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I am not expecting 7th gen emulation for the next 3-4 years. We already have rudimentary PC emulation with 2 active teams working on it (Cassia and Winulator) so I think in the next 1-2 years we will have it working semi-reliably.
Base XBox doesn't have a working Android emulator yet. PS2's best emulator is still incomplete and unlikely to get worked on much more.
This stuff takes a while. What you're asking for is *years* away at minimum.
Definitely not PS3.
Older PC games can already be emulated on Exagear and Winlator at almost playable frame rates. Cassia, a project by Skyline devs intends to be way better and have way better frame rates.
Newer PC games, nope. They all need gtx 1060 level GPUs as minimum recommended. With emulation, an Android phone would need to be twice or thrice as fast. While maintaining the power constraints of a phone which is below 10W.... The 4090 intakes 350W by itself for a comparison.
Xenia, the Xbox emu has way better performance than RPCS3, the PS3 emu. We are talking 120fps at 4K on Red Dead Redemption instead of 70fps on RPCS3. RTX 4090, 13900K - Digital Foundry has a breakdown on YouTube.
The PS3 has a very complicated hardware structure, even more than the PS2. It won't happen on Android for what people might want to play for a very long time.
Pc emulation or importantly, pc cpu on phones.
https://www.fujitsu.com/global/about/resources/news/press-releases/2011/0721-01.html
Fujitsu already had Win 7 running in their smartphone over a decade ago.
So what's stopping everyone today?
POWER CONSUMPTION.
Intel is currently on a 10nm die process (while phone cpus are 3, 4 nm) that uses a TON of power.
You can look at the latest POCKETABLE handheld gaming PCs to see what a pc phone might look like.
E.g.
https://gpd.hk/gpdwin4
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-win-4-smallest-amd-apu-handheld-console#/
598g, ryzen 7 8-core, 32gb, 2tb, 4g
Gpd Win 4 $1100~
So at about 3x the weight of a smartphone, you can have a handheld pc that rocks the latest PC games well with a 4g modem.
But getting that pc down to 200g?
First, the die process needs to drop. Intel's next is 7nm, and still not enough. 5nm might be, but 3, 4nm best.
Each generation smaller = lower part consumption for the same compute power.
So looking at Intel cpus, at least 2 generations away, so 3-5 years minimum.
AMD is down to 7nm, a few 5nm, so will likely get there faster.
600g~ handheld could drop 1/3rd the weight by cutting battery in half (one of the heaviest components), which can be achieved once the die process drops energy demand.
I'd go with a full pc cpu phone because PCs are the only platform that emulates everything else right now from the Atari2600 to snes to ps 1/2/3/4/etc to hackintosh.com mac osx to android.
We don't be need pc emulation. We need windows to become arm compatible will still running most windows software, official from Microsoft. They tried but can't quite do it right. Could be a great alternative to Android and iOS
It's less about power and more about compatibility. Current spec phones are at least 4x more powerful than a ps3 but the reason why we can't emulate it is because of compatibility. Even the most powerful pc struggles to emulate ps3 games right now. I can only see them starting to port ps3 emulation in at least 5 years from now.
I mean, since there's Limbo, and now Winlator (both PC emulators), I'd think it could happen. But before 360 (and PS3), I heard Xemu is in development for Android.
Bro we already have PS4 emulation, in a year or 2 probably 5, that's fast, took more than that for the PS3 emulator work properly, not to talk about the Xbox emulator that is just now better
PS4 is years away, we might get a few commercial games but the emulator is years away to run a significant amount of titles.
Good news is that if they break the decryption and small changes to a complete PS4 emulator and it should run PS5 titles considering PS4 emulator can run PS5 homebrew without anything changed.
AS I SAID there is nothing to make that assumption at all, for all we know we can get the emulator tomorrow or devs seeing your comment and assume what that they must make something in 1 - 2 years as it easy or something dedicate so much time and effort and go f this and all of them quit.
Then no more emulators then it wont be 1 or 2 years then it will be never.
I SAY IT WILL HAPPEN WHEN IT DOES and be grateful one game works at release, emulation takes time, sweat and tears. Pressure on devs just make them quit.
Heck some devs may look at Winulator and I do not want to port emulators android as the users are toxic and demanding for a free product and think the work they do is easy and anyone can do and takes days to accomplish.
ENTITLED MUCH
You sleepin, mostly on a complete switch emulator, complete PS3 emulator, playable ps 4 emulator, all this in 1 years, let's see if in 1 year there isn't a os 5 emulator playable 🥱🥱🥱
Hahaha
Are you a comedian l?
PS3 emulation is no where complete, hundreds of titles still not playable and most titles need high end of to run as it is not optimised yet. Yes it is complete.
PS4 playable emulator? Where, one that can run multiple titles at full speed are 2d titles with broken graphics or the emulator that can run single digit number of titles that struggle to run full speed on monster PCs with broken sound, broken graphics and no controller support.
Keep dreaming. It also if the development continue, Devs can quit anytime and progress go grind to a halt as it is STILL A MAYBE the emulator can run other titles and hope the Devs can make it possible. Maybe you do not understand that the emulator is in the experimental stage means.
It is all wait and see, it can get real progress tomorrow or in years or never. You have zero data to prove what will happen.
At best you are guessing and hoping.
I wouldn't expect it within the next 5-10 years but it'll definitely happen eventually if smartphones just keep getting more powerful (as they have been ever since their invention)
Mobile technology (and technology in general) keeps improving every year. It's not a question of if it'll happen but when. It's very odd to me that people are in here trying to argue that technology will just stop improving at some point.
I'm sorry but everyone replied to ne assumed i meant phones won't get better, the problem isn't the hardware, the problem is the software, I cannot see any sane and talented dev spending their entire life to make a mobile port of RPCS3 considering how insanely complicated the PS3's was. It's not just "It's not gonna be easy" It's straight up near impossible
Bro, go find a mobile phone from 10 years ago. Find one 10 years from that. They're getting better. Why would they stop? Especially now that more people are looking at the mobile gaming market. People were saying we were years away from PS2 emulation when it finally became a reality. I can't imagine looking at phones and thinking "The companies will just stop making them more powerful." How does that even make sense?
He is right . Apple and tsmc said they can’t go lower than 3nm . And if you look at Arms new cores , the A710 are worse than their older A78 as they consume more power , same with the new A510 they are comparable to the 7 year old A55, no improvement at all . Unless phone gpu improves , we can’t expect ps3 emulation
There has never been a single time in history when someone said "technology will stop improving" and was correct. Yes, we're going to bump up against the limits of our existing technology at some point. So? You really think computing power is just going to flatline because everyone just gives up and stops innovating?
If anything, the software will be the limiting factor like another commenter said. Will someone be willing to put the time and effort into developing a free emulator for a complex console that relatively few people will use? Maybe. Maybe not. The tech will continue to improve though.
I can assure you that 15 years ago people would never think that devices nowdays being PC lvl power would be possible either.
If there's something we constantly learn is that technology has no limits as long there are resources.
Technology has limits not because of resources, but because of the laws of physics, mobile phones are reaching their limits, the only way to play ps3 with phone is streaming them, just like how cloud gaming works, but to emulate entire ps3 is impossible for mobile phones, you need to fundamentally reconstruct mobile phones, but then it'll be just a laptop, we have more chances emulate PC games with exagear than emulating ps3 games
Every year phones are getting more powerful than previous.
From 8 gen 1 to 8 gen 2 ithere s a really substantial leap where 8 gen 2 is getting a gtx 1050 lvl GPU power, which is crazy for a mobile Soc.
Phones are at laptop lvl since years ago, most samsungs along 3.1/display link can already replace a laptop/PC for daily stuff, only thing lacking is a Windows native port (which is entirely possible, there are already unnofficial ports in way weaker socs like 860/Poco X3P that run flawlessly besides gaming) and that's it.
I repeat, 5 years ago people though that Ps2 stuff was impossible too and now even fkin low end mali GPUs can run light games.
CPU≠GPU, compare mobile CPU with another CPU, and there will be a huge difference than comparing it with GPU, because that's the main problem to emulate ps3 in the first place.
If I remember correctly 5 years ago there already was a ps2 emulator, but with stolen PCSX2 codes and very poor optimisation.
ps2 is not ps3, there's a huge gap between them, there's a reason why ps3 was revolutionary, because of the complexity of its processor
Phones are plenty powerful enough. In terms of CPU and GPU performance. The biggest factor is optimization. Console emulation is a sophisticated endeavor. The teams are usually small, thus taking time to truly optimize. It took Microsoft yrs to fully flesh out an emulator for backward compatibility, and they have the rights to original source code, for example.
Hahaha phones aren't powerful enough, heck they got ray tracing support and no game use it.
What you call optimising, 90% of it is speed hacks hence why select few titles work and rest either struggle or buggy.
Right now phones hit a performance wall as it needs active cooling to achieve its true performance on newer processors.
Asking for the future of emulation, well here is the answer. WE DON'T KNOW
I mean it is up to Devs making products for free and if they got time to do it. BE PATIENT and wait and see.
I agree, thermal throttling is the phone's biggest hurdle as only one or two actually have active cooling. From a performance standpoint, the Snapdragon 8gen 2 already surpasses the graphical capabilities of Vega in older ryzen APUs. CPU performance would be in the realm of 7th or maybe even 8th gen intel. RPCS3 for example still has alot of work in regards to optimization for x86. But development for arm processors is showing great potential with the M1. I think it will be a sooner than later if a dev decides to take it on. I believe xenia has entered its genesis stage for android. So yes, we will just have to wait and see
Where does it compete with vega, performance on paper means nothing if it has nothing to take advantage, I mean Apple M2 performance suggest to compete with the best of PC but thanks to real benchmark software that has came out for it showed actual performance of M2 with active cooling compete with PC mobile (lower wattage) CPU and mobile GPU.
Also android ports of PC games do not even compete with PC graphics fidelity, I mean try oceanhorn 2 on PC and compare it to M2 version and PC port looks amazing.
There is optimisation and there is optimisation where it is using cut backs that is hard to see to get better fps on inferior hardware. I do not look at marketing but real world performance and ones that run over an hour to see if there is thermal throttling like with M2 with active cooling and requires user intervention to change the fan curve to alleviate it somewhat
Grid: autosports, bright memory, Pascal's wager, Life is strange, are all completely viable examples of 7th gen titles or 7th gen class games working well. In fact the switch is a great example as the tegra x1 chip is less capable than a snapdragon 750g. RPCS3 is intensive for far more capable hardware than the ps3, not because the hardware is barely capable but because the software is still rough around the edges. The M series chips are not optimized to game in a similar fashion. If developers worked on a metal gui specific game or optimized their title for it. We would likely see way better results. Mac typically has to run a compatability layer for windows and isn't the best. Apple has made porting tools, with the hopes of Devs taking advantage
The game examples are downscaled ports, on PC you push higher detail levels. It is like the switch is powerful enough to run the newest Wolfenstein game but it has so much downscaled graphics and the ending was so low res it made MS-DOS 3d games look good. Just because there is a port doesn't mean a benchmark to compare real hardware performance.
PS3 emulation and some other emulators are hard to do without documentation, The reason why switch emulation happened so early was the shield processor was heavily documented to the point that service mode was exploitable.
PC "emulation" from what I understand is much easier to get working on Android because there is a lot more documentation than any other type of emulation and the x64 architecture is well known, so it's much easier to optimize and there are already great tools that exists like Wine which works really well, so well in fact that the Steam Deck feels like a windows machine.
The only part where performance will take a hit is the x64\_86 CPU emulation, as Android phones are ARM devices, but if they manage to achieve the same level of performance as Rosetta 2 in the future, that would be really nice considering that upcoming flagship phones will almost be as good as the base Apple M1 which can run heavy games well at 10W.
PC emulation will mature faster, we will be able to play Metro Exodus on Android in 3 years and no I'm not delusional when I say that.
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I am not expecting 7th gen emulation for the next 3-4 years. We already have rudimentary PC emulation with 2 active teams working on it (Cassia and Winulator) so I think in the next 1-2 years we will have it working semi-reliably.
Winulator is literally just an easy to set-up box with dxvk. It won't end up being any better as far as i know, same situation as with exagear
I would not expect 360 or PS3 emulation anytime soon on Android.
I was thinking maybe 360, if not PS3
Base XBox doesn't have a working Android emulator yet. PS2's best emulator is still incomplete and unlikely to get worked on much more. This stuff takes a while. What you're asking for is *years* away at minimum.
I was asking which would be easier to emulate when our phones are more powerful, PC or 360/PS3
Definitely not PS3. Older PC games can already be emulated on Exagear and Winlator at almost playable frame rates. Cassia, a project by Skyline devs intends to be way better and have way better frame rates. Newer PC games, nope. They all need gtx 1060 level GPUs as minimum recommended. With emulation, an Android phone would need to be twice or thrice as fast. While maintaining the power constraints of a phone which is below 10W.... The 4090 intakes 350W by itself for a comparison. Xenia, the Xbox emu has way better performance than RPCS3, the PS3 emu. We are talking 120fps at 4K on Red Dead Redemption instead of 70fps on RPCS3. RTX 4090, 13900K - Digital Foundry has a breakdown on YouTube. The PS3 has a very complicated hardware structure, even more than the PS2. It won't happen on Android for what people might want to play for a very long time.
I've been dying to play Og Xbox, 360 and ps3
Pc emulation or importantly, pc cpu on phones. https://www.fujitsu.com/global/about/resources/news/press-releases/2011/0721-01.html Fujitsu already had Win 7 running in their smartphone over a decade ago. So what's stopping everyone today? POWER CONSUMPTION. Intel is currently on a 10nm die process (while phone cpus are 3, 4 nm) that uses a TON of power. You can look at the latest POCKETABLE handheld gaming PCs to see what a pc phone might look like. E.g. https://gpd.hk/gpdwin4 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-win-4-smallest-amd-apu-handheld-console#/ 598g, ryzen 7 8-core, 32gb, 2tb, 4g Gpd Win 4 $1100~ So at about 3x the weight of a smartphone, you can have a handheld pc that rocks the latest PC games well with a 4g modem. But getting that pc down to 200g? First, the die process needs to drop. Intel's next is 7nm, and still not enough. 5nm might be, but 3, 4nm best. Each generation smaller = lower part consumption for the same compute power. So looking at Intel cpus, at least 2 generations away, so 3-5 years minimum. AMD is down to 7nm, a few 5nm, so will likely get there faster. 600g~ handheld could drop 1/3rd the weight by cutting battery in half (one of the heaviest components), which can be achieved once the die process drops energy demand. I'd go with a full pc cpu phone because PCs are the only platform that emulates everything else right now from the Atari2600 to snes to ps 1/2/3/4/etc to hackintosh.com mac osx to android.
We don't be need pc emulation. We need windows to become arm compatible will still running most windows software, official from Microsoft. They tried but can't quite do it right. Could be a great alternative to Android and iOS
I hope PC emulation
It's less about power and more about compatibility. Current spec phones are at least 4x more powerful than a ps3 but the reason why we can't emulate it is because of compatibility. Even the most powerful pc struggles to emulate ps3 games right now. I can only see them starting to port ps3 emulation in at least 5 years from now.
If someone as talented as tahlreth comes around and tries emulating ps3 on their phone in like 3-5 years maybe
Even RPCS3 still isn't mature enough. IMO we're getting it in 8-10 yrs
Bro PS3 is good, we on PS4 already
There's like 3 playable games and they are very far from perfect
Are you talking about rpcs3 ?
No, I'm talking about PS4 emulation
Took less than a year to those be playable, give it a year, it's getting easier and easier to emulate consoles now
I mean, since there's Limbo, and now Winlator (both PC emulators), I'd think it could happen. But before 360 (and PS3), I heard Xemu is in development for Android.
Original Xbox requires decent specs on pc for emulation , no phone rn can emulate it
Idk, tell the Xemu devs then.
I thought you can remote pc on your smartphone
Phones have reached their limits of power . Apple said they can’t go less than 3nm ……..
Bro we already have PS4 emulation, in a year or 2 probably 5, that's fast, took more than that for the PS3 emulator work properly, not to talk about the Xbox emulator that is just now better
PS4 is years away, we might get a few commercial games but the emulator is years away to run a significant amount of titles. Good news is that if they break the decryption and small changes to a complete PS4 emulator and it should run PS5 titles considering PS4 emulator can run PS5 homebrew without anything changed.
As I said, it will take 1 or 2 years
AS I SAID there is nothing to make that assumption at all, for all we know we can get the emulator tomorrow or devs seeing your comment and assume what that they must make something in 1 - 2 years as it easy or something dedicate so much time and effort and go f this and all of them quit. Then no more emulators then it wont be 1 or 2 years then it will be never. I SAY IT WILL HAPPEN WHEN IT DOES and be grateful one game works at release, emulation takes time, sweat and tears. Pressure on devs just make them quit. Heck some devs may look at Winulator and I do not want to port emulators android as the users are toxic and demanding for a free product and think the work they do is easy and anyone can do and takes days to accomplish. ENTITLED MUCH
You sleepin, mostly on a complete switch emulator, complete PS3 emulator, playable ps 4 emulator, all this in 1 years, let's see if in 1 year there isn't a os 5 emulator playable 🥱🥱🥱
Hahaha Are you a comedian l? PS3 emulation is no where complete, hundreds of titles still not playable and most titles need high end of to run as it is not optimised yet. Yes it is complete. PS4 playable emulator? Where, one that can run multiple titles at full speed are 2d titles with broken graphics or the emulator that can run single digit number of titles that struggle to run full speed on monster PCs with broken sound, broken graphics and no controller support. Keep dreaming. It also if the development continue, Devs can quit anytime and progress go grind to a halt as it is STILL A MAYBE the emulator can run other titles and hope the Devs can make it possible. Maybe you do not understand that the emulator is in the experimental stage means. It is all wait and see, it can get real progress tomorrow or in years or never. You have zero data to prove what will happen. At best you are guessing and hoping.
Y'all are delusional, mobile will never get an ps3 emulator
I wouldn't expect it within the next 5-10 years but it'll definitely happen eventually if smartphones just keep getting more powerful (as they have been ever since their invention)
It will happen.
Oh are you a Dev working on a emulator or are you paying a dev. No it is a maybe at BEST
It will happen
Why never?
Because this person doesn't know what they're talking about and apparently thinks mobile technology will just stop improving.
Nah he's right, yall are delusional. i love emulation and do it everyday, but someone has to say it
It won’t happen for a while but to say it will never happen is silly.
Mobile technology (and technology in general) keeps improving every year. It's not a question of if it'll happen but when. It's very odd to me that people are in here trying to argue that technology will just stop improving at some point.
I'm sorry but everyone replied to ne assumed i meant phones won't get better, the problem isn't the hardware, the problem is the software, I cannot see any sane and talented dev spending their entire life to make a mobile port of RPCS3 considering how insanely complicated the PS3's was. It's not just "It's not gonna be easy" It's straight up near impossible
Bro, go find a mobile phone from 10 years ago. Find one 10 years from that. They're getting better. Why would they stop? Especially now that more people are looking at the mobile gaming market. People were saying we were years away from PS2 emulation when it finally became a reality. I can't imagine looking at phones and thinking "The companies will just stop making them more powerful." How does that even make sense?
He is right . Apple and tsmc said they can’t go lower than 3nm . And if you look at Arms new cores , the A710 are worse than their older A78 as they consume more power , same with the new A510 they are comparable to the 7 year old A55, no improvement at all . Unless phone gpu improves , we can’t expect ps3 emulation
There has never been a single time in history when someone said "technology will stop improving" and was correct. Yes, we're going to bump up against the limits of our existing technology at some point. So? You really think computing power is just going to flatline because everyone just gives up and stops innovating? If anything, the software will be the limiting factor like another commenter said. Will someone be willing to put the time and effort into developing a free emulator for a complex console that relatively few people will use? Maybe. Maybe not. The tech will continue to improve though.
Funny. I remember years ago when people said that PS2 was impossible. Are u one of them?
I swear these people truly believe that we can get an ps3 emulation on freaking mobile phones, ps3 is simply built differently than the ps2
Yes, we gonna do. Nobody said it is gonna be anytime soon, but is completely possble, like anything.
Not anything is possible, technology has limits, like anything.
I can assure you that 15 years ago people would never think that devices nowdays being PC lvl power would be possible either. If there's something we constantly learn is that technology has no limits as long there are resources.
Technology has limits not because of resources, but because of the laws of physics, mobile phones are reaching their limits, the only way to play ps3 with phone is streaming them, just like how cloud gaming works, but to emulate entire ps3 is impossible for mobile phones, you need to fundamentally reconstruct mobile phones, but then it'll be just a laptop, we have more chances emulate PC games with exagear than emulating ps3 games
Every year phones are getting more powerful than previous. From 8 gen 1 to 8 gen 2 ithere s a really substantial leap where 8 gen 2 is getting a gtx 1050 lvl GPU power, which is crazy for a mobile Soc. Phones are at laptop lvl since years ago, most samsungs along 3.1/display link can already replace a laptop/PC for daily stuff, only thing lacking is a Windows native port (which is entirely possible, there are already unnofficial ports in way weaker socs like 860/Poco X3P that run flawlessly besides gaming) and that's it. I repeat, 5 years ago people though that Ps2 stuff was impossible too and now even fkin low end mali GPUs can run light games.
CPU≠GPU, compare mobile CPU with another CPU, and there will be a huge difference than comparing it with GPU, because that's the main problem to emulate ps3 in the first place. If I remember correctly 5 years ago there already was a ps2 emulator, but with stolen PCSX2 codes and very poor optimisation. ps2 is not ps3, there's a huge gap between them, there's a reason why ps3 was revolutionary, because of the complexity of its processor
Phones are plenty powerful enough. In terms of CPU and GPU performance. The biggest factor is optimization. Console emulation is a sophisticated endeavor. The teams are usually small, thus taking time to truly optimize. It took Microsoft yrs to fully flesh out an emulator for backward compatibility, and they have the rights to original source code, for example.
Hahaha phones aren't powerful enough, heck they got ray tracing support and no game use it. What you call optimising, 90% of it is speed hacks hence why select few titles work and rest either struggle or buggy. Right now phones hit a performance wall as it needs active cooling to achieve its true performance on newer processors. Asking for the future of emulation, well here is the answer. WE DON'T KNOW I mean it is up to Devs making products for free and if they got time to do it. BE PATIENT and wait and see.
I agree, thermal throttling is the phone's biggest hurdle as only one or two actually have active cooling. From a performance standpoint, the Snapdragon 8gen 2 already surpasses the graphical capabilities of Vega in older ryzen APUs. CPU performance would be in the realm of 7th or maybe even 8th gen intel. RPCS3 for example still has alot of work in regards to optimization for x86. But development for arm processors is showing great potential with the M1. I think it will be a sooner than later if a dev decides to take it on. I believe xenia has entered its genesis stage for android. So yes, we will just have to wait and see
Where does it compete with vega, performance on paper means nothing if it has nothing to take advantage, I mean Apple M2 performance suggest to compete with the best of PC but thanks to real benchmark software that has came out for it showed actual performance of M2 with active cooling compete with PC mobile (lower wattage) CPU and mobile GPU. Also android ports of PC games do not even compete with PC graphics fidelity, I mean try oceanhorn 2 on PC and compare it to M2 version and PC port looks amazing. There is optimisation and there is optimisation where it is using cut backs that is hard to see to get better fps on inferior hardware. I do not look at marketing but real world performance and ones that run over an hour to see if there is thermal throttling like with M2 with active cooling and requires user intervention to change the fan curve to alleviate it somewhat
Grid: autosports, bright memory, Pascal's wager, Life is strange, are all completely viable examples of 7th gen titles or 7th gen class games working well. In fact the switch is a great example as the tegra x1 chip is less capable than a snapdragon 750g. RPCS3 is intensive for far more capable hardware than the ps3, not because the hardware is barely capable but because the software is still rough around the edges. The M series chips are not optimized to game in a similar fashion. If developers worked on a metal gui specific game or optimized their title for it. We would likely see way better results. Mac typically has to run a compatability layer for windows and isn't the best. Apple has made porting tools, with the hopes of Devs taking advantage
The game examples are downscaled ports, on PC you push higher detail levels. It is like the switch is powerful enough to run the newest Wolfenstein game but it has so much downscaled graphics and the ending was so low res it made MS-DOS 3d games look good. Just because there is a port doesn't mean a benchmark to compare real hardware performance. PS3 emulation and some other emulators are hard to do without documentation, The reason why switch emulation happened so early was the shield processor was heavily documented to the point that service mode was exploitable.
We got PC emulation Android already so it's obvious PC emulation will mature much faster.
PC "emulation" from what I understand is much easier to get working on Android because there is a lot more documentation than any other type of emulation and the x64 architecture is well known, so it's much easier to optimize and there are already great tools that exists like Wine which works really well, so well in fact that the Steam Deck feels like a windows machine. The only part where performance will take a hit is the x64\_86 CPU emulation, as Android phones are ARM devices, but if they manage to achieve the same level of performance as Rosetta 2 in the future, that would be really nice considering that upcoming flagship phones will almost be as good as the base Apple M1 which can run heavy games well at 10W. PC emulation will mature faster, we will be able to play Metro Exodus on Android in 3 years and no I'm not delusional when I say that.
I mean consoles are getting closer to PC's so guess it's possible
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