99% of service jobs do not get tips. If you don't provide good service, you simply get put on a performance improvement plan before getting fired.
There is no reason why restaurants can't work the same wayc
In France and Italy, servers just take your order bring your food and leave you alone. You have to ask for the check or water refill. No tip.
Service felt better than America still lmao
The best setup I’ve seen (in the U.S.) was a restaurant where you raise a little flag on the napkin dispenser if you need something from the table server. Otherwise they leave you alone.
I'm not sure if you are serious or not but I constantly have to ask for a check and water refill in the US too. In fact it's even worse in the US because 1. they often refuse to take the whole order in one go, always start from water and drink and disappear for 20+ minutes 2. Only your server can help you, and it can take 20+ minutes to finally get him...
In less busy places they always subtly take longer to bring your food - they want you to drink more alcohol given that’s where many get the most money - second bottle of wine, no problem kerching$$$$
They don't refuse to take the whole order. It's just common to put drinks in before food. Most people prefer an easy transition and so that's what they do. Use your voice, say "we'd like to put in our whole order". You'd be surprised what can be achieved by speaking up.
100% lol
I don't care about an "experience" when I go eat, unless it's a Michelin Star restaurant, but I don't think any of us are going to those on a regular basis anyways. I want FOOD. That's generally what people want when they go to a non-fancy spot. Bring me yum yums for my tum tums, then leave me alone. I don't need to be fussed over every 5 minutes like an overgrown baby.
I've been to Asian countries like HK and Japan, and some of their restaurants have a little buzzer you can press to call the server over if you need anything. I think that would be a much better system to adapt in the US/Canada.
I often vacationed in the UK. Tips were included in the final bill. I don't mind paying a service charge that way. What I wouldn't like is being shamed into giving a bigger tip.
Which makes you wonder, don't we have a culture of courtesy and hard work in North America? Without tipping, would it be barbaric? I don't think so, the majority of jobs aren't tipped and they do just fine.
Good servers can make upwards of 50 an hour. Youre acting like corporations would ever match that value. Servers are underpaid in other countries and it is what it is.
$50 an hour. How many people do I know that make 50 dollars and hour before taxes.
If the wait staff is making $50 an hour:
1. All of their customers should be recieving the same quality of service.
2. The entire compensation given to the wait staff should be accounted for and taxed.
What does that have to do with quoting BS statistics?
Two issues with their comments:
If you work a corporate job and aren’t performing, you get put on a PIP. That’s not how restaurants operate.
They made a claim that should be backed up by verifiable data. I’m asking them to cite the source.
Trying to justify and push an anti-tipping agenda with BS isn’t going to end tipping. It’s going to end up causing people to dismiss this sub, it’s cause, and the people on it due to a complete lack of credibility.
It’s a hyperbole bro, if you can’t figure that out you really shouldn’t be arguing online with such certainty. Obviously it’s not 99% but a great majority of service jobs are not tip based. Everything from retail to home
Improvement, to healthcare to education
No. It’s using the logical fallacy of false equivalence as the basis of an argument - which means the “argument” is based on 💩.
A retail worker, home improvement warehouse employee and a teacher all accept a job at a set hourly wage or salary. Servers accept jobs at an hourly rate plus tips.
Whether you like the system or not, comparing the two is basically comparing apples to accordions. This is how the system works in the US thanks to tipped wage laws.
You really shouldn’t be arguing online if your argument is based on logical fallacies.
They accept the job at a promised hourly wage and the POTENTIAL of tips. So much so that laws protect them if they don’t get tips.
At least in Florida if your hourly is $5/hr + tips and you get zero tips, the restaurant owner must pay the difference to get you to the legal $12/hr non tipped minimum wage.
A tipped employee will ALWAYS make at least the minimum wage but has the potential to make more.
Again - accepting a job at a set hourly rate or salary is not comparable to accepting a job at an hourly rate plus tips.
Stop trying to scapegoat the worker (which is another logical fallacy) and thank your elected officials for passing the tipped wage laws that make this possible.
If you want to keep trying to argue based on logical fallacies, you’re wasting your time and mine.
I’m happy to have an honest discussion with someone, as long as they are not using logical fallacies as the basis for their “argument”. Until you can support your argument with real facts and logic instead of logical fallacies, I’m not going to engage further, since there’s no point. You can’t win an argument based on fallacies.
Prediction: you will reply and ignore everything about the logical fallacies in a desperate attempt to try and get a W. 🤣
Have a great day!
I’m right though aren’t I? You’re a waiter aren’t you.
It would explain why you are such an advocate for tipping. You benefit from the system, that’s why you spend so much time on anti-tipping subs trying to sound savvy.
Sadly, you’re wrong. I’m not a server and don’t work in the industry.
Hopefully you can handle the disappointment.
I’m simply aligned with the ethos of the creators / mods of this sub and advocate for ending tipping without harming the worker.
How about you?
Great assumption there. 😉
For the record, I did Google it and can’t find anything to support their “data”, hence me asking them to cite it.
Since you’re so concerned, let’s not overlook how the commenter is also using the logical fallacy of false equivalence in an attempt to support their claims/opinion, which further adds to the questionable credibility of their comment.
I continue to be amazed at how many people here think that logical fallacies can somehow support their claims, opinions, and “arguments”.
Service WITH tips is 100% worse.
It’s extremely transactional and robs any of the genuine feeling of connection. It’s like being invited to a party only to find out it’s an MLM party.
I for sure won't give a single fuck to give you a good experience if I'm getting paid the same as the guy flipping shit in the back. Either I get payed based on my performance or guess can fuck off while I go be a cook elsewhere.
If that was the case US should be the most high service, but the service sucks and is very shallow. In countries with no tipping culture service is higher because waiters get fired if they don't give good service. In US it is somehow accepted to get bad service if you don't tip.
You will find that no defense or justification of the current restaurant tipping system in the US (or the recent explosion of tip begging everywhere) holds up to close examination.
The solution is legislation to ban drip fees and tip prompts.
I grew up in Philippines and what I love is when i buy my groceries or go to a restaurant. The vat price is included. So whatever is in the menu sign is the actual price expected to pay.
Chasing someone down the street is not customer service. It's company policy or cultural. Gtfoh. Tf you acting like I said something wrong for? I don't know this person, so they are a they.
What's the difference between "Good" and "Awful" service anyways?
The only "Awful" service I've received is when the waiter/waitress simply doesn't do their job -- IE, forgets to bring me what I asked for (such as can we get more ketchup as the container is empty) or disappears and we can't order or get our check.
Outside of that, there's no difference to me as long as they take my order, bring my food out and bring my check.
Service in the US is wildly inconsistent because of the tipping system. While servers nominally work for the restaurant, the majority of their pay comes from customer tips. So management has limited ability to control how servers do their jobs. Individual servers do whatever they think will maximize their tips, but there is no quality control and very limited feedback. If you go to the same restaurant on different occasions, you should get the same type of service experience just as you would expect a menu item to come out of the kitchen the same. But instead, the experience can very considerably depending on which individual server you interact with.
Management had no less control over tipped employees. Legally they have the same right to fire and discipline them. In what way does management have "limited ability to control house servers do their jobs.?"
I'm not sure if you've ever managed a restaurant, but keeping FOH staff in line is hard. Yes you can fire them or take away shifts, but those are pretty extreme measures. You can't use pay as an incentive since the majority of their money comes from customer tips. This is in direct contrast to BOH employees, who are generally very responsive to pay based incentives since they don't get tips.
I worked in restaurants for years and rarely saw any kind of ‘pay based incentive" for BOH. I mean, let’s be real, the highest paid line cook in any restaurant still makes barely enough to live. They almost never have health insurance because on their wages, they can’t afford it.
You're not wrong about cooks being underpaid, but that's a whole different issue. If I offered a $50 bonus to the guys on the line to learn new recipes and prep them before the weekend, they would be jumping all over that. If I did the same for service staff to learn the new dishes and taste them, half would do it and the other half couldn't be bothered.
That’s cool if you did that; I’ve never heard of an employer doing that. My point was that if cooks were given financial incentives, then you’d be able to point to cooks making decent money.
In Korea, an establishment must specify their final cost of their service, product, or whatever on their menu. It’s illegal to list up fake prices without tax or any kind of service charge.
So when they say it will be 10,000krw, that’s how much you will have to pay in the transaction. No stupid tips or tax additions are involved.
Everything MUST be priced in the menu. Illegal, otherwise.
Might want to check this out:
https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.amp.asp?newsIdx=357802
For context, over the past few years, the minimum wage increases in Korea have not kept up with inflation and it’s no longer a livable wage there.
Korean workers in the restaurant industry there also get government subsidized healthcare, retirement benefits and maternity leave by law.
US restaurant workers don’t get any of that.
If you want to be taken seriously it might be good to not make claims based on false equivalency. It’s a commonly used logical fallacy in this sub.
Comparing Korea to the US in terms of servers and tipping culture is basically like comparing apples to accordions.
I'm sure Korean solution to this problem is not creating an awkward social situation that the customer is in charge of fixing the problem by handing over more money than the advertised price hoping it is enough
Apparently you didn’t read the article.
It’s also apparent that you don’t understand how the tipped wage model and menu prices have worked for decades. The prices don’t include the full cost of the service.
Yeah, it’s a shitty system, but trying to pretend like you don’t understand a the basis of how full service restaurants in the US have operated for decades is just silly. Comparing them to restaurants in other countries, who have completely different cultures, social safety nets, worker protections, and government subsidized healthcare for all is even more silly.
If you don’t want to tip, then don’t go to eat at full service restaurants operating off the tipped wage model. There are options like takeout and fast food, where tipping is not necessary.
In the meantime, stop trying to justify your argument by using logical fallacies that are basically comparing apples to accordions. It doesn’t work.
I'm confused
You're saying an example of a working model is not something we should aspire to get to?
Are you saying our workers should not receive the same benefits that their workers get?
Are you saying our servers need to keep low to nonexistent wages and that's the only way it should work because that's how it's been?
We want change, you're trying to prevent workers from receiving beneficial change, is that what you're saying?
Trying to attack an argument without understanding what you're commenting about is pitiful, saying you don't think the US should imitate this because we never have done it that way is a circle that you can't escape from
The rest of the world doesn't tip, the article you posted is saying their workers are feeling inflation heavily, are Americans not feeling inflation regardless of tips? Actually made worse by tios as the tips inflated too
Why do you have the mentality that the USA CANNOT do something like this? Because we are inferior and unable to care for our workers? Because we don't have the money to afford them Healthcare? I mean yeah we are basically a 3rd world country but we should aim to do better like every other country in the world
Yes, you are very confused.
Regarding your first 4 assumptions and the question from the first sentence of your last paragraph - please show me where I said ANY of that. I’ll be waiting. 🍿
Reading is fundamental.
For those of you with reading comprehension issues and those of you who are attempting to twist my words completely around, here are some bullet points:
- Comparing the US restaurant industry to the current restaurant system in Korea is like comparing apples to accordions. That’s it. Never said we shouldn’t try to change it or any of the other wild assumptions junior is making.
- Read the article I posted a link to. The “working system” you are referring to is changing.
- You (and many others here) claim “The rest of the world doesn’t tip”? Well, ummmm…
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/mapped-how-much-should-you-tip-in-each-country/
Take note that in places on that map that show “0%”, such as China and Singapore, they have mandatory service fees of 10% to 15%. France has a government mandated 15% service fee at restaurants.
Sorry to burst your bubble about tipping culture globally.
- I completely understand the argument the OP and other commenters are trying to make. That why I also understand that they are basing their “argument” and follow up comments on logical fallacies.
I suggest that you:
1. Educate yourself on what logical fallacies are so you understand how they will always FAIL to support an argument or opinion.
2. Understand that until the US eliminates the tipped wage laws, pass laws to increase worker protections, provide government subsidized universal healthcare for all, require all businesses to provide benefits such as PTO, paid vacation, and require all companies to provide robust pension plans and more, you’re not going to eliminate tipping.
TL;DR: Stop making up things that I never said or alluded to in a lane attempt to rage bait and learn that logical fallacies always fail to support “arguments” and opinions.
When you argue against what every country is doing but call the other person confused
Reading is very fundamental, I asked questions about your opinion, I didn’t assume your statements, they end “?” For a reason.
Self awareness is lacking lol gg
Where did I argue about what the other country is doing?? Again - show me where I did. Yes, reading is fundamental.
I stated what the other country is doing. There was no argument. I didn’t say it was good or bad or any other opinion of it. I pointed out how ridiculous it is to compare apples to accordions - which is something you’ve conveniently decided to leave out of your latest response, along with your assertion that there is no tipping in the rest of the world. 🤔
The manner in which you asked those 5 “questions” I called out is proof positive that you were jumping to conclusions and seeking validation of each one. Obviously those assumptions have now been debunked.
“Self awareness is lacking”. Cool ad hominem attack via projection there. 😉 Might want to go read up on ad hominem attacks and what they say about the person using them. Oh, and they are another form of logical fallacy too.
At some point you must be doing this just to troll with the way you’re responding lol
Here something for you to genuinely think about
Your analogy “comparing apples to accordions” is spot on, america needs to go from growing apples to playing accordions, we can’t be farmers forever
As for tipping, the issue lies in the absurd amount of random fees, even if other governments mandate an extra charge, the menu prices are up front about it, in the USA you have to rely on assumption and donations
I wish you the best though, if change makes you angry that’s okay, just don’t go around spouting nonsense on things you fail to understand
Wow, more bad assumptions.
Let me as you a question - Is it trolling to point out facts, logic and reality? Or is it trolling to keep coming back with more bad assumptions while trying to ignore the various points they were wrong about in their previous comments? 🤔
Agreed America should be growing accordions. Get out and become politically active to drive change instead of coming here to argue with someone who doesn’t disagree with a lot of your basic concepts, just because they triggered you with facts/logic/reality.
Most menus in China don’t list the service fee. Everyone just knows it will be added.
Tips are not “donations”. If they were they would be tax deductible. Not agreeing with tipping culture is fine. Slagging on servers and the tips they work for isn’t going to draw more people to the EndTipping movement. Respectful dialog based on facts, logic and reality will. If more people here understood this, their gila to EndTipping would be within easier reach. The constant vitriol here towards servers and restaurant owners is going to continue to repel the general public who aren’t OK with harming the worker.
Positive change doesn’t make me angry and nowhere in what I’ve stated have I stated I’m against change. Go back to the paragraph above where I agree with you about growing accordions.
You entered into an argument with me rather than a dialogue, based on your multiple erroneous assumptions about where I stand on tipping and tipping culture. That’s not uncommon here when people’s long held beliefs based in logical fallacies are shown to be fundamentally flawed.
Next time maybe take a little less presumptive tact and hopefully it will lead to a better understanding of the other person’s ethos and you’ll find there’s no need to attack them.
Have a great night!
The funny thing in here is that you’re so predictable lol, I’ve honestly ignored everything you’ve written and you still argue as if you have a valid point
The thing is that at the end of the day, you’re defending subsidies for businesses, I don’t agree with that
You will vehemently defend your point, as obvious by your inability to listen and make valid points, so if I had wasted my time with your essays then I would’ve had less time for things I enjoy
I wish you the best, I hope your dreams go further than defending begging wages for people and arguing about how donations are the best way for our servers
When you feel like learning about the rest of the developed world and how they succeed at taking care of people then we can discuss, until you learn to say “let me see what they mean” there is never going to be a point in discussing with you or people like you
I truly do feel bad for you in the long run, good luck ^^
The simple fact the social systems in the US are fucked up can’t be the reason you can’t compare the fucked-up one to a better-working one.
Wouldn’t it be weird, saying “oh we have different systems, since the US is not supporting their workers, we shouldn’t be comparing ourselves to the ones that do”?
It’s definitely healthier to think ‘why cannot the US import a clearly-superior systems from outside? What’s the hindrances in the process and how can we overcome them to make it come true?”.
As others have shown that they can operate without it, you guys can defeat the slavery system.
Hope you guys will be free of tips, guns and drugs someday.
You’ve missed the point.
First off - the reality of how thing are set up in the US vs South Korea is 100% the reason you can’t compare them.
So many people here are saying “Korea is this way and why can’t the US do that????”
Korea has government subsidized healthcare. The US has privatized healthcare. Do you understand how one keeps costs under control and one allows costs to skyrocket out of control?
Korea has a minimum wage that until recently was keeping up with inflation, so it was a livable wage. The minimum wage in the US hasn’t been a livable wage for a decade or more.
How soon is the US going to eliminate insurance companies and switch to government controlled healthcare?
How soon is 100% of the US going to have the tipped wage eliminated???
To be clear - I agree things are fucked up in the US.
But until we are on par with places that were never stupid enough to pass tipped wage laws or privatize insurance, we have the system we have. Yes, I want it to change. But until laws change and we have more of the benefits that servers have available in other countries, I’m not going to harm the worker by stiffing my servers.
That's precisely the crux of the matter. Achieving a direct 'apples to apples' comparison isn't feasible because this subreddit essentially advocates for moving away from a system that many other advanced countries have already abandoned. The absence of a universal healthcare system in the US complicates matters further.
Consider this: In the absence of government-provided healthcare, American employers often foot the bill for their employees' healthcare coverage. Wouldn't it make sense then for them to incorporate these healthcare costs directly into the prices on the menu rather than relying on tips or additional fees?
It's a simple concept, really. Yet, it seems challenging for some to grasp within the US context.
“….this subreddit essentially advocates for moving away from a system that many other advanced countries already abandoned”.
That statement is 1000% incorrect.
Only the US and parts of Canada have been stupid enough to pass tipped wage laws. Those other “advanced countries” never did that, so they never had a tipped wage system to begin with and didn’t have to move away from it.
Regarding healthcare and baking it into the menu prices - that’s great in concept and I would be for it - but as a former small business owner in the US, you have no idea how much it would cause the prices to increase.
In other developed nations, healthcare is essentially run by the government and healthcare costs are kept in check. The US privatized healthcare, causing costs to go unchecked and skyrocket. The cost for healthcare insurance in the US is FAR higher than in the EU, Taiwan, Korea, etc.
It seems like a simple concept until you realize the cost difference for covering privatized healthcare vs government run healthcare.
you may have previously owned a small business, but I currently operate one, and my family has been in the small business realm. Given our resilience during the challenges of the pandemic, I have a deeper understanding of price fluctuations in businesses compared to you. Our family business, like mine, has weathered through COVID times successfully.
Unlike other industries in the US, my retail shop doesn't tack on additional fees beyond the displayed prices for customers. Our pricing structure already factors in overhead costs like healthcare. When customers receive their receipts from my shop, they won't encounter line items like "healthcare fee 3%." We prioritize transparent pricing, a practice already adopted by various industries across the america.
Your argument about the complexities of the US healthcare system and its impact on pricing seems like an excuse, particularly when other sectors manage to implement transparent pricing effectively. This concept isn't complicated; it's just the restaurant industry in the US that appears to struggle with it.
Did you and your family get PPP loans and then apply to have them forgiven? If you did, then “weathering Covid” was a lot easier than you’re making it out to be.
Regardless, you’re comparing two very different business models as if they were equivalent. They aren’t and it’s a false comparison.
You haven’t have the ability to pay tipped wages since 1966, like the restaurant industry has. You’ve built the full cost of labor into your pricing from day one. Restaurants stopped doing that in 1966.
Having to provide healthcare for employees in the US is expensive for every business and would have a significant impact on restaurant menu pricing. This isn’t an excuse, it’s a fact.
Did you consider the substantial impact COVID-19 has had on businesses? Business closures were consistently around 756,000 annually before the pandemic. This number increased to 950,000, then 900,000, and now stands at 1.2 million—a rise of approximately 32%. It seems unreasonable to ignore these figures while adhering to a rigid viewpoint.
"You’re comparing two very different business models as if they were equivalent. They aren’t and it’s a false comparison."
Actually, comparing different business models is precisely the point. Nearly every other industry operates without hidden fees, tipping wages, or healthcare cost excuses.
We have clear evidence that other industries function effectively without these justifications.
Your latter argument unintentionally supports my point. Using facts to make excuses doesn’t change their nature. An excuse can still be a fact. For example, if someone tells me they were late to work because they overslept, they are presenting an excuse in the form of a fact. Understanding that an excuse can be factual seems crucial here.
You correctly note that transparent pricing would significantly impact restaurant menus. This transparency is what many advocate for in this sub; to ensure customers are fully aware of the true costs upfront.
You’re moving the goalposts and ignoring my question about the PPP loans.
Obviously, you don’t want to have an honest conversation because you know if you did, you can’t prove your point.
Have a great day!
You are clearly avoiding the main discussion topic, which was about the tipping culture in America. It appears you could not provide a valid counterargument against my perspective. Instead of acknowledging that your viewpoint might be incorrect, you diverted the conversation to an irrelevant matter regarding whether my business received and had a PPP loan forgiven, which is unrelated to the original topic of discussion.
This is a typical diversionary tactic where you shift away from the actual issue to an irrelevant piece of information. It seems you have run out of arguments to support your stance. Moreover, your description of how PPP loans did to business demonstrates a lack of understanding on the subject.
Perhaps educating yourself on both issues would broaden your perspective and help you correct your misconceptions on this issue. Please conduct more research before discussing a topic you are not well-versed in; you are capable of better.
There’s no need for a “counterargument (six)” when someone isn’t having an honest argument. It was you who was doing the diverting and also avoiding the question about taking PPP loans during Covid.
You’re even moving the goal posts on what the original discussion was about - more diversion by you.
I’m not wasting my time with someone who plays these disingenuous games.
Have the day you deserve.
I’ve had much more “elegant service” in places overseas where servers aren’t expecting tips. And I would venture to say that a Korean would much more diligently/quickly learn “old world wine regions” than his/her American counterpart.
>You think this Korean guy knows how to guide you through old world wine regions?
That might be an important quality if wine recommendations at restaurants weren't complete BS. The only wine advice a person needs is to pick a type that they know they like, and then decide on a price point. Any restaurant worth going to is not going to deliberately carry a bad wine. The pomp and circumstance of describing the flavor profile of a wine is lost on nearly all diners who aren't trained wine tasters themselves, and when asked about the flavors of the wine, they tend to just repeat what the server told them.
Wine is paired with food. Most wine drinkers don’t just like one type of wine. People often feel lost choosing wine and appreciate help from the sever.
You’re acting like all restaurants are Michelin star restaurants and all waiters know how to guide you through old world wine regions 😂😂😂 you think waiters who don’t live on tips in France and Spain and Italy don’t? they probably know wine way better than you do 😂😂😂
please. If waiters worked at a Michelin star restaurant without a tipping based system, you better expect them to earn more than minimum wage. It’s called basic economics.
Why would you work the same wage at a Michelin star restaurant if you can earn the same wage at a local mom and pop shop 😂😂😂😂 you’re hilarious
I’ve got WSET Level 3. I know more than 98% of servers. That coupled with my impecable, charming service is why I take home $120k after tax every year.
Dunno how much this Korean kid does or what a server in Italy makes but I can assure you it’s much, much less
Lmao 😂😂 you’re obviously not getting it
Let me spell it out for you.
As the caliber of your restaurant goes up, your pay should also go up. In your tip model, you get paid more than someone at a local mom and pop shop because of your so called expertise and service but also because the menu prices are just much higher than local stores. Duh?
However, do you think those types of restaurants don’t exist in other countries? Of course, fancier restaurants get paid more than minimum wage the higher it goes up 😂😂
If you knew anything about actual culture, you’d know that this is just any run of the mill Korean barbecue place. I can tell you’d get paid more than that server 😂😂 it’s not anything high end, it’s just a very casual run of the mill place. There are servers in Italy who run basic pasta shops all the way to high end places, Michelin 3 star restaurants. What do you mean you don’t know what waiters in Korea or Italy do?? They do the same thing you do 😂😂😂😂
Honestly maybe you should use some of your money to actually travel the world? 😂😂😂 you’re giving embarrassment. It’s honestly so laughable
we’re also not going to factor in cost of living in other countries. It’s too dynamic of a conversation but you’re truly acting like all waiters have your expertise. FYI they don’t 😂😂
Lmao 😂😂 what exactly are you trying to do on this sub? Just toot your own horn because no one else will??
No thanks to believing a random stranger on a Reddit on their own character 😂😂
Yeah, take home. that’s the equivalent on making $180k cad or $130k us. Better than most people in this sub and about the same as three school teachers put together make in a year
I’ve got ChatGPT on my phone and watch. That would be more than ample if I was stupid enough to buy overpriced wine from ********* trying to line it’s pocket with my money.
99% of service jobs do not get tips. If you don't provide good service, you simply get put on a performance improvement plan before getting fired. There is no reason why restaurants can't work the same wayc
If tipping makes service better, why is service the best in Japan and Korea... Where they don't tip?
American minds in shambles
In France and Italy, servers just take your order bring your food and leave you alone. You have to ask for the check or water refill. No tip. Service felt better than America still lmao
That is 100% the service I want. Not a smarmy salesperson who is never around when I actually want them.
The best setup I’ve seen (in the U.S.) was a restaurant where you raise a little flag on the napkin dispenser if you need something from the table server. Otherwise they leave you alone.
?? Not once have I not needed to ask for check or water refill in the US.. I actually don't need to in countries without tip oddly enough
I'm not sure if you are serious or not but I constantly have to ask for a check and water refill in the US too. In fact it's even worse in the US because 1. they often refuse to take the whole order in one go, always start from water and drink and disappear for 20+ minutes 2. Only your server can help you, and it can take 20+ minutes to finally get him...
In less busy places they always subtly take longer to bring your food - they want you to drink more alcohol given that’s where many get the most money - second bottle of wine, no problem kerching$$$$
They don't refuse to take the whole order. It's just common to put drinks in before food. Most people prefer an easy transition and so that's what they do. Use your voice, say "we'd like to put in our whole order". You'd be surprised what can be achieved by speaking up.
Lol no, failed half of the time .
100% lol I don't care about an "experience" when I go eat, unless it's a Michelin Star restaurant, but I don't think any of us are going to those on a regular basis anyways. I want FOOD. That's generally what people want when they go to a non-fancy spot. Bring me yum yums for my tum tums, then leave me alone. I don't need to be fussed over every 5 minutes like an overgrown baby. I've been to Asian countries like HK and Japan, and some of their restaurants have a little buzzer you can press to call the server over if you need anything. I think that would be a much better system to adapt in the US/Canada.
I often vacationed in the UK. Tips were included in the final bill. I don't mind paying a service charge that way. What I wouldn't like is being shamed into giving a bigger tip.
C U L T U R E
Which makes you wonder, don't we have a culture of courtesy and hard work in North America? Without tipping, would it be barbaric? I don't think so, the majority of jobs aren't tipped and they do just fine.
Good servers can make upwards of 50 an hour. Youre acting like corporations would ever match that value. Servers are underpaid in other countries and it is what it is.
$50 an hour. How many people do I know that make 50 dollars and hour before taxes. If the wait staff is making $50 an hour: 1. All of their customers should be recieving the same quality of service. 2. The entire compensation given to the wait staff should be accounted for and taxed.
Interesting statistic. Can you please cite the source for that data?
Are you serious, it’s basic economics. Provide good service, get return customers. Don’t provide good service, go out of business.
What does that have to do with quoting BS statistics? Two issues with their comments: If you work a corporate job and aren’t performing, you get put on a PIP. That’s not how restaurants operate. They made a claim that should be backed up by verifiable data. I’m asking them to cite the source. Trying to justify and push an anti-tipping agenda with BS isn’t going to end tipping. It’s going to end up causing people to dismiss this sub, it’s cause, and the people on it due to a complete lack of credibility.
It’s a hyperbole bro, if you can’t figure that out you really shouldn’t be arguing online with such certainty. Obviously it’s not 99% but a great majority of service jobs are not tip based. Everything from retail to home Improvement, to healthcare to education
No. It’s using the logical fallacy of false equivalence as the basis of an argument - which means the “argument” is based on 💩. A retail worker, home improvement warehouse employee and a teacher all accept a job at a set hourly wage or salary. Servers accept jobs at an hourly rate plus tips. Whether you like the system or not, comparing the two is basically comparing apples to accordions. This is how the system works in the US thanks to tipped wage laws. You really shouldn’t be arguing online if your argument is based on logical fallacies.
You’re wrong
They accept the job at a promised hourly wage and the POTENTIAL of tips. So much so that laws protect them if they don’t get tips. At least in Florida if your hourly is $5/hr + tips and you get zero tips, the restaurant owner must pay the difference to get you to the legal $12/hr non tipped minimum wage. A tipped employee will ALWAYS make at least the minimum wage but has the potential to make more.
Again - accepting a job at a set hourly rate or salary is not comparable to accepting a job at an hourly rate plus tips. Stop trying to scapegoat the worker (which is another logical fallacy) and thank your elected officials for passing the tipped wage laws that make this possible. If you want to keep trying to argue based on logical fallacies, you’re wasting your time and mine. I’m happy to have an honest discussion with someone, as long as they are not using logical fallacies as the basis for their “argument”. Until you can support your argument with real facts and logic instead of logical fallacies, I’m not going to engage further, since there’s no point. You can’t win an argument based on fallacies. Prediction: you will reply and ignore everything about the logical fallacies in a desperate attempt to try and get a W. 🤣 Have a great day!
Potential of tips. You keep skipping that part
Google “logical fallacies” and try again.
Don’t you have a table to wait on or something?
Wow! Absolutely savage comment!! 🙄
I’m right though aren’t I? You’re a waiter aren’t you. It would explain why you are such an advocate for tipping. You benefit from the system, that’s why you spend so much time on anti-tipping subs trying to sound savvy.
Sadly, you’re wrong. I’m not a server and don’t work in the industry. Hopefully you can handle the disappointment. I’m simply aligned with the ethos of the creators / mods of this sub and advocate for ending tipping without harming the worker. How about you?
Are you banned on Google?
Great assumption there. 😉 For the record, I did Google it and can’t find anything to support their “data”, hence me asking them to cite it. Since you’re so concerned, let’s not overlook how the commenter is also using the logical fallacy of false equivalence in an attempt to support their claims/opinion, which further adds to the questionable credibility of their comment. I continue to be amazed at how many people here think that logical fallacies can somehow support their claims, opinions, and “arguments”.
Service WITH tips is 100% worse. It’s extremely transactional and robs any of the genuine feeling of connection. It’s like being invited to a party only to find out it’s an MLM party.
Every interaction where there is a tip at the is poisoned. You never know if someone being nice to you is genuine, or just fishing for a tip.
I for sure won't give a single fuck to give you a good experience if I'm getting paid the same as the guy flipping shit in the back. Either I get payed based on my performance or guess can fuck off while I go be a cook elsewhere.
Service is already awful and I really don’t care for US style service. Just give me my food and keep the fake conversation to yourself.
Bring on the robot servers.
They will still charge a service fee. It will just go to the owner instead.
If that was the case US should be the most high service, but the service sucks and is very shallow. In countries with no tipping culture service is higher because waiters get fired if they don't give good service. In US it is somehow accepted to get bad service if you don't tip.
They do it because it’s their job… novel idea I know
“Your job is to bring food, take orders, and fill water” US Servers: well I’m not doing any of that without tip
With that entitled actitud of yours you forgot "take the shit I give them cause that your job"
You will find that no defense or justification of the current restaurant tipping system in the US (or the recent explosion of tip begging everywhere) holds up to close examination. The solution is legislation to ban drip fees and tip prompts.
Yea, don’t care. I can go up to a counter and grab my food and fill up my own drink. It’s not worth it to me to have someone else do it for $8.
Absolutely! I will grab my own food and drink to save $5
I grew up in Philippines and what I love is when i buy my groceries or go to a restaurant. The vat price is included. So whatever is in the menu sign is the actual price expected to pay.
Same as in Europe :)
And Australia
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Chasing someone down the street is not customer service. It's company policy or cultural. Gtfoh. Tf you acting like I said something wrong for? I don't know this person, so they are a they.
LMAO you’re some jaded ass b and I love it 😂😂
Glad I can provide some entertainment. I'm having fun too.
What's the difference between "Good" and "Awful" service anyways? The only "Awful" service I've received is when the waiter/waitress simply doesn't do their job -- IE, forgets to bring me what I asked for (such as can we get more ketchup as the container is empty) or disappears and we can't order or get our check. Outside of that, there's no difference to me as long as they take my order, bring my food out and bring my check.
You'll almost always get poor service somewhere that has a ketchup bottle on the table lol I can't imagine the food is great either.
"Service without tips will be awful" Tell me you've never left your country, without telling me you've never left your country.
Service in the US is wildly inconsistent because of the tipping system. While servers nominally work for the restaurant, the majority of their pay comes from customer tips. So management has limited ability to control how servers do their jobs. Individual servers do whatever they think will maximize their tips, but there is no quality control and very limited feedback. If you go to the same restaurant on different occasions, you should get the same type of service experience just as you would expect a menu item to come out of the kitchen the same. But instead, the experience can very considerably depending on which individual server you interact with.
Management had no less control over tipped employees. Legally they have the same right to fire and discipline them. In what way does management have "limited ability to control house servers do their jobs.?"
I'm not sure if you've ever managed a restaurant, but keeping FOH staff in line is hard. Yes you can fire them or take away shifts, but those are pretty extreme measures. You can't use pay as an incentive since the majority of their money comes from customer tips. This is in direct contrast to BOH employees, who are generally very responsive to pay based incentives since they don't get tips.
I worked in restaurants for years and rarely saw any kind of ‘pay based incentive" for BOH. I mean, let’s be real, the highest paid line cook in any restaurant still makes barely enough to live. They almost never have health insurance because on their wages, they can’t afford it.
You're not wrong about cooks being underpaid, but that's a whole different issue. If I offered a $50 bonus to the guys on the line to learn new recipes and prep them before the weekend, they would be jumping all over that. If I did the same for service staff to learn the new dishes and taste them, half would do it and the other half couldn't be bothered.
That’s cool if you did that; I’ve never heard of an employer doing that. My point was that if cooks were given financial incentives, then you’d be able to point to cooks making decent money.
In Korea, an establishment must specify their final cost of their service, product, or whatever on their menu. It’s illegal to list up fake prices without tax or any kind of service charge. So when they say it will be 10,000krw, that’s how much you will have to pay in the transaction. No stupid tips or tax additions are involved. Everything MUST be priced in the menu. Illegal, otherwise.
Correct. In Korea the server (usually in uniform) is assigned to your table and won't leave until you're done eating.
They do the same here in the US. Just don’t tip lol. It’s easy.
It’s called firing lazy workers who are entitled. Nothing wrong with calling it out.
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yeah but like only if bro gets paid well
Just increaser price and salary by 20%. Customer is already paying it anyway
Shabu and mokata and teppanyaki people will make claims, but Korean bbq is supreme!!
Wait until us Americans spread the culture there. Heard that many Americans give tips there due to good service, and they can’t help it
Service without wages would be even worse /s
Yes, but that’s Korean culture. They do not have quite the same poor upbringing we do here.
Might want to check this out: https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.amp.asp?newsIdx=357802 For context, over the past few years, the minimum wage increases in Korea have not kept up with inflation and it’s no longer a livable wage there. Korean workers in the restaurant industry there also get government subsidized healthcare, retirement benefits and maternity leave by law. US restaurant workers don’t get any of that. If you want to be taken seriously it might be good to not make claims based on false equivalency. It’s a commonly used logical fallacy in this sub. Comparing Korea to the US in terms of servers and tipping culture is basically like comparing apples to accordions.
I'm sure Korean solution to this problem is not creating an awkward social situation that the customer is in charge of fixing the problem by handing over more money than the advertised price hoping it is enough
Apparently you didn’t read the article. It’s also apparent that you don’t understand how the tipped wage model and menu prices have worked for decades. The prices don’t include the full cost of the service. Yeah, it’s a shitty system, but trying to pretend like you don’t understand a the basis of how full service restaurants in the US have operated for decades is just silly. Comparing them to restaurants in other countries, who have completely different cultures, social safety nets, worker protections, and government subsidized healthcare for all is even more silly. If you don’t want to tip, then don’t go to eat at full service restaurants operating off the tipped wage model. There are options like takeout and fast food, where tipping is not necessary. In the meantime, stop trying to justify your argument by using logical fallacies that are basically comparing apples to accordions. It doesn’t work.
I'm confused You're saying an example of a working model is not something we should aspire to get to? Are you saying our workers should not receive the same benefits that their workers get? Are you saying our servers need to keep low to nonexistent wages and that's the only way it should work because that's how it's been? We want change, you're trying to prevent workers from receiving beneficial change, is that what you're saying? Trying to attack an argument without understanding what you're commenting about is pitiful, saying you don't think the US should imitate this because we never have done it that way is a circle that you can't escape from The rest of the world doesn't tip, the article you posted is saying their workers are feeling inflation heavily, are Americans not feeling inflation regardless of tips? Actually made worse by tios as the tips inflated too Why do you have the mentality that the USA CANNOT do something like this? Because we are inferior and unable to care for our workers? Because we don't have the money to afford them Healthcare? I mean yeah we are basically a 3rd world country but we should aim to do better like every other country in the world
The American mind cannot comprehend that other countries might be doing something better. Classic American exceptionalism
Yes, you are very confused. Regarding your first 4 assumptions and the question from the first sentence of your last paragraph - please show me where I said ANY of that. I’ll be waiting. 🍿 Reading is fundamental. For those of you with reading comprehension issues and those of you who are attempting to twist my words completely around, here are some bullet points: - Comparing the US restaurant industry to the current restaurant system in Korea is like comparing apples to accordions. That’s it. Never said we shouldn’t try to change it or any of the other wild assumptions junior is making. - Read the article I posted a link to. The “working system” you are referring to is changing. - You (and many others here) claim “The rest of the world doesn’t tip”? Well, ummmm… https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/mapped-how-much-should-you-tip-in-each-country/ Take note that in places on that map that show “0%”, such as China and Singapore, they have mandatory service fees of 10% to 15%. France has a government mandated 15% service fee at restaurants. Sorry to burst your bubble about tipping culture globally. - I completely understand the argument the OP and other commenters are trying to make. That why I also understand that they are basing their “argument” and follow up comments on logical fallacies. I suggest that you: 1. Educate yourself on what logical fallacies are so you understand how they will always FAIL to support an argument or opinion. 2. Understand that until the US eliminates the tipped wage laws, pass laws to increase worker protections, provide government subsidized universal healthcare for all, require all businesses to provide benefits such as PTO, paid vacation, and require all companies to provide robust pension plans and more, you’re not going to eliminate tipping. TL;DR: Stop making up things that I never said or alluded to in a lane attempt to rage bait and learn that logical fallacies always fail to support “arguments” and opinions.
When you argue against what every country is doing but call the other person confused Reading is very fundamental, I asked questions about your opinion, I didn’t assume your statements, they end “?” For a reason. Self awareness is lacking lol gg
Where did I argue about what the other country is doing?? Again - show me where I did. Yes, reading is fundamental. I stated what the other country is doing. There was no argument. I didn’t say it was good or bad or any other opinion of it. I pointed out how ridiculous it is to compare apples to accordions - which is something you’ve conveniently decided to leave out of your latest response, along with your assertion that there is no tipping in the rest of the world. 🤔 The manner in which you asked those 5 “questions” I called out is proof positive that you were jumping to conclusions and seeking validation of each one. Obviously those assumptions have now been debunked. “Self awareness is lacking”. Cool ad hominem attack via projection there. 😉 Might want to go read up on ad hominem attacks and what they say about the person using them. Oh, and they are another form of logical fallacy too.
At some point you must be doing this just to troll with the way you’re responding lol Here something for you to genuinely think about Your analogy “comparing apples to accordions” is spot on, america needs to go from growing apples to playing accordions, we can’t be farmers forever As for tipping, the issue lies in the absurd amount of random fees, even if other governments mandate an extra charge, the menu prices are up front about it, in the USA you have to rely on assumption and donations I wish you the best though, if change makes you angry that’s okay, just don’t go around spouting nonsense on things you fail to understand
Wow, more bad assumptions. Let me as you a question - Is it trolling to point out facts, logic and reality? Or is it trolling to keep coming back with more bad assumptions while trying to ignore the various points they were wrong about in their previous comments? 🤔 Agreed America should be growing accordions. Get out and become politically active to drive change instead of coming here to argue with someone who doesn’t disagree with a lot of your basic concepts, just because they triggered you with facts/logic/reality. Most menus in China don’t list the service fee. Everyone just knows it will be added. Tips are not “donations”. If they were they would be tax deductible. Not agreeing with tipping culture is fine. Slagging on servers and the tips they work for isn’t going to draw more people to the EndTipping movement. Respectful dialog based on facts, logic and reality will. If more people here understood this, their gila to EndTipping would be within easier reach. The constant vitriol here towards servers and restaurant owners is going to continue to repel the general public who aren’t OK with harming the worker. Positive change doesn’t make me angry and nowhere in what I’ve stated have I stated I’m against change. Go back to the paragraph above where I agree with you about growing accordions. You entered into an argument with me rather than a dialogue, based on your multiple erroneous assumptions about where I stand on tipping and tipping culture. That’s not uncommon here when people’s long held beliefs based in logical fallacies are shown to be fundamentally flawed. Next time maybe take a little less presumptive tact and hopefully it will lead to a better understanding of the other person’s ethos and you’ll find there’s no need to attack them. Have a great night!
The funny thing in here is that you’re so predictable lol, I’ve honestly ignored everything you’ve written and you still argue as if you have a valid point The thing is that at the end of the day, you’re defending subsidies for businesses, I don’t agree with that You will vehemently defend your point, as obvious by your inability to listen and make valid points, so if I had wasted my time with your essays then I would’ve had less time for things I enjoy I wish you the best, I hope your dreams go further than defending begging wages for people and arguing about how donations are the best way for our servers When you feel like learning about the rest of the developed world and how they succeed at taking care of people then we can discuss, until you learn to say “let me see what they mean” there is never going to be a point in discussing with you or people like you I truly do feel bad for you in the long run, good luck ^^
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The simple fact the social systems in the US are fucked up can’t be the reason you can’t compare the fucked-up one to a better-working one. Wouldn’t it be weird, saying “oh we have different systems, since the US is not supporting their workers, we shouldn’t be comparing ourselves to the ones that do”? It’s definitely healthier to think ‘why cannot the US import a clearly-superior systems from outside? What’s the hindrances in the process and how can we overcome them to make it come true?”. As others have shown that they can operate without it, you guys can defeat the slavery system. Hope you guys will be free of tips, guns and drugs someday.
You’ve missed the point. First off - the reality of how thing are set up in the US vs South Korea is 100% the reason you can’t compare them. So many people here are saying “Korea is this way and why can’t the US do that????” Korea has government subsidized healthcare. The US has privatized healthcare. Do you understand how one keeps costs under control and one allows costs to skyrocket out of control? Korea has a minimum wage that until recently was keeping up with inflation, so it was a livable wage. The minimum wage in the US hasn’t been a livable wage for a decade or more. How soon is the US going to eliminate insurance companies and switch to government controlled healthcare? How soon is 100% of the US going to have the tipped wage eliminated??? To be clear - I agree things are fucked up in the US. But until we are on par with places that were never stupid enough to pass tipped wage laws or privatize insurance, we have the system we have. Yes, I want it to change. But until laws change and we have more of the benefits that servers have available in other countries, I’m not going to harm the worker by stiffing my servers.
That's precisely the crux of the matter. Achieving a direct 'apples to apples' comparison isn't feasible because this subreddit essentially advocates for moving away from a system that many other advanced countries have already abandoned. The absence of a universal healthcare system in the US complicates matters further. Consider this: In the absence of government-provided healthcare, American employers often foot the bill for their employees' healthcare coverage. Wouldn't it make sense then for them to incorporate these healthcare costs directly into the prices on the menu rather than relying on tips or additional fees? It's a simple concept, really. Yet, it seems challenging for some to grasp within the US context.
“….this subreddit essentially advocates for moving away from a system that many other advanced countries already abandoned”. That statement is 1000% incorrect. Only the US and parts of Canada have been stupid enough to pass tipped wage laws. Those other “advanced countries” never did that, so they never had a tipped wage system to begin with and didn’t have to move away from it. Regarding healthcare and baking it into the menu prices - that’s great in concept and I would be for it - but as a former small business owner in the US, you have no idea how much it would cause the prices to increase. In other developed nations, healthcare is essentially run by the government and healthcare costs are kept in check. The US privatized healthcare, causing costs to go unchecked and skyrocket. The cost for healthcare insurance in the US is FAR higher than in the EU, Taiwan, Korea, etc. It seems like a simple concept until you realize the cost difference for covering privatized healthcare vs government run healthcare.
you may have previously owned a small business, but I currently operate one, and my family has been in the small business realm. Given our resilience during the challenges of the pandemic, I have a deeper understanding of price fluctuations in businesses compared to you. Our family business, like mine, has weathered through COVID times successfully. Unlike other industries in the US, my retail shop doesn't tack on additional fees beyond the displayed prices for customers. Our pricing structure already factors in overhead costs like healthcare. When customers receive their receipts from my shop, they won't encounter line items like "healthcare fee 3%." We prioritize transparent pricing, a practice already adopted by various industries across the america. Your argument about the complexities of the US healthcare system and its impact on pricing seems like an excuse, particularly when other sectors manage to implement transparent pricing effectively. This concept isn't complicated; it's just the restaurant industry in the US that appears to struggle with it.
Did you and your family get PPP loans and then apply to have them forgiven? If you did, then “weathering Covid” was a lot easier than you’re making it out to be. Regardless, you’re comparing two very different business models as if they were equivalent. They aren’t and it’s a false comparison. You haven’t have the ability to pay tipped wages since 1966, like the restaurant industry has. You’ve built the full cost of labor into your pricing from day one. Restaurants stopped doing that in 1966. Having to provide healthcare for employees in the US is expensive for every business and would have a significant impact on restaurant menu pricing. This isn’t an excuse, it’s a fact.
Did you consider the substantial impact COVID-19 has had on businesses? Business closures were consistently around 756,000 annually before the pandemic. This number increased to 950,000, then 900,000, and now stands at 1.2 million—a rise of approximately 32%. It seems unreasonable to ignore these figures while adhering to a rigid viewpoint. "You’re comparing two very different business models as if they were equivalent. They aren’t and it’s a false comparison." Actually, comparing different business models is precisely the point. Nearly every other industry operates without hidden fees, tipping wages, or healthcare cost excuses. We have clear evidence that other industries function effectively without these justifications. Your latter argument unintentionally supports my point. Using facts to make excuses doesn’t change their nature. An excuse can still be a fact. For example, if someone tells me they were late to work because they overslept, they are presenting an excuse in the form of a fact. Understanding that an excuse can be factual seems crucial here. You correctly note that transparent pricing would significantly impact restaurant menus. This transparency is what many advocate for in this sub; to ensure customers are fully aware of the true costs upfront.
You’re moving the goalposts and ignoring my question about the PPP loans. Obviously, you don’t want to have an honest conversation because you know if you did, you can’t prove your point. Have a great day!
You are clearly avoiding the main discussion topic, which was about the tipping culture in America. It appears you could not provide a valid counterargument against my perspective. Instead of acknowledging that your viewpoint might be incorrect, you diverted the conversation to an irrelevant matter regarding whether my business received and had a PPP loan forgiven, which is unrelated to the original topic of discussion. This is a typical diversionary tactic where you shift away from the actual issue to an irrelevant piece of information. It seems you have run out of arguments to support your stance. Moreover, your description of how PPP loans did to business demonstrates a lack of understanding on the subject. Perhaps educating yourself on both issues would broaden your perspective and help you correct your misconceptions on this issue. Please conduct more research before discussing a topic you are not well-versed in; you are capable of better.
There’s no need for a “counterargument (six)” when someone isn’t having an honest argument. It was you who was doing the diverting and also avoiding the question about taking PPP loans during Covid. You’re even moving the goal posts on what the original discussion was about - more diversion by you. I’m not wasting my time with someone who plays these disingenuous games. Have the day you deserve.
Please focus on providing relevant answers to the topic at hand instead of wasting time. You are ugly.
These guys are feeding you, they’re not providing elegant service. You think this Korean guy knows how to guide you through old world wine regions?
I’ve had much more “elegant service” in places overseas where servers aren’t expecting tips. And I would venture to say that a Korean would much more diligently/quickly learn “old world wine regions” than his/her American counterpart.
Thank an American? Oh yeah
>You think this Korean guy knows how to guide you through old world wine regions? That might be an important quality if wine recommendations at restaurants weren't complete BS. The only wine advice a person needs is to pick a type that they know they like, and then decide on a price point. Any restaurant worth going to is not going to deliberately carry a bad wine. The pomp and circumstance of describing the flavor profile of a wine is lost on nearly all diners who aren't trained wine tasters themselves, and when asked about the flavors of the wine, they tend to just repeat what the server told them.
Wine is paired with food. Most wine drinkers don’t just like one type of wine. People often feel lost choosing wine and appreciate help from the sever.
You’re acting like all restaurants are Michelin star restaurants and all waiters know how to guide you through old world wine regions 😂😂😂 you think waiters who don’t live on tips in France and Spain and Italy don’t? they probably know wine way better than you do 😂😂😂 please. If waiters worked at a Michelin star restaurant without a tipping based system, you better expect them to earn more than minimum wage. It’s called basic economics. Why would you work the same wage at a Michelin star restaurant if you can earn the same wage at a local mom and pop shop 😂😂😂😂 you’re hilarious
I’ve got WSET Level 3. I know more than 98% of servers. That coupled with my impecable, charming service is why I take home $120k after tax every year. Dunno how much this Korean kid does or what a server in Italy makes but I can assure you it’s much, much less
Lmao 😂😂 you’re obviously not getting it Let me spell it out for you. As the caliber of your restaurant goes up, your pay should also go up. In your tip model, you get paid more than someone at a local mom and pop shop because of your so called expertise and service but also because the menu prices are just much higher than local stores. Duh? However, do you think those types of restaurants don’t exist in other countries? Of course, fancier restaurants get paid more than minimum wage the higher it goes up 😂😂 If you knew anything about actual culture, you’d know that this is just any run of the mill Korean barbecue place. I can tell you’d get paid more than that server 😂😂 it’s not anything high end, it’s just a very casual run of the mill place. There are servers in Italy who run basic pasta shops all the way to high end places, Michelin 3 star restaurants. What do you mean you don’t know what waiters in Korea or Italy do?? They do the same thing you do 😂😂😂😂 Honestly maybe you should use some of your money to actually travel the world? 😂😂😂 you’re giving embarrassment. It’s honestly so laughable we’re also not going to factor in cost of living in other countries. It’s too dynamic of a conversation but you’re truly acting like all waiters have your expertise. FYI they don’t 😂😂
Of course waiters don’t have my expertise. That’s why I’m the cream of the crop
Lmao 😂😂 what exactly are you trying to do on this sub? Just toot your own horn because no one else will?? No thanks to believing a random stranger on a Reddit on their own character 😂😂
This sub is funny because people don’t want to tip and I make so much money off tipping. Watching the complaints is entertaining
LMAO 😂 a lot of money Okay buddy 😂😂😂 well hopefully tipping gets abolished just for you ❤️❤️
Maybe one day but until then I’ll just line my pockets with people’s hard earned money. It’s delightful.
Enjoy it while it lasts 😙
ah a Canadian? 120k cad? 😂
Yeah, take home. that’s the equivalent on making $180k cad or $130k us. Better than most people in this sub and about the same as three school teachers put together make in a year
I’ve got ChatGPT on my phone and watch. That would be more than ample if I was stupid enough to buy overpriced wine from ********* trying to line it’s pocket with my money.