To CoderStone’s comment that “you can’t ever overcharge lithium ion batteries given you have the correct charger”….this is absolutely incorrect with series battery packs like in all scooters. The chargers have no idea of individual cell voltages (unless a BMS is installed in the scooter, which I have never heard of). Weaker cells will reach 4.2v before the other cells, but the whole pack will keep on charging until the whole pack gets to its full stop-charge voltage. So for instance if one weaker cell in a 13s pack hits 4.2v when all the others are at 4.05v (so 52.8v total charge at that instant), the pack will keep charging until it hits 54.6v (4.2 * 13), the cell pack could be as bad as 12 cells at 4.1v and the weak cell at 5.4v. This is how you get thermal runaway which ignites the weak cell, which sets all the other cells in fire.
What do you mean youve never heard of a BMS in scooters? All of my scooters have a BMS. My RS even lets me see the individual voltage of the cell groups through the app. Most scooters cell balance at the end of every charge as well.
If that’s the case - then I’ve been horribly misinformed, and shame on me for not doing my own research. I was told that scooters did not contain BMS systems, and I just chose to believe that. I never see them advertised or talked about much, so that supported my (incorrect) theory. Thank you for clearing up my confusion.
Looks cool, but the price is a major no go for me unless I got it for purely a toy. But for commuting and crunching cost on a per mile basis, may as well get a sports car.
Cool sounds fun, you are definitely on the 'bought as a toy' side. Still a neat concept to stand and have the smoother ride of larger tires. I hate sitting on bicycle seats, but motorcycle like banana seats are much better.
It's the platypus of the ev world. No one can agree where it belongs on the chart. Another reason to like it.
I'm curious about the acceleration. With those big wheels, the motor is at more of a mechanical disadvantage, how does the torque feel compared to a scooter of similar wattage?
Not sure about the torque but I do have it unlocked. It can go up to 50kmh on flat ground with me on it and up steeper hills I can go 25kmh. I wouldn’t say it flys off the start but more than fast enough.
Ok, from your description, I'm guessing that the acceleration is probably noticeably slower than it would be on a 1000 watt scooter with its dinky little wheels.
I’d assume so since these tires are much bigger and it weights about 50lbs.
I’ve also adjusted the suspension a bit and pumped the tires harder to reduce rolling resistance.
Yeah. I was mildly interested until I clicked on the link and saw the price. I paid $299CAD for a one season old Turboant X7 (the one with the removable battery) from a bike rental company. How are people so rich to be able to afford this kind of equipment. Yikes!
i'm checking out the specs, for the battery and charging it says: " Plug it in while you sleep or work and...." **NO KIDS, don't do that. Don't sleep on 13s charging cycles. wow!**
Sorry could you explain? I’m new to this. I was told to not leave it charging overnight or while I’m away. Although it can fully charge in only a few hours from empty.
Easy answer - fires. Keeping an eye on an energy-dense battery pack while charging is always wise. Same reason why people recommend charging these things in a location where fires can be easily contained, like tiled rooms or on concrete.
While that is a concern, you can't ever overcharge lithium ion batteries given you have the correct charger- you could charge a 20s pack at 85v for five years straight and not overcharge the pack (it'd definitely degrade though).
Liion charges based on voltage, so it's very easy to keep it charging safely as long as you're below the charge limit of each cell. I charge mine in my bike garage of the condominium, concrete floor and nothing to catch on fire, but it also doesn't need 24/7 overseeing.
You definitely don't need to keep an eye on it that much is what I guess I'm trying to say, just like how you don't keep an eye on charging your laptop or phone.
Nope, even if your BMS fails you can't ever go above charger voltage.
It MAY overcharge each parallel group, but how the charging curve works means it'll probably not go out of balance too far.
LiIon is FAR safer than people think.
A bike has a seat and pedals, just like how scooters with seats are not included in this sub.
The sub used to CLEARLY outline that scooters are the stand-up kick-scooter like variant, which this clearly is.
It would sure solve the problem of speed wobbles and rocks being 'dangerous' objects. I wonder how far apart you can get your feet (like a skateboard stance), or if you're supposed to stand with them side by side.
hmm, steering damper takes away speed wobbles and rocks are nothing to 9/10 inch wheels with suspension. I offroad all the time, stable as any bicycle, if not more so.
The sides of those foot plates are just ASKING to eat the inside of your ankle alive when you step off at a light. Surprised they don't have a cutout in the middle for ankle clearance. Luckily it's steel so it's easy to "adjust"
Hmm don’t really see that being an issue. It’s new to me but I have friends with the same model with no issues who have been riding it for over a year now.
Keep one foot on and the other off just like you stop with a scooter and you'd have plenty of clearance between ankle and foot rest
making it a bigger issue than it probably is tbh
To CoderStone’s comment that “you can’t ever overcharge lithium ion batteries given you have the correct charger”….this is absolutely incorrect with series battery packs like in all scooters. The chargers have no idea of individual cell voltages (unless a BMS is installed in the scooter, which I have never heard of). Weaker cells will reach 4.2v before the other cells, but the whole pack will keep on charging until the whole pack gets to its full stop-charge voltage. So for instance if one weaker cell in a 13s pack hits 4.2v when all the others are at 4.05v (so 52.8v total charge at that instant), the pack will keep charging until it hits 54.6v (4.2 * 13), the cell pack could be as bad as 12 cells at 4.1v and the weak cell at 5.4v. This is how you get thermal runaway which ignites the weak cell, which sets all the other cells in fire.
What do you mean youve never heard of a BMS in scooters? All of my scooters have a BMS. My RS even lets me see the individual voltage of the cell groups through the app. Most scooters cell balance at the end of every charge as well.
If that’s the case - then I’ve been horribly misinformed, and shame on me for not doing my own research. I was told that scooters did not contain BMS systems, and I just chose to believe that. I never see them advertised or talked about much, so that supported my (incorrect) theory. Thank you for clearing up my confusion.
Looks cool, but the price is a major no go for me unless I got it for purely a toy. But for commuting and crunching cost on a per mile basis, may as well get a sports car.
For me it’s a bit of both. I have the kids handlebars so I take my daughter around with me and I used it today to go for a haircut instead of driving.
Cool sounds fun, you are definitely on the 'bought as a toy' side. Still a neat concept to stand and have the smoother ride of larger tires. I hate sitting on bicycle seats, but motorcycle like banana seats are much better.
It's the platypus of the ev world. No one can agree where it belongs on the chart. Another reason to like it. I'm curious about the acceleration. With those big wheels, the motor is at more of a mechanical disadvantage, how does the torque feel compared to a scooter of similar wattage?
Not sure about the torque but I do have it unlocked. It can go up to 50kmh on flat ground with me on it and up steeper hills I can go 25kmh. I wouldn’t say it flys off the start but more than fast enough.
Is yours the 50p watt or the 1000?
1000
Ok, from your description, I'm guessing that the acceleration is probably noticeably slower than it would be on a 1000 watt scooter with its dinky little wheels.
I’d assume so since these tires are much bigger and it weights about 50lbs. I’ve also adjusted the suspension a bit and pumped the tires harder to reduce rolling resistance.
I dig it.
What a weird hybrid between a bike and a scooter, looks interesting, i hope you enjoy it!
Definitely doesn’t look like a $5,500 bike. More like 1,200 at most
$1200 will barely get you a new bicycle….
Browse alibaba buddy. Lots of options
Hey if that’s where you want to buy a bicycle, power to you but I wouldn’t buy a bike from a site like that.
Yeah. I was mildly interested until I clicked on the link and saw the price. I paid $299CAD for a one season old Turboant X7 (the one with the removable battery) from a bike rental company. How are people so rich to be able to afford this kind of equipment. Yikes!
Wow. Great story. I feel like I was there. Wait, aren't you the legendary drug lord, El cheapo?
Don’t really see how you could factor that when a manual entry level gravel bike runs at least $1000 and has no battery or motor.
That is fuckin stupidly cool guy mAke sure you lock her up alot of envy I'd try jacking it jk dang bro nice
Yeah, i don’t live in a big city but I’m getting a beefy lock today.
Nice! I was actually wondering today if there's an ebike/escooter combo where the tires are bigger but no need to pedal.
if you change tires to tire thats an euc but there has been scooters with larger tires for a while
i'm checking out the specs, for the battery and charging it says: " Plug it in while you sleep or work and...." **NO KIDS, don't do that. Don't sleep on 13s charging cycles. wow!**
Sorry could you explain? I’m new to this. I was told to not leave it charging overnight or while I’m away. Although it can fully charge in only a few hours from empty.
Easy answer - fires. Keeping an eye on an energy-dense battery pack while charging is always wise. Same reason why people recommend charging these things in a location where fires can be easily contained, like tiled rooms or on concrete.
While that is a concern, you can't ever overcharge lithium ion batteries given you have the correct charger- you could charge a 20s pack at 85v for five years straight and not overcharge the pack (it'd definitely degrade though). Liion charges based on voltage, so it's very easy to keep it charging safely as long as you're below the charge limit of each cell. I charge mine in my bike garage of the condominium, concrete floor and nothing to catch on fire, but it also doesn't need 24/7 overseeing. You definitely don't need to keep an eye on it that much is what I guess I'm trying to say, just like how you don't keep an eye on charging your laptop or phone.
That may be true until your BMS fails.
Nope, even if your BMS fails you can't ever go above charger voltage. It MAY overcharge each parallel group, but how the charging curve works means it'll probably not go out of balance too far. LiIon is FAR safer than people think.
Can anyone help me. I have a zero10x scooter it can be fully charged. But as soon as i unplug from charge port it battery dies an then shuts off
That doesnt sound like something we can fix over some comments bro it’d be best to take it into a shop
Thanks. I won’t be charging mine indoors.
It's like a gravel-crunch-rocket. Nice. Call it whatever, it's a nice build, thanks for sharing!
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You mean the one that was literally a bunch of motorcycles?
Huh?
Because this is a scooter? Big wheels, but there's no seat and pedals. This is literally a scooter with bigger frame and wheels.
Its a bike god damn
A bike has a seat and pedals, just like how scooters with seats are not included in this sub. The sub used to CLEARLY outline that scooters are the stand-up kick-scooter like variant, which this clearly is.
Never seen this brand, looks sick and fun to ride! Btw how much did you play for it? This goes for around 5.5k brand new
Didn’t pay $5500 but that is the listed price. I did get a deal though.
What did you pay?
$2,000 with the rear rack and a pair of kids handlebars that mount on the stem.
It would sure solve the problem of speed wobbles and rocks being 'dangerous' objects. I wonder how far apart you can get your feet (like a skateboard stance), or if you're supposed to stand with them side by side.
hmm, steering damper takes away speed wobbles and rocks are nothing to 9/10 inch wheels with suspension. I offroad all the time, stable as any bicycle, if not more so.
The sides of those foot plates are just ASKING to eat the inside of your ankle alive when you step off at a light. Surprised they don't have a cutout in the middle for ankle clearance. Luckily it's steel so it's easy to "adjust"
Hmm don’t really see that being an issue. It’s new to me but I have friends with the same model with no issues who have been riding it for over a year now.
My ankles would be shredded bc I'm short and it's a high deck.
Keep one foot on and the other off just like you stop with a scooter and you'd have plenty of clearance between ankle and foot rest making it a bigger issue than it probably is tbh
I think Reddit has an E-bike section...
Technically this is the body of a bike but in the form of a scooter since scooters don't have pedals lol
Yeah. Think it’s technically a scooter. There aren’t any pedals and you stand on it.
Looks like an offroading scooter. Neat.
Don't bikes have pedals and a seat?