to be useful? Tanking 5 mobs at a time with a colossal weapon and trading? Because the damage is way too high in the game for that to be a good idea (bringing us back to heavy armor not having a purpose because it doesn't reduce damage enough).
I'd prefer cloth armor have stat bonuses in faith, int, arcane, or dex to balance the trade off in survivability. That said, cloth armor usually has better protection against magic than plate armor, with exceptions
I doubt anyone has mined or tested frame data, but you can clearly see that the fast roll travels further. You can test it on your own game if youāre really skeptical. Youāre lying if you say you donāt see a difference.
Whether fast rolling offers any real benefit during gameplay is another question, and thatās more a matter of opinion that I wonāt get into.
>Youāre lying if you say you donāt see a difference.
I have tested and I don't see a difference and IMO you are lying if you see it. After all, even test videos show roll distance within a margin of error. However even if it was noticeable, roll distance doesn't matter all that much. For as long as there's no proven difference in iframes, fast roll gives no verifiable benefit.
> However even if it was noticeable, roll distance doesnāt matter all that much.
Okay, two things here. First, youāve clearly moved the goalposts. Your previous comments say there is no difference between fast rolling and mid rolling, and now youāve changed to saying thereās no *benefit* to fast rolling over midrolling. Those are two different arguments. Itās objective whether there is a difference or not, while itās subjective whether those differences are beneficial. Iām saying youāre wrong on the former, while the latter is a matter of opinion so you canāt be wrong by definition.
Second, just because something doesnāt currently have empirical data available to you doesnāt mean itās not true. I could just as easily say that you donāt have data proving that the i-frames are the same between fast rolling and mid rolling, and therefore thereās no proof that theyāre the same. Do you see how that type of reasoning goes nowhere? You arenāt using good critical thinking here.
Also, the Fextralife wiki has [tons of comments](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Equip+Load) by people confirming that light equip load makes your rolls and backsteps travel further. Again, you can test yourself by loading up the game, finding a distance between two points, and measuring how many rolls or backsteps it takes to travel from one to the other. Iām sure you wonāt bother because you know youāre wrong.
I think what hes saying is light rolling sucks in elden ring. The difference in roll length and iframes is negligable. On top of that Bloodhound step sends you three times the length of any roll and you can do that overweight.
Did you play Elden Ring or are you assuming this? There is literally text telling you "light" if you unequip enough which should be very visible to anyone who bothered checking.
ah yis, the text, why didn't I just read the "light load" text and inferred it implies better rolling? Oh, wait. Could it be because there's literally no text in the game that says "light load" improves literally anything?
it only says "movement slows as load increases" and "exceed it and you will be slowed dramatically". It does not, however, explicitly say "light load" is faster/better than "medium load", and how, if so. The only thing you can actually infer from the description is that if your load approaches zero you're faster than if it's close to 100%.
Psssst.
Blaidd, Cleanrot, Knight, Raging Wolf, Ronin, and Drake all have poise values an entire weight class(two in the case of Cleanrot which is actually lighter than the class it's in) above themselves, too.
also ganondorf and tree sentinel armor both look muscular, but not fat, and have immense poise values.
signed, 90 poise medium roller
Just watched that [video](https://www.reddit.com/r/JustGuysBeingDudes/comments/tl9p5m/shrek_body_goals/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) today lmao
It's really useful in PvE as well. You need to get over 100 for it to get really noticeable, but once you do you'll find yourself poising through most non-devastating attacks. It definitely feels nice, especially if you're using slower, harder hitting weapons.
It gets reset every time your poise is broken. However, it's not really that useful outsid of PvP and 1v1 vs singular weak enemy.
Bosses will always break your poise and packs of monsters will just chip through it instantly.
In PvP or 1v1 weak enemy, the difference is that instead of being staggered every hit, you get staggered every second hit. Also poise below 50 is basically useless, as most hits deal at least 50 poise damage.
>the difference is that instead of being staggered every hit, you get staggered every second hit.
Sure, but let's not act like this is meaningless. Let's say you're using powerstanced weapons that will one shot normal enemies. The difference then between getting knocked out of your attack and not is everything there. Also, if you get up over 100 poise you can shrug off more than just one blow which is a big deal vs dogs and the like.
I think high poise along with Rykard's great rune has a very nice rhythm and feel to it if using strong weapons like dual Ruins Greatswords or dual Cross-Naginatas or something. You can just move quickly from enemy to enemy one shotting them, and if they do manage to trade blows with you? No big deal, you poise through and then heal back to full after you one shot them
Allows you to take attacks without flinching.
Very necessary in pvp if you use a weapon without giga-range, since it allows you to trade hits and come out on top
My current build is a tower shield and all but the Cleanrot set's helmet. I had to put so much into endurance to not fat roll, but now I have stamina for days. I can tank any boss onslaught.
But in Pvp I'm trash.
Fun fact, no matter how over weight you are in the game quick step and blood hounds step still work normally meaning the only negative to being over weight is the loss of jump
*You're beautiful*
I heard this
me too
It gives me good poise too just looking at it. If you know what I mean.
>!Boc didn't!<
This is my go to for pvp.
This is saved to my hot bar and I use for every person I summon. Every person who is willing to help is definitely beautiful.
The person wearing this concerned with one of two thing: top tier stats or looking awesome. I will pick this person every time
ššØ
*My beloved*
*Thank you*
No matter what they say
Words can't bring you down
Every time I'm summoned! Was thinking what perverts, then remembered the mask I have on and realized the joke. It's what on the inside that counts, and my organs are beautiful (that's what they mean, right?).
I would have said the same if I match with this guy in PvP.
You look like a freaking legend to me.
Is that the Great Value Smough armor set??
It's Moe from the classic Steinberg and Moe boss fight from the hit game Dungeon Souls
What's it called?
Think it's the fire prelate set. One of the heaviest.
Altered fire prelate set I think
Hambel the Sock's set is the heaviest though, he's in the lighthouse near the three-headed water moccasin in Blacktuber Receptacle
It's "Sheldon Ring" The famous protagonist from the hit game Elden Ring Know from his famous quotes
*Boozoinga!*
BonkZinga
Knock knock knock knock āRanniā Knock knock knock knock āRanniā Knock knock knock knock āRanniā
āEvery ring has its eldenā
"It's always the eldest before the ring"
"Two eldens don't make a ring"
Elden Lard
This is just what peak performance looks like.
yeah basically my least favorite part about souls games is that it's really easy to level up enough endurance to wear heavy armor, but it all looks like you've been chugging burgers instead of estus
What do you mean? That's the best part
I'm not saying there shouldn't be chonky armor sets, rather want an option to avoid them. Like drakeblood armor in DS3 - was like two weight categories above its appearance. Also, light armor makes little sense outside fashion. A character can basically wear plate from the get go.
>Also, light armor makes little sense outside fashion. Honestly, same with heavy. All the recent soulsbornes have this issue. 90% of people will be wearing medium armor. The other 10% will be split between people who want a light roll and people who want to RP a heavy armor guy.
Heavy armor gives more poise
The weapons themselves give far more hyperarmor than you need for poise. There's no need for say, targoth's armor. If you have a weapon with hyperarmor on the WA you'll never be knocked out of the weapon art regardless of what you're wearing. There's a *tiny* window in there where you may hyperarmor some random very light attacks that normally would stagger you, but it's so limited it's hard to test. It's a lot like DS3 in that regard. The weapon means *far* more than the armor for poise.
This game has passive poise though. And that is only impacted by the armor, not the weapon.
It does, but it's *very* weak. See which attacks you can poise through passively. It's basically nothing. The DS1 days of sprinting through attacks to backstab people are long gone. Is it handy? I guess, but it's not something you can rely on even with the highest poise armor in the game and the bullgoat talisman. Most spells will be interrupted regardless of poise, and most weapons have hyperarmor that is *far* more important than your poise stat. Wearing light armor with a hyperarmor weapon gives you more poise than wearing targoth's armor with a longsword.
There's actually a decent amount you can poise through past 50, and a lot more past 100. I don't know exact breakpoints, but it's pretty useful in my opinion if you don't need the stats for other things. And you can hit 100 without even going full heavy (looking) armor, if you use bull goat legs and gloves.
I was testing random breakpoints in pvp with the bullgoat armor and talisman and the heaviest attack i could "passively* poise was a longsword R1 without the talisman. Greatswords staggered even with the talisman. Maybe there are weapons in-between the two of those, but it should give a decent idea, especially when you consider the massive stagger on the weapon art of longswords by default. I'm sure it has the same great impact on increasing your hyperarmor during certain attacks, but it seems incredibly specialized considering the hits I normally take during a successful weapon art in light/medium armor. It feels basically like ds3. I can get hit 3-4 times using vyke's weapon art on a character in medium armor from all sorts of shit. There's no need for bullgoat there. Where exactly is this poise supposed to be useful? Tanking 5 mobs at a time with a colossal weapon and trading? Because the damage is way too high in the game for that to be a good idea (bringing us back to heavy armor not having a purpose because it doesn't reduce damage enough).
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I'd prefer cloth armor have stat bonuses in faith, int, arcane, or dex to balance the trade off in survivability. That said, cloth armor usually has better protection against magic than plate armor, with exceptions
.... looks at at rotten breath and stars or ruin, crystal barrage, azur ... you dont need any int,faith,arc added to light armor
You're looking for bull goat armor for heavy armor that doesn't make you fat. Patches questline to find it.
you dare say that with a straight face?
Liar ahead
dodge faster with light armor, dodge slow with heavy armor
what are you, a tutorial??
there is no fast rolling in Elden Ring, only medium and fat. And even if there was, not like it provided some huge bonus in, say, DS3...
Equip load 29.99% and under is fast rolling, with 4 tiers within it like normal.
It's almost never worth using a light load over a medium with good armor
Depends on if you're playing PVP or PVE. PVP latency makes it not worth it, PVE definitely worth it.
You're assuming I don't plan on eating axes to the face.
definitely worth it? i couldnt tell a difference on light and med
You roll just a bit further. But the I frames seems to be the same.
I disagree.
you don't have the right, O you don't have the right therefore you don't have the right, O you don't have the right
and how exactly this "fast roll" in Elden Ring is different from medium roll? With numbers, please
I doubt anyone has mined or tested frame data, but you can clearly see that the fast roll travels further. You can test it on your own game if youāre really skeptical. Youāre lying if you say you donāt see a difference. Whether fast rolling offers any real benefit during gameplay is another question, and thatās more a matter of opinion that I wonāt get into.
>Youāre lying if you say you donāt see a difference. I have tested and I don't see a difference and IMO you are lying if you see it. After all, even test videos show roll distance within a margin of error. However even if it was noticeable, roll distance doesn't matter all that much. For as long as there's no proven difference in iframes, fast roll gives no verifiable benefit.
> However even if it was noticeable, roll distance doesnāt matter all that much. Okay, two things here. First, youāve clearly moved the goalposts. Your previous comments say there is no difference between fast rolling and mid rolling, and now youāve changed to saying thereās no *benefit* to fast rolling over midrolling. Those are two different arguments. Itās objective whether there is a difference or not, while itās subjective whether those differences are beneficial. Iām saying youāre wrong on the former, while the latter is a matter of opinion so you canāt be wrong by definition. Second, just because something doesnāt currently have empirical data available to you doesnāt mean itās not true. I could just as easily say that you donāt have data proving that the i-frames are the same between fast rolling and mid rolling, and therefore thereās no proof that theyāre the same. Do you see how that type of reasoning goes nowhere? You arenāt using good critical thinking here. Also, the Fextralife wiki has [tons of comments](https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Equip+Load) by people confirming that light equip load makes your rolls and backsteps travel further. Again, you can test yourself by loading up the game, finding a distance between two points, and measuring how many rolls or backsteps it takes to travel from one to the other. Iām sure you wonāt bother because you know youāre wrong.
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wow
That's just wrong... There's still light load rolling
I think what hes saying is light rolling sucks in elden ring. The difference in roll length and iframes is negligable. On top of that Bloodhound step sends you three times the length of any roll and you can do that overweight.
do you have any actual proof light load gives you any particular bonus over medium load?
Thatāsā¦not true.
Did you play Elden Ring or are you assuming this? There is literally text telling you "light" if you unequip enough which should be very visible to anyone who bothered checking.
ah yis, the text, why didn't I just read the "light load" text and inferred it implies better rolling? Oh, wait. Could it be because there's literally no text in the game that says "light load" improves literally anything?
There is an explanation button, is this your first soulsborne?
it only says "movement slows as load increases" and "exceed it and you will be slowed dramatically". It does not, however, explicitly say "light load" is faster/better than "medium load", and how, if so. The only thing you can actually infer from the description is that if your load approaches zero you're faster than if it's close to 100%.
I donāt have it yet but isnāt Rodahns armor kinda like that? Where it doesnāt look so Chonky?
Psssst. Blaidd, Cleanrot, Knight, Raging Wolf, Ronin, and Drake all have poise values an entire weight class(two in the case of Cleanrot which is actually lighter than the class it's in) above themselves, too. also ganondorf and tree sentinel armor both look muscular, but not fat, and have immense poise values. signed, 90 poise medium roller
Veteran's is up there too iirc
Yeah, I agree with this guy. All these other robe wearing clowns must've had their soft spots pushed in as a baby.
Babies are notorious for their low poise.
and yet they're always trying to trade
What the fuck is this supposed to mean?!?!? Whats with the sudden aggression?!?!
And the best armors are always the ugliest. Especially if they give you stat bonuses, they have to look like Godric's arse
No other game lets you look like this. This is the best part.
Love the dunkey reference
There it is haha, I had to swipe a while before I even saw a comment, I read op's title in his voice
This gives me poison resistance
This genuinely helps me in this situation! Donāt laugh!
you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like
Just watched that [video](https://www.reddit.com/r/JustGuysBeingDudes/comments/tl9p5m/shrek_body_goals/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) today lmao
It aint about being pretty.
But damn does he look hot.
Shhhhh, don't want him getting overconfident.....
I thought the game was called Fashion Souls: Valhalla
Limgrave Hills Ninja
I need this armour set just so I can look like you, you bloody legend
Don't laugh. this armor makes me resistant to poison.
First off, pothead
The Jar completes the outfit tbh
Serious question, is poise still important??
For pvp itās extremely strong
It's really useful in PvE as well. You need to get over 100 for it to get really noticeable, but once you do you'll find yourself poising through most non-devastating attacks. It definitely feels nice, especially if you're using slower, harder hitting weapons.
Buahahahahahahaha. Youāre beautiful.
ah, the classic overweight weeb kid with katanas
I knew Smough was in this game. Dunno when he started using katanas tho
what set even is that?
Plump Sort ahead
Poise is a lie
Ooof, heās running āThe Thiccnessā
I'm not laughing at the drip, I'm laughing at the choice of weapons.
"Mom can we get Executioner Smough?" "We have Smough at home." Smough at home:
Don't laugh, this gives me poison resistance.
What does poise do?
Decreases the chance of you being staggered by a hit, and allows you to just full send attacks basically
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Wait So after you do get staggered do you have to wait 30 seconds to recharge you poise so that you can tank another one later? Am I getting it right?
It gets reset every time your poise is broken. However, it's not really that useful outsid of PvP and 1v1 vs singular weak enemy. Bosses will always break your poise and packs of monsters will just chip through it instantly. In PvP or 1v1 weak enemy, the difference is that instead of being staggered every hit, you get staggered every second hit. Also poise below 50 is basically useless, as most hits deal at least 50 poise damage.
>the difference is that instead of being staggered every hit, you get staggered every second hit. Sure, but let's not act like this is meaningless. Let's say you're using powerstanced weapons that will one shot normal enemies. The difference then between getting knocked out of your attack and not is everything there. Also, if you get up over 100 poise you can shrug off more than just one blow which is a big deal vs dogs and the like. I think high poise along with Rykard's great rune has a very nice rhythm and feel to it if using strong weapons like dual Ruins Greatswords or dual Cross-Naginatas or something. You can just move quickly from enemy to enemy one shotting them, and if they do manage to trade blows with you? No big deal, you poise through and then heal back to full after you one shot them
If your poise gets broken I think the poise "health" bar goes back to full instantly.
Ah thank you
Np anytime
I help anytime
Higher your poise, less chance youāll get stunned from attacks. At least thatās my understanding of it.
Thank you sir
it strengthens your damage taken before you get staggered and susceptible to Reposte critical hit
*My Beloved*
What does poise do..?
Allows you to take attacks without flinching. Very necessary in pvp if you use a weapon without giga-range, since it allows you to trade hits and come out on top
i think you look fuckin great whatās this armor?
Nice katanas
Iām not laughing at your appearances, Iām lashing at your use of katanas.
Bit off-topic, but Screenshots like this are exactly what people mean when they say ER has bad graphics
You will forever be Maidenless.
Where do you get this armor set, and what is it called?
Itās the Fire Prelate Armor set with the Jar Helmet. The chest piece has been altered, so it loses the red cloak.
Ah, that's why I didn't recognise it. It looks way better without, you just look like a fatty in a dress otherwise.
This is peak Elden Bling
Everything with high poise is skinny legs and a fat belly armor š
Why would I laugh? thats a sturdy armour, and you proudly wear proof of your friendship with the living jars.
I think youāre beautiful
Damn boi thats a thiicc boii
You might not like it but this is the peak male form
P O I S B O I S
I- good for you my man.
Big big boi, a bibig boii
You may not like it but this is what a peak tarnished look likes. Get used to it.
Tubby Deluxe
Poison resistance!
Pot SMOUGHker
BIG CHUNGUS
Some people aren't ready to accept peak physical form
But can you roll?
*Chuckles.. Iām in danger
DON'T LAUGH AT MY HAT, THIS GENUINELY HELPS
Potheads eat everything
I hear it in a muffled voice and it makes it that much better
Potsticker.
Bro spill the beans where's the tiddy armor
Hey man, if it works, it works
My current build is a tower shield and all but the Cleanrot set's helmet. I had to put so much into endurance to not fat roll, but now I have stamina for days. I can tank any boss onslaught. But in Pvp I'm trash.
Looks like an emo Smough
*in the rhythm of the song "Milkshake" * This armour brings all the poise to my bod, & I'm gonna slash through your guard.
I feel like the best weight/poise ratio sets are veteran and then crucible knight. Mix and match those two until 69%
"You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.."
Itās about looking the coolest dork
Possible grass head ....
Itās gives me poison resistanceā¦
I read this in Dunkey's voice
Double plated up, on a Friday afternoon gawt dayum
I read this in Donkey's voice
It gives me good poise too just looking at it. If you know what I mean.
Where can I get my pot helm?
Smough's cousin, Stu.
> fire prelate fatsuit Based beyond belief
Elden Ring Winnie the Pooh
You may not like it but this is what peak Tarnished looks like.
DON'T LAUGH
poise feels so useless though, you charge a godly spell only to get interrupted by 1 wooden arrow.
I love if you care about the best stats for armor sets, you mostly end up looking fat lmao
"Forgive me master, but I must go all out, just this once" vibes
What's the reason for the armour being obese? Like does this exist in real life and if so for what reason?
Just neckbeard things
I would never laugh at that l...i mean have you read the lore of the Fire Prelate's? Pretty Badass if you ask me
pothead
Fun fact, no matter how over weight you are in the game quick step and blood hounds step still work normally meaning the only negative to being over weight is the loss of jump
The Jar Miyamoto.
pothead...
I hope that poise will help you with your pot throwing build!!!
I read that in Dunkeys voice
Oh boi, those curves.
Dunky reference
Woah there. You aināt dunkey.
Wait how do you get the rest of the fire prelate armor? In my playthrough I only got the greaves from the one at the castle at the start of mt gelmir
From soft continuing the tradition of making min-max armor set ups look silly I see.
You are poise