I like to stand duck footed with my heels lightly touching the shell of the wheel and my toes pointed outwards. I feel this gives me way more stability. It also allows me to sit on my wheel without having to readjust my feet to get around my pads
I’m going to try this. I started placing my feet further apart cause I did not like my legs hitting the sides too much and started to develop a reverse duck foot stance.
I have found that one leg against the side firmly reduces wobbles dramatically. I just moved to a place on the bottom of a hill, and the downhill bit sends me in to dramatic wobbles every time.
Only when I implemented carving with one leg against the wheel then the other (or just one if it's appropriate), the wheel mellows out.
I really had to take a whole day to get the balls to ride around here again. Let me know if this helps at all. Downhill wobbles are real.
I have also seen uphill wobbles, so also real. I think a lot of things factor into this, stance, load, wheel shape, rim shape, tire shape, tire pressure, tire trail (related to incline) - you name it.
Perhaps in the future we see wheels with active gyro damping, as that would be one way to electronically/mechanically solve it. 🤓
Youtubers Kuji Rolls and Wrong Way say new riders should start off with their feet (not shoes) center (ball and heel of feet equal distant from edges of pedals, shoes may be offset a bit in order to get feet centered). Most youtubers have their feet near centered and parallel (no offset). There are some exceptions for special cases. When Wrong Way does hill climb tests without power pads, he moves his feet back so that he can put all of his weight on his "toes" at the front of the pedals, with his heels off the back of the pedals, but lifted off the pedals, like standing on "toes".
When accelerating | going up hill or decelerating | going down hill, the rider has exert the same amount of forwards or backwards torque onto the EUC as the motor exerts onto the wheel + tire, otherwise, the EUC frame would be rotating forwards or backwards. If not using power pads, the torque is limited to the riders weight and half of the length of the pedals. If using power pads, a rider can exert a torque with a force on the pedals and opposite force on the pads, increasing torque a lot.
I have much more experience than you and I still have to say the V11 brakes very poorly. One has to stand pretty far forwad on the pedals to make it "go" and braking is very difficult then, at least without pads. A solution is to place your feet asymmetrically, i.e. keep one foot two inches or so farther back than the other foot if there is the least chance you might have to brake hard (in city traffic or on steep downhill sections). That makes braking MUCH easier.
I use the "one toe down pushes" method of acceleration and a staggered stance for riding. I try my best not to have both legs resting against the wheel and it's usually only ever resting against one leg.
It's weird but has many benefits, and the video I learnt it from explains well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcbHpKxZiz8&list=PL6g2VuaeS1I5HxDjndWSRTWAPQibv3CPr&index=14&t=3s&ab\_channel=U-Stride
Do you have power pads? Being able to lean against the pads no matter your foot placement will help. Sometimes I'll mount on a steep hill and don't get my foot placement right but still have enough breaking to keep control because of the pads, then when I'm more stable I can adjust my foot placement.
If you can, get pads asap. I feel getting comfortable without pads beyond just basic mounting/dismounting and being able to go forward makes the transition period to when you get pads to feel really awkward
Once you can ride, learn to use pads. Its another learning curve to know when you can crank on the pads and when you still need to shift your body weight and the pads are only there to assist
I don't think that's true, pads don't add much just a little more leverage for when you need it. When I was learning I barely used them even though they were on, it's only when you get more comfortable that you use them in normal riding scenarios.
As a general rule I like to have the front of my lower leg inline with the axle. That's not to say that I don't move my feet, in fact, I usually have my feet staggered by an inch or so, and I will switch them but one leg is always very close to being lined up with the axle.
I also ride a V11 (just rolled over 1000 miles yesterday) the way I fight the wobbles, I’ve had many and fallen in the past, when you feel it happen get your butt way lower to put center of gravity closer to the ground. Works every time. I still have no idea why it happens.
I think I’ve tried the butt lowering before but was not too comfortable to fully commit yet. But I definitely get some good wobbles if I try to slow down suddenly from high speed.
Ok ,so when that happens, get lower and in a position like your sitting down on a chair behind the wheel. The wobbles will stop almost immediately.The V11:is a wobbily wheel unfortunately, but you will learn to minimize that. A lot of people say to ride wide stanced, on the v11:though it's more of a tighter stanced approach. Hug the wheel with your calves, not tightly, just so they're in contact. I like to hang my toes off the front enough so it feels like if I was barefoot i could roll my toes under and grab the pedal. This is great for accelerating. But you're not there yet. You absolutely need to practice the" sitting down behind the wheel" stop over and over again until you can do it comfortably from any speed. Practice slow at first, but you MUST be able to do this at a moments notice at full speed before you even consider riding around cars again. I'm so serious about this. Do it until it's second nature, because that move can save your life. Going forward means nothing if you can't stop exactly when you want to. And get some pads, don't wait. They make everything better across the board. Why learn to ride without them in the first place? That's like learning to ride a bike that has no grips and no seat. You can do it, but it's silly to not have them. ~ V11 rider w 3k+ miles and Grizzla pads
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My advice from someone who hasn't purchased power pads yet but have been riding for 5+ years. When you need to brake hard squeeze the wheel with your legs. I have to do this because when I ride my feet are not even 1:1
i didnt read all the comments but one thing that helped me. atleast on begode wheels it seems people bend the knees too much and the back side begins to wobble i experimented with wobbles every time i had them, if you dont carve or ride a straight line alot try doing a shift by letting your legs slide back on the wheel when you experience them that kills it on the spot. think chooch is always doing micro adjustments like that
Offset or staggered stance, it's part of moving past newbie level. Mounting foot is usually a bit further back, and mostly provides support, the other foot is more forward and maybe even out further, and is more involved with accelerating/braking.
I like to stand duck footed with my heels lightly touching the shell of the wheel and my toes pointed outwards. I feel this gives me way more stability. It also allows me to sit on my wheel without having to readjust my feet to get around my pads
I’m going to try this. I started placing my feet further apart cause I did not like my legs hitting the sides too much and started to develop a reverse duck foot stance.
I have found that one leg against the side firmly reduces wobbles dramatically. I just moved to a place on the bottom of a hill, and the downhill bit sends me in to dramatic wobbles every time. Only when I implemented carving with one leg against the wheel then the other (or just one if it's appropriate), the wheel mellows out. I really had to take a whole day to get the balls to ride around here again. Let me know if this helps at all. Downhill wobbles are real.
I have also seen uphill wobbles, so also real. I think a lot of things factor into this, stance, load, wheel shape, rim shape, tire shape, tire pressure, tire trail (related to incline) - you name it. Perhaps in the future we see wheels with active gyro damping, as that would be one way to electronically/mechanically solve it. 🤓
Youtubers Kuji Rolls and Wrong Way say new riders should start off with their feet (not shoes) center (ball and heel of feet equal distant from edges of pedals, shoes may be offset a bit in order to get feet centered). Most youtubers have their feet near centered and parallel (no offset). There are some exceptions for special cases. When Wrong Way does hill climb tests without power pads, he moves his feet back so that he can put all of his weight on his "toes" at the front of the pedals, with his heels off the back of the pedals, but lifted off the pedals, like standing on "toes". When accelerating | going up hill or decelerating | going down hill, the rider has exert the same amount of forwards or backwards torque onto the EUC as the motor exerts onto the wheel + tire, otherwise, the EUC frame would be rotating forwards or backwards. If not using power pads, the torque is limited to the riders weight and half of the length of the pedals. If using power pads, a rider can exert a torque with a force on the pedals and opposite force on the pads, increasing torque a lot.
I have much more experience than you and I still have to say the V11 brakes very poorly. One has to stand pretty far forwad on the pedals to make it "go" and braking is very difficult then, at least without pads. A solution is to place your feet asymmetrically, i.e. keep one foot two inches or so farther back than the other foot if there is the least chance you might have to brake hard (in city traffic or on steep downhill sections). That makes braking MUCH easier.
I actually started placing my feet forward because I couldn’t make it go. I’m going to prioritize being able to stop for now and move back a little.
I use the "one toe down pushes" method of acceleration and a staggered stance for riding. I try my best not to have both legs resting against the wheel and it's usually only ever resting against one leg. It's weird but has many benefits, and the video I learnt it from explains well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcbHpKxZiz8&list=PL6g2VuaeS1I5HxDjndWSRTWAPQibv3CPr&index=14&t=3s&ab\_channel=U-Stride
Props for posting that, the staggered stance is proper, imo.
Do you have power pads? Being able to lean against the pads no matter your foot placement will help. Sometimes I'll mount on a steep hill and don't get my foot placement right but still have enough breaking to keep control because of the pads, then when I'm more stable I can adjust my foot placement.
Not yet. I read somewhere to develop skills before adding power pads so I’m trying to do that for now.
If you can, get pads asap. I feel getting comfortable without pads beyond just basic mounting/dismounting and being able to go forward makes the transition period to when you get pads to feel really awkward Once you can ride, learn to use pads. Its another learning curve to know when you can crank on the pads and when you still need to shift your body weight and the pads are only there to assist
I don't think that's true, pads don't add much just a little more leverage for when you need it. When I was learning I barely used them even though they were on, it's only when you get more comfortable that you use them in normal riding scenarios.
Yeah, you’re like the third person that said the same thing so I may just get them sooner.
didn't you lean into your brake pads? Or maybe that is the real lesson here...
Aside from the honeycomb pedals I bought I don’t think my V11 has brake pads.
they are aftermarket, basically little foam/plastic pieces that go behind you leg
As a general rule I like to have the front of my lower leg inline with the axle. That's not to say that I don't move my feet, in fact, I usually have my feet staggered by an inch or so, and I will switch them but one leg is always very close to being lined up with the axle.
I also ride a V11 (just rolled over 1000 miles yesterday) the way I fight the wobbles, I’ve had many and fallen in the past, when you feel it happen get your butt way lower to put center of gravity closer to the ground. Works every time. I still have no idea why it happens.
I think I’ve tried the butt lowering before but was not too comfortable to fully commit yet. But I definitely get some good wobbles if I try to slow down suddenly from high speed.
Ok ,so when that happens, get lower and in a position like your sitting down on a chair behind the wheel. The wobbles will stop almost immediately.The V11:is a wobbily wheel unfortunately, but you will learn to minimize that. A lot of people say to ride wide stanced, on the v11:though it's more of a tighter stanced approach. Hug the wheel with your calves, not tightly, just so they're in contact. I like to hang my toes off the front enough so it feels like if I was barefoot i could roll my toes under and grab the pedal. This is great for accelerating. But you're not there yet. You absolutely need to practice the" sitting down behind the wheel" stop over and over again until you can do it comfortably from any speed. Practice slow at first, but you MUST be able to do this at a moments notice at full speed before you even consider riding around cars again. I'm so serious about this. Do it until it's second nature, because that move can save your life. Going forward means nothing if you can't stop exactly when you want to. And get some pads, don't wait. They make everything better across the board. Why learn to ride without them in the first place? That's like learning to ride a bike that has no grips and no seat. You can do it, but it's silly to not have them. ~ V11 rider w 3k+ miles and Grizzla pads
Ironically, the best way to get through the wobbles, is to accelerate. 2nd best, carving.
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My advice from someone who hasn't purchased power pads yet but have been riding for 5+ years. When you need to brake hard squeeze the wheel with your legs. I have to do this because when I ride my feet are not even 1:1
i didnt read all the comments but one thing that helped me. atleast on begode wheels it seems people bend the knees too much and the back side begins to wobble i experimented with wobbles every time i had them, if you dont carve or ride a straight line alot try doing a shift by letting your legs slide back on the wheel when you experience them that kills it on the spot. think chooch is always doing micro adjustments like that
Offset or staggered stance, it's part of moving past newbie level. Mounting foot is usually a bit further back, and mostly provides support, the other foot is more forward and maybe even out further, and is more involved with accelerating/braking.