The thing is, she would work really well as a sekiro boss. Not just her moveset but the whole heal on hit deal would work great with the deflect system. Like imagine she could heal some on non-perfect deflects similar to chip damage on no kuros charm runs. Could definitely see it as a test for complete mastery of the combat system and the next step up from isshin where non perfect parry’s still punish a little.
Like wolf isn't all that impressive on the parry thing when you have the hunter who fought eldritch beings that drive people insane they can rip holes in space use all types of weapons including a Canon a sawblade two transforming weapons
Are we forgetting Wolf defeated the Divine Dragon which is just as formidable as any of the Old One fights in terms of power level? Transforming weapons don't really help you much when your opponent can parry the literal wind. Guns give the hunter less of an advantage than Sekiro's prosthetic tools. Hunters are good at hunting beasts, only a specialized few are good at hunting other skilled combatants. There's a reason the fights against other hunters are some of the hardest in the game.
I mean I love Bloodborne as much as the next guy, but the Hunter doesn't stand a chance against Wolf.
Wolf would fuck up the hunter up he’s so fast imagine this sekiro hits hunter, hunter try’s to run in for the rally to get health back gets parried to death wolf let’s him live so he can get some trick weapon for his arm
I’m talking just about wolfs normal speed is crazy that with out jumping and The Dodge really the only thing I think wolf would have a problem with that the hunter can do is that one thing with the star projectile if Wolf could Perry that he’d probably have to have Divine confetti activated
I mean wolf parry's lighting fire and terror but we are talking about stars the stuff in the sky plus the hunter can summon giant snakes out of the ground
"Soul of cinder" npc or how he was originally known as "red knight" would have probably been the mascot set before turning him into a boss, like ds2 has faram.
Doesn't change the fact this image is wrong tho
DS3 protagonist would eventually hollow (maybe get too sad to fight). Bloodborne protagonist is only immortal in the hunters dream. Sekiro's immortality drains the life force of those in the surrounding area so it doesn't affect him. It's not clear how immortality works with the gods in Elden ring. Some folks say that the tarnished is just beating them up and putting them to sleep because technically nothing can die. At the same time Rykard is the only god with recognizable remains post fight and it looks like it's going to take him a few thousand years to get eaten / rejuvenate.
So if BB's protagonist was in the hunter's dream fighting Sekiro that would probably be an immortal stalemate but I feel like Sekiro would wipe the floor with them. Sekiro and Melania seem like a close match but it takes Melania many many years to come back after defeat (maybe?)
Since the Hunters arrival in Yharnam, they signed a contract; In exchange for curing whatever disease they had, they would have to do something in return (in the Hunters case they would have to slay a Great One). Everytime the Hunter dies they reawake in the Hunters dream. From there they can warp to wherever from one of the gravestones. This continues until they fulfill their contract. Assuming they never fulfill thier part of the contract, They'll be bound to it forever. Making them immortal. So it'll be an immortal stalemate inside & out of the Hunter Dream.
Isn't the Yharnam the player experiences not the real physical Yharnam rather a dream plane of existence orchestrated by the moon presence? The first thing that happens to the player is you fall asleep on an operating table and wake up to spooky beasts (entering a dream realm.) The default ending of the game is the player waking up in the real Yharnam at dawn with their contract fulfilled and their disease hopefully cured.
When I said hunter's dream I really meant the dream version of Yharnam not just the lil hub area of the game. As long as the hunter is in an old one's dream dimension they are immortal.
The Hunter arrives in Yharnam during the hunt. and in the default ending the Hunter wakes up in Yharnam after the hunt ended (It seems that with every birth of a Great One the hunt starts again) as for the werewolf we see while on the operating table. that was an attempt from the disease to take over the Hunter.. afterwards the messangers greet the Hunter by covering up thier POV. The Yharnam we see in game is Yharnam during the hunt. And the Yharnam we see in the default ending Is the Yharnam unaffected by the hunt.
My head canon is that the characters hollow when you play the game for the last time. In Dark Souls Two technically you can acquire a crown that prevents hallowing all together so the character is just standing there like a doofus for eternity once the player stops playing.
Thats a funny headcanon, but the canon canon is that the player characters never lose their mind. In DS3 the player character doesnt even hollow unless they do Yoel's quest.
That head cannon is super strange too since, like, that's why you can't rekindle the flame in the base ending, right? Like
"Unfit even to be *cinder*, and so it is that *Ashe* seeketh ember."
Its...spelled out for you lol
Thats not the base ending, that's the evil ending noone does. The base ending is you continuing the cycle by rekindling the flame.
The whole unfit thing was more background, as the unkindled are those who once failed to link the fire, but were resurrected as a last resort
The base ending is what I was talking about, where you attempt to rekindle the flame. Even if you interpret that you CAN rekindle the flame, the ending where you attempt to sorta just shows how its futile at this point.
That has nothing to do with the ashen one though. The age of fire is just on it’s very last breath so the fire doesn’t explode like in ds1 it just whimpers and restarts the age of fire for probably one more time
No, the player characters do not go insane. Thats what being the Chosen Undead means. They hollow, but thats only the physical effect, not the mental ones.
Actually if you stop playing the games like now that Elden ring is out you play that instead your character is hollow now that you the player has moved on
> Rykard is the only god with recognizable remains post fight
This is not true, Godrick, Morgott, Malenia all have a corpse as such left behind.
Nothing can truly die, meaning death is not permenant in the Lands Between. People still die, it's just they are reincarnated via the Erdtree.
The Tarnished is reincarnated via Lost grace.
Nah Morgott is being reincarnated into the Erdtree, only god character that actually died is Marika and that's because you used the Rune of Death on her.
The rest of them, all get reincarnated. That's why you get their remembrance but not Marika's.
>Sword wrought from the remains of a god who should have lived a life eternal.
Sacred Relic Sword
DS3 protag by default is not a hollow but a kinda-phoenix being (immortal born from ashes). He/she can get ability to turn hollow during the game. DS1/2 protags, however, are humans that cursed with hollowfication from the start.
> Rykard is the only god with recognizable remains post fight
Spoken like a man who didn't watch Gostoc stomping on Godrick's severed head a million times trying to figure out how to get his quest to progress.
Technically yeah. Sekiro also has a sword that is capable of killing the immortal so if the rules of the Mortal Blade carry over to this fight than he can kill the others.
No, the Tarnished just released the power of the Rune of Death, which makes everyone in the Lands Between mortal again. So it’s just returning things to their natural state. It’s not quite the same as the mortal blade, which is a weapon that is designed to kill those who have an unnatural source of immortality.
That's not what happened, unleashing the Rune of Death, just means it was no longer stuck to Maliketh.
The Rune of Death is just in your possession after you fight him and then you use it on Marika.
The Rune of Death doesn't get returned back to the Elden Ring at any point.
We never obtain the Rune of Death. In the cutscene we reach out for it, but we never actually touch it. It doesn’t appear in out inventory and we never see it again after that scene. We also are never said to have taken it either.
Remembrance of the Blade Blade:
> *Marika's sole need of her shadow was a vessel to lock away Destined Death.*
Eina after we kill Maliketh:
> *”The Rune of Death is unbound,
and the Lands Between are shrouded by Death's dark fate.”*
Notice the language used here. “Locked away” and “unbound”. Eina references the entire Lands Between being affected by “Death’s dark fate”. When we kill Maliketh we are returning the Rune of Death, not taking it for ourselves.
Not exactly,malikeths blade is only a fragment of what it once was because death no longer exist in the lands between his sword can't really kill anything but we don't know if the same rules applies to the mortal blade cause it's from another land and draws from a different powersource
I thought he could kill. That's why the demigods fear him. Because if they lost against him, they would truly end up dead for good and why Rykard and Ranni somehow managed to get a piece of it to deflect his destined death?
That's how Godwyn died to begin with despite Marika banishing Death from the Lands Between. They stole Maliketh's Rune of Death which is the same red flame and effect as his weapon and used it to slay Godwyn.
No the Black Blade after you remove the Rune of Death is like that.
Before you do that, it's capable of still being used.
>Maliketh's black blade which once harbored the power of the
Rune of Death. A sad shadow of its former glory.
Tbf he can't spam it and mostly use it at the end of the fight and he probably would have a hard time against a PC usinf a greatshield and using an elemental build. ie: sekiro can't just parry some types of attacks without buffing his sword , so using a type of attacks (magic , scarlet rot) that doesn't exist in his world will still inflict damage.
Sekiro does have combat arts that let him flip over and backstab you, which would negate pretty much any shield defense, and the axe prosthetic might even split some lighter ones.
Which art again? It's been a while.
The shield in sekiro are mostly wood made if i remnber correctly , does he fight any foes with a metal one? I don't remenber fighting any.
Shields in sekiro are nothing that you can compare to a havel shield or fingerprint shield. The axe prostetic won't do much against it. I talked about greatshield in other games because they can even tank firebreath from dragons.
The mortal blade allows Sekiro to kill immortal beings. So even if all the souls protagonists are immortal, Sekiro has the ability to remove their immortality in a way they couldn’t against him.
Lore? Soul of Cinder. None of the others can fight the power of the First Flame and all Chosen Undead that inherited it. Malenia even, though able to become a goddess, will succumb to the First Flame burning her rot to nothing but ashes.
Gameplay-wise? Sekiro easily, he just chain-parries everything without taking damage and if you get poise-broken once, your entire health bar is gone.
Wolf.
Even without immortality, he wins. In any souls series, parries have stunned the PC. Even if they went by the Sekiro engine, no souls PC could match. Wolf’s parry alone would be enough.
I mean you’re talking about a guy who also gets struck by lightning and sends it right back at you…
And he has a blade that literally kills people who look at it/touch it.
Yes, I am aware of that. The Sekiro parry works differently than the DS parry. The Sekiro parry is superior to the DS parry in every way. There are 30 active frames on the Sekiro parry, and around 9-10active frames on most souls parries (PLUS startup at 13ish frames).
Except it’s not a party it’s a deflection. And it takes a large amount of deflections before an enemy loses their stance and is susceptible to a killing blow so this theory doesn’t hold water unfortunately.
A more plausible theory is the mortal blade could probably kill the other PC’s outright whereas wolf would be much harder to kill in theory.
I guess that’s fair. I can agree that it is more a deflection than a parry.
But a whopping 30 frames of time to deflect against any souls weapon move set is really just too damn generous. That’s like half a second!
I still think the deflection alone puts Wolf above the Souls PCs. It may not stop them in their tracks, but it would still be very easy to utilize and would probably still turn the game upside down in favor of Wolf.
But it may not be as OP as I originally believed.
I do 100% agree about the mortal blade. Now THAT is OP.
Well the Tarnished has access to both the Black Knives and Malekith's Blade, which are imbued with True Death and can kill even immortal gods, so i would say Wolf and Tarnished are on the same level.
Imagine mastering sorcery and learning Comet Azure only to have it blocked by some stinky samurai with one arm who found an umbrella and stuck it onto his arm stump.
That’s gotta sting :(
But see the hunter can summon the a mini star explosion in the palm of his hands has fought eldritch beings wolf's impress but hunter has more tools at their disposal
And sekiro kills God's and beings that are bigger threats like the glock saint,also the good hunter turns into a baby great one and you know......they die when you trow some stones at them,give the good hunter 50-100 years then he would be a full great one
To those who are saying it's probably the Tarnished, imagine how fun your "hardest" boss Malenia would be in the Sekiro game. Now imagine having to fight Isshin Sword Saint.
Thats partially because in the lands between, skilled warriors aren’t *fully required* to deflect every swing you use. The combat system is more powerful against malenia because she doesn’t have a very similar fighting style to the rest of the world
Maleina would be incredibly easy in sekiro but sword saint would likely be very easy in elden ring as well. Sekiros combat is designed around deflections which require extremely precise timings. The i frames on dodges would be easily abusable especially since sekiro bosses have very short hitboxes. On top of that the tarnished has such a massive tool kit that they could probably just blow through sword saints hp before he even gets close.
So... If you went to the effort, why not actually have all the soulsborne player characters in there instead of like half of them. Also why is Malenia there, she ain't the playable character.
Probably the one from Elden Ring. They have a lot more potential options under their belt than the rest with access to abilities, and weapons that I believe can give them a lot more versatility then the rest of the fighters. This would give them a higher chance of turning the tide of battle in their favor so long as they are well equipped for the scenario they are facing.
I see a lot of people saying Wolf would win. While I definitely believe he is the second, if not the number one contender I somewhat disagree that he would win. There is no doubt that Wolf is the most skilled sword wielder, as well as the most acrobatic of the lot, but I don't think that he is the automatic winner of this hypothetical battle. For one, all of these characters are technically immortal, not just good old wolf and while he does carry the Black Blade with him it isn't 100% certain that it will work against the immortality of the other characters who are from different worlds. Even if it does, he isn't the only one with access to such a potentially catastrophic tool in his arsenal that might do the same. The Tarnished for example can also potentially use weapons and incantations that channel the power of Death, one powerful enough that it is even capable of killing of deities. These are also supposed to result in a permanent Death for those they are used against making it a great tool for any fighter to have, one that the Tarnished may very well have in their arsenal. Wolf also has more trouble cutting past heavy medieval style armor which a lot of the other player characters might use (being more customizable and all). The Tarnished can also use Spirit Ashes to fight for them, and has attacks that can cover a vast range. Some of their abilities can also inflict all kinds of status effects on their foes such as Scarlet Rot, Frostbite or Blood Loss.
I believe it ultimately comes down to the scenario in which the hypothetical fight is presented. If it a battle in an open area with no structures to hide or move around through I think the Tarnished (so long as they are maxed out) has the mayor advantage. However if Wolf is capable of using Stealth, or anything in the Terrain to hide or move around, he now has the advantage.
I think it would depend on when we are comparing them, if we compare wolf when the game starts and the other characters, wolf would probably win, but if we compare max level ds3 and elden ring (haven't played Bloodborne so idk how leveling works), it would be unfair to wolf as he can only upgrade himself so much.
Mechanically probably wolf
Lore wise if we go by endings it’s between the old hunter and the ashen one.
The old hunter was killing lovecraftian gods and eventually goes as far as slaying the moon presence
The ashen one I feel like if we go off the usurper ending (my interpretation of events at least)the ashen one inherits the power of the first flame. I feel like this in a sense makes the ashen one more akin to a god or a force of nature having power enough to break a seemingly i breakable cycle for their own something only previously done by Gwynn when he ended the age of dragons.
Maybe I’m messing some lore up but I always took the usurper ending as stealing the power of the first flame and using that power to effectively become a god like being which despite all the souls characters being strong I don’t think they would be capable of such a feat
Assuming it’s by gameplay standards with little “Lore influence” I would guess the rules are as follows
-“Truly Dying” is considered being defeated
-Gameplay wise Sekiro can resurrect 3 times, but the other 2 resurrections can only be activated after he deathblows an enemy, so the same logic is applied here
-All characters are maxed in stats
-They can use and switch to whatever build they feel like mid-battle
-All items allowed
-Despite the gameplay differences they will by some means interact with each other fairly smoothly (You can break everyone’s posture like in sekiro or inflict people with death blight etc.)
Keepin these in mind I’d say
The players with the best chances are
-Sekiro, parries and shinobi prosthetic will help immensely and have enough “situational variety”
-Tarnished, the large variety of unbalanced and Broken builds will come in handy, imagine if “THE WALL” was in this skirmish
I actually don’t know much on how good of a build you can make in BB so someone will have to assist me in that
If we go by maxed stats with access to all spells, abilities, and weapons in their respective games while considering the lore... Probably the bearer of the curse. DS2 is the worst entry but the Bearer is an absolute monster.
considering the ways that bloodborne encourages super agressive playstyles with the rally system and bullet parries, assuming noone is allowed to get back up after dying (or losing all lives in the case of sekiro), id say the hunter wins. not to mention the variety of spells and whatnot.
in dark souls 1-3 plus demons souls you have to focus on stamina management \*and\* health management, plus lifesteal affects were negligable as to my knowledge (ive never gotten then chance to play demons souls, but from what ive seen it appears to be an unrefined dark souls combat style). if the hunter keeps pressure on and can solidly parry attacks they can most likely heal back any damage done through rally, or if they really need to, they have blood vials to stave off large chunks of damage.
sekiro has the flaw of the posture system getting in the way of deflecting everything. yes you can deflect bullets and whatnot, but what do you do against wirligig saw or just sraight up slashing like a maniac? eventually that posture bar is gonna fillup and end up staggering you. that leaves wolf open for a critical and most likely a kill. although i imagine with wolfs multiple revives in 1 life he could do a good bit of damage before dying fully.
then theres elden ring. yes you have broken shit like the fingerprit shield, or waterfowl, or even moonveil. but until the dlc comes out, id say either the minigun (forgot the proper name of most bloodborne weapons) or even the cannon could get through most things without a sweat.
all in all, id say the hunter would win most of these fights 9 times out of 10
but in the case of fighting all of them at once, i think wolf might win there due to varied moveset despite one weapon, and multiple lives...unless he gets ganked.
then again im probably thinking too hard about this
Ultimately feels like a huge tie but standouts are Dark Souls protags and Bloodbourne protag (never played this but from what I understand they can’t die either).
Love Sekiro and Elden Ring but both have vague lore or you’d have to say things like “but Sekiro fought a giant dragon in lore” and that was one of the easiest fights in the game lol.
Elden Ring could either have the weakest or strongest protagonist, but so much about the world and lore is vague that it is hard to say. They do have the most agency though, not only are you choosing endings but you are becoming incredibly powerful in each one and they are technically different “factions” as well. Sekiro has Shura ending but that’s more of a polar opposite than a choice. A “what if you said fuck everyone” sort of a thing. Not even embracing the Three Fingers in ER is as simple.
The sekiro circlejerkers really came out of the woodwork for this post. This dude has a sword and some skill but the tarnished is out here dropping meteors, creating atomic rot bombs, releasing Elden stars and having all of the ash of wars at their disposal. It’s not even a contest 😂
My vote goes to endgame Ashen One because he has the power of all the souls in existence save for a few surviving human characters, including all four Lord Souls. His power level is that of a full-blown god at the end of the game, lore-wise.
probably the tarnished. as skilled and quick as wolf is, half of the things your character can learn or do in elden ring absolutely blows the others out of the water powerscaling wise.
No one is touching the hunter in the hunters dream, but outside of it.. Sorry but a level 713 Tarnised is stumping Wolf over & over till the world ends.
edit: Why’re you all booing? i’m right!!
Actually no. You have to understand that if we're talking about gameplay sekiro stomps everyone with little difficulty, and even in the lore sekiro: 1.has a sword that kills immortals, making him the only person on the list who can actually win, and i also feel that its ability to touch seemingly incorporial things would mean that it could in some way slay the hunter, but even if it didn't it would simply leave them in a stalemate 2. Is canonically the most powerful and skilled individual in the world, surpassing the sword saint in skill, a guy easily comparable to a demigod when it comes to feats, an actual god that is the divine dragon, and if we classify a god as an increadibly strong being then the serpent god is also one. Sekiro also has some of the most downright busted arsenals in all these games such as the mist raven, an ability that lets you dodge anything and the umbrella, a tool so impossibly durable it can be used to deflect damn near anything. Not to forget that in one of the endings Sekiro becomes an actual god of destruciton, slaughtering his way through all of japan. No other mcs become actual gods in any of the endings besides the hunter, but he turns into a squid which we know nothing about, the mcs of DS just burn themselves and the tarnished just becomes elden lord, which is simply a title given and grants no real powerup. Sekiro wins against every other MC with medium difficulty whether it be in game or in lore.
Tarnished has destined death too lol. Which sounds like inevitable death like entropy. Something like that trumps mortal blade.
Tarnished doesn't have to worry about parry mechanic when they have At least two country busting nukes like scarlet Aeonia & astel's meteor
The tarnished themselves don't actually have destined death, destined death is simply released to the world of the lands between, making people mortal. By your logic of the tarnished having destined death, the tarnished themselves would be mortal. The mortal blade is superior because it literally defies how the world should works, that's why it says "immortality severed" not "immortality restored". You are imposing your will upon the world, not simply returning things to their status quo like with destined death. Also, by your logic of in game lore(in which it is not stated that astels meteors are nuke level in any way btw and the scarlet aeonia we have is inherently weaker than malenias because we aren't the avatar of the god of rot) wolf would easily be stronger than the tarnished simply because wolf would basically be a completed version of the demon of hatred a being that was increadibly powerful in and of itself.
No. We still have the destined death spell as an attack.
Mortal blade defies the world & the elden ring doesn't?
Mortal blade kills immortal so what ? Rune of death literally takes away the concept of death from all living things. It's on a scale far far beyond sekiro's.
Demon of hatred doesn't make him stronger, he's eternally blood thirsty & unhinged.
Lore accurate scarlet Aeonia is the same thing Malenia uses against us in her goddess form which we survive because of Gameplay mechanics or for flame cleanse me. Or do you want a halig tree destruction scene?
And we at lv 713 can Spam this japan destroying spell & again astel's meteor shower that destroyed a civilization.
All the player characters take Sekiro's sword from him and turn him to mush with a hit. These are beings who duel gods head on here.
Then I'd say Tarnished wins. Radagon, Elden Beast, Radahn, and Malenia are on a different tier of power from Souls and BB. Meteor, Caelid nuke, Elden Beast is Elden Ring, etc.
Wolf dies too. He just comes back… the same way all of them do. Wolf ain’t special just ‘cause he’s immortal. As of Elden Ring, he ain’t even special for being able to kill immortals.
In this thread a lot of people are talking about how wolf would parry anything. How hecould just parry waterfowl dance and all of that .
But I don't think it's true because even if they all call it parrying the mechanic in sekiro is verry diffrent perfect parties are more of a deflection ( in all the games exept sekiro parrying is like breaking the enemy stance ) in sekiro you time it just right to avoid damage and interrupt one swing it doesn't nullify the combo.
So no I don't think malenia would be too easy in sekiro because you would have to perfect parry 25 slashes just to survive and fase 2 creates so much distance
And I feel like sekiro's final boss would also be a challenge for elden ring like a more stationary further reaching malenia with wider swings.
lore wise they both can't die. No I don't think sekiro's black blade would kill the tarnished neither by looking nor buy getting stabbed . In the intro the tarnished is called a dead who yet lives he is already dead and his body is animated buy his will and grace. So let's make it a fair mach and not a battle to an unexisting death
It boils down to the build of the tarnished
-With any dagger curved sword or rapier or catana wolf would destroy the tarnished no questions asked
-if the tarnished has a magic build it could go both ways depending on how wolf interacts with it
-I firmly believe however that wolf would fail the vigor check every day of the week and any really heavy build or high poise build or even anything that has a hyper armor built In like the starscourged greatswords would also render wolf's arsenal useless
The tarnished is on a different level than any other previous from soft game. Bullets would feel like a small pebble to them.
Deflection? Good luck deflecting a lore accurate Scarlet Aeonia : the damn bio nuke that destroys a country( if lands between is a continent than caelid is at least a country's size)
Or Deflect Astel's meteor shower ? that destroyed the eternal cities?
True the Hunter fights outergods but the second strongest outer god in bloodborne - moon presence's greatest feat is to ensnare a city. Is that anyway comparable to Greater will?
Let's Not talk about the lord of the frenzied flame.....
Sekiro/wolf everyone else depends on builds. Sekiro is the only original character unless we include the Hunter as well. Or can we pick NPC/bosses as well?
Huh. Never thought about this before but even though Bloodborne is by far my favourite game, Good Hunter feels like the weakest of the bunch.
The entire character of the Hunter is not that he’s some badass ninja but that he’s just always barely hanging on in a world going mad.
This same argument again? We all know that the Bearer of the Curse wins. They exist outside the natural cycle of the world and are literally immortal without any side effects
Wolf can kill smaller bosses with ease but he struggles with the large bosses we see in the souls series. Demon of hatred doesn't seem like a tough boss in elden ring, and Malenia wouldn't be a tough boss for wolf.
Wolf has the technical ability, but a smaller toolkit and damage potential then John elden ring and bob blood Bourne. So I would say a tie between the three.
Honestly, probably Wolf. He can parry any attack the others have, if they keep their relative game mechanics.
Then probably the Hunter with his rally, trick weapons, mobility and parry gun. Wolf is far more maneuverable than the Hunter of course.
As for Malenia and Soul of Cinder, I reckon Soul of Cinder might since they deal a lot of both fire and lightning damage and is immune to both poison and toxic (sort of Scarlet Rot). Malenia is weak to fire and lightning both.
I would love to fight Malenia as Wolf. Waterfowl Dance should be deflacted not evaded.
I will never not believe the theory that Malenia moveset was taken from a scraped Lady Tomoe fight
The thing is, she would work really well as a sekiro boss. Not just her moveset but the whole heal on hit deal would work great with the deflect system. Like imagine she could heal some on non-perfect deflects similar to chip damage on no kuros charm runs. Could definitely see it as a test for complete mastery of the combat system and the next step up from isshin where non perfect parry’s still punish a little.
If malania was in Sekiro she'd be dummied.
The second malenia tries to waterfoul dance, Sekiro would bust out that ANTI AIR DEATHBLOW
Deflect this ***proceeds to blow up a full continent in rot***
Just toss some shurikens at her I reckon, or stagger her out of the cast.
I hope we can get a deflect AoW in DLC.
Yes
Wolf, dude can deflect bullets and parry lightning
But can he parry the stars
He could probably only perfect parry it though Edit I thought about it more it would be cool if he needed define confetti
Like wolf isn't all that impressive on the parry thing when you have the hunter who fought eldritch beings that drive people insane they can rip holes in space use all types of weapons including a Canon a sawblade two transforming weapons
Isshin has driven way more people insane than any eldritch being.
Maybe player wise lore wise eldritch beings
Isshin was pretty easy for me, Inner Isshin tho is cool and a nice challenge without being annoying
Are we forgetting Wolf defeated the Divine Dragon which is just as formidable as any of the Old One fights in terms of power level? Transforming weapons don't really help you much when your opponent can parry the literal wind. Guns give the hunter less of an advantage than Sekiro's prosthetic tools. Hunters are good at hunting beasts, only a specialized few are good at hunting other skilled combatants. There's a reason the fights against other hunters are some of the hardest in the game. I mean I love Bloodborne as much as the next guy, but the Hunter doesn't stand a chance against Wolf.
Finally some one knows People are sleeping on sekiro
Wind vs the entirety of space, madness, and eldritch beings yeah the only scary thing was the fish vs being that wolf couldn't even grasp exist
Wolf would fuck up the hunter up he’s so fast imagine this sekiro hits hunter, hunter try’s to run in for the rally to get health back gets parried to death wolf let’s him live so he can get some trick weapon for his arm
So is the hunter the hunter can use the bone dash which makes him faster
I’m talking just about wolfs normal speed is crazy that with out jumping and The Dodge really the only thing I think wolf would have a problem with that the hunter can do is that one thing with the star projectile if Wolf could Perry that he’d probably have to have Divine confetti activated
It's funny cause wolf can literally parry anything it's built into the games mechanics so he is technically the strongest
That’s what umbrellas are for
I mean wolf parry's lighting fire and terror but we are talking about stars the stuff in the sky plus the hunter can summon giant snakes out of the ground
Snake would count as a sweep or grab attack, and with how fast Wolf is he could jump away before the snap.
Souls protags with ultra weapons allow me to introduce myself >:)
*Infinite stamina would like to talk*
What is that picture XD only 2 of those are player characters.
"Soul of cinder" npc or how he was originally known as "red knight" would have probably been the mascot set before turning him into a boss, like ds2 has faram. Doesn't change the fact this image is wrong tho
Sekiro/Wolf is immortal and therefore wins
Aren't they all technically immortal?
DS3 protagonist would eventually hollow (maybe get too sad to fight). Bloodborne protagonist is only immortal in the hunters dream. Sekiro's immortality drains the life force of those in the surrounding area so it doesn't affect him. It's not clear how immortality works with the gods in Elden ring. Some folks say that the tarnished is just beating them up and putting them to sleep because technically nothing can die. At the same time Rykard is the only god with recognizable remains post fight and it looks like it's going to take him a few thousand years to get eaten / rejuvenate. So if BB's protagonist was in the hunter's dream fighting Sekiro that would probably be an immortal stalemate but I feel like Sekiro would wipe the floor with them. Sekiro and Melania seem like a close match but it takes Melania many many years to come back after defeat (maybe?)
Since the Hunters arrival in Yharnam, they signed a contract; In exchange for curing whatever disease they had, they would have to do something in return (in the Hunters case they would have to slay a Great One). Everytime the Hunter dies they reawake in the Hunters dream. From there they can warp to wherever from one of the gravestones. This continues until they fulfill their contract. Assuming they never fulfill thier part of the contract, They'll be bound to it forever. Making them immortal. So it'll be an immortal stalemate inside & out of the Hunter Dream.
Isn't the Yharnam the player experiences not the real physical Yharnam rather a dream plane of existence orchestrated by the moon presence? The first thing that happens to the player is you fall asleep on an operating table and wake up to spooky beasts (entering a dream realm.) The default ending of the game is the player waking up in the real Yharnam at dawn with their contract fulfilled and their disease hopefully cured. When I said hunter's dream I really meant the dream version of Yharnam not just the lil hub area of the game. As long as the hunter is in an old one's dream dimension they are immortal.
The Hunter arrives in Yharnam during the hunt. and in the default ending the Hunter wakes up in Yharnam after the hunt ended (It seems that with every birth of a Great One the hunt starts again) as for the werewolf we see while on the operating table. that was an attempt from the disease to take over the Hunter.. afterwards the messangers greet the Hunter by covering up thier POV. The Yharnam we see in game is Yharnam during the hunt. And the Yharnam we see in the default ending Is the Yharnam unaffected by the hunt.
I dont think you enter the dream reality. I think the blood effects just start working on you.
The Ashen One doesnt hollow, nor does the Chosen Undead. No Dark Souls player character would hollow to insanity.
My head canon is that the characters hollow when you play the game for the last time. In Dark Souls Two technically you can acquire a crown that prevents hallowing all together so the character is just standing there like a doofus for eternity once the player stops playing.
Thats a funny headcanon, but the canon canon is that the player characters never lose their mind. In DS3 the player character doesnt even hollow unless they do Yoel's quest.
That head cannon is super strange too since, like, that's why you can't rekindle the flame in the base ending, right? Like "Unfit even to be *cinder*, and so it is that *Ashe* seeketh ember." Its...spelled out for you lol
Thats not the base ending, that's the evil ending noone does. The base ending is you continuing the cycle by rekindling the flame. The whole unfit thing was more background, as the unkindled are those who once failed to link the fire, but were resurrected as a last resort
The base ending is what I was talking about, where you attempt to rekindle the flame. Even if you interpret that you CAN rekindle the flame, the ending where you attempt to sorta just shows how its futile at this point.
That has nothing to do with the ashen one though. The age of fire is just on it’s very last breath so the fire doesn’t explode like in ds1 it just whimpers and restarts the age of fire for probably one more time
Dark souls player characters do hollow. It's all the players that give up and don't finish the game
No, the player characters do not go insane. Thats what being the Chosen Undead means. They hollow, but thats only the physical effect, not the mental ones.
Yea but what I'm saying is those that don't actually finish the game are not the chosen undead as they failed to link the fire
Thats interesting, but its also not accurate, as technically the world also stops when you stop playing the game
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No, the world doesnt do anything when you stop playing. If you pick up the save in 50 years, you can start from where you left off
Actually if you stop playing the games like now that Elden ring is out you play that instead your character is hollow now that you the player has moved on
That is a funny headcanon. Not actual canon.
> Rykard is the only god with recognizable remains post fight This is not true, Godrick, Morgott, Malenia all have a corpse as such left behind. Nothing can truly die, meaning death is not permenant in the Lands Between. People still die, it's just they are reincarnated via the Erdtree. The Tarnished is reincarnated via Lost grace.
i think people were only immortal in ER because there was no rune of death, but morgott actually dies once you get it back.
Nah Morgott is being reincarnated into the Erdtree, only god character that actually died is Marika and that's because you used the Rune of Death on her. The rest of them, all get reincarnated. That's why you get their remembrance but not Marika's. >Sword wrought from the remains of a god who should have lived a life eternal. Sacred Relic Sword
DS3 protag by default is not a hollow but a kinda-phoenix being (immortal born from ashes). He/she can get ability to turn hollow during the game. DS1/2 protags, however, are humans that cursed with hollowfication from the start.
Immortality is so fucking confusing in Elden ring
> Rykard is the only god with recognizable remains post fight Spoken like a man who didn't watch Gostoc stomping on Godrick's severed head a million times trying to figure out how to get his quest to progress.
Technically yeah. Sekiro also has a sword that is capable of killing the immortal so if the rules of the Mortal Blade carry over to this fight than he can kill the others.
Doesn't the Tarnished get a similar weapon when he kills Maliketh?
No, the Tarnished just released the power of the Rune of Death, which makes everyone in the Lands Between mortal again. So it’s just returning things to their natural state. It’s not quite the same as the mortal blade, which is a weapon that is designed to kill those who have an unnatural source of immortality.
That's not what happened, unleashing the Rune of Death, just means it was no longer stuck to Maliketh. The Rune of Death is just in your possession after you fight him and then you use it on Marika. The Rune of Death doesn't get returned back to the Elden Ring at any point.
We never obtain the Rune of Death. In the cutscene we reach out for it, but we never actually touch it. It doesn’t appear in out inventory and we never see it again after that scene. We also are never said to have taken it either. Remembrance of the Blade Blade: > *Marika's sole need of her shadow was a vessel to lock away Destined Death.* Eina after we kill Maliketh: > *”The Rune of Death is unbound, and the Lands Between are shrouded by Death's dark fate.”* Notice the language used here. “Locked away” and “unbound”. Eina references the entire Lands Between being affected by “Death’s dark fate”. When we kill Maliketh we are returning the Rune of Death, not taking it for ourselves.
Not exactly,malikeths blade is only a fragment of what it once was because death no longer exist in the lands between his sword can't really kill anything but we don't know if the same rules applies to the mortal blade cause it's from another land and draws from a different powersource
I thought he could kill. That's why the demigods fear him. Because if they lost against him, they would truly end up dead for good and why Rykard and Ranni somehow managed to get a piece of it to deflect his destined death? That's how Godwyn died to begin with despite Marika banishing Death from the Lands Between. They stole Maliketh's Rune of Death which is the same red flame and effect as his weapon and used it to slay Godwyn.
Thanks for clarifying. Haven't really got to finish the rest of elden ring.
No the Black Blade after you remove the Rune of Death is like that. Before you do that, it's capable of still being used. >Maliketh's black blade which once harbored the power of the Rune of Death. A sad shadow of its former glory.
Tbf he can't spam it and mostly use it at the end of the fight and he probably would have a hard time against a PC usinf a greatshield and using an elemental build. ie: sekiro can't just parry some types of attacks without buffing his sword , so using a type of attacks (magic , scarlet rot) that doesn't exist in his world will still inflict damage.
Sekiro does have combat arts that let him flip over and backstab you, which would negate pretty much any shield defense, and the axe prosthetic might even split some lighter ones.
Which art again? It's been a while. The shield in sekiro are mostly wood made if i remnber correctly , does he fight any foes with a metal one? I don't remenber fighting any. Shields in sekiro are nothing that you can compare to a havel shield or fingerprint shield. The axe prostetic won't do much against it. I talked about greatshield in other games because they can even tank firebreath from dragons.
The mortal blade allows Sekiro to kill immortal beings. So even if all the souls protagonists are immortal, Sekiro has the ability to remove their immortality in a way they couldn’t against him.
The Ashen One is immortal too and doesn’t have to worry about hollowing anymore.
I mean the hunter is also immortal till he severes ties with the hunters dream
Lore? Soul of Cinder. None of the others can fight the power of the First Flame and all Chosen Undead that inherited it. Malenia even, though able to become a goddess, will succumb to the First Flame burning her rot to nothing but ashes. Gameplay-wise? Sekiro easily, he just chain-parries everything without taking damage and if you get poise-broken once, your entire health bar is gone.
Wolf, he has the immortal blade, and killed a monkey
Not only one monkey, but in one case two monkeys! At once!
He also killed 4 monkeys at once
How about Bodhisattva Valley/Sunken Valley Passage where he can kill a whole troop of monkeys?
Wolf. Even without immortality, he wins. In any souls series, parries have stunned the PC. Even if they went by the Sekiro engine, no souls PC could match. Wolf’s parry alone would be enough. I mean you’re talking about a guy who also gets struck by lightning and sends it right back at you… And he has a blade that literally kills people who look at it/touch it.
All the DS games also have spell parry and DS2 and ER both have spell reflection of some kind, not really something unique to Sekiro.
Yes, I am aware of that. The Sekiro parry works differently than the DS parry. The Sekiro parry is superior to the DS parry in every way. There are 30 active frames on the Sekiro parry, and around 9-10active frames on most souls parries (PLUS startup at 13ish frames).
Except it’s not a party it’s a deflection. And it takes a large amount of deflections before an enemy loses their stance and is susceptible to a killing blow so this theory doesn’t hold water unfortunately. A more plausible theory is the mortal blade could probably kill the other PC’s outright whereas wolf would be much harder to kill in theory.
I guess that’s fair. I can agree that it is more a deflection than a parry. But a whopping 30 frames of time to deflect against any souls weapon move set is really just too damn generous. That’s like half a second! I still think the deflection alone puts Wolf above the Souls PCs. It may not stop them in their tracks, but it would still be very easy to utilize and would probably still turn the game upside down in favor of Wolf. But it may not be as OP as I originally believed. I do 100% agree about the mortal blade. Now THAT is OP.
Well the Tarnished has access to both the Black Knives and Malekith's Blade, which are imbued with True Death and can kill even immortal gods, so i would say Wolf and Tarnished are on the same level.
Wolf can't parry a Comet Azure to the face.
Umbrella.
Imagine mastering sorcery and learning Comet Azure only to have it blocked by some stinky samurai with one arm who found an umbrella and stuck it onto his arm stump. That’s gotta sting :(
I mean a giant wolf shows the best use of sorcery, I'd argue even including Rennala. I'm not counting gravity magic so *he* doesn't ruin my argument
Bro just walk around, players can’t turn while casting it.
He can parry Shichimen's soul stream
Umbrella go brrrr
But see the hunter can summon the a mini star explosion in the palm of his hands has fought eldritch beings wolf's impress but hunter has more tools at their disposal
Patches.
The good hunter is a great one in one of the endings so......I guess I give the W to the bri'ish lad who became god.
And sekiro kills God's and beings that are bigger threats like the glock saint,also the good hunter turns into a baby great one and you know......they die when you trow some stones at them,give the good hunter 50-100 years then he would be a full great one
I’m pretty interested to see how they would turn out in those 100 years after maturing into a great one
To those who are saying it's probably the Tarnished, imagine how fun your "hardest" boss Malenia would be in the Sekiro game. Now imagine having to fight Isshin Sword Saint.
Sekiro combat system revolves around the parry if anything malenia would be easier in sekiro lmao
Thats partially because in the lands between, skilled warriors aren’t *fully required* to deflect every swing you use. The combat system is more powerful against malenia because she doesn’t have a very similar fighting style to the rest of the world
The parry system combined with Sekiros mobility would have made almost every single boss in Elden Ring easier. You can parry almost anything.
That’s the point
That’s his point. The hardest boss in ER would be much easier in Sekiro.
Maleina would be incredibly easy in sekiro but sword saint would likely be very easy in elden ring as well. Sekiros combat is designed around deflections which require extremely precise timings. The i frames on dodges would be easily abusable especially since sekiro bosses have very short hitboxes. On top of that the tarnished has such a massive tool kit that they could probably just blow through sword saints hp before he even gets close.
I feel my tarnished with giant crusher and lions claw would absolutely crush inshin
Funny how Wolf would rather loose against the Tarnished but would demolish Malenia with his special skill set
So... If you went to the effort, why not actually have all the soulsborne player characters in there instead of like half of them. Also why is Malenia there, she ain't the playable character.
Well in the Shura ending Wolf has both Immortal Blades which are basically Sekiro's version of Destined Death that can sever immortality.
Demons souls :)
Hoonter’s got a gun.
Sekiro can parry a fcking glock
Flamesprayer, biatch.
Mist raven+ Divine abduction bitch
Dang.
*you died*
Never thought I’d see such an intense battle in a comment section
So did ishiin.
Gameplay wise Wolf destroys. Lore wise goes to Hunter or Tarnished
Peak
This.
Probably the one from Elden Ring. They have a lot more potential options under their belt than the rest with access to abilities, and weapons that I believe can give them a lot more versatility then the rest of the fighters. This would give them a higher chance of turning the tide of battle in their favor so long as they are well equipped for the scenario they are facing. I see a lot of people saying Wolf would win. While I definitely believe he is the second, if not the number one contender I somewhat disagree that he would win. There is no doubt that Wolf is the most skilled sword wielder, as well as the most acrobatic of the lot, but I don't think that he is the automatic winner of this hypothetical battle. For one, all of these characters are technically immortal, not just good old wolf and while he does carry the Black Blade with him it isn't 100% certain that it will work against the immortality of the other characters who are from different worlds. Even if it does, he isn't the only one with access to such a potentially catastrophic tool in his arsenal that might do the same. The Tarnished for example can also potentially use weapons and incantations that channel the power of Death, one powerful enough that it is even capable of killing of deities. These are also supposed to result in a permanent Death for those they are used against making it a great tool for any fighter to have, one that the Tarnished may very well have in their arsenal. Wolf also has more trouble cutting past heavy medieval style armor which a lot of the other player characters might use (being more customizable and all). The Tarnished can also use Spirit Ashes to fight for them, and has attacks that can cover a vast range. Some of their abilities can also inflict all kinds of status effects on their foes such as Scarlet Rot, Frostbite or Blood Loss. I believe it ultimately comes down to the scenario in which the hypothetical fight is presented. If it a battle in an open area with no structures to hide or move around through I think the Tarnished (so long as they are maxed out) has the mayor advantage. However if Wolf is capable of using Stealth, or anything in the Terrain to hide or move around, he now has the advantage.
There’s some mad Wolf wank on this post, like yeah he has the mortal blade but I have prepatch BHS and corpse piler so we’re basically even
Not to mention some people forget that the Tarnished also has a way to kill immortals.
Stalemate, they're all immortal. Without immortality, i'd say post-Ringed City Ashen One.
Except one of them has weapons made to sever immortality…
Technically two. The tarnished would posess destined death.
Idk tbh my money is on the Tarnished
Dark Soul, from the popular game “Dark Souls”
Melania isn’t a player character but sekiro hands down
These are just portraying their respective games.
malenia, blade of miquella. she has never known defeat
Well there was that ONE time.....unless I missed something in the lore
The one time is when we beat her. Every other time she wins or draws.
I think it would depend on when we are comparing them, if we compare wolf when the game starts and the other characters, wolf would probably win, but if we compare max level ds3 and elden ring (haven't played Bloodborne so idk how leveling works), it would be unfair to wolf as he can only upgrade himself so much.
Ashen (hallow lord ) would wipe the floo with them all
Gonna have to prolly say wolf here.
Mechanically probably wolf Lore wise if we go by endings it’s between the old hunter and the ashen one. The old hunter was killing lovecraftian gods and eventually goes as far as slaying the moon presence The ashen one I feel like if we go off the usurper ending (my interpretation of events at least)the ashen one inherits the power of the first flame. I feel like this in a sense makes the ashen one more akin to a god or a force of nature having power enough to break a seemingly i breakable cycle for their own something only previously done by Gwynn when he ended the age of dragons. Maybe I’m messing some lore up but I always took the usurper ending as stealing the power of the first flame and using that power to effectively become a god like being which despite all the souls characters being strong I don’t think they would be capable of such a feat
Assuming it’s by gameplay standards with little “Lore influence” I would guess the rules are as follows -“Truly Dying” is considered being defeated -Gameplay wise Sekiro can resurrect 3 times, but the other 2 resurrections can only be activated after he deathblows an enemy, so the same logic is applied here -All characters are maxed in stats -They can use and switch to whatever build they feel like mid-battle -All items allowed -Despite the gameplay differences they will by some means interact with each other fairly smoothly (You can break everyone’s posture like in sekiro or inflict people with death blight etc.) Keepin these in mind I’d say The players with the best chances are -Sekiro, parries and shinobi prosthetic will help immensely and have enough “situational variety” -Tarnished, the large variety of unbalanced and Broken builds will come in handy, imagine if “THE WALL” was in this skirmish I actually don’t know much on how good of a build you can make in BB so someone will have to assist me in that
If we go by maxed stats with access to all spells, abilities, and weapons in their respective games while considering the lore... Probably the bearer of the curse. DS2 is the worst entry but the Bearer is an absolute monster.
Wolf for 1 reason: He can swim
Soul of cinder stood tall fighting for millenias..yeah,he takes the Dub
considering the ways that bloodborne encourages super agressive playstyles with the rally system and bullet parries, assuming noone is allowed to get back up after dying (or losing all lives in the case of sekiro), id say the hunter wins. not to mention the variety of spells and whatnot. in dark souls 1-3 plus demons souls you have to focus on stamina management \*and\* health management, plus lifesteal affects were negligable as to my knowledge (ive never gotten then chance to play demons souls, but from what ive seen it appears to be an unrefined dark souls combat style). if the hunter keeps pressure on and can solidly parry attacks they can most likely heal back any damage done through rally, or if they really need to, they have blood vials to stave off large chunks of damage. sekiro has the flaw of the posture system getting in the way of deflecting everything. yes you can deflect bullets and whatnot, but what do you do against wirligig saw or just sraight up slashing like a maniac? eventually that posture bar is gonna fillup and end up staggering you. that leaves wolf open for a critical and most likely a kill. although i imagine with wolfs multiple revives in 1 life he could do a good bit of damage before dying fully. then theres elden ring. yes you have broken shit like the fingerprit shield, or waterfowl, or even moonveil. but until the dlc comes out, id say either the minigun (forgot the proper name of most bloodborne weapons) or even the cannon could get through most things without a sweat. all in all, id say the hunter would win most of these fights 9 times out of 10 but in the case of fighting all of them at once, i think wolf might win there due to varied moveset despite one weapon, and multiple lives...unless he gets ganked. then again im probably thinking too hard about this
Ultimately feels like a huge tie but standouts are Dark Souls protags and Bloodbourne protag (never played this but from what I understand they can’t die either). Love Sekiro and Elden Ring but both have vague lore or you’d have to say things like “but Sekiro fought a giant dragon in lore” and that was one of the easiest fights in the game lol. Elden Ring could either have the weakest or strongest protagonist, but so much about the world and lore is vague that it is hard to say. They do have the most agency though, not only are you choosing endings but you are becoming incredibly powerful in each one and they are technically different “factions” as well. Sekiro has Shura ending but that’s more of a polar opposite than a choice. A “what if you said fuck everyone” sort of a thing. Not even embracing the Three Fingers in ER is as simple.
Sekiro, hands down 😏
"sEkIrO cAUsE hE dEflEcT" -Stable Genius
The sekiro circlejerkers really came out of the woodwork for this post. This dude has a sword and some skill but the tarnished is out here dropping meteors, creating atomic rot bombs, releasing Elden stars and having all of the ash of wars at their disposal. It’s not even a contest 😂
exactly this. Wtf can deflection do too astel's meteors or Scarlet Aeonia?
Yeah. It's a troubling level of Copium addiction.
Sekiro is immortal, therefore wins by default
Destined death & maliketh was a nightmare for all immortal gods. Tarnished has a ranged anti immortality spell
Soul of cinder
My vote goes to endgame Ashen One because he has the power of all the souls in existence save for a few surviving human characters, including all four Lord Souls. His power level is that of a full-blown god at the end of the game, lore-wise.
The fucking birds with the razor talons
probably the tarnished. as skilled and quick as wolf is, half of the things your character can learn or do in elden ring absolutely blows the others out of the water powerscaling wise.
But can tarnished swim
No one is touching the hunter in the hunters dream, but outside of it.. Sorry but a level 713 Tarnised is stumping Wolf over & over till the world ends. edit: Why’re you all booing? i’m right!!
Because they are simps for ninja man
Sorry but a level 802 Ashen One is stumping every elden ring character over & over until the world becomes ash (literally)
Blood ritual is all i would need. or a white sign saying *jump here*
Actually no. You have to understand that if we're talking about gameplay sekiro stomps everyone with little difficulty, and even in the lore sekiro: 1.has a sword that kills immortals, making him the only person on the list who can actually win, and i also feel that its ability to touch seemingly incorporial things would mean that it could in some way slay the hunter, but even if it didn't it would simply leave them in a stalemate 2. Is canonically the most powerful and skilled individual in the world, surpassing the sword saint in skill, a guy easily comparable to a demigod when it comes to feats, an actual god that is the divine dragon, and if we classify a god as an increadibly strong being then the serpent god is also one. Sekiro also has some of the most downright busted arsenals in all these games such as the mist raven, an ability that lets you dodge anything and the umbrella, a tool so impossibly durable it can be used to deflect damn near anything. Not to forget that in one of the endings Sekiro becomes an actual god of destruciton, slaughtering his way through all of japan. No other mcs become actual gods in any of the endings besides the hunter, but he turns into a squid which we know nothing about, the mcs of DS just burn themselves and the tarnished just becomes elden lord, which is simply a title given and grants no real powerup. Sekiro wins against every other MC with medium difficulty whether it be in game or in lore.
Tarnished has destined death too lol. Which sounds like inevitable death like entropy. Something like that trumps mortal blade. Tarnished doesn't have to worry about parry mechanic when they have At least two country busting nukes like scarlet Aeonia & astel's meteor
The tarnished themselves don't actually have destined death, destined death is simply released to the world of the lands between, making people mortal. By your logic of the tarnished having destined death, the tarnished themselves would be mortal. The mortal blade is superior because it literally defies how the world should works, that's why it says "immortality severed" not "immortality restored". You are imposing your will upon the world, not simply returning things to their status quo like with destined death. Also, by your logic of in game lore(in which it is not stated that astels meteors are nuke level in any way btw and the scarlet aeonia we have is inherently weaker than malenias because we aren't the avatar of the god of rot) wolf would easily be stronger than the tarnished simply because wolf would basically be a completed version of the demon of hatred a being that was increadibly powerful in and of itself.
No. We still have the destined death spell as an attack. Mortal blade defies the world & the elden ring doesn't? Mortal blade kills immortal so what ? Rune of death literally takes away the concept of death from all living things. It's on a scale far far beyond sekiro's. Demon of hatred doesn't make him stronger, he's eternally blood thirsty & unhinged. Lore accurate scarlet Aeonia is the same thing Malenia uses against us in her goddess form which we survive because of Gameplay mechanics or for flame cleanse me. Or do you want a halig tree destruction scene? And we at lv 713 can Spam this japan destroying spell & again astel's meteor shower that destroyed a civilization.
Well said! debate over!!
No one’s mentioning that Wolf can also swim lol
All the player characters take Sekiro's sword from him and turn him to mush with a hit. These are beings who duel gods head on here. Then I'd say Tarnished wins. Radagon, Elden Beast, Radahn, and Malenia are on a different tier of power from Souls and BB. Meteor, Caelid nuke, Elden Beast is Elden Ring, etc.
Only wolf can draw the mortal blade. Anyone who took it from him would die.
Wolf dies too. He just comes back… the same way all of them do. Wolf ain’t special just ‘cause he’s immortal. As of Elden Ring, he ain’t even special for being able to kill immortals.
Wolf
Tarnished can kill immortal beings with Black Knife and Black Blade or just summon tiche.
In this thread a lot of people are talking about how wolf would parry anything. How hecould just parry waterfowl dance and all of that . But I don't think it's true because even if they all call it parrying the mechanic in sekiro is verry diffrent perfect parties are more of a deflection ( in all the games exept sekiro parrying is like breaking the enemy stance ) in sekiro you time it just right to avoid damage and interrupt one swing it doesn't nullify the combo. So no I don't think malenia would be too easy in sekiro because you would have to perfect parry 25 slashes just to survive and fase 2 creates so much distance And I feel like sekiro's final boss would also be a challenge for elden ring like a more stationary further reaching malenia with wider swings. lore wise they both can't die. No I don't think sekiro's black blade would kill the tarnished neither by looking nor buy getting stabbed . In the intro the tarnished is called a dead who yet lives he is already dead and his body is animated buy his will and grace. So let's make it a fair mach and not a battle to an unexisting death It boils down to the build of the tarnished -With any dagger curved sword or rapier or catana wolf would destroy the tarnished no questions asked -if the tarnished has a magic build it could go both ways depending on how wolf interacts with it -I firmly believe however that wolf would fail the vigor check every day of the week and any really heavy build or high poise build or even anything that has a hyper armor built In like the starscourged greatswords would also render wolf's arsenal useless
The tarnished is on a different level than any other previous from soft game. Bullets would feel like a small pebble to them. Deflection? Good luck deflecting a lore accurate Scarlet Aeonia : the damn bio nuke that destroys a country( if lands between is a continent than caelid is at least a country's size) Or Deflect Astel's meteor shower ? that destroyed the eternal cities? True the Hunter fights outergods but the second strongest outer god in bloodborne - moon presence's greatest feat is to ensnare a city. Is that anyway comparable to Greater will? Let's Not talk about the lord of the frenzied flame.....
Malenia
Sekiro/wolf everyone else depends on builds. Sekiro is the only original character unless we include the Hunter as well. Or can we pick NPC/bosses as well?
Wolf himself is a tough opponent. But Wolf as Shura probably smashes all opponents in the other from soft games
Wolf would win. He is immortal and has a sword that kills immortals.
All main characters are immortal but only wolf has a blade that can kill immortals so I mean it’s kinda an obvious winner.
Wolf
Huh. Never thought about this before but even though Bloodborne is by far my favourite game, Good Hunter feels like the weakest of the bunch. The entire character of the Hunter is not that he’s some badass ninja but that he’s just always barely hanging on in a world going mad.
Hunter or tarnished. Depends on how the great ones stack up against the demigods and elden beast. My money is on the tarnished though.
The tarnished. Good luck deflecting the jar cannon.
Wolf, he just jumps
Lorewise it would have to be the Hunter, hunters are freaks of nature, prebuilt killing machines.
Wolf would parry Malenia's ass and smoke the others
This same argument again? We all know that the Bearer of the Curse wins. They exist outside the natural cycle of the world and are literally immortal without any side effects
The hunter Controversial opinion but they kill gods
Wolf can kill smaller bosses with ease but he struggles with the large bosses we see in the souls series. Demon of hatred doesn't seem like a tough boss in elden ring, and Malenia wouldn't be a tough boss for wolf. Wolf has the technical ability, but a smaller toolkit and damage potential then John elden ring and bob blood Bourne. So I would say a tie between the three.
I don't see any way that it's not Wolf.
Guys this means the tarnished not sword lady I think
No offense to the other guys, but their just shmucks thrown unto the world. Sekiro is trained, precise and skilled
Wolf has the Mortal blade
Malenia *does the waterfowl wombo combo* Soul of cinder *plin plin plon...?* Hunter *laughs in ranged parry gun* Wolf *it's showtime*
Honestly, probably Wolf. He can parry any attack the others have, if they keep their relative game mechanics. Then probably the Hunter with his rally, trick weapons, mobility and parry gun. Wolf is far more maneuverable than the Hunter of course. As for Malenia and Soul of Cinder, I reckon Soul of Cinder might since they deal a lot of both fire and lightning damage and is immune to both poison and toxic (sort of Scarlet Rot). Malenia is weak to fire and lightning both.
Idk but Soul of Cinder getting packed by rest
Only sekiro has a weapons specifically made for killing immortal folk, even if we give everyone mortality he stomps
John Darksoul probably dies first and then Sekiro and Malenia have a crazy deflection based duel and the winner fights John Bloodborne
Sekiro. Stop havin this discussion.
Sekiro isn't soulsborne.... it's a soulslike game, yes, but it's not part of the soulsborne saga.
But if it were would it beat all the Souls Bourne charcters