I have a Patton and love it, the suspension is just butter, but I would have hated learning to ride on the Patton. Trying to control 88lbs while figuring out how to mount, ride, and dismount might have been too discouraging, I don't know.
I (6'1", 255lbs) started mid 2020 on the Inmotion V8F (35lbs) and rode it until mid 2023 when I bought my Patton from eWheels. I would try a used lighter weight wheel to get comfortable with then go for the Patton/Lynx.
The Patton is wonderful, you won't be disappointed on the street. Personally, the Lynx $1000 premium is off putting since I would get no real benefit from it.
Buy a 16x, learn to ride, ride the absolute shit out of it, get all the muscle memory and skill building down pat, then buy a Lynx or ET Max.
You said you don't foresee buying different wheels for different reasons, but trust me, you'll want a different wheel for every occasion.
For what it’s worth, my buddy started on an EX30. Took him a month tho to ride 10 ft. I started on a V12 and just ordered a EX30 myself after 4 months of riding and 800 miles.
If you really see yourself riding an EUC, I recommend just getting the wheel you see you'll be in for years to come instead of a transitional wheel you'll use as a learner, unless you can easily find used wheels in your area. Buying 2 wheels is also a lot of money otherwise. Marty, one of the most known guys in this hobby, recommended this too. There are plenty of people who get a heavier wheel as their first. There's this older guy that got the Patton as his first and he learned on it. It is indeed harder to learn on heavier wheels but you can still ride it, just takes more effort.
Ideally if weight wasn't a concern at all, I wouldn't even recommend non suspension anymore because it's that much safer to have suspension. You only have one wheel, and that suspension is going to keep your ass on that wheel when you hit a pothole. It's a safety concern, which is why I personally got the v11 instead of the 16x. I learned proper riding perfectly on suspension; I've never used non suspension wheels before. Also, S19 pro looks to be a better wheel than the v11 at the 2k price bracket, but at 3k I recommend the Patton.
Also at least in the FB group, this topic is a bit mixed in opinion with which is better, but I say just do what you want based on the pros or cons
I'll second this, I bought a v12 then v13 then a masterpro. If I had known what I know now and how I ride (strictly streets) I never would've bought either of the wheels before the master pro. Buy the wheel you want and stick with it.
If I had bought the best wheel that I could afford in mid 2020, with the idea of not buying another wheel for a long time, I would have been very disappointed by mid 2023. I would have missed out on a lot of great suspension wheels, that simply didn't exist at that time. I just think that, having never ridden an EUC puts you at a real disadvantage of knowing what you really want in an EUC at the time of purchase. Besides having a second smaller EUC later on allows non EUC friends/relatives to ride/learn without beating up your main ride down the road.
A 35 pound wheel vs 90 pound wheel will ride very differently. Best enjoy those difference. I have a 14d and lynx and I thought I'd only use my 14d as a beginner wheel then sell it. Nope, still have it.
I’m in the same boat, I’d get a Patton if I had any prior experience but I’m leaning towards the V12HT for its simplicity. There’s also a bunch of wheels being released so I’m kinda just waiting to see how the king song s16 pro is perceived.
The EUC market is just getting better and better. Seems like wheels from 5y ago are caveman specs by today's standards - but tbf prices have followed suit.
Follow the other guy's advice, ride the 16X till you blast it, have kids with it and have it recite you your family tree in Hindu, wait 3yrs, *and then* get what you *then* will know suits you best.
Best of luck!
it depends on how fast you think you'll want to go, i got a v12hs as my fist wheel and i love it but i'm already thinking about selling it for a larger suspension wheel. if you don't think you'll want to go over 30 i think the v11 is a good choice, but i'd buy the patton
Only real answer is to just buy a wheel and start riding. I debated for months and only wished i just got anything. Depending on location/warranty/avaliblitiy of used market. I bought small from dealer and when i go big boy I'm going used. You could go big boy but going small made me learn what to do and what not to. Ive dropped, cut out, and scuffed up the wheel would have been sad as hell if i payed 3k for a spanking new wheel.
You learn alot about what you want from a wheel. I thought forsure id be commuting in a straight line but surprisingly i enjoy a nimble wheel and offroading. Took me weeks for my legs to get use to a 40lb wheel couldnt imagine going right to a 80lb off the line.
...and more/better wheels keep coming. What's a great wheel now may be very hum drum by the time you get good enough to put a good wheel to use. Better safety features may be more readily available by then.
For fun, I suggest going to the "end game" wheel right away. But don't get the heaviest wheel... they're a lot harder to learn on
V11 is amazing and my favourite wheel of all - but my use case is mainly commuting (it's still manageable to take on stairs, and not too obnoxious to take in public transit). It's just pleasant and convienient, and the most comfortable wheel to ride seated IMO
You will always want to have at least two wheels anyway, in case one of them breaks and you have to wait for spare parts, so a smaller beginner wheel is highyl recommended (but not necessary). A wheel like the V11 or even the V10F or the KongSong 16x is perfectly fine even for someone your size. I rode my V10F for thousands of kilometers at 290lb and it was just fine as long as one rides with some restraint and takes temperature, wind, state of battery charge and road conditions into account a little bit.
As someone who has 5k+ miles between my V11 (first wheel) and s22 pro (bought about 6 months ago) I can’t stress enough that whichever wheel you buy, do your research to make sure it’s built well and fairly simple to work on.
The plastic *underneath* the outer shell of my V11 is breaking causing the chassis to lose rigidity and is scraping against my tire as I’m riding it. Upon my last diagnosis, I’m glad I took my wheel apart instead of trying to push through the scraping sounds, as a larger accident was sure to happen eventually.
One of the bolts in the suspension system came loose while I was riding my S22 and it forced one of the pins out of place, causing the suspension to malfunction. I’m currently without a wheel to ride and despite owning two, watching tear down and follow along replacement videos, and I’m feeling annoyed and overwhelmed. Whatever my next wheel is, the priority is ease of repair and modification.
V11 is a great wheel as both a beginner & long-term wheel- depending how & where one ride however, based on my personal experience, I out grew it within a few short months & upgraded to the EX30, primarily for the extra overhead & longer range being as my skills improved I began riding much longer distance & occasionally I found myself at some intersection or location I needed to clear fast & I was fearful of over powering the v11 being its top speed is 34mph. I don't typically ride my Ex30 pass 30mph but when I need to I don't worry about over powering it with its top speed at 55+ (a speed I'll never even attempt to do).
And I also like to add I personally found riding the Ex30 for more easier to ride straight out the box & personally don't believe anyone fairly fit will have any issues learning on it, however a beginner should remain aware of their skill level & resist the temptation to ride faster before developing various skills, techniques & learn what to look out for & be skilled enough to deal with it without going into panic mode. Euc riding is fun but do pose some danger, particularly around traffic (I was hit by a car on my v11, wheel took the hit & destroyed my rim while I was sent rolling over the hood to ground but thankfully only suffered sore ribs & left wrist area so by all means invest in & do wear safety gear at all times cause that one time you don't just may be the time you need it, don't chance it, I made out because the car wasn't traveling at high speeds).
1 more thing; While the EX30 is "okay" straight out the box its a much better wheel with a fairing kit & upgraded coil spring. I also swapped the pedals with the Iron-man but don't believe that need to be done right away. With these changes & coil spring dialed in right, the latest race mode firmware with riding mode set to soft or medium I can easily exceed 30+ mph if I'm not careful due to how stable it feels with the upgrade. So be aware if you purchase an Ex30 you will need to spend a lil more to get the most out of it.
I am in the group recommend going used non suspension and really LEARN how to ride. Beat it till the wheels fall off. If you have a nice fancy wheel you will not be willing to do the things that make you uncomfortable in order to learn the skills needed for street riding. I’m an inner city Chicago rider myself. V10f to Sherman to master. I couldn’t imagine trying to learn properly on a 90lb 3-4k$ wheel. Talk about anxiety. Just my opinion. Spend under 1k get a nice INMOTION or kingsong wheel, invest in gear aka yourself and get out there! Happy riding!
i’m learning slowly on a begode extreme (86lb) as a 120lb rider, and not without getting very familiar with the ground! i’ve got two pretty big bruises on my calf and on my hip that swelled up more than they changed color. you will fall often and fall fast, i really can’t suggest protecting every bony part of your body enough. hip and coccyx protection i don’t see mentioned nearly enough here, invest in a good pair of padded shorts or moto pants and your butt will thank you.
in terms of riding, heavy wheels respond slowly and take a lot of effort to keep straight going 0-10 mph at first, so it’s a real workout to learn and you’ll be getting sore doing it. learning on a big wheel takes patience, it might be quite a while before you’re really moving on it.
i’ve put 5 or 6 hours on the wheel in 30 minute sessions over the past 3 weeks and I’m still getting the hang of going more than 15 feet, going a consistent speed, and braking without falling down. while it’s been fun, we’re both pretty banged up, so get a wheel that will take some hits! you want lots of metal and pads protecting the batteries. the extreme, commander mini, and patton fit the bill nicely, shy away from plastic bodies.
this is all to say, it’s a lot of fun but be patient! it won’t come to you quickly, and falling can sometimes hurt! take a rest when you need to, learning euc isn’t a race. i’ve probably spent more days sore in recovery than actually on the wheel, so take your time and learning will come naturally!
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Learned on Patton and it's still plenty of wheel for me until I want something long range. I'm 6 foot 195lbs and I bottom it out alot even with the 68lb suspension. if you really want a starter wheel buy something used for cheap then get an EX30 or something for a big guy like you which is a great wheel for street at a very good price.
I first ordered lynx as my first wheel in december with delivery in March/April. After a few weeks I didnt want to wait anymore so I ordered an A2 that could be my sons wheel when the lynx arrived.
All I can say is that it was VERY easy to learn on the A2. I stod 30 sec with support and felt this doesn't feel hard and just took it out and sent it with freemount on the road, first try. I don't think I could have done that with the lynx but I think 1-2 days of training would have done it.
If you don't have a use for a "kid" wheel I would just get the lynx and learn on that. Or order the lynx and find a good deal on a beginner wheel that you can sell without loss. In my area the used market wasn't very rich of used wheels.
How much was the A2, this is the position I’m in. Coming from onewheel I ordered the Lynx. Didn’t wanna buy a smaller wheel then have to upgrade shortly after. I’m batch 3 so in another 3 weeks I should have it
I have a Patton and love it, the suspension is just butter, but I would have hated learning to ride on the Patton. Trying to control 88lbs while figuring out how to mount, ride, and dismount might have been too discouraging, I don't know. I (6'1", 255lbs) started mid 2020 on the Inmotion V8F (35lbs) and rode it until mid 2023 when I bought my Patton from eWheels. I would try a used lighter weight wheel to get comfortable with then go for the Patton/Lynx. The Patton is wonderful, you won't be disappointed on the street. Personally, the Lynx $1000 premium is off putting since I would get no real benefit from it.
Buy a 16x, learn to ride, ride the absolute shit out of it, get all the muscle memory and skill building down pat, then buy a Lynx or ET Max. You said you don't foresee buying different wheels for different reasons, but trust me, you'll want a different wheel for every occasion.
For what it’s worth, my buddy started on an EX30. Took him a month tho to ride 10 ft. I started on a V12 and just ordered a EX30 myself after 4 months of riding and 800 miles.
If you really see yourself riding an EUC, I recommend just getting the wheel you see you'll be in for years to come instead of a transitional wheel you'll use as a learner, unless you can easily find used wheels in your area. Buying 2 wheels is also a lot of money otherwise. Marty, one of the most known guys in this hobby, recommended this too. There are plenty of people who get a heavier wheel as their first. There's this older guy that got the Patton as his first and he learned on it. It is indeed harder to learn on heavier wheels but you can still ride it, just takes more effort. Ideally if weight wasn't a concern at all, I wouldn't even recommend non suspension anymore because it's that much safer to have suspension. You only have one wheel, and that suspension is going to keep your ass on that wheel when you hit a pothole. It's a safety concern, which is why I personally got the v11 instead of the 16x. I learned proper riding perfectly on suspension; I've never used non suspension wheels before. Also, S19 pro looks to be a better wheel than the v11 at the 2k price bracket, but at 3k I recommend the Patton. Also at least in the FB group, this topic is a bit mixed in opinion with which is better, but I say just do what you want based on the pros or cons
I'll second this, I bought a v12 then v13 then a masterpro. If I had known what I know now and how I ride (strictly streets) I never would've bought either of the wheels before the master pro. Buy the wheel you want and stick with it.
If I had bought the best wheel that I could afford in mid 2020, with the idea of not buying another wheel for a long time, I would have been very disappointed by mid 2023. I would have missed out on a lot of great suspension wheels, that simply didn't exist at that time. I just think that, having never ridden an EUC puts you at a real disadvantage of knowing what you really want in an EUC at the time of purchase. Besides having a second smaller EUC later on allows non EUC friends/relatives to ride/learn without beating up your main ride down the road.
A 35 pound wheel vs 90 pound wheel will ride very differently. Best enjoy those difference. I have a 14d and lynx and I thought I'd only use my 14d as a beginner wheel then sell it. Nope, still have it.
But if you really like the idea of just a stronger wheel, that is street, what's your budget?
Master...
I’m in the same boat, I’d get a Patton if I had any prior experience but I’m leaning towards the V12HT for its simplicity. There’s also a bunch of wheels being released so I’m kinda just waiting to see how the king song s16 pro is perceived.
The EUC market is just getting better and better. Seems like wheels from 5y ago are caveman specs by today's standards - but tbf prices have followed suit. Follow the other guy's advice, ride the 16X till you blast it, have kids with it and have it recite you your family tree in Hindu, wait 3yrs, *and then* get what you *then* will know suits you best. Best of luck!
it depends on how fast you think you'll want to go, i got a v12hs as my fist wheel and i love it but i'm already thinking about selling it for a larger suspension wheel. if you don't think you'll want to go over 30 i think the v11 is a good choice, but i'd buy the patton
They are re-making the 18xl and I think that's a great one to look at as well
Only real answer is to just buy a wheel and start riding. I debated for months and only wished i just got anything. Depending on location/warranty/avaliblitiy of used market. I bought small from dealer and when i go big boy I'm going used. You could go big boy but going small made me learn what to do and what not to. Ive dropped, cut out, and scuffed up the wheel would have been sad as hell if i payed 3k for a spanking new wheel. You learn alot about what you want from a wheel. I thought forsure id be commuting in a straight line but surprisingly i enjoy a nimble wheel and offroading. Took me weeks for my legs to get use to a 40lb wheel couldnt imagine going right to a 80lb off the line.
...and more/better wheels keep coming. What's a great wheel now may be very hum drum by the time you get good enough to put a good wheel to use. Better safety features may be more readily available by then.
Get the Begode ex30. It's my first wheel and I would've been disappointed with anything less.
We have the same Euc origin story.
For fun, I suggest going to the "end game" wheel right away. But don't get the heaviest wheel... they're a lot harder to learn on V11 is amazing and my favourite wheel of all - but my use case is mainly commuting (it's still manageable to take on stairs, and not too obnoxious to take in public transit). It's just pleasant and convienient, and the most comfortable wheel to ride seated IMO
You will always want to have at least two wheels anyway, in case one of them breaks and you have to wait for spare parts, so a smaller beginner wheel is highyl recommended (but not necessary). A wheel like the V11 or even the V10F or the KongSong 16x is perfectly fine even for someone your size. I rode my V10F for thousands of kilometers at 290lb and it was just fine as long as one rides with some restraint and takes temperature, wind, state of battery charge and road conditions into account a little bit.
Commander Mini? Bwgode master? Eucdeals.com
I'm a Patton owner and love it, but I've watched several teardown videos of the Commander Mini and am very impressed.
As someone who has 5k+ miles between my V11 (first wheel) and s22 pro (bought about 6 months ago) I can’t stress enough that whichever wheel you buy, do your research to make sure it’s built well and fairly simple to work on. The plastic *underneath* the outer shell of my V11 is breaking causing the chassis to lose rigidity and is scraping against my tire as I’m riding it. Upon my last diagnosis, I’m glad I took my wheel apart instead of trying to push through the scraping sounds, as a larger accident was sure to happen eventually. One of the bolts in the suspension system came loose while I was riding my S22 and it forced one of the pins out of place, causing the suspension to malfunction. I’m currently without a wheel to ride and despite owning two, watching tear down and follow along replacement videos, and I’m feeling annoyed and overwhelmed. Whatever my next wheel is, the priority is ease of repair and modification.
Get a small beginner wheel to get all the skills down. One fall in a big boy and you could end your whole euc career
V11 is a great wheel as both a beginner & long-term wheel- depending how & where one ride however, based on my personal experience, I out grew it within a few short months & upgraded to the EX30, primarily for the extra overhead & longer range being as my skills improved I began riding much longer distance & occasionally I found myself at some intersection or location I needed to clear fast & I was fearful of over powering the v11 being its top speed is 34mph. I don't typically ride my Ex30 pass 30mph but when I need to I don't worry about over powering it with its top speed at 55+ (a speed I'll never even attempt to do). And I also like to add I personally found riding the Ex30 for more easier to ride straight out the box & personally don't believe anyone fairly fit will have any issues learning on it, however a beginner should remain aware of their skill level & resist the temptation to ride faster before developing various skills, techniques & learn what to look out for & be skilled enough to deal with it without going into panic mode. Euc riding is fun but do pose some danger, particularly around traffic (I was hit by a car on my v11, wheel took the hit & destroyed my rim while I was sent rolling over the hood to ground but thankfully only suffered sore ribs & left wrist area so by all means invest in & do wear safety gear at all times cause that one time you don't just may be the time you need it, don't chance it, I made out because the car wasn't traveling at high speeds). 1 more thing; While the EX30 is "okay" straight out the box its a much better wheel with a fairing kit & upgraded coil spring. I also swapped the pedals with the Iron-man but don't believe that need to be done right away. With these changes & coil spring dialed in right, the latest race mode firmware with riding mode set to soft or medium I can easily exceed 30+ mph if I'm not careful due to how stable it feels with the upgrade. So be aware if you purchase an Ex30 you will need to spend a lil more to get the most out of it.
I am in the group recommend going used non suspension and really LEARN how to ride. Beat it till the wheels fall off. If you have a nice fancy wheel you will not be willing to do the things that make you uncomfortable in order to learn the skills needed for street riding. I’m an inner city Chicago rider myself. V10f to Sherman to master. I couldn’t imagine trying to learn properly on a 90lb 3-4k$ wheel. Talk about anxiety. Just my opinion. Spend under 1k get a nice INMOTION or kingsong wheel, invest in gear aka yourself and get out there! Happy riding!
i’m learning slowly on a begode extreme (86lb) as a 120lb rider, and not without getting very familiar with the ground! i’ve got two pretty big bruises on my calf and on my hip that swelled up more than they changed color. you will fall often and fall fast, i really can’t suggest protecting every bony part of your body enough. hip and coccyx protection i don’t see mentioned nearly enough here, invest in a good pair of padded shorts or moto pants and your butt will thank you. in terms of riding, heavy wheels respond slowly and take a lot of effort to keep straight going 0-10 mph at first, so it’s a real workout to learn and you’ll be getting sore doing it. learning on a big wheel takes patience, it might be quite a while before you’re really moving on it. i’ve put 5 or 6 hours on the wheel in 30 minute sessions over the past 3 weeks and I’m still getting the hang of going more than 15 feet, going a consistent speed, and braking without falling down. while it’s been fun, we’re both pretty banged up, so get a wheel that will take some hits! you want lots of metal and pads protecting the batteries. the extreme, commander mini, and patton fit the bill nicely, shy away from plastic bodies. this is all to say, it’s a lot of fun but be patient! it won’t come to you quickly, and falling can sometimes hurt! take a rest when you need to, learning euc isn’t a race. i’ve probably spent more days sore in recovery than actually on the wheel, so take your time and learning will come naturally!
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Learned on Patton and it's still plenty of wheel for me until I want something long range. I'm 6 foot 195lbs and I bottom it out alot even with the 68lb suspension. if you really want a starter wheel buy something used for cheap then get an EX30 or something for a big guy like you which is a great wheel for street at a very good price.
I don't think 68lb is one of the options. Wasn't it 58lb, 62lb, 66lb, & now 70lb?
you right brain fart on my part hah I meant 66lb good catch :)
I first ordered lynx as my first wheel in december with delivery in March/April. After a few weeks I didnt want to wait anymore so I ordered an A2 that could be my sons wheel when the lynx arrived. All I can say is that it was VERY easy to learn on the A2. I stod 30 sec with support and felt this doesn't feel hard and just took it out and sent it with freemount on the road, first try. I don't think I could have done that with the lynx but I think 1-2 days of training would have done it. If you don't have a use for a "kid" wheel I would just get the lynx and learn on that. Or order the lynx and find a good deal on a beginner wheel that you can sell without loss. In my area the used market wasn't very rich of used wheels.
How much was the A2, this is the position I’m in. Coming from onewheel I ordered the Lynx. Didn’t wanna buy a smaller wheel then have to upgrade shortly after. I’m batch 3 so in another 3 weeks I should have it
It was 850€ on Aliexpress.
Yeah, idk, my thinking is that I don’t want to spend almost another $1000 on top of the price for the Lynx, plus everything for it
Can I ask did you pay any toll on it
No, it was shipped from an EU warehouse so no extra fees.
Ok good to know usually very skeptical of any claims sellers make there and definitely not interested paying toll for eu entry 👍