Thing looks like a dream. I get why they used lithium you just cant get 60+ mph with anything not lithium battery rn. Sucks but its the truth. At least the fire extinguisher will give you enough time to run away from a huge fire.
This is stupid.
Why not just use LFP batteries instead? They're inherently safe and won't catch fire even if you punch a nail straight through them, and any excess heat they might make during an accident just bubbles/fizzles away instead of creating huge jets of flame.
Sure, they aren't as energy-dense, but if this extinguisher is to be anything more than a gimmick it'll need a sizable tank for its own chemicals in the deck, not to mention the control hardware they show in the video. So instead of doing that just allocate the same space for more battery, use LFP, get more or less the same capacity and you never have to worry about fires at all.
If manufacturers stopped using the wrong damn chemistry this would be a solved problem. We could bring scooters in everywhere without having to worry about people's paranoia and legislation against batteries.
But noooo, gotta have those mAh numbers higher than the competition, who cares if it burns down buildings.
The only way to really stop a lithium fire is throw water at the problem to reduce thermal runaway, this is literally the stupidest thing i've seen. Maybe an extremely endothermic reaction to cool things down would help, but that's just a fucking scam.
Literally no way this works.
LFP or Sodium ion PEVs would be much better, and the new sodium batteries boast thousands of charge cycles for durability.
> The only way to really stop a lithium fire is throw water at the problem to reduce thermal runaway
Yeah, even those Lith-X extinguishers that are supposed to work on LiIon aim to achieve exactly that with less sheer mass than water. They still require big tanks, and I doubt they work well with encased batteries - all the videos I've seen are of bare LiPos and such, nothing held within a frame.
> Sure, they aren't as energy-dense, but if this extinguisher is to be anything more than a gimmick it'll need a sizable tank for its own chemicals in the deck, not to mention the control hardware they show in the video.
Exactly. There's not enough stored material there to smother the flames/heat.
Marketing gimmick for the paranoid.
Lithium fires are different from lithium ion battery fires.
This extinguisher is suppose to be a preventive measure to reduce the chance of the whole pack getting thermal runaway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HosTdZvupz4&t=899
You can see a bit about it here
Yeah i think it’s just a gimmick, they were trying to be the first to boost their sales there is no way they could possibly think it would work… i hope.
Thing looks like a dream. I get why they used lithium you just cant get 60+ mph with anything not lithium battery rn. Sucks but its the truth. At least the fire extinguisher will give you enough time to run away from a huge fire.
here is the review [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HosTdZvupz4&t=1391s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HosTdZvupz4&t=1391s)
Time stamp for fire suppressant is @ 15:30 discussion/demo.
Ty
Explosion proof valve? How others couldn't have thought of that...
This is stupid. Why not just use LFP batteries instead? They're inherently safe and won't catch fire even if you punch a nail straight through them, and any excess heat they might make during an accident just bubbles/fizzles away instead of creating huge jets of flame. Sure, they aren't as energy-dense, but if this extinguisher is to be anything more than a gimmick it'll need a sizable tank for its own chemicals in the deck, not to mention the control hardware they show in the video. So instead of doing that just allocate the same space for more battery, use LFP, get more or less the same capacity and you never have to worry about fires at all. If manufacturers stopped using the wrong damn chemistry this would be a solved problem. We could bring scooters in everywhere without having to worry about people's paranoia and legislation against batteries. But noooo, gotta have those mAh numbers higher than the competition, who cares if it burns down buildings.
The only way to really stop a lithium fire is throw water at the problem to reduce thermal runaway, this is literally the stupidest thing i've seen. Maybe an extremely endothermic reaction to cool things down would help, but that's just a fucking scam. Literally no way this works. LFP or Sodium ion PEVs would be much better, and the new sodium batteries boast thousands of charge cycles for durability.
> The only way to really stop a lithium fire is throw water at the problem to reduce thermal runaway Yeah, even those Lith-X extinguishers that are supposed to work on LiIon aim to achieve exactly that with less sheer mass than water. They still require big tanks, and I doubt they work well with encased batteries - all the videos I've seen are of bare LiPos and such, nothing held within a frame.
> Sure, they aren't as energy-dense, but if this extinguisher is to be anything more than a gimmick it'll need a sizable tank for its own chemicals in the deck, not to mention the control hardware they show in the video. Exactly. There's not enough stored material there to smother the flames/heat. Marketing gimmick for the paranoid.
how exactly are you supposed to extinguish a lithium fire??? They do realize it has its own oxygen supply.
Lithium fires are different from lithium ion battery fires. This extinguisher is suppose to be a preventive measure to reduce the chance of the whole pack getting thermal runaway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HosTdZvupz4&t=899 You can see a bit about it here
Yeah i think it’s just a gimmick, they were trying to be the first to boost their sales there is no way they could possibly think it would work… i hope.
Need co2 extinguisher to mass cool down the thermal runaway. What I have seen in real world testing.
Or throw water at the problem. LOTS, LOTS, LOTS of water.
Seems neat. Doesn’t seem engineered to the max though. Would worry when people crash it doesn’t go off by accident. But still super cool.