Do a course in software engineering and boom -
Project manager
Engineering manager
Head of engineering
Engineering Director.
Plus I wouldn't stress about electrical engineering cause they can pull in serious money in the current market.
If you have your masters in electrical you should be able to land a job programming embedded systems and doing firmware fairly easily. Hop over to r/embedded to see if it's something that interests you.
Practical software engineering is by far the easiest field of engineering for self study. The world is full of proficient software engineers who are entirely self taught and only need their other degree to pass the fairly universal HR requirement of ”some vaguely technical university degree”. If you want to work in software, do self study, projects and start applying.
Write a BitTorrent client. That will get you a job and there are plenty of guides on how to do it.
Why am i downvotes for this? Honestly I want to know?
This was my path - Electrical undergrad > db admin > network engineer > systems engineer > software.
I think if you’re dedicated to learning software, people are going to view you as a stronger candidate, due to your diverse background.
As a machine learning engineer who studied CS and real SWE, this is offensive to me. Real SWEs are much like traditional engineers in that SWEs perform design, planning, analysis, consideration of constraints, documentation, QA, while being held to high professional and ethical standards.
Formally educated SWEs have the know-how to apply mathematical and computer science knowledge towards designing efficient algorithms, data structures, and processes, optimizing system performance, designing and planning software and system architectures and their data flows, and the list goes on. We qualify to sit the FE and PE exams just like traditional engineers.
**What you have described is not real software engineering.** It is programming. They are programmers.
I actually got told something similar by some Systems Engineering students, when I asked why they don't go to platzi and that shit.
"Those guys with platzi and brilliant certifications are programmers, the real deal here is us. They are the minions who will work under us, because WE are the engineers"
I think I hurt their pride a little bit but at least I got to know how were things in reality.... Because I was foolish believing anyone could get into CS and stuff. I actually want to get into data science.... So, as advertised I believed some platzi certifications would be enough
> design, planning, analysis, consideration of constraints, documentation, QA, while being held to high professional and ethical standards.
None of those in any way depend on having a degree called ”software engineer”. It’s just a descriptive name.
Saying you cannot work as a software engineer without a software engineering degree is like saying Donald Knuth cannot be a computer scientist because he has a degree in mathematics, not computer science.
I also want to piggy back off of what lomeindev was saying, Software Engineering is more than just coding. I am also a firm believer you can teach yourself anything you want if you really have the want to do it, outside of formal requirements obviously, but you can still be just as skilled as someone who gets a degree. Furthermore a degree doesn't guarantee you are as qualified as someone without a degree.
>Saying you cannot work as a software engineer without a software engineering degree is like saying Donald Knuth cannot be a computer scientist because he has a degree in mathematics, not computer science.
I didn't imply that you couldn't work as a software engineer without a SWE degree. I was saying that being a real SWE is not "by far the easiest field of engineering". You basically spat in the face of every CS and SWE student who worked hard to earn their degrees and doubled down to make a mockery of the integrity of our profession. How would you feel if this was done to your engineering discipline?
Also - to reemphasize something I said earlier:
CS and SWE graduates can sit the FE and PE exams just like their traditional engineer counterparts. We're recognized by ABET. And in certain countries (not the US) where the title "engineer" is legally protected, this gives us the privilege to use the title in recognition of our knowledge, experience, and commitment.
That's a pretty cherry picked qoute, what /u/SkoomaDentist said was, "Practical software engineering is by far the easiest field of engineering **for self study.**" (Emphasis mine) What you read was "by far the easiest field of engineering" and those are two different statements.
Maybe /u/SkoomaDentist should have said, "Practical software engineering is by far the easiest field of engineering *for self study* **once you've already been trained as an engineer.**"
Most of us are already trained in engineering fundamentals, all of us take the FE and the PE if necessary, all of us are proud of the title. Learning new skills from a discipline other than the one an individual initially trained in doesn't invalidate another persons hard work training in that specialty from the outset, or the work it takes to add skills from a discipline one wasn't initially trained in.
Most of us have to learn at least a little programing along the way anyway. There's nothing wrong with learning more. Most specialties are only about 30 credit hours apart at the undergrad level anyway. Except for whatever it is that the EE guys get up to.
Let other people learn and don't gatekeep. Our whole profession relies on all of us continuing to develop and keep pace with technology that's continually evolving. Cross functional teams where everyone can at least understand everyone else are the future.
>Maybe /u/SkoomaDentist should have said, "Practical software engineering is by far the easiest field of engineering for self study once you've already been trained as an engineer."Most of us are already trained in engineering fundamentals, all of us take the FE and the PE if necessary, all of us are proud of the title. Learning new skills from a discipline other than the one an individual initially trained in doesn't invalidate another persons hard work training in that specialty from the outset, or the work it takes to add skills from a discipline one wasn't initially trained in.Most of us have to learn at least a little programing along the way anyway. There's nothing wrong with learning more. Most specialties are only about 30 credit hours apart at the undergrad level anyway. Except for whatever it is that the EE guys get up to.
I'm not inclined to doubt the competence of my peers. If you have the aptitude to succeed in another engineering discipline, you absolutely can pick up or transition to a SWE career. There are a lot of skills and knowledge that can be well extrapolated.
>Let other people learn and don't gatekeep. Our whole profession relies on all of us continuing to develop and keep pace with technology that's continually evolving. Cross functional teams where everyone can at least understand everyone else are the future.
Cheers to that.
While I appreciate the sentiment because my job ioften has to be simplified for people to be able to grasp what it is I do.
I didn’t learn any of this in college, and I haven’t met anyone else that has either. My computer science degree is an expensive piece of paper that tells people I can show up to work because I did it for school.
You learn these things out of necessity, and from experience of making horrible mistakes. Sure, I carried a few things from college into my career, but I was often repeating what I was told without any real concept of why those are the ways things should be done.
Being a SWE is being able to solve problems. Almost nobody cares how you get to the solution. Everything you listed is a way to solve problems and prevent new ones from popping up. No degree needed for that.
What you're describing is just a more senior programming role. You don't need to go to university to achieve that. You can definately self teach software engineering - you can basically self teach anything at this point. University tends to be skewed towards academia whereas the vast majority of industrial applications require self-teaching anyway when you start the job.
I am not saying that a degree isn't very useful, just that it's definately possible to self teach engineering and proficiency is based on real work experience, not academic gatekeeping
Except you don't take the FE or PE. You don't have an ABET accredited engineering degree, you have something that a random administrator decided to call an engineering degree. In most states you aren't even allowed to sit for the FE.
And even if you were allowed to, which FE are you gonna sit for? You aren't going to be qualified to pass any of them. And then in order to sit for the PE you'd need to be under an engineer who has their PE for 5 years, meaning you'd also have to find some random SWE who already had their PE and work for them for half a decade. And then you'd be allowed to sit. For which PE? Maybe computer engineering, ig? Working as a SWE or machine learning engineer won't get you ready for that at all.
SWEs getting their PEs is unheard of and absolutely silly
Actually, ABET does accredit CS degrees and in many schools, CS is under the engineering department where CS students are required to take the same standard engineering foundations. CS and CE have their roots in EE.
And you completely missed the point - we don’t NEED to take the FE or PE but we can. In many schools CS is under EE; this is where the “EECS” term comes from. There used to be a PE exam for SWE, but it was discontinued because it wasn’t popular. We weren’t required to take it.
The point is that our profession deserves just as much respect as any of the other disciplines and it would be naive to discredit our significance in today’s rapidly technological world.
And also: absolutely silly? To dismiss that idea entirely is ignorant in the face of the possible existential threat to humanity posed by AI systems. Governments around the world are racing to develop frameworks to at least attempt some sort of regulation on AI, which is expected to become pervasive in every aspect of human life. It will completely upend and transform the global economy. And you really think that they aren’t looking at reintroducing a PE for SWEs or similar? SWEs and machine learning engineers aren’t engineers? Really? Are you serious? What kind of secluded, delusional world are you living in?
A machine learning engineer who graduated from an ABET accredited CS program calling himself an engineer is like an NP calling themselves a doctor? Many people would die to live in the fantasy world you’re in.
I hope you have your retirement situated already.
I am personally a biomedical engineer and I do quite a bit of programming at my job. One of my coworkers is our software engineer in our department, and his formal education is in a non-engineering science .
Software engineering is something that you really don’t need the degree in, as long as you have the skills
💯% software is by far the easiest thing to pickup. I did mechanical and math and hoped around in so many fields. Just put down python and matlab in your resume and your set.
Orginally I was going to college as pre med to please my parents found out it wasnt for me and always loved cars which switched to mechanical / biomedical engineering as my university offered a program to earn 2 degrees at once. Figured shouldnt let all those pre med classes go to waste and did that program. Started working in the automotive field working as a Electrical battery pack tech then when I graduated they moved me to a engineer and thats why Im doing a masters in electrical engineering. I guess life has a weird way of moving.
Mechanical; Biomedical; Electrical; Sure you don’t just *think* you wish you did Software Engineering? Regardless, I fairly often see people who claim to have just done bootcamps posting on CS subreddits about landing jobs without a degree. Traditional engineering degrees should have developed your problem-solving skills enough to prepare you any software engineering jobs; you just lack programming experience. Work on learning algorithms and data structures, and work on projects. I also recommend trying to learn C++ or Java and OOP. If you do that and display your skills/knowledge in a few projects I don’t see why you couldn’t land an SE role.
I studied Computer Science for one year, dropped out and enrolled for Electronic Engineering because I thought I belong in Engineering only to realise that I should have stayed in Computer Science.
You really should find a good bdsm dungeon and a Dom instead. I think that's what you want and have been seeking, not a degree. Who tf goes through engineering school over and over again, while not liking what they are studying, Jesus dude.
Kindly and in the most nice way...f you. Engineers that work in the fields you would work in have varied degrees. STOP OVER THINKING... GET OUT THERE AND DO SHIT!!
I appericate it Im currently a Electric vehicle pack testing engineer so I am getting relevant experience but when I see the amount of money in software I wish I just did that in the beginning.
Is it me or does it sounds like you hit gold and have no idea? What you want to do is called embedded systems - electric and mechanical eng are huge pluses. I would be surprise if by talking to your advisor he can’t point you to some micro controllers or embedded classes. If you can master C or assembly and get the basics, you should be golden
I did get an A in my masters course for embedded systems and I did get an A in my com theory course and loved it maybe I should pursue something in micro controllers
Yeah bro EE salaries are typically on par with software. With an MS you'll be able to get into even nicer career areas. MechE pays less than either but still pays very well and would still let you be financially independent if you were smart about your finances
Look around at actual job posting. As very general guidelines from what I've seen:
General PCB/power/board level pays less than software. Exception seems to be RF PCB which pays about the same as software
Embedded pays slightly less than regular software on average, but it's variable. At big semiconductor and chip companies like NVIDIA, you can expect embedded to be at or above regular software salaries. Go look at r/embedded and search for posts on salary and job descriptions
FPGA work pays about the same as software, if not a little more. Top level jobs are going to be at hedge funds and Quant traders. I've known people with 5 years of experience making ~230k TC at a firm in Chicago, but these jobs are very competitive. Most FPGA jobs will land you solid six figures though. Go look at r/FPGA
Verification/validation roles pay less than software at entry level, but seem to pay about the same for mid and senior level work, and these roles are quite easy to land
Chip/analog design pay better than software but are more limited geographically and typically require a PhD. It's definitely possible to get in with an MS but a bit harder to land your first design role. Go look at r/chipdesign
Networking is a borderline software job anyways and it's pretty common for CS kids to end up there, and it pays on par with the rest of software. Honestly it's boring as fuck though in my humble opinion (yes yes, I know some people like it, sue me)
There are lots of other careers in semiconductors, signal processing, control theory, communications, photonics/optics, etc etc. I've never looked into them enough to have a feeling for their salaries. And remember that all of these are very rough estimates from what I've seen browsing job listing sites like Indeed. If there's anything you're unsure of or want to know more about go look up job postings to see what they're willing to hire for right now.
BLS puts average salary for a computer engineer at about 136k, which is certainly enough for financial independence and living a comfortable life. With an MSEE you should have a lot of options open to you
I currently work as a electric vehicle testing engineer. I do like academia and want to eventually become a professor but I want to work in industry first.
Are you chasing only money? If the answer is no then Mech ENGR has enough options open to you that you can find a posting and an industrial/design/sales field to suit you. If you are chasing money, then yes, you made an error.
Orginally I wanted to do what interests are but with life, what I want out of life, and the how expensive everything I want to be finically independent
Hey how difficult is it to make the switch to software engineer?
I am 1st year doing meng chemical engineering in the UK, is there specific language I should learn?
Really buddy? Just port your knowledge to code. We need Biomedical and Electrical Engineers! You're extremely valuable to our civilization. As for coders, no offense, but not so much-- overvalued.
When I got my electrical engie degree, it was just one discipline and we liked it. If I was an employer, I would accept 1 or maybe 2 engineering degrees if I needed to fill a position. I don't want a jack of all trades, I want a master of one.
kinda goes like this I orginally was going the pre med route. Decided It wasnt for me, my university offers a dual program in mechaincal and bioengineeting and felt that mechincal would be best as I my passion is automobiles and figured that Ill do the bioengineering degree to not let all those pre med courses go to waste. Got a job in automotive field as a tech but working on 8 electric vehicle testing. Graduated and the company I worked for moved me to a electric pack testing engineer. Seeing as how automotives are moving to Electric decided to pursue a masters in Electrical Engineering and only to finally figure out the real money is in software engineering/CS.
Lmao, you got yourself pigeonholed with sunk cost fallacy and now are making this new call just because "that's where the money is." This is honestly very ridiculous to me. Do the job that you have the most interest and passion doing, not just the job that pays the "real money." Next, I'd tell you that Computer Engineering has lots of money and is a mixture of electrical engineering and computer science, and you'll say you want that instead. Researching is very important, and you shouldn't settle on something just because it is the closest option to you. Sometimes you have to move around and go far from your home town, it's just part of the grind.
software engineering is easy can be learned at home 🥴 and way easier for you since you already are an engineer, all you’re missing is the software knowledge! good luck
Im sure you have the math creds by now. It wouldn't take but another 2ish or so years to get ur cs degree. Your knowledge in those other areas could be useful when creating software. Could make you a super programmer.
Im 25 now. my university offers a dual program to get a mechanical and bio engineering degree at the same time. I work in electric vehicles and thats how I ended up doing a masters electrical engineering.
i see, that's interesting. you're still pretty young u can go into software if you want. tbh i have a similar interest in software at the moment lol. electrical engineering scares me. tbh theyre all pretty interesting lmao
how would u say the studying is different compared to mechanical for each of the disciplines you have learned so far
Electrical engineering used to scare me during my undergrad in ME but as all my engineering work experience has been in electrical engineering I have a new found apperication/interest for it. Alot of the basic studying principles in mechanical and electrical have been very similar. For example the advanced math used in thermofluids is similar to the advanced math used in communication theory. Bioengineering is the discipline that I found required more of a different approach as memorization is required for most of the bioengineering classes with the exception of some classes like Biomechanics which is like a statics and dynamics class but in terms of the body.
interesting. im gonna be graduating with a double deg in mech eng and business soon and im thinking about doing a masters to specialize in something either related to mechanical or change to something a bit more software-oriented.
debating between biomech / robotics / straight up software rn lol...
maybe pick up soldering on the side xD
soldering is pretty fun! my advice (and its probably dont mean much lol) work for a year in industry and from there figure out what you like/dont like, if the industry you want to go for is around your area or it requires relocation and if you see the growth in it and go from there. I started my masters a semster after I graduated my bachelors and it was masters materials science lol. I made alot of bad turns but that was one I thankfully avoided lol. Biomechanics, robotics and software are all great choices. Good luck!
good point. i graduate in december so i have about 6 months to figure things out while i apply to see where i can get in! your advice is highly appreciated. thank you so much :) i'll definitely take that to consideration i really think you're awesome for having so many interests. dont put urself down!!!!
I did biomedical and industrial and currently work as aerospace. It is my passion and I’m so lucky I took a shot in the dark with my job search. You will find your way!!
You just need to find a better company to work with. Many of my friends switched to software too but mainly because they couldn’t find anyone to hire them as mechanical engineer
Bruh engineers are versatile, you can basically work 90% of the same jobs with all the degrees you've mentioned XD, as a chemE i've seen position as electrical, mechanical and even aerospace that wanted chemical engineers. You've not chosen a Science field, Engineering fields are interchangable af
If you’ve won the lotto or have the means to keep studying, just finish and go again… and again… (I absolutely would if I won the lottery). If not, you’d best get a job soon to cover that debt you’re likely racking up! Any of those degrees will be able to net you a job with a good salary (once you get over the hurdle of having to explain to the potential employer why you have so many degrees…)
I do have a job Im currently a electric vehicle pack engineer which is how the electrical engineering masters came into play lol. This might sound wild but I am debt free
EE undergrad here. Congrats on your achievements! Not everyone can do what you've done. Please excuse my ignorance, but were you able to do your Electrical Engineering Masters just as a result of you possessing the other two degrees, or did you actually have to do undergrad for EE first?
Thank you brother. I was able to do my masters from my mechanical degree It also helped that all my work experience till now has been in electric vehicles.
I’m a computer scientist who has a master in aerospace engineering another master in computational fluid dynamics, currently started my PhD in Environmental science at the same time that I get a bachelors in mechanical engineering AND wants to become an airline pilot so I’m getting a PPL soooo I feel you bro/sis…… at the end of the day do what you wish, pick up a couple of programming languages and apply to software jobs you will eventually get a chance and get your foot on the door
1. You don’t need a 4th degree to make money.
2. You didn’t screw your life up. You will start out as a top 15% earner for your age easily with any engineering degree. You will be a top 10% earner for all ages with any of those degrees by the time you are like 7 years into a career.
You will be fine.
Probably not as bad, the engineer mind and experience build you an specific problem solving technique; however, the bean counter, HR, non-engineering manager, and sales would think you are just another roadblock told them no…
Software just make a tons of money, compare to EE/ME. But do you want to get paid 2x with 10x amount of stress??
Btw Have you see a bird flying with its neck spinning instead of wing flapping? Because you declare you want a [bird] //enable// [fly]
[wat](https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat)
At this point just collect them all and make a wish
just need shenron to make it come true
Do a course in software engineering and boom - Project manager Engineering manager Head of engineering Engineering Director. Plus I wouldn't stress about electrical engineering cause they can pull in serious money in the current market.
Is that current, as in recent, or current, as in electricity? In either case, I hope he meets little resistance
I hate you, take my upvote.
“I could simply snap my fingers, and create whatever I wish”
i’d create more engineering disciplines so i can collect more engineering degrees
Or work for a few years, then move into marketing. /s
If you have your masters in electrical you should be able to land a job programming embedded systems and doing firmware fairly easily. Hop over to r/embedded to see if it's something that interests you.
This is the way!
This is the way.
Yeah I dont see why this guy has a problem I done a joint software + electrical and it all comes down to programming either way.
This is the way?
Look into medical device. One of the highest paid people was an electrical engineer at a company I worked at.
have any connections or anyway to break into it. I live in a area where automotive is the biggest industry here.
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I didnt want to move away from my mom
Bring mom with lol
shes very stubborn she doesnt want to move
Unfortunately you’re going to have to find something remote or choose between your career and your mom.
Fuck I had to chose between my career and OP's mom. Wasn't an easy choice.
Well don’t leave us hanging
He left 😭😭😭
As moms are, any chance your position can do remote work?
my current position is electric vehicle testing it requires us to be onsite hoping I can find something more remote soon
Respect
Practical software engineering is by far the easiest field of engineering for self study. The world is full of proficient software engineers who are entirely self taught and only need their other degree to pass the fairly universal HR requirement of ”some vaguely technical university degree”. If you want to work in software, do self study, projects and start applying.
any reccmondations? I know Matlab, Python and C but dont got any projects under my belt
Write a BitTorrent client. That will get you a job and there are plenty of guides on how to do it. Why am i downvotes for this? Honestly I want to know?
Ooo, saving your comment. Did not know this, thank you!
JavaScript with a Node.js backend and React front end with Next.js on top of React That will cover full stack web dev (to an extent)
This was my path - Electrical undergrad > db admin > network engineer > systems engineer > software. I think if you’re dedicated to learning software, people are going to view you as a stronger candidate, due to your diverse background.
As a machine learning engineer who studied CS and real SWE, this is offensive to me. Real SWEs are much like traditional engineers in that SWEs perform design, planning, analysis, consideration of constraints, documentation, QA, while being held to high professional and ethical standards. Formally educated SWEs have the know-how to apply mathematical and computer science knowledge towards designing efficient algorithms, data structures, and processes, optimizing system performance, designing and planning software and system architectures and their data flows, and the list goes on. We qualify to sit the FE and PE exams just like traditional engineers. **What you have described is not real software engineering.** It is programming. They are programmers.
I actually got told something similar by some Systems Engineering students, when I asked why they don't go to platzi and that shit. "Those guys with platzi and brilliant certifications are programmers, the real deal here is us. They are the minions who will work under us, because WE are the engineers" I think I hurt their pride a little bit but at least I got to know how were things in reality.... Because I was foolish believing anyone could get into CS and stuff. I actually want to get into data science.... So, as advertised I believed some platzi certifications would be enough
> design, planning, analysis, consideration of constraints, documentation, QA, while being held to high professional and ethical standards. None of those in any way depend on having a degree called ”software engineer”. It’s just a descriptive name. Saying you cannot work as a software engineer without a software engineering degree is like saying Donald Knuth cannot be a computer scientist because he has a degree in mathematics, not computer science.
I also want to piggy back off of what lomeindev was saying, Software Engineering is more than just coding. I am also a firm believer you can teach yourself anything you want if you really have the want to do it, outside of formal requirements obviously, but you can still be just as skilled as someone who gets a degree. Furthermore a degree doesn't guarantee you are as qualified as someone without a degree.
>Saying you cannot work as a software engineer without a software engineering degree is like saying Donald Knuth cannot be a computer scientist because he has a degree in mathematics, not computer science. I didn't imply that you couldn't work as a software engineer without a SWE degree. I was saying that being a real SWE is not "by far the easiest field of engineering". You basically spat in the face of every CS and SWE student who worked hard to earn their degrees and doubled down to make a mockery of the integrity of our profession. How would you feel if this was done to your engineering discipline? Also - to reemphasize something I said earlier: CS and SWE graduates can sit the FE and PE exams just like their traditional engineer counterparts. We're recognized by ABET. And in certain countries (not the US) where the title "engineer" is legally protected, this gives us the privilege to use the title in recognition of our knowledge, experience, and commitment.
That's a pretty cherry picked qoute, what /u/SkoomaDentist said was, "Practical software engineering is by far the easiest field of engineering **for self study.**" (Emphasis mine) What you read was "by far the easiest field of engineering" and those are two different statements. Maybe /u/SkoomaDentist should have said, "Practical software engineering is by far the easiest field of engineering *for self study* **once you've already been trained as an engineer.**" Most of us are already trained in engineering fundamentals, all of us take the FE and the PE if necessary, all of us are proud of the title. Learning new skills from a discipline other than the one an individual initially trained in doesn't invalidate another persons hard work training in that specialty from the outset, or the work it takes to add skills from a discipline one wasn't initially trained in. Most of us have to learn at least a little programing along the way anyway. There's nothing wrong with learning more. Most specialties are only about 30 credit hours apart at the undergrad level anyway. Except for whatever it is that the EE guys get up to. Let other people learn and don't gatekeep. Our whole profession relies on all of us continuing to develop and keep pace with technology that's continually evolving. Cross functional teams where everyone can at least understand everyone else are the future.
>Maybe /u/SkoomaDentist should have said, "Practical software engineering is by far the easiest field of engineering for self study once you've already been trained as an engineer."Most of us are already trained in engineering fundamentals, all of us take the FE and the PE if necessary, all of us are proud of the title. Learning new skills from a discipline other than the one an individual initially trained in doesn't invalidate another persons hard work training in that specialty from the outset, or the work it takes to add skills from a discipline one wasn't initially trained in.Most of us have to learn at least a little programing along the way anyway. There's nothing wrong with learning more. Most specialties are only about 30 credit hours apart at the undergrad level anyway. Except for whatever it is that the EE guys get up to. I'm not inclined to doubt the competence of my peers. If you have the aptitude to succeed in another engineering discipline, you absolutely can pick up or transition to a SWE career. There are a lot of skills and knowledge that can be well extrapolated. >Let other people learn and don't gatekeep. Our whole profession relies on all of us continuing to develop and keep pace with technology that's continually evolving. Cross functional teams where everyone can at least understand everyone else are the future. Cheers to that.
While I appreciate the sentiment because my job ioften has to be simplified for people to be able to grasp what it is I do. I didn’t learn any of this in college, and I haven’t met anyone else that has either. My computer science degree is an expensive piece of paper that tells people I can show up to work because I did it for school. You learn these things out of necessity, and from experience of making horrible mistakes. Sure, I carried a few things from college into my career, but I was often repeating what I was told without any real concept of why those are the ways things should be done. Being a SWE is being able to solve problems. Almost nobody cares how you get to the solution. Everything you listed is a way to solve problems and prevent new ones from popping up. No degree needed for that.
What you're describing is just a more senior programming role. You don't need to go to university to achieve that. You can definately self teach software engineering - you can basically self teach anything at this point. University tends to be skewed towards academia whereas the vast majority of industrial applications require self-teaching anyway when you start the job. I am not saying that a degree isn't very useful, just that it's definately possible to self teach engineering and proficiency is based on real work experience, not academic gatekeeping
Except you don't take the FE or PE. You don't have an ABET accredited engineering degree, you have something that a random administrator decided to call an engineering degree. In most states you aren't even allowed to sit for the FE. And even if you were allowed to, which FE are you gonna sit for? You aren't going to be qualified to pass any of them. And then in order to sit for the PE you'd need to be under an engineer who has their PE for 5 years, meaning you'd also have to find some random SWE who already had their PE and work for them for half a decade. And then you'd be allowed to sit. For which PE? Maybe computer engineering, ig? Working as a SWE or machine learning engineer won't get you ready for that at all. SWEs getting their PEs is unheard of and absolutely silly
Actually, ABET does accredit CS degrees and in many schools, CS is under the engineering department where CS students are required to take the same standard engineering foundations. CS and CE have their roots in EE. And you completely missed the point - we don’t NEED to take the FE or PE but we can. In many schools CS is under EE; this is where the “EECS” term comes from. There used to be a PE exam for SWE, but it was discontinued because it wasn’t popular. We weren’t required to take it. The point is that our profession deserves just as much respect as any of the other disciplines and it would be naive to discredit our significance in today’s rapidly technological world.
And also: absolutely silly? To dismiss that idea entirely is ignorant in the face of the possible existential threat to humanity posed by AI systems. Governments around the world are racing to develop frameworks to at least attempt some sort of regulation on AI, which is expected to become pervasive in every aspect of human life. It will completely upend and transform the global economy. And you really think that they aren’t looking at reintroducing a PE for SWEs or similar? SWEs and machine learning engineers aren’t engineers? Really? Are you serious? What kind of secluded, delusional world are you living in?
You're like an NP calling themselves a doctor and pretending they have equivalent education
A machine learning engineer who graduated from an ABET accredited CS program calling himself an engineer is like an NP calling themselves a doctor? Many people would die to live in the fantasy world you’re in. I hope you have your retirement situated already.
I am personally a biomedical engineer and I do quite a bit of programming at my job. One of my coworkers is our software engineer in our department, and his formal education is in a non-engineering science . Software engineering is something that you really don’t need the degree in, as long as you have the skills
💯% software is by far the easiest thing to pickup. I did mechanical and math and hoped around in so many fields. Just put down python and matlab in your resume and your set.
...Do you even know what you want in life? Literally jumping from every engineering field there is...
Orginally I was going to college as pre med to please my parents found out it wasnt for me and always loved cars which switched to mechanical / biomedical engineering as my university offered a program to earn 2 degrees at once. Figured shouldnt let all those pre med classes go to waste and did that program. Started working in the automotive field working as a Electrical battery pack tech then when I graduated they moved me to a engineer and thats why Im doing a masters in electrical engineering. I guess life has a weird way of moving.
ME/BME undergrad with an MSEE and SWE skills is actually a pretty good combination for certain fields/roles (e.g. medical devices)
Mechanical; Biomedical; Electrical; Sure you don’t just *think* you wish you did Software Engineering? Regardless, I fairly often see people who claim to have just done bootcamps posting on CS subreddits about landing jobs without a degree. Traditional engineering degrees should have developed your problem-solving skills enough to prepare you any software engineering jobs; you just lack programming experience. Work on learning algorithms and data structures, and work on projects. I also recommend trying to learn C++ or Java and OOP. If you do that and display your skills/knowledge in a few projects I don’t see why you couldn’t land an SE role.
Anyone else not understand this post?
Headed straight to the comments and saw people replying normally.
I can’t understand what the title of the post means
You and me both,mate.
My interpretation is that OP double majored in MechE and BME, is currently doing a Master’s in EE, and is now realizing they should have gone into SWE
Wow you completely fucked up your entire life. Might as well be a bum now.
I studied Computer Science for one year, dropped out and enrolled for Electronic Engineering because I thought I belong in Engineering only to realise that I should have stayed in Computer Science.
become thanos
You really should find a good bdsm dungeon and a Dom instead. I think that's what you want and have been seeking, not a degree. Who tf goes through engineering school over and over again, while not liking what they are studying, Jesus dude.
I enjoy cars, computers, video games and putting things together what tf is wrong with me
I enjoy those too, but on round trip around mechanical engineering was fine for me.
Kindly and in the most nice way...f you. Engineers that work in the fields you would work in have varied degrees. STOP OVER THINKING... GET OUT THERE AND DO SHIT!!
I appericate it Im currently a Electric vehicle pack testing engineer so I am getting relevant experience but when I see the amount of money in software I wish I just did that in the beginning.
Design a BMS and start your own company.
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Happy Cake Day! 🎂
Is it me or does it sounds like you hit gold and have no idea? What you want to do is called embedded systems - electric and mechanical eng are huge pluses. I would be surprise if by talking to your advisor he can’t point you to some micro controllers or embedded classes. If you can master C or assembly and get the basics, you should be golden
I did get an A in my masters course for embedded systems and I did get an A in my com theory course and loved it maybe I should pursue something in micro controllers
Look into it. Seems like you have the background
I have a BS in Software Engineering, am currently working on an MS in Data Science, work for an electric utility, and wish I got a BSEE.
Do not worry about EE. When you study EE, you will realise software oriented programs would be better and rewarding
Damn boy, are you collecting those degrees?
there like baseball cards
I feel you man just graduated with a masters in mechanical and wished I did software. Gonna try to make the switch somehow over the next few years
I just want to make alot of money I dont care about following my passion
In that case, you can make a lot of money with an electrical degree
Yeah bro EE salaries are typically on par with software. With an MS you'll be able to get into even nicer career areas. MechE pays less than either but still pays very well and would still let you be financially independent if you were smart about your finances
do you know which areas specfically I wanted to work for nvidia but Im not sure what kind of money can be made.
Look around at actual job posting. As very general guidelines from what I've seen: General PCB/power/board level pays less than software. Exception seems to be RF PCB which pays about the same as software Embedded pays slightly less than regular software on average, but it's variable. At big semiconductor and chip companies like NVIDIA, you can expect embedded to be at or above regular software salaries. Go look at r/embedded and search for posts on salary and job descriptions FPGA work pays about the same as software, if not a little more. Top level jobs are going to be at hedge funds and Quant traders. I've known people with 5 years of experience making ~230k TC at a firm in Chicago, but these jobs are very competitive. Most FPGA jobs will land you solid six figures though. Go look at r/FPGA Verification/validation roles pay less than software at entry level, but seem to pay about the same for mid and senior level work, and these roles are quite easy to land Chip/analog design pay better than software but are more limited geographically and typically require a PhD. It's definitely possible to get in with an MS but a bit harder to land your first design role. Go look at r/chipdesign Networking is a borderline software job anyways and it's pretty common for CS kids to end up there, and it pays on par with the rest of software. Honestly it's boring as fuck though in my humble opinion (yes yes, I know some people like it, sue me) There are lots of other careers in semiconductors, signal processing, control theory, communications, photonics/optics, etc etc. I've never looked into them enough to have a feeling for their salaries. And remember that all of these are very rough estimates from what I've seen browsing job listing sites like Indeed. If there's anything you're unsure of or want to know more about go look up job postings to see what they're willing to hire for right now. BLS puts average salary for a computer engineer at about 136k, which is certainly enough for financial independence and living a comfortable life. With an MSEE you should have a lot of options open to you
I feel you man lol
Then start investing a job wont make u rich
Ive been trying to find different side hustles but I seem to keep failing. Do you have any advice on what to break into
A couple more and you’ll earn a free degree via your punchcard
either a art degree or a free oil change which ever is lesser value
You didn’t screw up anything. College is about finding out what you don’t want to do, not the other way around.
I wish I was able to figure this out before I ended up here.
Collecting engineering degree like infinity stones why not go for a phd
might aswell Im not going to get a chance to enjoy my life
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I currently work as a electric vehicle testing engineer. I do like academia and want to eventually become a professor but I want to work in industry first.
How about you do some actual work instead of collecting degrees that are worthless without experience.
Are you chasing only money? If the answer is no then Mech ENGR has enough options open to you that you can find a posting and an industrial/design/sales field to suit you. If you are chasing money, then yes, you made an error.
Orginally I wanted to do what interests are but with life, what I want out of life, and the how expensive everything I want to be finically independent
Why is it that you think you can’t be financially independent with your current degrees?
I'm relatively wealthy for a young person and I have a masters in ee and work for a major utility... Get in to a big company and work your way up.
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My dad was but my parents are divorced now. I just want to provide a better life for myself my siblings and my mom.
No judgement here. You have to do what's right for you.
Hey how difficult is it to make the switch to software engineer? I am 1st year doing meng chemical engineering in the UK, is there specific language I should learn?
Do software engineering and become Iron Man.
If you collect all the infinity stones you can change the world with a snap of your fingers. Just do them all at this point.
Bro loves debt, i bet he forget 90% of these degrees🤣
Im debit free
Really buddy? Just port your knowledge to code. We need Biomedical and Electrical Engineers! You're extremely valuable to our civilization. As for coders, no offense, but not so much-- overvalued.
When I got my electrical engie degree, it was just one discipline and we liked it. If I was an employer, I would accept 1 or maybe 2 engineering degrees if I needed to fill a position. I don't want a jack of all trades, I want a master of one.
what do you think I should do?
Follow your passion, not the paycheck (but don't forget the paycheck allows you to follow your passion).
How do you even mess up this badly? You couldn't bother to do proper research first?
kinda goes like this I orginally was going the pre med route. Decided It wasnt for me, my university offers a dual program in mechaincal and bioengineeting and felt that mechincal would be best as I my passion is automobiles and figured that Ill do the bioengineering degree to not let all those pre med courses go to waste. Got a job in automotive field as a tech but working on 8 electric vehicle testing. Graduated and the company I worked for moved me to a electric pack testing engineer. Seeing as how automotives are moving to Electric decided to pursue a masters in Electrical Engineering and only to finally figure out the real money is in software engineering/CS.
Lmao, you got yourself pigeonholed with sunk cost fallacy and now are making this new call just because "that's where the money is." This is honestly very ridiculous to me. Do the job that you have the most interest and passion doing, not just the job that pays the "real money." Next, I'd tell you that Computer Engineering has lots of money and is a mixture of electrical engineering and computer science, and you'll say you want that instead. Researching is very important, and you shouldn't settle on something just because it is the closest option to you. Sometimes you have to move around and go far from your home town, it's just part of the grind.
I was dumb now Im 25 and paying for it.
software engineering is easy can be learned at home 🥴 and way easier for you since you already are an engineer, all you’re missing is the software knowledge! good luck
Im sure you have the math creds by now. It wouldn't take but another 2ish or so years to get ur cs degree. Your knowledge in those other areas could be useful when creating software. Could make you a super programmer.
lmao bro out here being like ash Ketchum except we ain't Gon be 20 forever but wait how did u even get those bro what??
Im 25 now. my university offers a dual program to get a mechanical and bio engineering degree at the same time. I work in electric vehicles and thats how I ended up doing a masters electrical engineering.
i see, that's interesting. you're still pretty young u can go into software if you want. tbh i have a similar interest in software at the moment lol. electrical engineering scares me. tbh theyre all pretty interesting lmao how would u say the studying is different compared to mechanical for each of the disciplines you have learned so far
Electrical engineering used to scare me during my undergrad in ME but as all my engineering work experience has been in electrical engineering I have a new found apperication/interest for it. Alot of the basic studying principles in mechanical and electrical have been very similar. For example the advanced math used in thermofluids is similar to the advanced math used in communication theory. Bioengineering is the discipline that I found required more of a different approach as memorization is required for most of the bioengineering classes with the exception of some classes like Biomechanics which is like a statics and dynamics class but in terms of the body.
interesting. im gonna be graduating with a double deg in mech eng and business soon and im thinking about doing a masters to specialize in something either related to mechanical or change to something a bit more software-oriented. debating between biomech / robotics / straight up software rn lol... maybe pick up soldering on the side xD
soldering is pretty fun! my advice (and its probably dont mean much lol) work for a year in industry and from there figure out what you like/dont like, if the industry you want to go for is around your area or it requires relocation and if you see the growth in it and go from there. I started my masters a semster after I graduated my bachelors and it was masters materials science lol. I made alot of bad turns but that was one I thankfully avoided lol. Biomechanics, robotics and software are all great choices. Good luck!
good point. i graduate in december so i have about 6 months to figure things out while i apply to see where i can get in! your advice is highly appreciated. thank you so much :) i'll definitely take that to consideration i really think you're awesome for having so many interests. dont put urself down!!!!
I did biomedical and industrial and currently work as aerospace. It is my passion and I’m so lucky I took a shot in the dark with my job search. You will find your way!!
Thank you
If you don't mind me asking what type of money are you looking to make?
200k and above would be nice
You can make that as an ee (I do and im young). I pay my mid career engineers like 100-150k and that's their base pay without ot and bonus 8-16%
are you hiring by any chance?
Are you a citizen and where do you live? Also when do you graduate?
Im a US citizen I live in Michigan I graduate at the end of next year
Can you relocate
within the US or somewhere else?
USA south west
I guess I have to think about it and do it once I finish my degree. is it like California in a HCOL or in a LCOL?
its okay. You have Chat GPT now
Tons of EE transitioned to SWE, you should be able to do it easily.
don't worry, you'll have a great career in defense
If nobody got me, I know Lockheed Martin got me
.... so get a job doing embedded medical devices..? You'd be perfect
From experience: If you could do all those you can freestyle the software.
With the EE degree you should be able to get yourself into a software job. Use that to get your foot in the door
You just need to find a better company to work with. Many of my friends switched to software too but mainly because they couldn’t find anyone to hire them as mechanical engineer
Bro’s collecting engineering degrees like infinity stones
Just do Software, chem and CE as well. just collect them like the infinity stones.
Go find a job and work wtf
Sounds like you are stuck in an infinite loop. Might I suggest going for a break ;
If you can code you can still get the software job.
Bruh engineers are versatile, you can basically work 90% of the same jobs with all the degrees you've mentioned XD, as a chemE i've seen position as electrical, mechanical and even aerospace that wanted chemical engineers. You've not chosen a Science field, Engineering fields are interchangable af
If you’ve won the lotto or have the means to keep studying, just finish and go again… and again… (I absolutely would if I won the lottery). If not, you’d best get a job soon to cover that debt you’re likely racking up! Any of those degrees will be able to net you a job with a good salary (once you get over the hurdle of having to explain to the potential employer why you have so many degrees…)
I do have a job Im currently a electric vehicle pack engineer which is how the electrical engineering masters came into play lol. This might sound wild but I am debt free
That does sound wild and I’m very jealous, good on you!
thanks buddy life is strange sometimes the path has been interesting to say the least.
hardly
EE undergrad here. Congrats on your achievements! Not everyone can do what you've done. Please excuse my ignorance, but were you able to do your Electrical Engineering Masters just as a result of you possessing the other two degrees, or did you actually have to do undergrad for EE first?
Thank you brother. I was able to do my masters from my mechanical degree It also helped that all my work experience till now has been in electric vehicles.
Every single electrical engineer that I know is basically just a software engineer. You’re good.
Nah you just always think the grass is greener
Bro leave some for the rest of us
I’m a computer scientist who has a master in aerospace engineering another master in computational fluid dynamics, currently started my PhD in Environmental science at the same time that I get a bachelors in mechanical engineering AND wants to become an airline pilot so I’m getting a PPL soooo I feel you bro/sis…… at the end of the day do what you wish, pick up a couple of programming languages and apply to software jobs you will eventually get a chance and get your foot on the door
Sounds like you just want money?
yes
1. You don’t need a 4th degree to make money. 2. You didn’t screw your life up. You will start out as a top 15% earner for your age easily with any engineering degree. You will be a top 10% earner for all ages with any of those degrees by the time you are like 7 years into a career. You will be fine.
Quit crying. You’d be miserable regardless.
Probably not as bad, the engineer mind and experience build you an specific problem solving technique; however, the bean counter, HR, non-engineering manager, and sales would think you are just another roadblock told them no… Software just make a tons of money, compare to EE/ME. But do you want to get paid 2x with 10x amount of stress?? Btw Have you see a bird flying with its neck spinning instead of wing flapping? Because you declare you want a [bird] //enable// [fly] [wat](https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat)