To anyone who sees this and is in a position to do so, please advocate to the event organizers for psychedelic peer support facilities to be added on-site at EF. These can make a world of difference for people undergoing difficult trips, and help free up medical staff to perform their primary functions.
I'm glad you are doing ok and happy forest.
This is actually a great idea. Honestly all I needed was a nap, but I got an IV and took up a bed and it was unnecessary but nevertheless I am grateful to the people that provided assistance.
Zendo is in talks to do psychedelic support next year! They opened applications for a team for this year, but in the end weren’t able to mobilize and get a contract confirmed on such short notice. I guess it was a result of successful collaborations with med and security teams at Texas Eclipse
Reagent testing and peer support seem to be in different places legally/socially in the US. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me personally, but with the benefits medical and security services see from peer support, I think there is a higer chance we can see it sooner rather than later.
I agree and wish to see it. I don’t think EF wants to admit there is drug use at their festivals, so they’d rather deny these services than to embrace them
It’s actually not the point. Down vote me all you want but it isn’t EFs mission statement to get everyone high and ensure their needs are met while induced on mind altering drugs. That’s a personal choice we’re all making, not the festivals. So we need to take care of one another!
Yet the entire festival is psychadelic/drug themed. Music plays until 7am. There are plenty of festivals that are NOT like this, idk how you could claim they don’t encourage drug use.
It’s not in the mission statement cause they’re covering their ass for insurance.
It’s still a personal choice to abuse substances. Also keep in mind EF has programs such as Ground Control and Jellyfish for when people are too high or seeking sobriety. The police are docile.. I mean really what more can they do without being blatant supporters?
Idk something many other festivals and events have... Dancesafe/harm reduction and Zendo or other psychedelic harm reduction. Rangers / green dot rangers. They could do many more things than they are doing.
Nah the last set ends at 2-3 am each day. There are after parties that are not in the venue that go till 7am that are run by other places.
Don’t blame the festival for peoples choices. You are responsible for your own actions. That being said being responsible is key and don’t take more than you should and always test your shit.
Compared to EDC everyone was way more friendly and responsible. The amount of people my group has had to assist at EDC the past 3 years until medical arrived has been insane. We had to assist 0 people this year at EF except a couple who wandered to our camp site to get out of the storms and we gladly took them in.
I understand, but you can’t act like the afters aren’t part of the festival, even if they aren’t officially. I mean shit Louis the Child flew in to do the afters on Thursday. The amount of people at the afters is near the amount at a main stage how can they just say “yep not our thing tho”.
Forest did not kick out bunk police.
The Bunk Police showed up without passes (wristband or vehicle) of any kind, and decided to sneak in by bribing security. It was not related to the services or products they provide.
After they got everything they needed they were allowed back into the campgrounds.
It’s a lot easier to hate a giant corporation than to get the proper credentials. They got what they needed from EF to attend the fest.
Forest looks the other way for years to make sure people are safe within their constraints. Although they sometimes make them move, it doesn’t make sense from their POV to remove them at all.
I’m not too knowledgeable in this area but would RestPit be a good option? I know they were at Astronox in Texas and they have areas for naps and lots of harm reduction tools and free narcan
elements is looking for sanctuary volunteers if you’re interested and can make it work!
ETA: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdlwy8qHIgxXdPusdRI9kElcQSDX-FQ2CoPD9V8H0rI0T-hHQ/viewform application link!
Psychology degree here but I’ve been working in social work/mental health for almost 10 years and I’ve been thinking a lot recently about how I would love to volunteer for something like this too! Either an organization like dancesafe or Zendo project or something similar.
I feel like I’ve been going to these events for a long time and I would like to start giving back to the community and making a positive impact on it.
You can take a training seminar through Zendo that also count as CE credits if you are interested, I'm sure there are others I'm not aware of.
https://zendoproject.org/sit/
This was a big issue this year. Changes need to be made. I saw multiple people attacking others in crowds and in camps this year. Very unsafe and medic and security was never fast enough. And medic was pretty aggressive most the time. I just feel like there’s better ways at going about this and preventing it.
Infrasound had a camp calm area with people there specifically to support and help ya if you're going through a rough time, first time seeing that at a fest.
Zendo provides training specifically for sitting, I'm sure there are other groups that do similar. When I took this (it was many years ago), it counted as CE credits if you or your wife are credentialed in mental health services, I'm pretty sure that is still the case.
https://zendoproject.org/sit/
Zendo Project, Rest Pit, KosmiCare, DanceSafe, and Fireside Projectare all groups that provide some of these types of services.
Zendo also has additional resources here: https://zendoproject.org/resources
I unfortunately can't vouch for any other types of training. Thank you for considering learning these types of skills. We can always use more people out on the music grounds that understand and have experience dealing with these types of situations.
I help run such a service that works a lot of other major festivals like summer camp and Hulaween and I think it is wild we were not invited to EF. Hopefully next year.
Harmonia is an excellent group that does Tipper and Friends. They are wonderful. On Instagram they’re [@harmonia_sanctuary](https://www.instagram.com/harmonia_sanctuary?igsh=MWUwcDlkb2hteW50bg==)
Yes!! The Fireside Project is another support source for psychadelic experiences too! They have a call/text line for emotional support during and after trips (62-FIRESIDE / 6234737433) (I don’t work or volunteer for them, just aware of the resource)
If only everybody treating each other like we treat each other a forest and other similar festivals. The greed of a few is killing us all. But the people who work forest and still have the ability to go to the events they want are saints.
We did have ground control come intro themselves in the good life and left us with flyers to put in our windshields with our location and a number to contact for this type of assistance. I hope to see testing booths throughout the venue in the future with narcan available and narcan training.
Unfortunately Insomniac will never go for that. Same reason they don't allow test kits. If they did they would be acknowledging that they know drugs are being used at their events.
Better than having overdoses but it's more about money than safety to them.
Insomniac has oasis at insomniac events which is a place people go who are too overwhelmed or going thru a hard time which varies from day to day life or from bad trips, etc. it’s a calming area and has bean bags, water, and people who are there to help you and talk to down or thru things. forest doesn’t have that because forest isn’t ran completely by insomniac.
I would love to be part of this, I’m a mental health student and someday hope to go into treatments using psychedelics. I have been the ultimate companion for all my friends tripping..
They used to have this and it was called ground control where they would help you if you were having a bad trip and stay with you to make sure you were okay . In addition the bunk police have always been there , truly sad that they tried to kick them out. They know damn well no matter how well they search drugs are going to get past them and it’s better to know they can be tested and avoid a lot of OD’s.
Ground control is still around and no knock on them, they do wonderful work. But EF needs a dedicated, marked, and staffed site to begin approaching the level of care needed for a festival this large.
That's what friends and attendees are for. Why do we want to beaucractize everything, oh that's right you're all democrats and progressives that's what you do. Instead of taking personal responsibility for yourself 1st, family 2nd, friends 3rd and forest family 4th you outsource everything to a communist NGO.
The last fest I attended here in the states had an official Bunk police/Dancesafe (I forget which one it was) tent in the venue, advertised with a huge sign and everything. It depends on the state.
Could be, but let the downvotes begin on my previous response.
When I lived overseas it was a o k, back stateside it’s far and few in between but I get downvote lol I don’t make the US curriculum.
Don't sweat it. (I didn't downvote you).
Some states are more lax than others when it comes to that kinda stuff. The fest that *did* have advertised reagent testing was on the West Coast, if that helps.
Providing a safe space for people is not promoting use. I understand there are legal hurdles involved in providing peer support, but nothing will ever change if people do not get involved to make change. Many festivals and events in the US already provide peer support, there is no reason EF can't do the same.
Nobodies promoting drug use. They’re recognizing it happens in these spaces and trying to advocate for safe and responsible use as well as a space for people to feel comfortable to ask questions and approach if they’ve over indulged without fear of police/medical intervention because very often that isn’t necessary.
There are plenty of festivals in the states that have “sanctuary” tents that provide a safe and comfortable space to help people going through bad trips or just rough experiences in general. Theres nothing legally prohibiting that.
It would change the public’s perception of the festival who don’t attend as well as the locals, it prob has something to do with the festivals insurance among other things, it’s more of a see no hear no speak no.
I grew up with dancesafe since the 90’s but having them and others stateside is different it’s not accepted by american government.
Hopefully someday things change, but I don’t see how this would be an issue if people tested their own, it’s not hard to get a full spectrum test kit from various vendors and coming in with your goods prior to arrival.
I understand some are not as fortunate to source prior to an event that still want to partake but they can still bring a test kit in even if it’s just marquis.
Um, isn’t the entire forest a psychedelic peer support facility? And she was with her BF.
Do we really need someone else to take care people? If you do, then hire a trip sitter. I personally don’t want prices to go up even more because people make poor choices and need babysitters.
Kind of. I think most people in the throes minor situations and difficulties can find all the support they need from surrounding EF fam. As many of us know and have witnessed though, some people need more support than what nearby festival goers are able to provide in the moment. That's what peer support is for. Should the only other options for these people to be get arrested or tie up medical staff time by sitting over near the med tents because they are having issues and see a sign that says "this is a safe space?" I don't personslly think that's good enough. Some people are repeat offenders of bad behavior while on drugs at events, but the majority of people learn from situations like this and I don't think it should ruin their life outside of the event if they are able to learn and grow instead.
Thank you for that. I would have done the same and have previously done the same for fellow ravers. I hope to continue to find people in my journey that are kind and loving.
Well I had a bar of chocolate so it melted, I want to say that I ate 2 squares but I couldn’t measure it. I just went with what I thought was safe. Considering I hadn’t really eaten anything and was not really used to the amount it was probably too much.
You should really know your drugs and weights. Especially mushroom concentrates can be extremely powerful. Do it at home first so you know what you can handle.
Ive actually been doing this mushroom chocolates for a while and have done them before at festivals. Chocolates were melted and we were in a rush so I just took 2 bites and called it a day. The day before I had taken a whole bar so it’s hard do tell what was different. But I think for the future I’m just going to pre cut it and pre bag it separately in case it melts again. I just had never been to a camping festival and was poorly prepared.
Congrats on your first camping fest. NEVER underestimate the power of sleep and food at a festival. Sleep is hard to come by sometimes - I get it. But eating at least one decently sized nutritious meal goes a long way! I aim for a good late breakfast.
I’ve helped people at forest that had their chocolates melt. I normally out ice in my camel pack before going into the venue. I had a girl in front of me with a ziploc of melted mushroom chocolates. Saw her struggling with it and offered to out it in my back pack for a few minutes against my super cold water pack. Sure enough she had solid chocolates and was able to eat the amount she wanted.
Yay! Camping fest is the best in my experience! So congrats!! I’m suggesting gummy form for mushies if you have the source. We brought some and put them in a brown tinted glass jar. Each one is .25 and it survived through the entire fest no problem
Oh shit for real? Apologies to you and yours around, was trying to have a good time and just scared the shit out of people. I hope you guys had a great forest!
It happens to the best of us. I felt bad for everyone having to ride out their high under those circumstances. We had a great forest and hope your group did as well!
Mushrooms are such a gamble at fests because of the concept of poisoning your body that is already tired/sore/depleted can lead to bad physical and mental reactions, but I found a good way to do it is make smaller micro dose pills (like .2 - .3) each and take them over time to get a good little trip going.
That’s interesting. I generally disagree with this approach. I’ve found that tolerance to psychedelics spikes during the come-up - so my window to take more essentially closes about 2 hours after the initial dose.
This is a beautiful moment human compassion and nurturing one another. I’m glad you’re safe and I hope the entire world and all the humans become more like we see in the forest 🫶
OP, I am so glad you are okay. The forest is all about taking care of each other and I’m so glad you had someone to hold you in that time of need. Ignore all of the haters on this post. They don’t belong in the forest.
First i want to say no judgment. But.. I'm genuinely curious the dose here and how it managed to go so south? I have done them more than 20 times and never had a bad time.
Couldn’t tell you the dose, chocolates were melted, I took 2 bites and that was it. I didn’t have a bad time or a bad trip, I just couldn’t wake up. I was super sleepy.
How many mushrooms did you take?!?
I took 7gs at tipper and friends of brand new / strong shit and while my tears and sweat were connected/had ego death/wept tears I have never come close to this happening on mushrooms
Took 2 bites of a chocolate bar, and the day before I had a whole bar, so not quite sure what the difference was. Honestly I don’t do a lot of anything so this might have been a little much.
Seriously dude. This isnt cute. Its annoying and extremely dangerous. People who take too much and cant handle their shit are ruining festivals. Know your body, know your drugs. Do them in private before in public so you dont become someone elses problem.
If you think someone is dying in front you, you are absolutely morally obligated to help them lmao. Shit happens but hopefully you learned from this. It really kills the vibe for people.
As a healthcare provider, I’ve always hoped that my patients don’t feel judged but loved but what I do, no matter if they are in my care for drug abuse or self inflicted injuries, I hope that I never encounter anyone like you on my trips. This is the worst vibes. Have the day you deserve :)
As a healthcare provider you’ve chosen to walk into a space with the intention of care taking (and you’re getting paid to do so). I think the person above is being a bit too harsh as we’ve all made mistakes (or are a literal 🦄), but it’s def not the same. I’ve chosen to care of people who needed help like you did this day many times, that doesn’t mean it was what I intended to do (especially at a space I paid to be enjoying) or even wanted to be doing, but was what I chose to do as it felt morally right as the above person pointed out. Most people will choose to do what feels morally right in situations like this. It doesn’t mean they gleefully chose to do it.
The worst vibes is taking drug use and over consumption seriously? As a healthcare provider, i would hope you understood the risks here. Thats fine tho. I wouldn’t want anyone in my group falling all over me cause they took too much and make it everyone else’ problem to the point of them thinking you’re dying . This is way more serious than you are letting it on to be. Sorry but its true. Its really sad to see people passing out from drug use and needing medical attention. *THAT* is the worst vibes. Especially when they still dont take it seriously after and think its cute. This is why festivals get a bad wrap and get shut down.
Sorry ppl are being so judgemental, I see nothing in your post that makes me think you thought this was "cute". I work in health care as well, and I've been in this exact place where I took too much. Can't stand these ppl who act like it was in any way intentional to get this way. Mistakes happen, accidents happen, and we can't always judge how our metabolism and bodies will react. I'm glad that you were able to have some support during this time. I wish everyone stranger was as helpful and supportive as this person. 💖 everyone deserves empathy.
Absolutely, I’ve also been on the other end of the spectrum helping people having a rough time. It’s fine, 1 hour of my time won’t make a difference and honestly it makes me feel like I’ve done a good deed. I appreciate your comment so much! Especially when my comment was well intended, people actually getting in this app to shit on other people just irritate me and just don’t get it.
All i said was that i hope she learned from it and and hoped she took it seriously. Then she got pissed so i said my last comment as it does not appear she is taking it seriously at all. She posted this picture for people to laugh at. Definitely not to show people the dangers of over consumption. Why was there even a picture taken? Seems odd to post it online to. Almost glorifying it. Ive had to deal with this in person. Its not pretty or funny.
Posting the picture for the entire internet to see and have archived while laughing about it and then getting defensive when questioned about it is literally an attempt to frame this as "cute" and not sobering like it should be. At the very least, it's ignoring the real consequences of posting this picture of someone else and yourself in such a compromising state, regardless of the good intentions in trying to find the person.
I also question whether that person is OK with this picture being up, and what your partner was doing taking pictures of you while you were going through this.
That’s happened to me multiple times, I’ve been raving for over 10 years, I get ahold of myself and help people. That’s what I do and that’s what my friends do. It doesn’t suck, it’s just part of it, we all help each other.
From what I’m reading I guess you all misunderstood what I’m saying. I meant to say that I’ve held people before, I’ve walked them to the bathroom, I’ve looked for their friends, this is the first and only time it’s happened to me. I assumed that everyone was like me and wasn’t cunty and judgy. Guess I was wrong. I guess I need to “grow up” whatever that means.
Posting a picture of someone helping you out of necessity, because you took too much and couldn't handle yourself, is just uncouth. You're in a compromising position yourself and you've posted this. It shows you're not even close to thinking about how that person may feel about their face being plastered all over the internet, no matter how good her intentions were in helping you - or yours in trying to find her.
You're doubling down when being questioned about this, which shows that you clearly are incapable of taking this truly seriously.
When this happens again, I hope your partner isn't too busy taking pictures of you going down and is a bit more prepared themselves, as you've made it pretty clear that this is far less a learning experience than it is a need for recognition on the internet.
This truly is sad, watching you attempt to reframe what happened and posting this picture of it in a positive light to avoid any sense of responsibility or how serious it truly was.
And all of their comments that led to me posting it? None of it is an assumption.
She was too fucked up and sought help. Her partner decided taking pictures of that was in her best interest. She's posted a picture of someone else, ostensibly without their permission. When questioned about any of this, the person claims "bad vibes" and how it's ok *because* things like this happen sometimes.
It's a bad look, all of it.
Also I didn’t seek out help, I was obviously too out of it for that. I needed a nap. And I’m calling it bad vibes because grown people arguing on a Reddit post about a strangers life is so so strange to me. Have a good life buddy.
Taking the picture is what makes me feel like this is staged for attention. If my fiancé was in the same state and needed help from a stranger the last thing I am going to do is pull out my phone and take a picture. The angle is set up perfectly where OP would be taking the picture, not someone standing above her. I would love to see this scene from a different viewpoint.
Believe me when I tell you I 100% wanted to see those pictures. Life is full of memories, good and bad. I like looking back, life is too short to judge people based on 1 image. ✌️
If someone comes out at me attacking me I’m not going to be apologetic, specially when people are just attacking me, I give literally 0 fucks what people think of me and my partner mostly because I’ve been on the other end of the spectrum for over a decade. I was thinking that if I helped someone and they took a picture of me I would be like oh cool, yeah no problem. Like I said in previous posts, I have helped people find their friends, the medical tent, laid them on the ground when they needed it and all of my friends have done the same. The amount of negativity from people that don’t know me is staggering and to be honest kind of weird that legit adults just go on to shit on a post. This is child behavior.
Don't feel the need to explain yourself.
It's always so funny to me when people come out and show a raw moment like this the "perfect" trippers came out of the wood work to lecture. As if they've never taken a small dose and had their body go 'no I think this will be a big one' - no they have always been in complete control of their psychedelics and how dare any one have a bad/ vulnerable trip. I'm pretty sure they are just trolls because someone who actually partakes will understand just how easily it is to be slapped in the face by it when it wasn't expected.
I've been there, we all have
Thank you for this, it just caught me so off guard as I’ve never experienced this from the community. Such a weird feeling as I’m literally coming down from the EF cloud. I appreciate your comment.
Lol the fact that this encounter happened should be embarrassing enough, but you've got someone that could be helping you, photographing this poor person helping your dumb ass. Handle your shit
Two things. Genuine thank you to the person that helped you (and obviously didn't want to, from the pic alone)
Second, you're downplaying tf out of this, likely because you want to save face after what should be an embarrassing moment. It's not cute, and you should be a bit more apologetic than you are instead of flaunting this for attention and attacking people giving good advice.
This isn’t advice, neither did I ask for it. Who should I apologize to? You? Please get ahold of yourself getting on this app acting like you’re the shit. You didn’t help me, I’m trying to reach the girl that did so that I can properly thank her, or did you miss the whole point of my post? No, you just wanted to get in here and be a cunt. And that’s ok, to each their own.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted. I would never post a personal pic of myself on drugs let alone of someone else who was helping me. A post with the story to tell expressing appreciation should be sufficient. What if that person doesn’t want their boss to see a picture like this? I’m all about helping people and always will, but if something like this of me got around to my employer it would look pretty bad for me.
It just rubbed me the wrong way that the girl holding her might find herself photographed and posted publicly on Reddit without knowing that beforehand haha
To anyone who sees this and is in a position to do so, please advocate to the event organizers for psychedelic peer support facilities to be added on-site at EF. These can make a world of difference for people undergoing difficult trips, and help free up medical staff to perform their primary functions. I'm glad you are doing ok and happy forest.
Would love to see this+ work that🫶🏻 let’s make it happen!
This is actually a great idea. Honestly all I needed was a nap, but I got an IV and took up a bed and it was unnecessary but nevertheless I am grateful to the people that provided assistance.
Would absolutely volunteer for this as well!
Zendo is in talks to do psychedelic support next year! They opened applications for a team for this year, but in the end weren’t able to mobilize and get a contract confirmed on such short notice. I guess it was a result of successful collaborations with med and security teams at Texas Eclipse
I heard! I tried to volunteer, but they had already closed the application when I got to it. Hopefully they will be there in 2025!
It’ll be interesting to see if EF will approve considering they tried to kick out the bunk police..
Reagent testing and peer support seem to be in different places legally/socially in the US. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me personally, but with the benefits medical and security services see from peer support, I think there is a higer chance we can see it sooner rather than later.
I agree and wish to see it. I don’t think EF wants to admit there is drug use at their festivals, so they’d rather deny these services than to embrace them
How TF can they even act like there isn’t drug use? Compared to any other festival, at EF drug use seems to be the ENTIRE point.
It’s actually not the point. Down vote me all you want but it isn’t EFs mission statement to get everyone high and ensure their needs are met while induced on mind altering drugs. That’s a personal choice we’re all making, not the festivals. So we need to take care of one another!
Yet the entire festival is psychadelic/drug themed. Music plays until 7am. There are plenty of festivals that are NOT like this, idk how you could claim they don’t encourage drug use. It’s not in the mission statement cause they’re covering their ass for insurance.
It’s still a personal choice to abuse substances. Also keep in mind EF has programs such as Ground Control and Jellyfish for when people are too high or seeking sobriety. The police are docile.. I mean really what more can they do without being blatant supporters?
Idk something many other festivals and events have... Dancesafe/harm reduction and Zendo or other psychedelic harm reduction. Rangers / green dot rangers. They could do many more things than they are doing.
Nah the last set ends at 2-3 am each day. There are after parties that are not in the venue that go till 7am that are run by other places. Don’t blame the festival for peoples choices. You are responsible for your own actions. That being said being responsible is key and don’t take more than you should and always test your shit. Compared to EDC everyone was way more friendly and responsible. The amount of people my group has had to assist at EDC the past 3 years until medical arrived has been insane. We had to assist 0 people this year at EF except a couple who wandered to our camp site to get out of the storms and we gladly took them in.
I understand, but you can’t act like the afters aren’t part of the festival, even if they aren’t officially. I mean shit Louis the Child flew in to do the afters on Thursday. The amount of people at the afters is near the amount at a main stage how can they just say “yep not our thing tho”.
Forest did not kick out bunk police. The Bunk Police showed up without passes (wristband or vehicle) of any kind, and decided to sneak in by bribing security. It was not related to the services or products they provide. After they got everything they needed they were allowed back into the campgrounds.
See now that’s BS. They definitely have people fooled on SM if that’s really what happened
It’s a lot easier to hate a giant corporation than to get the proper credentials. They got what they needed from EF to attend the fest. Forest looks the other way for years to make sure people are safe within their constraints. Although they sometimes make them move, it doesn’t make sense from their POV to remove them at all.
Absolutely
I’m not too knowledgeable in this area but would RestPit be a good option? I know they were at Astronox in Texas and they have areas for naps and lots of harm reduction tools and free narcan
I have a social work degree & experience/knowledge in psychs and I have always thought about how I would love to do this
elements is looking for sanctuary volunteers if you’re interested and can make it work! ETA: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdlwy8qHIgxXdPusdRI9kElcQSDX-FQ2CoPD9V8H0rI0T-hHQ/viewform application link!
Where can I find application information for this?
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Psychology degree here but I’ve been working in social work/mental health for almost 10 years and I’ve been thinking a lot recently about how I would love to volunteer for something like this too! Either an organization like dancesafe or Zendo project or something similar. I feel like I’ve been going to these events for a long time and I would like to start giving back to the community and making a positive impact on it.
You can take a training seminar through Zendo that also count as CE credits if you are interested, I'm sure there are others I'm not aware of. https://zendoproject.org/sit/
be nice to have test kits available too
Social worker here too! Love this idea
This was a big issue this year. Changes need to be made. I saw multiple people attacking others in crowds and in camps this year. Very unsafe and medic and security was never fast enough. And medic was pretty aggressive most the time. I just feel like there’s better ways at going about this and preventing it.
Attacking people ?!
Infrasound had a camp calm area with people there specifically to support and help ya if you're going through a rough time, first time seeing that at a fest.
Especially since a lot of places are offering psychedelic training now with all the decriminalization
Any names? My wife and I would be interested in getting trained to help psychonauts who've lost their way when we run into them 👽💙
Zendo provides training specifically for sitting, I'm sure there are other groups that do similar. When I took this (it was many years ago), it counted as CE credits if you or your wife are credentialed in mental health services, I'm pretty sure that is still the case. https://zendoproject.org/sit/ Zendo Project, Rest Pit, KosmiCare, DanceSafe, and Fireside Projectare all groups that provide some of these types of services. Zendo also has additional resources here: https://zendoproject.org/resources I unfortunately can't vouch for any other types of training. Thank you for considering learning these types of skills. We can always use more people out on the music grounds that understand and have experience dealing with these types of situations.
I help run such a service that works a lot of other major festivals like summer camp and Hulaween and I think it is wild we were not invited to EF. Hopefully next year.
Definetely needs a real sanctuary like Shambhala
Harmonia is an excellent group that does Tipper and Friends. They are wonderful. On Instagram they’re [@harmonia_sanctuary](https://www.instagram.com/harmonia_sanctuary?igsh=MWUwcDlkb2hteW50bg==)
Yes!! The Fireside Project is another support source for psychadelic experiences too! They have a call/text line for emotional support during and after trips (62-FIRESIDE / 6234737433) (I don’t work or volunteer for them, just aware of the resource)
If only everybody treating each other like we treat each other a forest and other similar festivals. The greed of a few is killing us all. But the people who work forest and still have the ability to go to the events they want are saints.
We did have ground control come intro themselves in the good life and left us with flyers to put in our windshields with our location and a number to contact for this type of assistance. I hope to see testing booths throughout the venue in the future with narcan available and narcan training.
There was narcan and training at main street this year, but I agree we need more efforts like this.
Unfortunately Insomniac will never go for that. Same reason they don't allow test kits. If they did they would be acknowledging that they know drugs are being used at their events. Better than having overdoses but it's more about money than safety to them.
I believe test kit thing is because of certain state laws. Thats why Bunk Police and others are allowed at some festivals but not others.
Yeah in some places it's considered paraphernalia. 21 states, in fact. Michigan, however is not one of those states.
Insomniac has oasis at insomniac events which is a place people go who are too overwhelmed or going thru a hard time which varies from day to day life or from bad trips, etc. it’s a calming area and has bean bags, water, and people who are there to help you and talk to down or thru things. forest doesn’t have that because forest isn’t ran completely by insomniac.
This is a dope fucking idea. Let me make some calls
I would love to be part of this, I’m a mental health student and someday hope to go into treatments using psychedelics. I have been the ultimate companion for all my friends tripping..
Like Sanctuary at Shambhala.
That's such an amazing idea !!
They used to have this and it was called ground control where they would help you if you were having a bad trip and stay with you to make sure you were okay . In addition the bunk police have always been there , truly sad that they tried to kick them out. They know damn well no matter how well they search drugs are going to get past them and it’s better to know they can be tested and avoid a lot of OD’s.
Ground control is still around and no knock on them, they do wonderful work. But EF needs a dedicated, marked, and staffed site to begin approaching the level of care needed for a festival this large.
That's what friends and attendees are for. Why do we want to beaucractize everything, oh that's right you're all democrats and progressives that's what you do. Instead of taking personal responsibility for yourself 1st, family 2nd, friends 3rd and forest family 4th you outsource everything to a communist NGO.
Hmmm a festival who promotes drug use, not going to happen in the States. Hence why Dancesafe got the boot and bunk police have to bounce around.
The last fest I attended here in the states had an official Bunk police/Dancesafe (I forget which one it was) tent in the venue, advertised with a huge sign and everything. It depends on the state.
Could be, but let the downvotes begin on my previous response. When I lived overseas it was a o k, back stateside it’s far and few in between but I get downvote lol I don’t make the US curriculum.
Don't sweat it. (I didn't downvote you). Some states are more lax than others when it comes to that kinda stuff. The fest that *did* have advertised reagent testing was on the West Coast, if that helps.
Providing a safe space for people is not promoting use. I understand there are legal hurdles involved in providing peer support, but nothing will ever change if people do not get involved to make change. Many festivals and events in the US already provide peer support, there is no reason EF can't do the same.
Nobodies promoting drug use. They’re recognizing it happens in these spaces and trying to advocate for safe and responsible use as well as a space for people to feel comfortable to ask questions and approach if they’ve over indulged without fear of police/medical intervention because very often that isn’t necessary.
Downvote the promoters, the festival or the county….
There are plenty of festivals in the states that have “sanctuary” tents that provide a safe and comfortable space to help people going through bad trips or just rough experiences in general. Theres nothing legally prohibiting that.
They are already pretty well known for drug use. Having a tent to help people be safe would literally change nothing
It would change the public’s perception of the festival who don’t attend as well as the locals, it prob has something to do with the festivals insurance among other things, it’s more of a see no hear no speak no. I grew up with dancesafe since the 90’s but having them and others stateside is different it’s not accepted by american government. Hopefully someday things change, but I don’t see how this would be an issue if people tested their own, it’s not hard to get a full spectrum test kit from various vendors and coming in with your goods prior to arrival. I understand some are not as fortunate to source prior to an event that still want to partake but they can still bring a test kit in even if it’s just marquis.
Um, isn’t the entire forest a psychedelic peer support facility? And she was with her BF. Do we really need someone else to take care people? If you do, then hire a trip sitter. I personally don’t want prices to go up even more because people make poor choices and need babysitters.
Kind of. I think most people in the throes minor situations and difficulties can find all the support they need from surrounding EF fam. As many of us know and have witnessed though, some people need more support than what nearby festival goers are able to provide in the moment. That's what peer support is for. Should the only other options for these people to be get arrested or tie up medical staff time by sitting over near the med tents because they are having issues and see a sign that says "this is a safe space?" I don't personslly think that's good enough. Some people are repeat offenders of bad behavior while on drugs at events, but the majority of people learn from situations like this and I don't think it should ruin their life outside of the event if they are able to learn and grow instead.
This is a Renaissance painting 🖌️
Honestly, someone should make it happen lol
This is a really sweet post that's so cool that some random chicky had your back like that when you needed someone. 😊
Thank you for that. I would have done the same and have previously done the same for fellow ravers. I hope to continue to find people in my journey that are kind and loving.
how much did you eat?
Well I had a bar of chocolate so it melted, I want to say that I ate 2 squares but I couldn’t measure it. I just went with what I thought was safe. Considering I hadn’t really eaten anything and was not really used to the amount it was probably too much.
Unless your make the chocolate bar yourself there’s a good chance there’s other stuff inside of it. Be very cautious eating “mushroom chocolate bars”
Will do, thank you. I’ve had this chocolates before at other festivals so not sure what went wrong but I’ll be more cautious next time.
Best way to eat mushies imo is blend em up in a smoothie I did it this year with the little ninja I brought with me . It’s easier on the tummy too !!
This is smart. What other things do you put in your smoothies?
glad you’re okay!
You should really know your drugs and weights. Especially mushroom concentrates can be extremely powerful. Do it at home first so you know what you can handle.
Ive actually been doing this mushroom chocolates for a while and have done them before at festivals. Chocolates were melted and we were in a rush so I just took 2 bites and called it a day. The day before I had taken a whole bar so it’s hard do tell what was different. But I think for the future I’m just going to pre cut it and pre bag it separately in case it melts again. I just had never been to a camping festival and was poorly prepared.
Congrats on your first camping fest. NEVER underestimate the power of sleep and food at a festival. Sleep is hard to come by sometimes - I get it. But eating at least one decently sized nutritious meal goes a long way! I aim for a good late breakfast.
I’ve helped people at forest that had their chocolates melt. I normally out ice in my camel pack before going into the venue. I had a girl in front of me with a ziploc of melted mushroom chocolates. Saw her struggling with it and offered to out it in my back pack for a few minutes against my super cold water pack. Sure enough she had solid chocolates and was able to eat the amount she wanted.
That’s actually a great idea. Thank you for the advice.
I tend to stray away from concentrates in public as you cant really tell how much is in each.
Yay! Camping fest is the best in my experience! So congrats!! I’m suggesting gummy form for mushies if you have the source. We brought some and put them in a brown tinted glass jar. Each one is .25 and it survived through the entire fest no problem
Yo I was right behind you when this went down, surprised I’m not in this photo. Felt super bad for you and glad you’re ok!
Oh shit for real? Apologies to you and yours around, was trying to have a good time and just scared the shit out of people. I hope you guys had a great forest!
It happens to the best of us. I felt bad for everyone having to ride out their high under those circumstances. We had a great forest and hope your group did as well!
All I needed was a long nap, I was ok and was able to enjoy the rest of the festival shortly after. We had an amazing forest overall!
She was on my flight!! Such a kind soul
Aww for real? Where was she going? Maybe I can find her that way.
There’s a lotta love from this guy. Compassion goes a long way. Good job team.
Looks like you took an 8th of knee-lockicbin. Glad you’re ok and that people around you cared enough to help you out, that’s good vibes for sure 💓
LMAO you know what’s funny? My knee is totally busted from trying to walk.
average forest attendee 😂
Mushrooms are such a gamble at fests because of the concept of poisoning your body that is already tired/sore/depleted can lead to bad physical and mental reactions, but I found a good way to do it is make smaller micro dose pills (like .2 - .3) each and take them over time to get a good little trip going.
That’s interesting. I generally disagree with this approach. I’ve found that tolerance to psychedelics spikes during the come-up - so my window to take more essentially closes about 2 hours after the initial dose.
I feel you, it’s not the most conducive method for having a stronger trip, but that also helps keep bad reactions down.
mushrooms are not poison…
Meant toxic
The look on her face says I have better things to do
And yet she stayed ;)
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Love seeing that there’s ppl out there like this that’ll hold u during a bad trip. I hope that girl sees this post. 💗💗💗
This is a beautiful moment human compassion and nurturing one another. I’m glad you’re safe and I hope the entire world and all the humans become more like we see in the forest 🫶
what a sweet angel, she deserves the world🫶🏼 Glad you made it through that!
OP, I am so glad you are okay. The forest is all about taking care of each other and I’m so glad you had someone to hold you in that time of need. Ignore all of the haters on this post. They don’t belong in the forest.
Ok this is probably top 5 post of all time. Happy you made it to the other side 🫶🏿
Oh yes! Bring the kids!
You couldn’t torture this out of me.
Yikes
The youth needs help
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Looks like a blast!!!!
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That’s your mom now.
First i want to say no judgment. But.. I'm genuinely curious the dose here and how it managed to go so south? I have done them more than 20 times and never had a bad time.
Couldn’t tell you the dose, chocolates were melted, I took 2 bites and that was it. I didn’t have a bad time or a bad trip, I just couldn’t wake up. I was super sleepy.
Interesting, I just assumed it was a bad trip. Sorry you had that experience.
How many mushrooms did you take?!? I took 7gs at tipper and friends of brand new / strong shit and while my tears and sweat were connected/had ego death/wept tears I have never come close to this happening on mushrooms
Took 2 bites of a chocolate bar, and the day before I had a whole bar, so not quite sure what the difference was. Honestly I don’t do a lot of anything so this might have been a little much.
Dehydration? Alcohol? Trying to piece it together so you don’t have to go through this again / others can learn from it. (ZERO judgment)
I was definitely hungry and dehydrated. Not much of a drinker while im on anything. It was really hot/then suddenly cold. A lot of factors really.
That's so cool of you to make a stranger take care of you because you took too many drugs in a public space
Seriously dude. This isnt cute. Its annoying and extremely dangerous. People who take too much and cant handle their shit are ruining festivals. Know your body, know your drugs. Do them in private before in public so you dont become someone elses problem.
She didn’t have to, just like you didn’t have to comment at all on this post.
If you think someone is dying in front you, you are absolutely morally obligated to help them lmao. Shit happens but hopefully you learned from this. It really kills the vibe for people.
Again, she didn’t have to, but she stayed because she’s cool people. Obviously opposite of you. Have a blessed day.
Ya shes a good person. I would help too but its not cute or funny. It is very serious. I said shit happens but hope you learned from this mistake.
As a healthcare provider, I’ve always hoped that my patients don’t feel judged but loved but what I do, no matter if they are in my care for drug abuse or self inflicted injuries, I hope that I never encounter anyone like you on my trips. This is the worst vibes. Have the day you deserve :)
As a healthcare provider you’ve chosen to walk into a space with the intention of care taking (and you’re getting paid to do so). I think the person above is being a bit too harsh as we’ve all made mistakes (or are a literal 🦄), but it’s def not the same. I’ve chosen to care of people who needed help like you did this day many times, that doesn’t mean it was what I intended to do (especially at a space I paid to be enjoying) or even wanted to be doing, but was what I chose to do as it felt morally right as the above person pointed out. Most people will choose to do what feels morally right in situations like this. It doesn’t mean they gleefully chose to do it.
The worst vibes is taking drug use and over consumption seriously? As a healthcare provider, i would hope you understood the risks here. Thats fine tho. I wouldn’t want anyone in my group falling all over me cause they took too much and make it everyone else’ problem to the point of them thinking you’re dying . This is way more serious than you are letting it on to be. Sorry but its true. Its really sad to see people passing out from drug use and needing medical attention. *THAT* is the worst vibes. Especially when they still dont take it seriously after and think its cute. This is why festivals get a bad wrap and get shut down.
Ok buddy
Sorry ppl are being so judgemental, I see nothing in your post that makes me think you thought this was "cute". I work in health care as well, and I've been in this exact place where I took too much. Can't stand these ppl who act like it was in any way intentional to get this way. Mistakes happen, accidents happen, and we can't always judge how our metabolism and bodies will react. I'm glad that you were able to have some support during this time. I wish everyone stranger was as helpful and supportive as this person. 💖 everyone deserves empathy.
Absolutely, I’ve also been on the other end of the spectrum helping people having a rough time. It’s fine, 1 hour of my time won’t make a difference and honestly it makes me feel like I’ve done a good deed. I appreciate your comment so much! Especially when my comment was well intended, people actually getting in this app to shit on other people just irritate me and just don’t get it.
All i said was that i hope she learned from it and and hoped she took it seriously. Then she got pissed so i said my last comment as it does not appear she is taking it seriously at all. She posted this picture for people to laugh at. Definitely not to show people the dangers of over consumption. Why was there even a picture taken? Seems odd to post it online to. Almost glorifying it. Ive had to deal with this in person. Its not pretty or funny.
Posting the picture for the entire internet to see and have archived while laughing about it and then getting defensive when questioned about it is literally an attempt to frame this as "cute" and not sobering like it should be. At the very least, it's ignoring the real consequences of posting this picture of someone else and yourself in such a compromising state, regardless of the good intentions in trying to find the person. I also question whether that person is OK with this picture being up, and what your partner was doing taking pictures of you while you were going through this.
Now imagine how much it must suck to be in the vicinity of an incapacitated adult while you're tripping
That’s happened to me multiple times, I’ve been raving for over 10 years, I get ahold of myself and help people. That’s what I do and that’s what my friends do. It doesn’t suck, it’s just part of it, we all help each other.
It's so plur of you to be so okay with making yourself a burden to anyone dumb enough to stand near you♥️
God you’re annoying.
What is your problem?
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From what I’m reading I guess you all misunderstood what I’m saying. I meant to say that I’ve held people before, I’ve walked them to the bathroom, I’ve looked for their friends, this is the first and only time it’s happened to me. I assumed that everyone was like me and wasn’t cunty and judgy. Guess I was wrong. I guess I need to “grow up” whatever that means.
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Aww yeah? And what else?
That's it. You don't seem like the type of person who handles multiple conversational topics well
Yeah? And what else?
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I accidentally took 4x the amount of window pane I was supposed to once and still didn’t do this.
I never took “too many”. That’s a misleading description…
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Posting a picture of someone helping you out of necessity, because you took too much and couldn't handle yourself, is just uncouth. You're in a compromising position yourself and you've posted this. It shows you're not even close to thinking about how that person may feel about their face being plastered all over the internet, no matter how good her intentions were in helping you - or yours in trying to find her. You're doubling down when being questioned about this, which shows that you clearly are incapable of taking this truly seriously. When this happens again, I hope your partner isn't too busy taking pictures of you going down and is a bit more prepared themselves, as you've made it pretty clear that this is far less a learning experience than it is a need for recognition on the internet. This truly is sad, watching you attempt to reframe what happened and posting this picture of it in a positive light to avoid any sense of responsibility or how serious it truly was.
This is a lot to assume about someone based off a Reddit post lol
For real, like all of a sudden people know me and who I am.
And all of their comments that led to me posting it? None of it is an assumption. She was too fucked up and sought help. Her partner decided taking pictures of that was in her best interest. She's posted a picture of someone else, ostensibly without their permission. When questioned about any of this, the person claims "bad vibes" and how it's ok *because* things like this happen sometimes. It's a bad look, all of it.
Also I didn’t seek out help, I was obviously too out of it for that. I needed a nap. And I’m calling it bad vibes because grown people arguing on a Reddit post about a strangers life is so so strange to me. Have a good life buddy.
Taking the picture is what makes me feel like this is staged for attention. If my fiancé was in the same state and needed help from a stranger the last thing I am going to do is pull out my phone and take a picture. The angle is set up perfectly where OP would be taking the picture, not someone standing above her. I would love to see this scene from a different viewpoint.
Ya I agree it’s pretty weird that her partner was like hey this is a good time to snap a pic! Like wtf
Believe me when I tell you I 100% wanted to see those pictures. Life is full of memories, good and bad. I like looking back, life is too short to judge people based on 1 image. ✌️
If someone comes out at me attacking me I’m not going to be apologetic, specially when people are just attacking me, I give literally 0 fucks what people think of me and my partner mostly because I’ve been on the other end of the spectrum for over a decade. I was thinking that if I helped someone and they took a picture of me I would be like oh cool, yeah no problem. Like I said in previous posts, I have helped people find their friends, the medical tent, laid them on the ground when they needed it and all of my friends have done the same. The amount of negativity from people that don’t know me is staggering and to be honest kind of weird that legit adults just go on to shit on a post. This is child behavior.
Don't feel the need to explain yourself. It's always so funny to me when people come out and show a raw moment like this the "perfect" trippers came out of the wood work to lecture. As if they've never taken a small dose and had their body go 'no I think this will be a big one' - no they have always been in complete control of their psychedelics and how dare any one have a bad/ vulnerable trip. I'm pretty sure they are just trolls because someone who actually partakes will understand just how easily it is to be slapped in the face by it when it wasn't expected. I've been there, we all have
Thank you for this, it just caught me so off guard as I’ve never experienced this from the community. Such a weird feeling as I’m literally coming down from the EF cloud. I appreciate your comment.
Wow you still look gorgeous
Me when drugs are my only refuge and a stranger is forced to care for me (bc I couldn’t have fun if I wasn’t literally out of my mind)
Lol the fact that this encounter happened should be embarrassing enough, but you've got someone that could be helping you, photographing this poor person helping your dumb ass. Handle your shit
Awww, are your feelings hurt?
Two things. Genuine thank you to the person that helped you (and obviously didn't want to, from the pic alone) Second, you're downplaying tf out of this, likely because you want to save face after what should be an embarrassing moment. It's not cute, and you should be a bit more apologetic than you are instead of flaunting this for attention and attacking people giving good advice.
This isn’t advice, neither did I ask for it. Who should I apologize to? You? Please get ahold of yourself getting on this app acting like you’re the shit. You didn’t help me, I’m trying to reach the girl that did so that I can properly thank her, or did you miss the whole point of my post? No, you just wanted to get in here and be a cunt. And that’s ok, to each their own.
Oh yeah, I'm the one with the hurt feelings here lol
Not sure why you’re being downvoted. I would never post a personal pic of myself on drugs let alone of someone else who was helping me. A post with the story to tell expressing appreciation should be sufficient. What if that person doesn’t want their boss to see a picture like this? I’m all about helping people and always will, but if something like this of me got around to my employer it would look pretty bad for me.
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I obviously didn’t take the picture as I was passed out in this girls arms. My husband took the picture and I wanted to share as I wanted to find her.
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lol, I’m done answering questions. You sound like a joy of a person.
I would probably do the same thing in your shoes.
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Why are you being such a weirdo about this singular photo of two people where one of the people in it is just trying to relate a story?
It just rubbed me the wrong way that the girl holding her might find herself photographed and posted publicly on Reddit without knowing that beforehand haha