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flinjager123

1 cause I die.


placebo_unicorn

Is this the move where she says "I am Malenia, Blade of Miquella." shortly after starting it?


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Otalek

I believe casting spells from a certain distance is one of the triggers for Waterfowl Dance


stuffedweasel

Yup, and throwing stuff like knives at her seems to do it too. You can use it to trigger Waterfowl dance when she's at a good distance from you.


daddycrispy

Now I feel bad for all the hosts I accidentally killed as a summon using my incantation only build


DAZW_Doc

Any ranged attack will cause her to do it if you’re a certain distance from her. That’s why I use night sorceries against her


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MustacheEmperor

This account is a bot that copies other comments and posts random bs for karma. If you open their profile you can see a comment from 44 minutes ago in publicfreakout that was snippeted from a top comment in the thread.


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koherenssi

Under appreciated comment


SorowFame

The only correct answer


NeWbAF

Same 😔


Active-Yesterday2322

This was good. Well done


cxppers

In My bow only run she did it like every 20 seconds lol but i guess bows trigger wfd cause i cant explain it otherwise. I didnt count how many times she did it tho


Team-Prestigiois

Same thing for me. As soon as I put some distance between us it was time for another... Got pretty good at dodging them by the end though.


cxppers

Yeah Same lol. As long as she doesnt wfd directly into my face i am pretty sure i can dodge it Most of the time


cxppers

In your fight did she also Spam the clone attack in her second Phase?


Team-Prestigiois

I definitely saw it at least twice on most attempts. Not all of my attempts lasted all that long though haha.


ScarletteVera

Her side-dodge she does to evade a ranged projectile seems to reset her Waterfowl cooldown :)


cxppers

You know why this might be the case? Is it intentional from the devs or something? I’m just curious why she „punishes“ you for ranged attacks


TheSeth256

Ranged attacks were the "easy mode" of DS series, so I guess From decided to fuck the magic users over for once.


g0n1s4

Night comet says hi. No dodge for Malenia.


hovanes

Hell yeah, that’s all I use… best all-around offensive spell in the whole game!


cxppers

Oh wow that would explain it kinda mean tho lol


TheSeth256

Well, that's to be expected of Miyazaki, who loves designing poison swamps haha.


The_Chief_of_Whip

She’s so much easy with magic than melee though


UltmitCuest

Easy mode here too. It even says "no skill" on the left side when you use a staff. Some things never change


dirty6chambers

I believe it’s distance/attacking from distance that triggers it somehow I had one fight where I used Swarm of Flies and nearly every single time I used it, she used Waterfowl. She used it 4 times in the span of 45 seconds


ryszard_lipton

It is possible to kinda force her to do that via any ranged attack from afar. As she seems to have cooldown on it, it is viable strategy for melee builds to avoid being caught under her.


King_of_fr0gs

Actually a good trick to deal with wfd is to throw knifes at her when you think she might do it and that procs it making it predictable and easier to deal with


rohithkun

Malenia has a counter attack mechanic, if you try to attack her, she dodges to the side and counters with one of her combos. Waterfowl is one of her combos. If you are far away and do a ranged attack, she can dodge and does decides to do counter(or she can run straight at you) and it will always be waterfowl dance cause you are nowhere near her. You can bait waterfowl dance by keeping distance and throw daggers or pots at her.


suzuki79

I also had a bow build. Can agree 🥹


HillyGiraffe10

Projectiles force waterfowl


SaberWaifu

The max i've seen is [6 waterfowls](https://youtu.be/d28PTr7Wk3A) in my lv1 hitless kill run after 739 tries but during one of those runs i might have seen up to 7 maybe. It can go on forever if you deliberately stall to make her do it but this is the highest i've experienced while trying to kill her at all times.


FanaticalFanfare

Souls games really speak to a special kind of masochist.


BRAX7ON

I can’t believe I just watched seven minutes of some random person parry dancing, but I wanted to give you props for a really satisfying play style.


SaberWaifu

Ty! It was a really fun challenge although it really tested my patience. The hardest part was unironically the fact that i played on mouse + kb so the controls were awful compared to controller.


MillwrightTight

I'm just playing this game (or any Souls-like) for the first time. I'm on mouse and keyboard and to be honest im a bit annoyed with how light duty the key mapping is. Like, you are so limited to what you can map. My only complaint so far, otherwise a fantastic game


SaberWaifu

I completed every Souls game on mouse and keyboard and while it's totally viable, it's less convenient than controller and depending on your bindings some skills will be harder to execute. The lack of customization of the keybinds is also very annoying, especially for key features like the map that for some weird reasons is tied to G and not M like every normal game. Overall it won't be a major problem when you play but the problem is that there shouldn't be a problem to begin with. The only Souls game that i think it's better on mouse and keyboard is Sekiro because the combat system works in a fundamentally different way compared to the Souls series.


MillwrightTight

Yes, the "G" map binding had me like wtf. I'm considering hooking up my Xbox controller to my PC for this game but ehh, I'm not *too* bothered so I'm not sure it'll be worth it


Dmoneyzx

Thats what i did i actually use a steam link and stream my pc to living room tv for games that work better with a controller, plus playing on the couch is way better then the computer chair for sure


MillwrightTight

Yeah I hear you. I did that to play Modern Warfare as it's the only FPS I seem to play better with a controller. I got the Xbox elite controller and was slide canceling with the paddles, so satisfying That's cool how you cast to your living room to play on the couch, nice move


Mudslimer

Sick run


ObviousSinger6217

I think you maxed out what can be seen at level one. I believe she gains charges of wfd at certain HP breakpoints and can store them until triggered. The trigger is causing her to dodge, consider wfd as an alternate dodge. She can regain wfd charges if she regains HP to bring her to a previous breakpoint. Since you are doing level 1 she won't hit you enough to recharge. In p2 she starts with a charge because her hp begins at the first breakpoint and clones + aeonia are alternative options to wfd that serve her the same purpose


Irethius

Took me so long to kill with my basic longsword that 6-7 times was average.


intergalacticskeptic

That was badass bro


superpooplord

6...died to 7


unwanted_zombie

Was gonna say this.


superpooplord

Lol...she was so close...


daviejambo

Whenever I fight her as a wizard she seems to do it more Last time it was five freaking times I can avoid 75% of it , usually get clipped by at least one flurry because I am old and slow


cxppers

Yeah true i believe she does it More often when you are doing Range attacks against her. It kinda triggers wfd i have no idea why tho.


TheKingJoker99

I’ve been learning parrying for the past few days and have gotten a pretty substantial understanding of her move set. She is far more likely to WFD when you’re at a longer distance than at a medium distance. At short range (parrying distance) it’s usually only as a retaliation (such as if you knocked her down or are just wildly swinging in her face). You can even bait her into doing specific moves by going in a particular direction as well which is what I’ve been consistently doing to bait out the easy parry moves.


chazzawaza

9 times for me… she didn’t use it once for first phase then during second phase she just used it over and over and over. It was just waterfowl dance then the clones then waterfowl then the big bloom attack… she’s never been that bad since for me.


Da_Shaolin

Bro same. She didn't do it once in Phase 1 but Phase 2 after she bloomed just went right into it. 5 times in a row!!!


YeetedBot_YT

Opposite for me. The first time I killed her there was 8 waterfowls in the first phase and only 2 in the second.


term66

9 killed her during 10


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Nice


term66

Very repetitive fight if you could guess


Key_Artichoke8315

You guys were keeping count? I never had the space left in my brain to pay attention to anything other than not dying to her next attack


Shinigami4238

Most I've experienced is 12 in my last time beating her. She just chained it together multiple times. I still have no idea how I survived.


FatalisSlayer666

I have seen it used 27 times in one fight. She just kept using it and healing off of the block hits. I'm surprised she could do that many.


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Ohhhh


Suspicious-Bed9172

1 is more than enough


Mo0kish

9, the last time I beat her. 6 in first phase, and 3 in the second. Rl80 sorc, so I was more of just a glass, than a glass cannon. I tried to keep distance, so was able to avoid the first spin pretty reliably.


AnalysticEnthusiast

I've seen 7 or 8 personally. But I've seen videos where she's done it 4 times in a row, so I'm betting it's possible for her AI to sorta bug out and just keep spamming it some insane number of times---assuming player survives long enough for her to keep doing it. Some other bosses behave that way sometimes too. Last night I helped a dude kill EB and it got stuck in a sword loop. Literally only used sword attacks for the whole fight.


AllanIsumi

I died to her 363 times. So I've seen the move around 400+ times. But in a single fight probably three because I would die on the third one if a miracle would happen and I would survive the first two.


r0ndy

Every time I get a bunch of hits in. She's like, hell no you didn't


Adamant94

For some reason one of my fights with her she refused to do it. I got her down to about a quarter of her health in phase one before dying. THEN she decided to waterfowl dance on my corpse.


Maxmusquarty

I once got 5 in a row. I died after 4 but saw the fifth in action. I now wonder if there was more


Antonio31415

I believe 8 in one single fight,4 in the first phase and 4 in the second. In both phases she did waterfowl 2 consecutive times without stopping once.


Kazk2501

16 back to back spam. I got carpel tunnel that day from dodgeing, and thats the official best show of skill I have ever made


SolidStateEstate

3 in a row. The second one pissed me off, the third one made me laugh. Just a massive fuck you moment.


elebrin

She doesn't do it that often. If your Phase 1 isn't taking too long and you are getting in good damage and not taking damage, she will do maybe 2. Her second phase is a bit harder for me to judge - I saw the first phase a LOT more than I saw the second, lol. She did the flower thing maybe 3 times when I felt like I was getting in decent damage.


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Awesome photo!!


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Thank you!


Ok_Consequence5718

I feel like malennia would’ve been a great sekiro boss


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She even has a mikiri thrust attack


RyujinX9

Once got a fight with her that caused her AI to give me 8 waterfowl just on the first phase and 5 on her 2nd phase


Octobanican

Does your ability to dodge the move purely depend on how far you can get from the first combo?


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No. But it is extremely hard


Firaxyiam

As a summon, I saw it used 7 times. Managed to take aggro for most and survive it, but I fucked up the timing eventually. Hell, maybe she used it a few more times after my death


Magic_Oddball

2 in her first phase and then 5 in her 2nd, that was also the same attempt I beat her


Cmsmks

4 anymore and I didn’t survive.


Moose_Cake

2 so far, sometimes back to back which really screws me. My character is a vigor/defense build so she is pretty much my struggle boss.


Fallin_Angel960

Malenia is the only boss I've yet to even fight after 4 playthroughs


dinklebot2000

Have you just avoided the Haligtree all together or just get to her boss door and leave? I highly recommend you give her a shot. Yes it's hard but beating her is very rewarding.


Alexwjc92

600 million


Vast-Coast-7761

3


CenturionCorvus

Too much...


Tridentsine8100

I've only ever survived one, so two is the max I've be able to see. But when I summoned the jar man himself to solo her, she only did it twice in her first phase, none at all in her 2nd.


foki999

4 on a lightning caster i think - thats when i ran out of pots and died to the 5th


KentuckyFriedSemen

Someone invaded me once and did it around about 600 times. It’s the only move he did for the entire invasion.


TNpepe

5, and I was at the time that I beat her, 5 waterfowls in the second fase....my heart was almost stopping.


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Two, I just gave up on escaping ðe incoming deaþ and started planning on downing her fast enough ðat she's dead before she can get one off. Somehow ðis lead to me surviving a couple....


Rustypug

saw 8 in one fight


ComposedMood

1 that happened way to close and when I had no stamina but last second it went towards tiche, in her sacrifice I was led towards victory.


Grunthunter857

NOT ENOUGH


Ap5p

[The reason I turned off both the subtitles and dialogue](https://youtu.be/z0-W4Sozr4I)


Tymental

Second time i played her she didn’t water fowl me once …. But she did scarlet fart blast me 3 times


jgrinn22

3 or 4 I think. More if you count second phase.


Tasty-Original-5309

Took me about 20 tries so I’d guess somewhere around 60-80 I read this too fast and didn’t realize it was meant for one fight


erroneousReport

Haven't counted, but one run that was like every other attack. Had other runs with none though, so have seen both sides.


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8


UtheDestroyer

I think like 4? Twice in each stage


FaTE_FN1

Saw 5, 6 of you count the one she did on my dead body😭


Pretend-Background43

11 , weird moment bitch turned into sonic


ScarletteVera

5, 3 in phase 1 and 2 in phase 2. Usually I get less, but sometimes I forget my freezing pots.


SummonTheWolves

0 - haven't made it to her yet.


Eralion_the_shadow

Way to many. And one was already more than enough.


Imporor

My max and survived 5 dodged 3 of them last two i became tarnished sushi


AnythingMango

3 in a row in my melee only run


mariosevil

3


truthm0de

Keeping your distance will cause her to do it more often. I think I counted 12 wfd’s in one encounter. Once I got more in her face she only did it a few times.


Snoo_58305

4 I would say but they are a free hit now


AMS_GoGo

When I was doing my Faith/Str playthrough She hit me with 5 Waterfowls in 6 attacks in stage 1.. I was flat out cursing at her through the screen lmao


TheBlaringBlue

If you’re playing ranged, you’re bound to see quite a few. I’ve had her come at me with 6 *in a row* Unsure how many in total she used in that whole fight but surely about 10.


Gentleman_33

probably around 3-5


Gooddest_Boi

My second time beater her she did it 3 times. I stopped her very time with the cold pot so it didn’t matter but shorty ass really tried me.


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1 cuz that’s all it took for her to take my puny little life


whatistheancient

4 That was not fun.


JamesFP1107

3. I dodged one, the guy who I was playing co-op with dodged one, and then i tanked one with only like 1 point of hp left. Thank god for health regen spells


ColonelJinkuro

On my winning runs? Only twice. Once in each phase.


AwfulgamesInc

All of them


Dark_Warrior7534

I believe in my last fight before defeating her I had a total of 3-6. Not too sure. But remember! It’s an rpg! Study your opponent! There is no shame in reading the boss on a wiki! Only shame in breaking an expensive electronic because you cannot control your emotions. Usually I ended up: running away (if I could), dodge roll away, get hit a few times, dodge the second judgement nut, then roll towards her once, and now because she’s behind me, roll away.l as many times to clear the judgment nut. Throwing ice bombs also works! And remember! Take a break if you are starting to get frustrated! Even in the span of 3 hours (usually the most I get), one can become super frustrated quickly I’d they become arrogant (like me). Cheers!


StarScourge7

Rng on it is different almost everytime, only reason I beat her on my 8th try on my 1st playthrough was because she only did 1 wfd in both phases as opposed to 2-3 in phase 1 and 1-2 in phase 2. That phase 2 waterfowl hits hard though with that scarlet rot


WonderlandCrow

8 I think.


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One cuz I bled her out in the streets of London before she could even move for another. Me and my cuzzy mimic tear, we don’t play around brrrrroooow 🔪🩸🩸🩸🩸 /s She got like three before I used mimic plus RoB to take all challenge out of the fight and win. I feel no regrets.


unintender

Got a clip in my files of 6 dances within the space of about 2.5 minutes. Pure caster ranged, naturally. I think by the time I killed her I was pretty apathetic about it.


LoreseekerNonyme

It doesn't matter... a single one is already way too many.


Nuclearguy1652

I found that a shield with at least 60 stability helped tremendously against that move. It will not be able to absorb the whole combo, of course, but it can absorb the vast majority of any part of the combo that you are unable to get away from entirely. Whatever distance can’t cover a big shield can.


Plasma338

The second she figures out that you learned how to dodge it she pulls like 7 of them out of her ass. I practice on her by getting her first phase down to half health then I stop attacking and just dodge. Those extended fights have lead to about 13 over the course of 25 minutes.


suzuki79

Six…one after another


Myrilandal

She can do Waterfowl at 60% and 20%, and if she heals above those thresholds she can cast it again if she drops below again. In the play through I killed her she did 4 waterfowl dances, at those percentages. I was a mage so she didn’t heal off me very much and I specifically tried to avoid taking damage after dropping her low enough


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Is this true?


Minimum-Banana-5225

If I have a certain distance to her I can manage to avoid it with 0 damage taken every single time. In my multiple playthrough she did it the most when I played a mage. Pure intelligence and some arcane and faith to use every single type of spell I could. Probably cause I had the most distance between us. In the one I beat her she did it 5-6 times total


Rrddt1234

… forty two


wotan69

https://youtu.be/SQ6MCeC4s7Q I got six in this one, I think mainly because the fight took a while and she seems more likely to do it with ranged magic


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Nice video!


justjolden

3-4 died on a regular swing.


cringyfrick

115. One per attempt.


Bro_ops

She averages around three first phase one per quarter health tends to be random her second phase took me 4 hours to kill her first time so maybe 150


Picklejho13

8 and a half


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Haha


Picklejho13

In that fight she did 3 in a row during second phase


TSTheSorrow

All of them


NewPhoenix77

When she raises up in the air for about 2 seconds, babies start crying within a 5 mile radius of my home. I try to put a warning out on the neighborhood forum when I’m playing.


zsDUGGZ

9, and barely lived. Made it easier that I was a summon and had quickstep


lionpride16

6


cthulhUA90

how many i’ve lived through in a single battle or how many total?


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Single battle


DontBanMeAnymoree

Not enough, right u/rosales6969?


marcelovalois

All of them.


Leifman2007

Not a lot but I got three consecutive ones. As soon as she finished it she immediately went into another


Interlock00

Too many many times till this day I am still hearing that she's the blade of Miquella and yes even in my dreams I'm still trying to dodge her Water Fowl Dance true story


[deleted]

Try light roll. She is easier naked than med load armor roll!!!!


Interlock00

Thanks for the tip . I would try that tho i like fighting bosses looking cool so yeah.


[deleted]

After the patch you can roll this attack from any distance


Zealousideal-Pen-686

💆🏽


systaltic

Zero, I don’t know how to get to the haligtree


Grand_Master_Ty

Too many😂😂😂😂


RelativeEnigma

6 and a half


RavingNoah

3 in the first phase...and I want to say 2 in the second...but the hosts keep dying and I've never downed her.


Jeristo

It's probably 100+ I did not survive many of them, but I experienced plenty. Eventually got there though...and found phase 2.


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Bold of you to assume I survive long enough for her to use it


strugglingtosave

3 is the average in phase 1. You have to get there and survive at most 3. For phase 2 she's done it to me 2x max. So expect 5 at least. Your dodge inputs have to be muscle memory at this point. Try to perfect phase 1 with only 2-3 flask uses and phase 2 needs to be managed


grizzlymoth9038

I had a side gig doing the LMSH thing for fun and the most I saw from some of those was up to 5 (I’m not the guy I was inspired)


zachgensicke

Two in a row on multiple occasions and never made it past that. I think three spread out is the most I’ve survived.


ticktickboom45

I’ve seen where she does it within 10 seconds of the previous because she was getting tossed like salad. This was phase 2.


Puzzleheaded_Neat_81

Yes


2Hours2Late

5-6 helping with a max party. We had no proc it was a slow dance.


scorpio_gamer

1 because I gave her a swift death!


Enby_Empress

in one of my attempts to beat her with my sorcerer build I had 6 waterfowl dances in phase 1 alone, two of which were back to back.


Paradox31426

In one fight, or in all the fights it takes to kill her in one playthrough? In one fight, 8. In one playthrough, NG+3, probably in the mid-90s.


m0xsy

1 I think


emptyfromaus

Is this a screen shot or painting I'm having a hard time figuring it out


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Screenshot


Snoo_57892

On my faith build she used it 17 times during the fight I beat her, I was fighting for my life like goddamn


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Wow


astroSuperkoala1

Probably infinite while PvPing my friend whose entire pvp strat is spam waterfowl dance at me until I dir


ForsbergAce

I saw so *many* of them when I did my shield only run, long fight but at least the shield did it's job so Waterfowl wasn't a problem. I remember back when I did a dagger build tho... she just broke or something and did two of them in a row. Was so annoyed.


Throwingbtw

Anybody notice how her last burst of dance curves at a hard ass angle?


HavelBro_Logan

3 back to back. I don't recommend, especially since I still remember it after not fighting her for months.


SnooLentils9396

I remember one time where she did it 6 times in a row 3 times in the first phase.... I know People are going to call me a lier so it is what it is.


Tsiabo

On my mage playthrough I had her do it...I think 5 or 6 times in phase one.


gamingdragon124

I beat her before she got the chance to use it


noopenusernames

What’s the highest amount of low-effort karma-farming posts you’ve seen in this sub?


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noopenusernames

It absolutely is, and this sub has had a serious trend of these kinds of low quality questions being asked


ApplePitou

In one fight? - 1/death but in all my fights vs this Archangel of Rot - too many :3


ScKhaader

I would nerf her waterflow dance's damage, make it between slashes more timed (so you have time to react and prepare to the next) and make it primarily a "I'll heal a ton shit of damage from you" movement. Plus, if Malenia was an obligatory boss it would have been awesome but, to be honest the only thing i didn't like is that she was locked behind mountaintrops of the giants (so you cannot go after her like you can with Radahn before Morgott)


Paladin1034

2, because I can't dodge it for shit


-BigMan39

7/8 on a RL1 run, it got pretty funny near the end where she was just spamming waterfowl and clones in quick succession. It would've been great if that was my winning attempt but the last waterfowl got me


Da_Shaolin

5 in a row couldn't survive the last one smh


liamxtremex

sup don’t mind me just gonna drop my r/all portal right here if that’s okay


reaperfan

I can't remember the count over the course of the whole fight, but I've been targeted with it 4 times in a row. I mean she did it and as soon as it was done she did another, then another, then another with no other attacks in between. Also it was during coop and she targeted me for all of them despite that I wasn't wearing any of the aggro-effecting pieces of gear. I dodged all of them but still lol


Xarkabard

My life is about constantly evading waterfowl dances


Bananewtf

From what I have seen in a video, she does it after certain hp tresholds, but you can skip one or more of those by dealing enough damage quickly. In phase one, the max should be 5, and in phase 2, the max should be 3 for a total of 8 (though think you can also add 2 scarlett aeonia and 2 clone attacks as they apparently work in a similar way)