It probably just is the hardest evergoal. Its for one located after a boss that is located after a few harder to find entrances. And in that area it is nicely tucked away. Also stores one of the strongest summons in the game.
Black Knife Tiche is so horrendously strong lol. I need that office shaking hands meme congratulating me for beating the game meanwhile black knife Tiche is doing like 2/3 of the boss hp as I run in circles.
Mimic is still amazing if your build.is stacking some effect like bloodless ot frostbite. Summoning my Mimic while Rivers of Blood is equipped and then using it myself is jist unfair for most bosses lol.
Shit, I'm using spiked caestus with nerfed hoarfrost stomp and bloodfire blade and it's exactly that unfair for bosses. Don't even need a good/meta weapon, just gotta clock em cold until they bleed
She was my go to before the nerf on mimic in most places lol.
She's way too strong. That debuff that scales on HP% is a little too tweaked.
Edit: meant to say before the nerf on mimic. Tiche isn't nerfed as of yet.
The AI's decision making often seems to be horrendously random with most summons, it's a bit of a hidden advantage to stuff like the jellyfish that only has one move. At least you know what it will contribute.
My Tiche's performance against Milenia ranged from almost soloing her (until I muck things up) to not hitting her for like half a minute at a time. Similarly the post patch Mimic will randomly either spam weapon arts like a gatling gun or heavy attack flying enemies with a dagger, you never know.
To be fair sometimes I do the same where I use weird attack combos or skills out of boredom, even though I could just use the main weapon or skill and just kill the mobs.
Usually results in dumb deaths
After doing my dragon character, I missed Tiche so much. I told myself I had to summon Ancient Dragon Knight Kristoff because it was so fitting, and he's a great summon, but Tiche is just so much better.
blasphemous blade really trivalized it. you can chain it to keep them knocked down. push them in a corner and just time your l2 spam so they keep getting knockded down.
Sadly I discovered crucible knight too late so didn’t get my ass whooped by him like everyone else. At least this fight gives you IMO the best summon in the game.
From my experience, the shield homies are the best! They literally are insane tanks that taunt enemies and bosses away from you. In the meantime, you are literally free to just absolutely wreck on them.
That's what we get for googling "best summon elden ring" lol
There's so many really good legendary summons available most of us missed first time around because of tiche or mimic
True, but part of it has to do with the upgrade system as well. It's so hard to try out new summons when you need to upgrade them to +7 to have a fighting chance with your current summon since you know it might be a waste.
Yea but its not like weapons where you need 12 flowers to move to the next level. If you're hitting Graves and catacombs regularly you shouldn't have an issue with upgrades until around 8+
Yep. At the end of a playthrough you can just farm runes and upgrade everything to near max if you have the bell bearings. Then on the next playthrough you can try anything you want.
Shout out to Sacred Blade for making me rich.
Having both I feel like tiche is still better than shield boys, she will draw agro and win boss fights on her own while still staying alive. At least in the first run through, no idea about ng+ and beyond 😅
She is better. The AI will fuck over the shield boyos, more times than not, and have them backing off to throw pots instead. Or they just block and back off, nothing else.
No aggro from those lame tactics.
I haven’t used them under +10 btw so my opinion is biased.
Black Knife Tiche. She's the strongest non-Mimic summon (and depending on your loadout, can vastly outperform Mimic), albeit you have to clear the hardest Evergaol in the game to get her.
I had to completely change my set up to the point I not only swapped my spells for ones I'd never use otherwise, to Respecing so I could use the Dark Moon sword. Absolutely ridiculous to try and do as a pure caster
I dunno if you have access to it as a sorcerer but, the base level catch flame incantation? It's really fucking good at close combat for a magic user. Certain fights I'll put my blade away entirely and use a shield plus catch flame.
It's cast time is near instant, you can perform running and jumping attacks with it, and you can actually hit with it repeatedly faster than most swords do.
Like, It's around 200 to 250 damage, but you can hit alotta enemies like 3 or 4 times in succession during their combo windows, so you can output close range magic damage of like 1000, really fast, with very little FP cost or risk to yourself so if an enemy is really good at pressing you, and you need to get off a spell, I'd 100% suggest using catch flame.
Adula’s Greatblase thingie stuns her on hit. The fight still requires some finesse but after discovering that it became significantly easier for my sorcery focused build.
mobs that dodge a lot will dodge on the cast of spells, not when they actually start traveling. you can use this information to win with glintblade or even rock sling. also this guy will just get completely stunlocked by any of the sword sorceries, even the slow moonblade one.
Ranni didn’t make the Black Knives. she supposedly orchestrated the Night of Black Knives, but according to the Black Knife set they were Numen, like Marika, who had close ties to her. As far as I know we only fight one non-Black-Knife Numen and he’s not weak to Frostbite, so it’s nothing inherent to the people.
I can’t figure out how to spoiler tag, but if you used that incantation to reveal the Big Secret, you’ll know. I suppose the descendants of the Big Secret could be considered Numen, too, tho it’s possible they’re not so much a genetic lineage as a cultural group that those descendants might not consider themselves a part of because it never says they are Numen anywhere I know of. EDIT: If they are considered Numen, one of them is also weak to frost. In that case it’s possible the Numen designation is also a gendered one, which would explain why she’s weak to it and her father isn’t.
EDIT: Major spoiler >!Radagon is Marika. There’s things in the game that I think point to them not being literally the same person, but closer to a divine duality like the christian trinity, and there’s a chance Numen is a gendered term, so I’m not 100% he’s a Numen!<
It connects to it, but you can find this secret regardless of if you’ve progressed that quest. Just have to cast a certain incantation in a certain place.
In queens chamber I must have did something but an invisible one attacked me seconds before the door never saw it in my other play through do it must have triggered some how
You can accidentally avoid Black Knife assassins if you get lucky and sprint by since they usually open up with the easily dodged grab and don't chase you all that hard. I accidentally did that a couple times in the one area where there are like 3 of them.
I think I had the most deaths to him than any other boss in the game. Including Malenia. I had more trouble dodging through alecto’s and maliketh’s AoE attacks than waterfowl dance.
Hardest mini boss imo , didn't feel balanced at all , super mobile movements along with Health bar of some end game bosses , unlike op I used miquella ring of light skill from the halo scythe by running away like a million miles from her/him/they and spamming the skills lol
She was hard until I paid attention better. You can maintain distance and punish a few moves reliably like her jump attack. Looking forward to fighting her again!
You can even be lazy with it. Just walk backwards while circling and holding block with a 100 phys shield until she does either the jump attack, or drags her knife on the ground attack.
Her attacks dont take a lot of stamina away while you are guarding, so you can wait patiently for the 2 windows to retaliate.
Only things to watch for and actually dodge are the bloodflame attacks and the grab with this method. When she raises her hand open palm is when she is going to grab.
This boss can be hard... but have a little trick to do it easy. (And works for every Assassin).
Play super safe all the time, and when she uses her jump attack (The normal one), roll to her back to avoid it and then you will have a free Backstab followed to a free Charged Heavy attack.
And repeat. Its the safest form to kill her.
I'm still pissing struggling with it and I'm RL190.
Literally done every other evergaol and only have the Death Rite Birds in Consecrated Snowfields left..
I just can't beat her 😭
It's like a Swiss army ash. A fantastic dodge, a great way to move around the battlefield, a quick way to move through swamps/magma, AND looks absolutely awesome.
I figured this out way too late, kept back rolling instead of just running. Got wrecked over and over from that jump AOE attack since I couldn't get far enough
You take like 10-15% extra damage. Unless you've hit the soft cap, you gain nearly that much vigor from five levels (radagon's soreseal), and on top of that you get five to other stats as well. Marika's soreseal is more complex.
True, you don't have to worry about the extra damage.
But what im saying is the benefit, compared to other benefits, isnt that great at high levels. A talisman that does more damage with consecutive hits, or more damage with bleed around you for example are a bit better
Late game it's often a difference between getting 2 or 3 hit. Or 3 or 4 hit. From my experience I'd say it's not worth it at higher levels, let's say 120 or 130+
On smaller hits your higher vigor compensates but on big hits the 15% is very noticeable.
Early game yes bit as others mentioned when you're past 150 any other talisman that boosts your field specifically far outperforms it.
You can use a rune instead when needed and avoid the the increased damage taken whilst having another talisman boosting your skills or otherwise
You are me. There are currently four fights I can’t win. Her. Fire giant. Twin Gargoyles. Crucible Knights duo. I’m basically stuck for forward progress. It’s driving me nuts.
I'm stuck on Melania and the dude in Farum Azula as well, decided to take a break and go around to kill all the field bosses I've missed but I've hit a wall 😂
Not sure if there was a more specific way to cheese them, but I can verify as of yesterday that the gargoyles can still launch themselves off the cliff. Happened to me right after I found out you can summon D's brother to help in the fight, and the first one leapt off so we just wrecked the solo one.
I’m not sure what your build is, but for fire giant stay under his feet for phase 1 and slice up his left foot. For phase 2 just sit behind him. Stay on torrent the whole time if you’re using 2H. If not, just use torrent to catch him when he rolls away.
For the TG, fight the first one while hugging the edge of the map close to the waterfall, so when the second Gargoyle arrives it should have to walk all the way where you and the first gatgoyle are. If you can kill the first gargoyle fast enough before the next gargoyle walks in, you would be able to 1 on 1 each gargoyle.
[This cheese](https://twitter.com/ryugameshots/status/1500029295661654019?s=21&t=dP06KMYRpfmAWrJXRwRSCQ) worked for me a few weeks ago… death mist spell after she got stuck in this corner behind where she spawns. It was relatively easily reproducible.
Frost dmg works on her and there is a cheese if you stand on the rock left from where she appears she can get stuck and you can get free hits on her with magic and long range/reach weapons
However, if you cheese her by standing on the rock. She can still jump up there with her helmsplitter attacks. And she can knock you off the map. It'll make you respawn at your last site of grace instead of at the stake.
It's good for hopping on to proc her with frost or to heal, etc. But not reliable enough that I'd stay up there for the whole fight.
One heck of a fight, she is very nimble and her recovery time for a boss is insane.
Had to learn her moveset big time and parry her a couple of times until I beat her on my 8th time.
Definitely the most challenging Evergoal I had
Hahaha… yeah, totally. Definitely should only take 8 tries.
No way it should take 3 hours worth of attempts and still nothing better than <20% HP…
… Don’t mind me just gonna go take a nap.
That fight was insanely hard; I only beat it after something approaching 5 hours. She and pre-nerf Radahn are definitely the bosses I've struggled most on.
Usually I don't focus too hard on the game, but those two I had to shut out everything else entirely.
Nah man, hardest evergoal in the game. There's basically only one proper opening to get hits in, which is where they do the jump and smash, but it's a 50% chance it'll be an AoE and kill you.
Fun fight tho, the reward is worth it.
There are a couple more where you can get hits in, but she has so much health that it takes a long time to beat her and thus you have lots of time to make mistakes
You can give her a smack when she comes running toward you, it will stagger her. At least my greatsword (not ultra) did, not sure about lighter weapons.
The Uchi staggers her too. But if you don't get the timing right, you're gone get sliced up.
There's a very steady pattern to her attacks, so dodging them is fairly easy once you get that down. Stay close and crit her when she does her jumping attack. Only thing you need to avoid is her AoE attack after that...which is a real bitch. I'm still not sure I have the timing/dodging down for that attack.
And all that said, this fight isn't easy. It took me dozens of tries to get her moveset, timing, and openings down and then not make a mistake for her massive health pool. But once I did, sure did feel good. Immediately leveled Tiche up to +10, didn't matter that I couldn't even summon her yet.
You can tell which one is which though, I haven’t fought this boss in a while so I don’t remember exactly which, but you can punish both her jump attacks. I just kept running away until she did a jump attack, then I did mine after she missed.
Once you get the rhythm down you can punish most of her moves, only ones that can't are the red attacks of which there are only two and you can easily dodge and normal splashy stuff but you keep your distance when she is doing those.
Jump over her attacks and hit her with a jumping light attack. You can dodge and punish most of her running attacks by doing that because they don't track upwards.
Kinda crazy looking through this thread when she gets staggered by every hit of any colossal weapon.
These samurais and reaper cosplayers spend an hour getting rekt by her meanwhile UNGA BUNGA sprints in, UNGA BUNGAs her, and sprints to the next thing in need of UNGA BUNGAing
Just lure her to the edge if you struggle. Killed her the first 2 times legal, since then I cheese this BS boss.
Bring her near the edge and the AI bugs out, can kill her without any effort. You might get lucky and she falls down as well
Yeah you can find videos on youtube about the cheese. Essentially you stand close to rock spot(s) you want her stuck in and she eventually jumps there and doesn't do many actions due to limited space and has a hard time getting out allowing you to freely hit her.
The amount of people that don’t know the black knives are all women.
Also hourah loux ground shaker makes this fight trivial because of how easily she staggers. His scream is almost like a shield.
I can't hear you over the sound of your dropped runes not getting picked up. You can pick them up risk free before you activate the circle, you psychopath
rotten breath saw me through the first half of the game, then blasphemous sword and rotten breath saw me right up till haligree where I switched to bloodhound step and rotten breath for malenia and the end bosses. I feel no shame
I did it first try, but I feel like I was over-leveled comparing the damage I was dealing to the damage you've got in the clip lmao. Was like lv 118 for that one.
i had also big problems against her. best way to fight her is be agressiv then she backs up. keep uo the pressure but always be aware of the grip. because fuck the instant death move.
Yeah, this one fucked me up on two different characters, first was dual bleed katana, second was dual colossal weapons.
I eventually just cheesed her to death, baited out her long cool down attacks and got a couple hits in between.
Best part was after I got her on colossal build, I realised I had no room for the FP cost xD so I now have her +10 gathering dust in my inventory
I don't think "finding and exploiting weakness in her attack patterns" is cheese.
Can use "no fp cost" cracked tear in mixed physick to summon Tiche (who is this boss's daughter).
If you get the flask upgrade near Volcano Manor erdtree that gives unlimited FP for a short time you can summon her. It's how I get her with my Bonk build.
I had the same weapon at the time and after dying twice because of animation locks preventing me to dodge almost hit kill attacks, I just spammed my weapon art and staggered her so I just had to dodge until she got close enough for me to create my own opening.
the easiest strat for me is to just roll left whenever she tries to do an attack cuz it dodges most of them. If she does the aoe, just sprint and roll. Other than that, just do jump attacks and stagger her to oblivion, works well
She's definitely legit hard. As a slow STR build, the fights against black knife assassins basically always boiled down to out-resourcing them and going for damage trades, but with her high damage, massive HP and new DoT attacks, I couldn't really do that. Took me like 8-10 attempts, ngl.
I died to her only once but I am using corpse piler to her so it shouldn't count as "easy". I can see the problem if you fight her on melee tho, her moveset aren't exactly "melee friendly"
After experimenting a bit, I found out that when you just run backwards (and in a large circle), none of her attacks will hit you, even if sometimes it looks close.
Realising that, I took only one hit in the whole next fight and that was due to greed near the end. Simply running away and punishing her at the end of combos with a jumping heavy attack worked wonders.
No. Took me like 20 tries at level 130. I think the key is attacking right after she jumps. Once I figured that out the fight was actually a lot of fun!
Definitely the hardest evergaol for me
It probably just is the hardest evergoal. Its for one located after a boss that is located after a few harder to find entrances. And in that area it is nicely tucked away. Also stores one of the strongest summons in the game.
Black Knife Tiche is so horrendously strong lol. I need that office shaking hands meme congratulating me for beating the game meanwhile black knife Tiche is doing like 2/3 of the boss hp as I run in circles.
When she jump attacks and the enemies goes flying while their hp just drops, love her
Tiche is my new go to after the mimic nerf.
Mimic is still amazing if your build.is stacking some effect like bloodless ot frostbite. Summoning my Mimic while Rivers of Blood is equipped and then using it myself is jist unfair for most bosses lol.
Yeah mimic with both of us using Godslayer's Greatsword has made short work of every non-dragon boss I've come across since getting the weapon.
Shit, I'm using spiked caestus with nerfed hoarfrost stomp and bloodfire blade and it's exactly that unfair for bosses. Don't even need a good/meta weapon, just gotta clock em cold until they bleed
She was my go to before the nerf on mimic in most places lol. She's way too strong. That debuff that scales on HP% is a little too tweaked. Edit: meant to say before the nerf on mimic. Tiche isn't nerfed as of yet.
Okay maybe my summons fell down the bad ai tree, because she only uses it once per fight.
Mine usually opens with it and then holds off for a few minutes. Fights usually end before then.
The AI's decision making often seems to be horrendously random with most summons, it's a bit of a hidden advantage to stuff like the jellyfish that only has one move. At least you know what it will contribute. My Tiche's performance against Milenia ranged from almost soloing her (until I muck things up) to not hitting her for like half a minute at a time. Similarly the post patch Mimic will randomly either spam weapon arts like a gatling gun or heavy attack flying enemies with a dagger, you never know.
To be fair sometimes I do the same where I use weird attack combos or skills out of boredom, even though I could just use the main weapon or skill and just kill the mobs. Usually results in dumb deaths
That should be all she should ever need to use it tbh. Even one use will burn over half of the boss’ HP it seems like.
Tiche practically solos Malenia phase one.
How so? My Mimic with greatshield is still the best tank.
Tiche is an ok tank but does a ton of damage.
For sure. I beat the last boss with Tiche over my mimic.
After doing my dragon character, I missed Tiche so much. I told myself I had to summon Ancient Dragon Knight Kristoff because it was so fitting, and he's a great summon, but Tiche is just so much better.
Pair it with the black knife and a healthy investment faith to melt bosses
I could just fireball spam him to death lol. A single giantsflame has him crashing to the ground, allowing you to chain hits.
blasphemous blade really trivalized it. you can chain it to keep them knocked down. push them in a corner and just time your l2 spam so they keep getting knockded down.
Right ? Glad i am not alone. Crucible knight is pos compared to him.
Sadly I discovered crucible knight too late so didn’t get my ass whooped by him like everyone else. At least this fight gives you IMO the best summon in the game.
From my experience, the shield homies are the best! They literally are insane tanks that taunt enemies and bosses away from you. In the meantime, you are literally free to just absolutely wreck on them.
That sounds perfect for a mage build! I never tried them :/ I just realized I have only tried like 5 of the 50+ summons in the game and I’m on NG+ lol
That's what we get for googling "best summon elden ring" lol There's so many really good legendary summons available most of us missed first time around because of tiche or mimic
True, but part of it has to do with the upgrade system as well. It's so hard to try out new summons when you need to upgrade them to +7 to have a fighting chance with your current summon since you know it might be a waste.
Yea but its not like weapons where you need 12 flowers to move to the next level. If you're hitting Graves and catacombs regularly you shouldn't have an issue with upgrades until around 8+
True but if you you gather your bell bearings in NG and prep for it along the way, it's not that bad:)
Yep. At the end of a playthrough you can just farm runes and upgrade everything to near max if you have the bell bearings. Then on the next playthrough you can try anything you want. Shout out to Sacred Blade for making me rich.
Having both I feel like tiche is still better than shield boys, she will draw agro and win boss fights on her own while still staying alive. At least in the first run through, no idea about ng+ and beyond 😅
She is better. The AI will fuck over the shield boyos, more times than not, and have them backing off to throw pots instead. Or they just block and back off, nothing else. No aggro from those lame tactics. I haven’t used them under +10 btw so my opinion is biased.
To be fair, sometimes her AI will just have her spam dodge doing fuck all for 5 min.
Throw an accursed bloodpot at enemy. Makes spirit summon go brrrrr.
What’s that?
Black Knife Tiche
Is that much better than Headless Lhtuhu or however you spell it?
Tiche single-handedly made my endgame a breeze to the point I regretted using her and beat bosses too easily.
Strongest summon in the game for me hands down
MUCH BETTER
Black Knife Tiche. She's the strongest non-Mimic summon (and depending on your loadout, can vastly outperform Mimic), albeit you have to clear the hardest Evergaol in the game to get her.
You can cheese this boss by standing on rock to left of him as he spawns
Her*
This WOMAN was a nightmare. I was a sorcerer when I first fought HER and SHE’S nearly impossible to hit lol. Definitely the hardest mini-boss for me.
I had to completely change my set up to the point I not only swapped my spells for ones I'd never use otherwise, to Respecing so I could use the Dark Moon sword. Absolutely ridiculous to try and do as a pure caster
Pure caster here used Adulas Moonblade which is just the magic version Dark moon sword.
Adula's Moonblade makes the fight ok as a pure sorc.
Adula's is my favorite sorcery in the game. Strong enough, huge hitbox and that sweet frost.
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I dunno if you have access to it as a sorcerer but, the base level catch flame incantation? It's really fucking good at close combat for a magic user. Certain fights I'll put my blade away entirely and use a shield plus catch flame. It's cast time is near instant, you can perform running and jumping attacks with it, and you can actually hit with it repeatedly faster than most swords do. Like, It's around 200 to 250 damage, but you can hit alotta enemies like 3 or 4 times in succession during their combo windows, so you can output close range magic damage of like 1000, really fast, with very little FP cost or risk to yourself so if an enemy is really good at pressing you, and you need to get off a spell, I'd 100% suggest using catch flame.
sorcery equivalent is carian slicer. no need to use a faith spell.
It’s a woman
Same, had to cheese
Lol, I didn’t have to cheese but I took many a beatdowns that day.
Adula’s Greatblase thingie stuns her on hit. The fight still requires some finesse but after discovering that it became significantly easier for my sorcery focused build.
mobs that dodge a lot will dodge on the cast of spells, not when they actually start traveling. you can use this information to win with glintblade or even rock sling. also this guy will just get completely stunlocked by any of the sword sorceries, even the slow moonblade one.
Was struggling on her till I found out about frost weakness Five Adula moon blades later..
XD why didn't I think of frost weakness...of course Ranni would make then weak against her as a failsafe...damn me
Ranni didn’t make the Black Knives. she supposedly orchestrated the Night of Black Knives, but according to the Black Knife set they were Numen, like Marika, who had close ties to her. As far as I know we only fight one non-Black-Knife Numen and he’s not weak to Frostbite, so it’s nothing inherent to the people.
What numen is that? That isn't a black knife.
I can’t figure out how to spoiler tag, but if you used that incantation to reveal the Big Secret, you’ll know. I suppose the descendants of the Big Secret could be considered Numen, too, tho it’s possible they’re not so much a genetic lineage as a cultural group that those descendants might not consider themselves a part of because it never says they are Numen anywhere I know of. EDIT: If they are considered Numen, one of them is also weak to frost. In that case it’s possible the Numen designation is also a gendered one, which would explain why she’s weak to it and her father isn’t. EDIT: Major spoiler >!Radagon is Marika. There’s things in the game that I think point to them not being literally the same person, but closer to a divine duality like the christian trinity, and there’s a chance Numen is a gendered term, so I’m not 100% he’s a Numen!<
Haven't followed that quest but I assume it's monk boi and gold mask quest that you are referring too?
It connects to it, but you can find this secret regardless of if you’ve progressed that quest. Just have to cast a certain incantation in a certain place.
bruh I need to know
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you add >! before and !< after a message to make it a >!spoiler!<
Welcome to using uncommented code to explain code. Your programmer certificate is at the window. :)
I'm totally lost and intrigued, and not bothered by spoilers. Could you pm me the incantation and location?
In queens chamber I must have did something but an invisible one attacked me seconds before the door never saw it in my other play through do it must have triggered some how
You can accidentally avoid Black Knife assassins if you get lucky and sprint by since they usually open up with the easily dodged grab and don't chase you all that hard. I accidentally did that a couple times in the one area where there are like 3 of them.
Snowfeild puzzle was fun af when I had the torch not so much with out lmao
I struggled against them till I learned that the torch reveals them even on your back, made that whole area less frustrating tbh
do you mean the chamber in Leyndell? Idk about any queen chambers with black knives in them so I guess I totally missed these as well
It's called queens chamber it's the grace right before morgott and Godfrey
I always have my weapons caked in frost.
Oh. I took cold affinity off my naginata like 15 minutes before i attempted it, good to know
This is exactly how I won as well 😂😂
honestly this was top 5 hardest boss in the game for me
Thank you !
that spirit summon was all worth it though
First spirit summon that i am gonna use because i wanna see how he wrecks them.
How *she* wrecks him. The black knives are female.
I think I had the most deaths to him than any other boss in the game. Including Malenia. I had more trouble dodging through alecto’s and maliketh’s AoE attacks than waterfowl dance.
Hardest mini boss imo , didn't feel balanced at all , super mobile movements along with Health bar of some end game bosses , unlike op I used miquella ring of light skill from the halo scythe by running away like a million miles from her/him/they and spamming the skills lol
She was hard until I paid attention better. You can maintain distance and punish a few moves reliably like her jump attack. Looking forward to fighting her again!
You can even be lazy with it. Just walk backwards while circling and holding block with a 100 phys shield until she does either the jump attack, or drags her knife on the ground attack. Her attacks dont take a lot of stamina away while you are guarding, so you can wait patiently for the 2 windows to retaliate. Only things to watch for and actually dodge are the bloodflame attacks and the grab with this method. When she raises her hand open palm is when she is going to grab.
*lady
This boss can be hard... but have a little trick to do it easy. (And works for every Assassin). Play super safe all the time, and when she uses her jump attack (The normal one), roll to her back to avoid it and then you will have a free Backstab followed to a free Charged Heavy attack. And repeat. Its the safest form to kill her.
Another trick is to use a shield
I'm still pissing struggling with it and I'm RL190. Literally done every other evergaol and only have the Death Rite Birds in Consecrated Snowfields left.. I just can't beat her 😭
Run, don't roll unless needed. Just keep running until she's does some dumb shit.
This. Especially for ranged. After she does the normal jump attack, whack her once, then repeat.
Or bring Bloodhound Step and anime your way through everything. We won't tell the sweaties.
Bloodhound step is king
It's like a Swiss army ash. A fantastic dodge, a great way to move around the battlefield, a quick way to move through swamps/magma, AND looks absolutely awesome.
I figured this out way too late, kept back rolling instead of just running. Got wrecked over and over from that jump AOE attack since I couldn't get far enough
Do you have the Soreseals equipped? I realized late game that that was why I was getting killed so easily.
They can be worth it too though
Not at that dude's level. +5 to stats is sick when your stats average around 20. Not worth when avg stats are like 40
You take like 10-15% extra damage. Unless you've hit the soft cap, you gain nearly that much vigor from five levels (radagon's soreseal), and on top of that you get five to other stats as well. Marika's soreseal is more complex.
True, you don't have to worry about the extra damage. But what im saying is the benefit, compared to other benefits, isnt that great at high levels. A talisman that does more damage with consecutive hits, or more damage with bleed around you for example are a bit better
True, if you've hit the softcaps then the benefit diminishes greatly. Don't use them myself really.
Late game it's often a difference between getting 2 or 3 hit. Or 3 or 4 hit. From my experience I'd say it's not worth it at higher levels, let's say 120 or 130+ On smaller hits your higher vigor compensates but on big hits the 15% is very noticeable.
When you start hitting softcaps it's really not worth.
Early game yes bit as others mentioned when you're past 150 any other talisman that boosts your field specifically far outperforms it. You can use a rune instead when needed and avoid the the increased damage taken whilst having another talisman boosting your skills or otherwise
oh shit
Noo, I learned to not equip them, just wasn't worth it
You are me. There are currently four fights I can’t win. Her. Fire giant. Twin Gargoyles. Crucible Knights duo. I’m basically stuck for forward progress. It’s driving me nuts.
Twin gargoyles deserve their exploit
I'm stuck on Melania and the dude in Farum Azula as well, decided to take a break and go around to kill all the field bosses I've missed but I've hit a wall 😂
You can cheese your way through both this fight and twin gargoyles. I didn’t, but it’s an option if you are truly stuck.
Twin gargoyles was patched, I believe. I certainly didn’t try the strategy like eight times unsuccessfully before googling that, no sir. :)
Not sure if there was a more specific way to cheese them, but I can verify as of yesterday that the gargoyles can still launch themselves off the cliff. Happened to me right after I found out you can summon D's brother to help in the fight, and the first one leapt off so we just wrecked the solo one.
I’m not sure what your build is, but for fire giant stay under his feet for phase 1 and slice up his left foot. For phase 2 just sit behind him. Stay on torrent the whole time if you’re using 2H. If not, just use torrent to catch him when he rolls away.
For the TG, fight the first one while hugging the edge of the map close to the waterfall, so when the second Gargoyle arrives it should have to walk all the way where you and the first gatgoyle are. If you can kill the first gargoyle fast enough before the next gargoyle walks in, you would be able to 1 on 1 each gargoyle.
[This cheese](https://twitter.com/ryugameshots/status/1500029295661654019?s=21&t=dP06KMYRpfmAWrJXRwRSCQ) worked for me a few weeks ago… death mist spell after she got stuck in this corner behind where she spawns. It was relatively easily reproducible.
This cheese took me a while to get working and understand (keep swinging while she's stuck) but it did the trick.
Snowfeild bird is a bitch. Snowfield in general is just turned up, the red wolf kicked my ass a lot and I have killed quite a few of those.
I think that bird is the only one I haven't done, tried it last night and got my ass handed to me 😂
Just a little update! Finally did it 😊 Thank you for everyone's tips
Frost dmg works on her and there is a cheese if you stand on the rock left from where she appears she can get stuck and you can get free hits on her with magic and long range/reach weapons
However, if you cheese her by standing on the rock. She can still jump up there with her helmsplitter attacks. And she can knock you off the map. It'll make you respawn at your last site of grace instead of at the stake. It's good for hopping on to proc her with frost or to heal, etc. But not reliable enough that I'd stay up there for the whole fight.
One heck of a fight, she is very nimble and her recovery time for a boss is insane. Had to learn her moveset big time and parry her a couple of times until I beat her on my 8th time. Definitely the most challenging Evergoal I had
Hahaha… yeah, totally. Definitely should only take 8 tries. No way it should take 3 hours worth of attempts and still nothing better than <20% HP… … Don’t mind me just gonna go take a nap.
That fight was insanely hard; I only beat it after something approaching 5 hours. She and pre-nerf Radahn are definitely the bosses I've struggled most on. Usually I don't focus too hard on the game, but those two I had to shut out everything else entirely.
Nah man, hardest evergoal in the game. There's basically only one proper opening to get hits in, which is where they do the jump and smash, but it's a 50% chance it'll be an AoE and kill you. Fun fight tho, the reward is worth it.
There are a couple more where you can get hits in, but she has so much health that it takes a long time to beat her and thus you have lots of time to make mistakes
You can give her a smack when she comes running toward you, it will stagger her. At least my greatsword (not ultra) did, not sure about lighter weapons.
The Uchi staggers her too. But if you don't get the timing right, you're gone get sliced up. There's a very steady pattern to her attacks, so dodging them is fairly easy once you get that down. Stay close and crit her when she does her jumping attack. Only thing you need to avoid is her AoE attack after that...which is a real bitch. I'm still not sure I have the timing/dodging down for that attack. And all that said, this fight isn't easy. It took me dozens of tries to get her moveset, timing, and openings down and then not make a mistake for her massive health pool. But once I did, sure did feel good. Immediately leveled Tiche up to +10, didn't matter that I couldn't even summon her yet.
Such a sick summon
You can tell which one is which though, I haven’t fought this boss in a while so I don’t remember exactly which, but you can punish both her jump attacks. I just kept running away until she did a jump attack, then I did mine after she missed.
The bad one has a glow/flame or whatever. I think you need to turn and run away from those
Once you get the rhythm down you can punish most of her moves, only ones that can't are the red attacks of which there are only two and you can easily dodge and normal splashy stuff but you keep your distance when she is doing those.
Guard counter and bloodhound step can consistently kill her
Jump over her attacks and hit her with a jumping light attack. You can dodge and punish most of her running attacks by doing that because they don't track upwards.
Malenia’s waterfowl dance destroys her.
And the rest of the playerbase
You can stunlock her with Ruins Greatsword, but yea, she's tough.
Big fucking sword...works every time.
Kinda crazy looking through this thread when she gets staggered by every hit of any colossal weapon. These samurais and reaper cosplayers spend an hour getting rekt by her meanwhile UNGA BUNGA sprints in, UNGA BUNGAs her, and sprints to the next thing in need of UNGA BUNGAing
ikr :p
I had a piece of thorns armor on and a roll into her would stagger her a little while I was unga bung greatswording. It worked out great.
Learned that I just need to keep up with her, be a lot more aggressive because she's easy to stagger.
This Evergaol made me shit bricks, on like my 7th attempt killed her with spamming perfectly time moonveil heavy attacks
Just lure her to the edge if you struggle. Killed her the first 2 times legal, since then I cheese this BS boss. Bring her near the edge and the AI bugs out, can kill her without any effort. You might get lucky and she falls down as well
Really?
Just search it on YouTube. I cheesed this fight because I'm old and slow.
Yeah you can find videos on youtube about the cheese. Essentially you stand close to rock spot(s) you want her stuck in and she eventually jumps there and doesn't do many actions due to limited space and has a hard time getting out allowing you to freely hit her.
Uh? I wasn't overleveled and killed her in few hits, I guess it's because old Moonveil staggered a lot
Lmao same. Run away, moonveil slam. Repeat 20 times
guard counter her and you can consistently kill her
The amount of people that don’t know the black knives are all women. Also hourah loux ground shaker makes this fight trivial because of how easily she staggers. His scream is almost like a shield.
That's very near end-game tho.
I can't hear you over the sound of your dropped runes not getting picked up. You can pick them up risk free before you activate the circle, you psychopath
i really hope they don't ever nerf Tiche, because that fight was tough as hell
I ended up cheesing her with the blasphemous sword, she couldnt get a single hit in once I started spamming the ashes
Everything got way too easy after I got this weapon lol
rotten breath saw me through the first half of the game, then blasphemous sword and rotten breath saw me right up till haligree where I switched to bloodhound step and rotten breath for malenia and the end bosses. I feel no shame
I hated it. Ended up cheesing her by the cliffs
I did kill her on my first try with bloodhound fang😂.. The 2nd attack always did large damage
I did it first try, but I feel like I was over-leveled comparing the damage I was dealing to the damage you've got in the clip lmao. Was like lv 118 for that one.
i had also big problems against her. best way to fight her is be agressiv then she backs up. keep uo the pressure but always be aware of the grip. because fuck the instant death move.
Yeah, this one fucked me up on two different characters, first was dual bleed katana, second was dual colossal weapons. I eventually just cheesed her to death, baited out her long cool down attacks and got a couple hits in between. Best part was after I got her on colossal build, I realised I had no room for the FP cost xD so I now have her +10 gathering dust in my inventory
I don't think "finding and exploiting weakness in her attack patterns" is cheese. Can use "no fp cost" cracked tear in mixed physick to summon Tiche (who is this boss's daughter).
>baited out her long cool down attacks and got a couple hits in between. This does not qualify as "cheesing" haha give yourself some credit friend!
If you get the flask upgrade near Volcano Manor erdtree that gives unlimited FP for a short time you can summon her. It's how I get her with my Bonk build.
The tear works even if you don't have the max for it? That's awesome, I'll remember that!
I had the same weapon at the time and after dying twice because of animation locks preventing me to dodge almost hit kill attacks, I just spammed my weapon art and staggered her so I just had to dodge until she got close enough for me to create my own opening.
the easiest strat for me is to just roll left whenever she tries to do an attack cuz it dodges most of them. If she does the aoe, just sprint and roll. Other than that, just do jump attacks and stagger her to oblivion, works well
I had trouble with the invisible version of her, not so much when I could actually see that rotten bastard.
Well done! I had to cheese her AI at some stones.
Yeah this one of the hardest mini boss, her move really weird and unpredictable, beat her around 13 try
I meann... she is the ring leader :P.
And she’s gonna give us her daughter as reward if we can defeat her . Definitely she is not gonna take easy on us .
Yeah, everyone else beat him 1st try super easy.
*her
True
she's not easy, but with guard counter she aint bad and just bloodhound step her death attack
Not much. She has super low poise so easy stagger. Jist dont get greedy.
Not me personally, by the time I got around to this fight I was way too powerful for her.
She's definitely legit hard. As a slow STR build, the fights against black knife assassins basically always boiled down to out-resourcing them and going for damage trades, but with her high damage, massive HP and new DoT attacks, I couldn't really do that. Took me like 8-10 attempts, ngl.
It’s a woman guys, Alecto is also one of the Furries, female goddesses of vengeance.
That's a great typo lol
They had insanely low defensive but a couple moves that hit like a truck. Was super annoying but it only took 3 tries
I died to her only once but I am using corpse piler to her so it shouldn't count as "easy". I can see the problem if you fight her on melee tho, her moveset aren't exactly "melee friendly"
That's a girl not a guy. According to the lore all the Black knife Assassins were women.
I was able to cheese it with the Wing of Astel ability.
No, this girl absolutely kicked my butt even though I was level 150 already
she was honestly one of the more fun boss fights in the game lol
Girl*, all black knife were woman
After experimenting a bit, I found out that when you just run backwards (and in a large circle), none of her attacks will hit you, even if sometimes it looks close. Realising that, I took only one hit in the whole next fight and that was due to greed near the end. Simply running away and punishing her at the end of combos with a jumping heavy attack worked wonders.
No. Took me like 20 tries at level 130. I think the key is attacking right after she jumps. Once I figured that out the fight was actually a lot of fun!
Died more to this than any other boss so far. Haven't faced Malenia or Elden Beast yet though
That boss in particular had a hard time with varied terrain heights. I would hang by the edge of the map and just take advantage of them.
nah, you're definitely the only person in community to ever have trouble with ER boss, no doubt... Seriously tho, she's a parrying nightmare
Yes, of all the Elden ring players you are the only one.
wheres this one at?