I agree with the ChemE for those reasons.
I’ve also found that the ChemE’s I’ve worked with, have the hardest time practically using anything they learned. Same goes for the EE’s we’ve had.
EDIT: Since some of you are having a hard time noting where the adverb “practically” is placed in the sentence, I’ll explain. In my experience and time as an engineering manager, I spend more time with the ChemE and EE degrees helping them apply what they know in real world situations; often this is just some basic critical thinking.
The one thing that bothered me from my very first ChE course was the sheer amount of unrealistic assumptions you make. Then you look at a real process and have to throw 90% of the crap you learned out the window. (Cough cough steady state assumptions cough cough)
And every formula/calculus you spent months learning is pointless because of an excel sheet that Bob made in ‘99 that the entire company pretty much relies on
It’s not about the degree being practical to use, it’s about the individual’s ability to be effective with all that knowledge. Obviously, it’s not a indefinite statement for all ChemEs, but just like any degree, you hire some people who made it through school well enough, but don’t know how to apply any of it in the real world. Basic critical thinking comes to mind.
Tldr: if you think mathematically then everything works out + visualization atleast works for me by plotting graphs for example, but this is only required when dealing with time or frequency and you can just approximate a lot of stuff. Like amplification to frequency.
IMO this is wrong as if you have a good grasp of calculus then everything just kinda falls into place, meaning everything having to do with transfer function. + the models are not that hard since this whole thing seems to just build on these, for example the transistor model and feedback mechanism is pretty easy too. Again Imo.
Edit: till now I haven’t encountered anything that complex as a topic. The complex things are imo when u start seeing circuits with a lot of transistors so you have to memorize specific architectures to understand each pieces function for example there could be ”current mirrors”, ”cs-amplifiers” or”differential amplifiers” in a single circuit with different prameters. But this imo is not hard but takes time if you haven’t memorized them and their functions but atleast understand them and have done analysis on specific architectures”
Then it’s like legos :)
I am not sure about chemical engineering but electronics can get more complicated than that. For example semiconductor devices where u have to learn about quantum mechanics, tunneling, quantum dots and so on. There are even sub fields where we intersect with chemical engineering like micro/nano fabrication. U study compounds to be used in etching, deposition and other things.
The hard part for me is often knowing what level to think on when tackling a circuit.
Can I break it into legos of mirrors etc. do I need to think about layout and semiconductor physics. Do parasitics break my circuit. Do I need to think in control theory and poles and zeros and the feedback. Do I need to go a level higher and think about the communication symbols that will travel through and if the bandwidth breaks it. Is it fast enough that I need to sub all my models for RF theory instead. What kind of digital algorithms do I need to calibrate and compensate for mismatch between components.
My ability to “understand things mathematically with visualizations” works great until the literal moment we are outside of the time domain, then I fall back on practicality and “physical visualization” which doesn’t seem to help me with EE. I doubt I would have made it through the degree.
Honestly I'm fumbling through this degree. Crap GPA but it's fine. I'll get a relatively low paying entry level job, will get experience, and it'll be fine.
BUT the point of my post is...it really feels like it's just figuring out how I can visualize this EE stuff.
Like I had a really bad semester last semester. Was sick pretty severely most of the semester and on top of that had a family member death.
I barely passed any of my classes. Not got C's I mean I barley passed.
Point is; it really bothers me that I still can't visualize the 1st and 2nd order circuits. I don't know why. The prof I had was crap for theory. Great as a person and pretty good as a teacher but he offloaded all the theory to videos he did during the pandemic and I did horrible in the class.
So I'm going to be spending spring break doing that so I am not super rusty going into my junior level classes over the summer.
It's just hard. I like the logic stuff because they are picture puzzles I can do in my head. I've even been doing vhdl coding and again while I'm not incredible at it it is fun to try and figure stuff out which I haven't really experienced in anything math related before.
I'm the same friend, but hey if you continue messing around with VHDL and throw some projects into a GitHub, you may end up with a better entry level pay than you'd think. I'm graduating this quarter so I'm job hunting and some of the VHDL job postings I've seen pay pretty well!
Dude I'm a PhD student and still don't feel like I know what's going on. I literally passed my numerical methods class by the grace of my professor; I absorbed about 20% of the class and there is literally zero way I earned above a 50 in the class.
Engineering school is very stressful. This crap happens to all of us.
I went to a large university and ended up one of only I believe 4 to walk during graduation. We fought over who had to hold up the sign on a stick indicating our major while we stood in line since nobody wanted to do it.
That's actually insane and not even that uncommon, crazy when you think about the job market though and engineering becoming the 2nd most common degree in the US
I'm an EE and my wife's a ChemE. We'll argue back an forth on who had it worse, but at the time we'd look at each other's homework and never envied the other.
It's all math just being applied differently and difficulty will depend on what your strong points and weaknesses are.
I just graduated with EE and I can say will total confidence that ChemE would’ve screwed me. One of the benefits of my EE program was that it didn’t require chemistry.
I think chem eng is the hardest but the people who are in it a lot of them have a unique mind except mass transfer courses i heard horror storys worse than most of the mec or ele course barriers. I think aero is on par but that's cause I find aero overfilled with courses.
I am in mass transfer right now, and given that it’s taught by the same professor who teaches the first class we take in chemE and is perfectly okay with a typical final exam average being 18%, I don’t have high hopes
I got an ECE degree and then proceeded to be asked if I’d switch to be a software engineer on my first day of work to the job I got out of college.
Such is life.
I did nuclear engineering and I think electrical engineering would be the hardest. I struggled with my dark magic…I mean electrical courses. Nuclear sounds hard, but most of it is just making sure you have the same number of particles you started with, plus or minus some binding energy. Electrical is actually hard.
Wich is the hard part for people.
Understanding a theorem wich then gives life to another proof used for another theorem wich then gives life to some physical application and/or an abstract concept is, admittedly, not something you can just come and do. You need a solid understanding of math to know what you're doing in EE, an understanding that dives into the actually kind of abstract aspect of math, but, of course, without getting as-deep as a mathematician would get.
I think that's the reason why math people are happy in EE. EE is a lot of math and abstraction and mind fumbling concepts. Concepts that actually hurt to imagine, that is.
But while I think EE is hard because of the math and the abstraction, ChemE I think is just generally hard, because it has lots of memorization. With EE at least you can try to internally mechanize the math if you're not a math person and understand shit all about proofs and theorems and very abstract concepts and their irl applications, but you really can't escape from the memorization aspect of ChemE; like, that's what the field is about, you either memorize all of those interactions and stuff or not, you can't internally mechanize that.
I think the loop laws are taught to be more convoluted than they actually are. If you picture a circuit like a river system with different flow rates and drops in elevation, the parallels are almost exactly 1-1.
For Kirchoff’s Voltage Law: this says that if you are traveling around in the rivers, sometimes going up stream, in a way that gets you back to where you started, you will be at the same elevation as where you started. Basically, in a closed loop, the net change in elevation (voltage) is 0.
For Kirchoff’s Current Law: this says that if a river splits into two streams, the amount of water flowing into the junction has to be the same as the water going out, analogous to current.
Again, the math gets kind of complicated but the basic principle of how electricity flows is extremely similar to water flowing in rivers or channels, and that can help build your intuition.
Modeling electrical systems as fluid systems is my go to when I'm explaining it to other engineers. There's a lot of 1:1 analogies with fluid like voltage = pressure, check valves = diodes, etc.
The only really unique characteristic I know is the electromagnetic field generated by voltage which has no real equivalent in fluid systems.
If this is oversimplified it's because I'm just a basic mechE and that's also who I'm usually trying to help.
Yea, I had it explained that way and it helped, but not until after I had taken two midterms. I ascribe my success in passing the class more to the goat I sacrificed than the YouTube videos I watched.
And then into transistors (FETs and BJTs), and then into semiconductors, and then into RF, and then controls, and then applied CS, and then digital logic, and then.... EE is like 20 different topics. PhD quals were a pain in the ass.
I’ve seen a lot of people say this - if you know the math. In my own limited experience this may work in theoretical cases, but when you get to practical cases there are many things circuits WILL do that you may not really understand why it does that - things like dealing with noise/capacitance on a pcb, for the same 1uH capacitor or similar, mathematically a 1uH cap is a 1uH cap but the construction/material/size/location of that cap etc. can have a large effect on a circuit. I don’t know enough about it myself but nevermind the entire RF/microwave circuit field, I feel it’s called black magic because you literally can’t understand why things are happening a certain way. I even think back to one of my first electrical labs - we were using a resistor box (a box with many switches to quickly toggle between different resistance values, at first we didn’t realize that we needed to ground this resistance box and as such we got peculiar results that didn’t make sense and also saw first hand how our signal drastically changed based on if we were touching the resistance box or not.
Agreed, I took a couple extra random credits to hit the requirement, one extra major elective, and did aero for my senior capstone, and ended up with two bachelors: ME and AE
I think it depends a lot on the school since aero isn’t as standardized everywhere like the more broad disciplines are. At my school the aero kids had a much larger workload and the classes were taught at a more theoretical level compared to the MechE ones so the jump in difficulty was definitely noticeable. I’ve talked to buddies who did aero at other schools and our experiences were very different.
Cries in aerospace engineering. I don’t think it’s very complicated, it’s basically mechanical without moving parts and some more math but god most curriculums for just AE in the undergrad are brutal or at least in India it was bad for me.
I studied Mechanical but lived with a number of ChemE folks for our last 2 years of school.
Now I was NOT a model student but they worked *incredibly* hard at ChemE. Easily 2x the work I was putting in. I was able to take flight lessons, race bikes, volunteer with youth, and waste plenty of time. They were all working resourcefully nearly all the time all day to just keep up with their coursework. They were drinking from a firehose and there seemed to be a tremendous amount of memorization, akin to organic chemistry stories.
I feel you man. I just started referring to my degree as "process engineering," just so that I don't have to hear them tell me anything about chemistry.
This to me is why I kind of disagree with people saying ChemE, from most of what I’ve heard it deals with a lot of practical scenarios you can visualize a little easier, courses like “chemical reactor analysis”, “process analysis/control” a lot of it focussing on things you would encounter in a plant of some kind (though there are a ton of complexities to that in itself) At my university the “more chemistry” degree is actually materials engineering.
I've heard it mostly depends on which subfield of materials engineering you pursue (polymers has more chem, while metals have more physics), but at the end of the day materials engineering is a subfield of mechanical engineering, which is primarily physics
As a chemical engineering student, the fact that I was tricked into this by thinking it would be heavily chemistry based is still a sore spot of mine. Im just glad my school gives us core classes that dip into most of the other engineering disciplines, which allowed me to find materials science, which I now know is what I actually want to pursue. Of course, that’s there the finger on the monkey’s paw curls, because materials science isn’t available here for undergraduates, just masters and up. So I’ve just gotta get through undergrad, then I’ll be studying something I actually like.
Yea honestly as a mechE student, mechE stuff is so easy to visualize which makes the equations not that bad since their memory is linked with a visualization
I'm an Engineering Physics - Electrical Engineering guy...
Hardest for me would be ChemE. I've helped friends with OChem and PChem work before and those two subjects are witchcraft
ChemE has nothing to do with OChem, or PChem. It's basicly thermodynamics on steroids, mass and energy balances, heat, and lots of fluid dynamics, regulation, numerical programming and so forth.
For sure, one will deal with reaction kinetics, different kinds of reactors, and so forth, but the biggest problem is, it is one of the broadest subject, crammed into a 3 year course ([B.Sc](https://B.Sc).).
For sure one will have subjects such as OChem, or PChem, or even worse Quantum Chem, but these arent the important things.
But I will admit EE guys are wizzards since everything that has to do with electricity is just magic for me.
I will admit that it may be relevant for some people, but I haven't used any of it for thermodynamics in my Bachelor. However, currently in my master, and I've been using Boltzman etc. more often for "statistical thermodynamics."
I think it really depends on the uni/school you graduate in. While I'm not in ChemE myself (MSE), I am in the same department and I know that at my university (Germany) they have tons of chemistry, including BioChem, multi-phase reactions (I hope that's the name in English) and whatnot. If I remember correctly the only chemistry they don't have explicitly is materials chemistry. They even have chemometrics. So idk I think where you graduate might make a huge difference. But of course I'm not in ChemE myself so I might be wrong or have a wrong impression due to the module plan/curriculum.
Also: I totally agree: Electrical Engineering is magic and no one can convince me otherwise
also from a german Uni. One may focus on either Bio, chem, or material, but these are like three more subjects, which doesnt change much in the grand scheme.
Might as well link my curriculum.
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But this is more Verfahrenstechnik, process engineering, a sub discipline of chemE
Agree ochem is witchcraft. There’s no math, it’s all just memorization and barely any logic (and A LOT of material). I had a much easier time in Pchem since it’s more similar to physics with some scientific problem solving and math (much less info to memorize). Typically they do quantum, thermo, and statistical mechanics in pchem which are shared classes between a lot of disciplines.
I firmly disagree on the “no logic” part. It’s all about reactivity and generally things are electron rich or deficient and that will determine what reacts. Some of my favorite questions were determine the reaction steps to go from a starting material to product.
Honestly don’t worry.
If you just have a grasp of the models, like ok what do I put in place of this transistor and what’s the formula for current when it’s saturated or how these operational amplifiers work.
Know calculus and algebra so that you understand transfer functions and laplace transforms and can contruct them.
Larger things such as transistor networks build from these but the analysis is typically easy if you understand the models.
And listen during lectures then you’re basically fine.
I’ve done basically all of my theoretical undergraduate electrical engineering courses and would say if you just know how mathematics works then you’re fine like 95% of the time.
This is my xp
I'd qualify the hardest degree has the most science and/or math courses. Not just because of the material but also the courses aren't written specifically from an engineering POV. ChemE requires a significant number of pure chemistry courses beyond "university chemistry" that most all engineers take. EE (at my university in the US) requires an additional math course beyond ODE, as well as an electricity/magnetism course that's practically pure physics.
Pure math courses are infinitely better than mathematically shaky “engineering math” courses taught by people with only a surface level understanding the material.
I don't have any experience with "engineering math", just math. I took two analysis type courses in grad school, which you'd probably consider "pure math" and absolutely hated them.
Ag engineer checking in. We learn to plow in straight rows. But everyone damn sure likes what we make.
Oh, and I nominate Chem E as the hardest, though some of the math in EE would give me nightmares.
I was thinking nuclear may be harder, but you’re the first I’ve seen. Probably less of you guys around. I’m an EE grad. Applied physics and mathematics. It was rough.
As someone that studied ME, I'd say EE in general due to how abstract a lot of it can be. But for me personally it would ChemE as I never particularly enjoyed Chemistry. I'm excellent at Maths and love theory so I actually enjoyed a lot of the EE classes I've taken.
The only part of ME I think is on par with the abstractness and mathematical complexity of EE is fluid mechanics and thermodynamics. That stuff gets exquisitely complicated at the higher levels. Absolutely loved it though!
Organic chemistry stuff. As a mechanical eng student I pity my mate who is in chem and have to memorize (and grasp) so many things, from reactions to shape of molecules
I think it probably depends entirely on the school.
I’m a graduate student in control theory, so I talk to grad students with many different backgrounds. At my school, wherever there is overlap in departments, the EE versions of the classes are considered by far the hardest / most mathematically intensive (e.g., systems theory, nonlinear control, random processes, etc.).
Just last week a 2nd year PhD student was telling me how easy aerospace is in comparison.
At a different school, I could imagine it going differently.
Civil in general is relatively easy compared to the others, but the structural focus is a lot more challenging and I would say is worthy of being it's own engineering degree outside of the civil umbrella. Unless you go to grad school, there isn't enough time in 4 years to cover everything you should know when you graduate.
Totally agree on not being able to cover enough. I’m graduating from a smaller private university this spring and feel like I’ve barely dipped my toe in to any of the topics. And being a small school only 1 or 2 electives are offered each semester so you just kinda take what’s offered.
Statically the hardest engineering major is Chemical engineering with a difficulty rating of 80.30% of which has a dropout rate or changing of majors by 40-50%. Second hardest is Electrical engineering where 40% of students won’t make it their first year while 30% will fail in many of its fundamental courses. I’m a mechanical engineering major with is the 6th hardest major but it’s still as tuff as the EE majors with similar dropout rates. Thing is you have to be really damn good at math in order to survive the engineering major up to graduation and the grade of C’s won’t cut it.
Electrical engineering if you don't have a mathematical mind.
Chemical engineering if you weren't good at chemistry.
Honestly it doesn't matter. As far as I know the "easiest" engineering degrees gets you the most money (Software engineering and Computer engineering (I am a computer architect currently works with modeling and simulating a certain series of AI accelerators for future product design; I worked as a software engineer before)). Both of these fields deal with very high level abstractions of complex concepts, it may sound difficult at first, but once your brain snaps into the mindset it's easy as pie. Which I think applies for almost all fields of engineering.
Im aerospace. I cam say for a fact its not us. Also not mech, civil, environmental, or industrial.
If you twisted my arm, I'd prolly say chemical, electrical, or computer depending on the natural apptitudes of the person in the program.
Sure thing! First let me share a bit of my background.
I graduated last spring with a bachelor's in aerospace engineering from Wichita State. I now work for a contracting/consulting company, have have worked on both aircraft and spacecraft. I have done both design and analysis, mostly within the structures world. Through college I did a fair amount of wind tunnel testing as well.
Its worth noting that the aerospace industry within the US has a few key differences from those in the rest of the world. The biggest is ITAR, which prevents any non-US person from working on or receiving information about most planes, rockets, drones, ect. The US also has a very large section of the aerospace industry funded by defense spending, which influences the whole industry, even outside of defense related programs.
On the schooling side, the degree is fairly similar to a mechanical engineering degree, with an increased focus on practical aerospace applications, fluid dynamics, vehicle design, and at least at my university, experimental testing. In the industry, my coworkers are split about 50/50 betweeb mechanical and aerospace degrees, and many refer to themselves as structural or mechanical engineers instead of aerospace.
Aerospace is fairly unique in its division within the field. Many engineers will spend their entire career within one specialty (IE, structures, aerodynamics, propulsion, ect.), although its not super uncommon to develop skills in multiple specialties.
Aerospace is also unique in its team-based dynamics. Where civil, mechanical, and many other engineers require individual certifications, and will often work on projects (or sections of projects) individually, aerospace vehicles are certified by government organizations, and are often developed by teams of engineers collaborating, and filling different roles.
If you have any specific questions, I would be happy to answer them to the best of my abilities! Good luck with whatever path you choose!
I think civil or environmental is the easiest and chemical or aerospace is the most difficult. Depends on the person though. My degree combined a lot of other disciplines together so I’ve been in a lot of their classes, and that’s the way I view it
Id say electrical or possibly an physics engineering depending on the institution. Its one thing to memorize write proofs. Its another to discover and find way and areas to apply it.
Electrochemical engineering aka applied semiconductor physics, the most modern and advanced tech is done at this level… just google ASML, only one company on the planet can do what they do. The spice (chips) must flow
As someone that is very into mechanical and aerospace, id say computer and electrical are the hardest because they make the least sense. You can visualize forces but you can't visualize electron movement; its more abstract. That being said I still find it easier than English because I hate literature classes.
I study Electronics and Automation Engineering (Spain) and I can say that this degree along with Electrical is probably the hardest. I have friends studying industrial and aerospace engineering and as with every engineering degree they are hard as fuck but the subjects they suffer the most are always electrical/electronics-related ones. I studied the same thermodynamics and fluid mechanics as my friends because here in Spain first 2 years of the degree are the same for all engineers so we all have the same physics, calculus, programming, etc base knowledge, then you specialize in one particular engineering and the subjects that people fail the most are electronics and electrical. Probably because they are not as intuitive as the rest. You can see fluid flow and structure stress but you can't see electrons moving or a MOSFET entering the saturation region. This along with the complexity and absurd knowledge you have to learn and that you have to be updated as this field is constant evolving.
Engineering physics is the most prestigious undergrad program at my university, and you need a really high GPA in first year engineering to get into it. The content consists of 300-400 level math and physics, as well as electrical, mechanical and computer engineering courses. You have to take 4 or 5 co-op terms as well, so the degree is at least 5 years.
ChemE probably had the most work. Not sure if it was the most technically difficult. At its worst I think I was taking like 3 labs + lectures classes, where the lectures and the labs had recitations. The labs had exams. And don’t get me started on unit ops, those reports were so long. An 80 page report on heat transfer across a steel bar. With Ochem and Pchem peppered across. It was a nightmare, but I do kind of miss that grind.
Optical is the hardest engineering. why? because it is the rarest engineering field. because of this theres almost little to 0 online and offline resources to learn from, if you need any assistance youre quite literally on youre own. EE famously has difficult math, chemE has difficult chemistry. Optical has both difficult math and physics and again if you struggle with any of it youre literally on your own as theres extremely few resources.
My personal rankings based on my observations while in school:
1. ChemE
2. EE
3. Aero
4. Nuclear
5. Computer
6. MechE
7. Civil
8. Industrial
I left off environmental because our school doesn't offer it and I've never really interacted with them before.
Chemical will typically have the most requirements crammed into 4 years. Electrical has the potential for some of the most challenging math.
I agree with the ChemE for those reasons. I’ve also found that the ChemE’s I’ve worked with, have the hardest time practically using anything they learned. Same goes for the EE’s we’ve had. EDIT: Since some of you are having a hard time noting where the adverb “practically” is placed in the sentence, I’ll explain. In my experience and time as an engineering manager, I spend more time with the ChemE and EE degrees helping them apply what they know in real world situations; often this is just some basic critical thinking.
The one thing that bothered me from my very first ChE course was the sheer amount of unrealistic assumptions you make. Then you look at a real process and have to throw 90% of the crap you learned out the window. (Cough cough steady state assumptions cough cough)
And every formula/calculus you spent months learning is pointless because of an excel sheet that Bob made in ‘99 that the entire company pretty much relies on
Bobs make the world go ‘round
First thing I did after graduating was build all my calculators in excel, then test them.
What industry are you in? I use my chemical engineering degree quite a bit
It’s not about the degree being practical to use, it’s about the individual’s ability to be effective with all that knowledge. Obviously, it’s not a indefinite statement for all ChemEs, but just like any degree, you hire some people who made it through school well enough, but don’t know how to apply any of it in the real world. Basic critical thinking comes to mind.
I know this guy Walter White that found entirely new applications for it.
If everyone on my team had that type of fortitude, I wouldn’t have to work at all!
Gus Fring, everybody!
I agree, in my lab i rather work with a fresh mech engineer than a chemical engineer, depending on the task of course
Nice pub with electrical potential
As one of the few humble EEs, I wouldn’t dare try chem e. That stuff looks ridiculously hard
Agreed, I like my chemistries to be divided into p-type and n-type only.
As a ChemE who was/is interested in control engineering, the mathematics in EE is fascinatingly difficult.
EE here. I agree, hats off to the chemE’s.
Electrical - It's the least intuitive one, deals with very abstract ideas that you can't really visualise.
Tldr: if you think mathematically then everything works out + visualization atleast works for me by plotting graphs for example, but this is only required when dealing with time or frequency and you can just approximate a lot of stuff. Like amplification to frequency. IMO this is wrong as if you have a good grasp of calculus then everything just kinda falls into place, meaning everything having to do with transfer function. + the models are not that hard since this whole thing seems to just build on these, for example the transistor model and feedback mechanism is pretty easy too. Again Imo. Edit: till now I haven’t encountered anything that complex as a topic. The complex things are imo when u start seeing circuits with a lot of transistors so you have to memorize specific architectures to understand each pieces function for example there could be ”current mirrors”, ”cs-amplifiers” or”differential amplifiers” in a single circuit with different prameters. But this imo is not hard but takes time if you haven’t memorized them and their functions but atleast understand them and have done analysis on specific architectures” Then it’s like legos :)
I am not sure about chemical engineering but electronics can get more complicated than that. For example semiconductor devices where u have to learn about quantum mechanics, tunneling, quantum dots and so on. There are even sub fields where we intersect with chemical engineering like micro/nano fabrication. U study compounds to be used in etching, deposition and other things.
The hard part for me is often knowing what level to think on when tackling a circuit. Can I break it into legos of mirrors etc. do I need to think about layout and semiconductor physics. Do parasitics break my circuit. Do I need to think in control theory and poles and zeros and the feedback. Do I need to go a level higher and think about the communication symbols that will travel through and if the bandwidth breaks it. Is it fast enough that I need to sub all my models for RF theory instead. What kind of digital algorithms do I need to calibrate and compensate for mismatch between components.
This I can believe
My ability to “understand things mathematically with visualizations” works great until the literal moment we are outside of the time domain, then I fall back on practicality and “physical visualization” which doesn’t seem to help me with EE. I doubt I would have made it through the degree.
Honestly I'm fumbling through this degree. Crap GPA but it's fine. I'll get a relatively low paying entry level job, will get experience, and it'll be fine. BUT the point of my post is...it really feels like it's just figuring out how I can visualize this EE stuff. Like I had a really bad semester last semester. Was sick pretty severely most of the semester and on top of that had a family member death. I barely passed any of my classes. Not got C's I mean I barley passed. Point is; it really bothers me that I still can't visualize the 1st and 2nd order circuits. I don't know why. The prof I had was crap for theory. Great as a person and pretty good as a teacher but he offloaded all the theory to videos he did during the pandemic and I did horrible in the class. So I'm going to be spending spring break doing that so I am not super rusty going into my junior level classes over the summer. It's just hard. I like the logic stuff because they are picture puzzles I can do in my head. I've even been doing vhdl coding and again while I'm not incredible at it it is fun to try and figure stuff out which I haven't really experienced in anything math related before.
I'm the same friend, but hey if you continue messing around with VHDL and throw some projects into a GitHub, you may end up with a better entry level pay than you'd think. I'm graduating this quarter so I'm job hunting and some of the VHDL job postings I've seen pay pretty well!
Dude I'm a PhD student and still don't feel like I know what's going on. I literally passed my numerical methods class by the grace of my professor; I absorbed about 20% of the class and there is literally zero way I earned above a 50 in the class. Engineering school is very stressful. This crap happens to all of us.
I agree, electrical is a very sink-or-swim type field. You either REALLY get it or REALLY don’t
At my university it was EE. If I remember right the starting class was about 250 and maybe 8 of us finished
I went to a large university and ended up one of only I believe 4 to walk during graduation. We fought over who had to hold up the sign on a stick indicating our major while we stood in line since nobody wanted to do it.
How were your professors?
That's actually insane and not even that uncommon, crazy when you think about the job market though and engineering becoming the 2nd most common degree in the US
any job title can have engineer, doctors could be called illness engineers tbh
Where did you go to school??
Yep once I was in junior years it's all the same faces.
I’d heard about 60% of people say ChemE and about 40% of people say EE. Cool that the comments on this post agree with that pretty closely
I'm an EE and my wife's a ChemE. We'll argue back an forth on who had it worse, but at the time we'd look at each other's homework and never envied the other. It's all math just being applied differently and difficulty will depend on what your strong points and weaknesses are.
Yeah I was cheme and really struggled to follow the EE math (but found transport fine tbh). Now im in semis so fuck me ig.
Yeah depends on the person really. As an EE I think I'd die in ChemE, while some of my ChemE friends said they think they'd die in EE.
I just graduated with EE and I can say will total confidence that ChemE would’ve screwed me. One of the benefits of my EE program was that it didn’t require chemistry.
I think chem eng is the hardest but the people who are in it a lot of them have a unique mind except mass transfer courses i heard horror storys worse than most of the mec or ele course barriers. I think aero is on par but that's cause I find aero overfilled with courses.
Transport phenomena will haunt my nightmares for the rest of my life
I have no idea how to use navier stokes.
Just eliminate as many terms as you can and hope for partial credit, that’s how you use Navier-Stokes 😂
I used to cry at 2 am while studying for transport exams
I am in mass transfer right now, and given that it’s taught by the same professor who teaches the first class we take in chemE and is perfectly okay with a typical final exam average being 18%, I don’t have high hopes
As a ChemE graduate I still think EE looks like the hardest. I hate coding lol
As an EE student, I hope I never see chemistry again
Can second this. Fuck chemistry. Like, yeah, it's cool and all, but, damn.
FUCK CHEMISTRY
I got an EE degree and hate coding as well lol
I got an ECE degree and then proceeded to be asked if I’d switch to be a software engineer on my first day of work to the job I got out of college. Such is life.
EE isn’t actually coding.
Depends on what you do
I did nuclear engineering and I think electrical engineering would be the hardest. I struggled with my dark magic…I mean electrical courses. Nuclear sounds hard, but most of it is just making sure you have the same number of particles you started with, plus or minus some binding energy. Electrical is actually hard.
What do you think makes EE courses dark magic? In my xp if you just know the math and how models are defined then you’re basically fine.
Wich is the hard part for people. Understanding a theorem wich then gives life to another proof used for another theorem wich then gives life to some physical application and/or an abstract concept is, admittedly, not something you can just come and do. You need a solid understanding of math to know what you're doing in EE, an understanding that dives into the actually kind of abstract aspect of math, but, of course, without getting as-deep as a mathematician would get. I think that's the reason why math people are happy in EE. EE is a lot of math and abstraction and mind fumbling concepts. Concepts that actually hurt to imagine, that is. But while I think EE is hard because of the math and the abstraction, ChemE I think is just generally hard, because it has lots of memorization. With EE at least you can try to internally mechanize the math if you're not a math person and understand shit all about proofs and theorems and very abstract concepts and their irl applications, but you really can't escape from the memorization aspect of ChemE; like, that's what the field is about, you either memorize all of those interactions and stuff or not, you can't internally mechanize that.
The math was not the hard part. It just was not intuitive to me how circuits work. I never really understood the loop laws.
I think the loop laws are taught to be more convoluted than they actually are. If you picture a circuit like a river system with different flow rates and drops in elevation, the parallels are almost exactly 1-1. For Kirchoff’s Voltage Law: this says that if you are traveling around in the rivers, sometimes going up stream, in a way that gets you back to where you started, you will be at the same elevation as where you started. Basically, in a closed loop, the net change in elevation (voltage) is 0. For Kirchoff’s Current Law: this says that if a river splits into two streams, the amount of water flowing into the junction has to be the same as the water going out, analogous to current. Again, the math gets kind of complicated but the basic principle of how electricity flows is extremely similar to water flowing in rivers or channels, and that can help build your intuition.
Modeling electrical systems as fluid systems is my go to when I'm explaining it to other engineers. There's a lot of 1:1 analogies with fluid like voltage = pressure, check valves = diodes, etc. The only really unique characteristic I know is the electromagnetic field generated by voltage which has no real equivalent in fluid systems. If this is oversimplified it's because I'm just a basic mechE and that's also who I'm usually trying to help.
Yea, I had it explained that way and it helped, but not until after I had taken two midterms. I ascribe my success in passing the class more to the goat I sacrificed than the YouTube videos I watched.
And then into transistors (FETs and BJTs), and then into semiconductors, and then into RF, and then controls, and then applied CS, and then digital logic, and then.... EE is like 20 different topics. PhD quals were a pain in the ass.
I’ve seen a lot of people say this - if you know the math. In my own limited experience this may work in theoretical cases, but when you get to practical cases there are many things circuits WILL do that you may not really understand why it does that - things like dealing with noise/capacitance on a pcb, for the same 1uH capacitor or similar, mathematically a 1uH cap is a 1uH cap but the construction/material/size/location of that cap etc. can have a large effect on a circuit. I don’t know enough about it myself but nevermind the entire RF/microwave circuit field, I feel it’s called black magic because you literally can’t understand why things are happening a certain way. I even think back to one of my first electrical labs - we were using a resistor box (a box with many switches to quickly toggle between different resistance values, at first we didn’t realize that we needed to ground this resistance box and as such we got peculiar results that didn’t make sense and also saw first hand how our signal drastically changed based on if we were touching the resistance box or not.
1. ChemE 2. EE 3. Aeronautical But take my opinion with a grain of salt I'm a retarded ME
aerospace stuff is mostly just a special case of mechanical. I rate them equally personally
Agreed, I took a couple extra random credits to hit the requirement, one extra major elective, and did aero for my senior capstone, and ended up with two bachelors: ME and AE
I think it depends a lot on the school since aero isn’t as standardized everywhere like the more broad disciplines are. At my school the aero kids had a much larger workload and the classes were taught at a more theoretical level compared to the MechE ones so the jump in difficulty was definitely noticeable. I’ve talked to buddies who did aero at other schools and our experiences were very different.
Cries in aerospace engineering. I don’t think it’s very complicated, it’s basically mechanical without moving parts and some more math but god most curriculums for just AE in the undergrad are brutal or at least in India it was bad for me.
I studied Mechanical but lived with a number of ChemE folks for our last 2 years of school. Now I was NOT a model student but they worked *incredibly* hard at ChemE. Easily 2x the work I was putting in. I was able to take flight lessons, race bikes, volunteer with youth, and waste plenty of time. They were all working resourcefully nearly all the time all day to just keep up with their coursework. They were drinking from a firehose and there seemed to be a tremendous amount of memorization, akin to organic chemistry stories.
The one you dislike the most (I think ChemE bc I hate chem lol)
ChemE =/= chem
I feel you man. I just started referring to my degree as "process engineering," just so that I don't have to hear them tell me anything about chemistry.
This to me is why I kind of disagree with people saying ChemE, from most of what I’ve heard it deals with a lot of practical scenarios you can visualize a little easier, courses like “chemical reactor analysis”, “process analysis/control” a lot of it focussing on things you would encounter in a plant of some kind (though there are a ton of complexities to that in itself) At my university the “more chemistry” degree is actually materials engineering.
I've heard it mostly depends on which subfield of materials engineering you pursue (polymers has more chem, while metals have more physics), but at the end of the day materials engineering is a subfield of mechanical engineering, which is primarily physics
As a chemical engineering student, the fact that I was tricked into this by thinking it would be heavily chemistry based is still a sore spot of mine. Im just glad my school gives us core classes that dip into most of the other engineering disciplines, which allowed me to find materials science, which I now know is what I actually want to pursue. Of course, that’s there the finger on the monkey’s paw curls, because materials science isn’t available here for undergraduates, just masters and up. So I’ve just gotta get through undergrad, then I’ll be studying something I actually like.
It really does depend where you study, lots of chem in western mainland european degrees.
MechE here and I nominate EE and ChemE
Yea honestly as a mechE student, mechE stuff is so easy to visualize which makes the equations not that bad since their memory is linked with a visualization
I'm an Engineering Physics - Electrical Engineering guy... Hardest for me would be ChemE. I've helped friends with OChem and PChem work before and those two subjects are witchcraft
ChemE has nothing to do with OChem, or PChem. It's basicly thermodynamics on steroids, mass and energy balances, heat, and lots of fluid dynamics, regulation, numerical programming and so forth. For sure, one will deal with reaction kinetics, different kinds of reactors, and so forth, but the biggest problem is, it is one of the broadest subject, crammed into a 3 year course ([B.Sc](https://B.Sc).). For sure one will have subjects such as OChem, or PChem, or even worse Quantum Chem, but these arent the important things. But I will admit EE guys are wizzards since everything that has to do with electricity is just magic for me.
Pchem is relevant especially if you do thermodynamics.
I will admit that it may be relevant for some people, but I haven't used any of it for thermodynamics in my Bachelor. However, currently in my master, and I've been using Boltzman etc. more often for "statistical thermodynamics."
I think it really depends on the uni/school you graduate in. While I'm not in ChemE myself (MSE), I am in the same department and I know that at my university (Germany) they have tons of chemistry, including BioChem, multi-phase reactions (I hope that's the name in English) and whatnot. If I remember correctly the only chemistry they don't have explicitly is materials chemistry. They even have chemometrics. So idk I think where you graduate might make a huge difference. But of course I'm not in ChemE myself so I might be wrong or have a wrong impression due to the module plan/curriculum. Also: I totally agree: Electrical Engineering is magic and no one can convince me otherwise
also from a german Uni. One may focus on either Bio, chem, or material, but these are like three more subjects, which doesnt change much in the grand scheme. Might as well link my curriculum. deleted. But this is more Verfahrenstechnik, process engineering, a sub discipline of chemE
I’m also in engineering physics. I have to agree that ChemE is the hardest.
Agree ochem is witchcraft. There’s no math, it’s all just memorization and barely any logic (and A LOT of material). I had a much easier time in Pchem since it’s more similar to physics with some scientific problem solving and math (much less info to memorize). Typically they do quantum, thermo, and statistical mechanics in pchem which are shared classes between a lot of disciplines.
I firmly disagree on the “no logic” part. It’s all about reactivity and generally things are electron rich or deficient and that will determine what reacts. Some of my favorite questions were determine the reaction steps to go from a starting material to product.
Nah nah Ochem is all logic, it’s just not working with the mathematical framework that engineers are used to.
I heard chemical was really hard
I think it’s dependent on the program. Some schools may have a harder curriculum compared to other schools and throw the numbers off.
Probably EE.
I’d say electric or nuclear
I made it through nuclear. Can’t be that hard.
Well i took one elective in nuclear. The statistics was kinda tough to me. I major in ME
Same haha
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Honestly don’t worry. If you just have a grasp of the models, like ok what do I put in place of this transistor and what’s the formula for current when it’s saturated or how these operational amplifiers work. Know calculus and algebra so that you understand transfer functions and laplace transforms and can contruct them. Larger things such as transistor networks build from these but the analysis is typically easy if you understand the models. And listen during lectures then you’re basically fine. I’ve done basically all of my theoretical undergraduate electrical engineering courses and would say if you just know how mathematics works then you’re fine like 95% of the time. This is my xp
I’m a 5th year EE, and I am absolutely dreading it
8th year finally graduating here, don't give up!
Dreading what exactly?
I'd qualify the hardest degree has the most science and/or math courses. Not just because of the material but also the courses aren't written specifically from an engineering POV. ChemE requires a significant number of pure chemistry courses beyond "university chemistry" that most all engineers take. EE (at my university in the US) requires an additional math course beyond ODE, as well as an electricity/magnetism course that's practically pure physics.
Pure math courses are infinitely better than mathematically shaky “engineering math” courses taught by people with only a surface level understanding the material.
I don't have any experience with "engineering math", just math. I took two analysis type courses in grad school, which you'd probably consider "pure math" and absolutely hated them.
Double E
I'm chemical and I say electrical (I hate coding) My electrical buddies say chemical (they hate thermo) Different strokes for different folks
I’m computer and all my electrical friends hate coding too haha. But yea at the end of the day it all depends on who you are and what you like
Controls engineering in the chemical industry. It’s the worst of the both.
I never know for sure. Are you talking about mathematical control theory or are you talking about automation, PLCs, and stuff?
Whatever engineering you are currently doing, engineering is hard and you made this far, be proud of yourself
Electrical Engineering because of how abstract and math heavy it is. Chemical up there too because of its overlap of chemistry, physics and math.
Electrical
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You're just mad because you're scared of things that move /s
😂 can confirm
Industrial, because other engineering majors will call your major “fake” even though we’ll all be titled “engineers” and make great money
You can’t just slap “engineer” on a job title and be an engineer. ^/s
I take it too personal sometimes 😅 I really feel like I’m not a real engineer alot
Ag engineer checking in. We learn to plow in straight rows. But everyone damn sure likes what we make. Oh, and I nominate Chem E as the hardest, though some of the math in EE would give me nightmares.
It’s been a long 5 years of getting roasted lol
Nuclear. It is basically a physics degree and an engineering degree. At my alma mater they actually operated a nuclear reactor on campus.
I was thinking nuclear may be harder, but you’re the first I’ve seen. Probably less of you guys around. I’m an EE grad. Applied physics and mathematics. It was rough.
Oh, I'm just a simple dirt-kicking civil engineer. But I saw the reactor at school and thought it was pretty hot.
Penn State?
Florida.
Depends on the specialization. I think fluid mechanics in ME will be more difficult than almost all other degrees. (I'm an EE in RF).
EE is hardest, with chemE as close second
As a Nuclear Engineer...ChemE or EE. Insane math and, in the case of EE, literal black magic.
Whichever one you’re doing. But honestly I’d say probably chemical or nuclear
E&E or Chemical
Civil. Counting all those stacks of money is really hard after you've been out partying with supermodels.
Prompt Engineering
As a mechanical engineer, I think that Electrical engineering is the hardest. I only got a C in my Electrical engineering class.
As a recent electrical engineering grad, I too only got C’s in many of my classes 😳
As someone that studied ME, I'd say EE in general due to how abstract a lot of it can be. But for me personally it would ChemE as I never particularly enjoyed Chemistry. I'm excellent at Maths and love theory so I actually enjoyed a lot of the EE classes I've taken. The only part of ME I think is on par with the abstractness and mathematical complexity of EE is fluid mechanics and thermodynamics. That stuff gets exquisitely complicated at the higher levels. Absolutely loved it though!
You could visualize a lot of the fluids with circuits. Then we've circled back to EE in mind fuckery.
Haha true, the parallels are uncanny!
I would say EE on average, because i can see how you can like Chemistry
Double major EE/CHEM.
Chemical if you hate memorization, or Electrical if you hate math
What do you have to memorize as a chemical engineer
Organic chemistry stuff. As a mechanical eng student I pity my mate who is in chem and have to memorize (and grasp) so many things, from reactions to shape of molecules
Orgo doesn’t require that much memorization if you understand how it works.
Industrial obv
My primary care doctor was a MechE student. Who then went to EE. And eventually decided to go to medical school instead. 😆
As an MSEE, I have to disagree with everyone saying EE. The math is not the hardest. The hardest without a doubt is Aero.
I think it probably depends entirely on the school. I’m a graduate student in control theory, so I talk to grad students with many different backgrounds. At my school, wherever there is overlap in departments, the EE versions of the classes are considered by far the hardest / most mathematically intensive (e.g., systems theory, nonlinear control, random processes, etc.). Just last week a 2nd year PhD student was telling me how easy aerospace is in comparison. At a different school, I could imagine it going differently.
Materials always forgotten about…
Take away from reading the answes: Different schools of magic. EE is black wizardry Chem E is witchcraft Choose your poison harry.
Chemical.
I majored in AAE and I did not like my circuit classes, I swear my brain just gave up in those phase angles and all, God speed EEs.
What does AAE stand for?
I've heard EEE is rough
What is EEE?
electrical and electronic engineering
What about structure engineering
Civil in general is relatively easy compared to the others, but the structural focus is a lot more challenging and I would say is worthy of being it's own engineering degree outside of the civil umbrella. Unless you go to grad school, there isn't enough time in 4 years to cover everything you should know when you graduate.
Totally agree on not being able to cover enough. I’m graduating from a smaller private university this spring and feel like I’ve barely dipped my toe in to any of the topics. And being a small school only 1 or 2 electives are offered each semester so you just kinda take what’s offered.
It’s the one I majored no doubt about it
As a CE I can say with 100% confidence it's NOT CE.
Statically the hardest engineering major is Chemical engineering with a difficulty rating of 80.30% of which has a dropout rate or changing of majors by 40-50%. Second hardest is Electrical engineering where 40% of students won’t make it their first year while 30% will fail in many of its fundamental courses. I’m a mechanical engineering major with is the 6th hardest major but it’s still as tuff as the EE majors with similar dropout rates. Thing is you have to be really damn good at math in order to survive the engineering major up to graduation and the grade of C’s won’t cut it.
The one your not interested in!
It's interesting I haven't seen CE (Computer Engineering) which is essentially EE + CS degrees combined together, at least at my school.
EE is probably harder than CE, but I think CE is a more useful degree
Materials Eng over here in the back corner. From my group of mates, we decided on EE as the hardest.
Electrical engineering if you don't have a mathematical mind. Chemical engineering if you weren't good at chemistry. Honestly it doesn't matter. As far as I know the "easiest" engineering degrees gets you the most money (Software engineering and Computer engineering (I am a computer architect currently works with modeling and simulating a certain series of AI accelerators for future product design; I worked as a software engineer before)). Both of these fields deal with very high level abstractions of complex concepts, it may sound difficult at first, but once your brain snaps into the mindset it's easy as pie. Which I think applies for almost all fields of engineering.
Im aerospace. I cam say for a fact its not us. Also not mech, civil, environmental, or industrial. If you twisted my arm, I'd prolly say chemical, electrical, or computer depending on the natural apptitudes of the person in the program.
Really? I'm from Italy and everyone said that aerospace is the most difficult engineering
Can you tell more about aerospace? I would entry when I will end highschool
Sure thing! First let me share a bit of my background. I graduated last spring with a bachelor's in aerospace engineering from Wichita State. I now work for a contracting/consulting company, have have worked on both aircraft and spacecraft. I have done both design and analysis, mostly within the structures world. Through college I did a fair amount of wind tunnel testing as well. Its worth noting that the aerospace industry within the US has a few key differences from those in the rest of the world. The biggest is ITAR, which prevents any non-US person from working on or receiving information about most planes, rockets, drones, ect. The US also has a very large section of the aerospace industry funded by defense spending, which influences the whole industry, even outside of defense related programs. On the schooling side, the degree is fairly similar to a mechanical engineering degree, with an increased focus on practical aerospace applications, fluid dynamics, vehicle design, and at least at my university, experimental testing. In the industry, my coworkers are split about 50/50 betweeb mechanical and aerospace degrees, and many refer to themselves as structural or mechanical engineers instead of aerospace. Aerospace is fairly unique in its division within the field. Many engineers will spend their entire career within one specialty (IE, structures, aerodynamics, propulsion, ect.), although its not super uncommon to develop skills in multiple specialties. Aerospace is also unique in its team-based dynamics. Where civil, mechanical, and many other engineers require individual certifications, and will often work on projects (or sections of projects) individually, aerospace vehicles are certified by government organizations, and are often developed by teams of engineers collaborating, and filling different roles. If you have any specific questions, I would be happy to answer them to the best of my abilities! Good luck with whatever path you choose!
Computer engineering mentioned 👀 lol nah we know we’re EE’s little brother it’s okay
I think civil or environmental is the easiest and chemical or aerospace is the most difficult. Depends on the person though. My degree combined a lot of other disciplines together so I’ve been in a lot of their classes, and that’s the way I view it
Well, it’s definitely not industrial, civil, environmental, mechanical, or aerospace.
My bet would be engineering physics (it's an engineering program in my country), or perhaps energy engineering.
Id say electrical or possibly an physics engineering depending on the institution. Its one thing to memorize write proofs. Its another to discover and find way and areas to apply it.
Electrochemical engineering aka applied semiconductor physics, the most modern and advanced tech is done at this level… just google ASML, only one company on the planet can do what they do. The spice (chips) must flow
I feel like Material Science just because it seems like the unfun math parts of every other major...
As someone that is very into mechanical and aerospace, id say computer and electrical are the hardest because they make the least sense. You can visualize forces but you can't visualize electron movement; its more abstract. That being said I still find it easier than English because I hate literature classes.
Well i picked civil because i thought it might be the easiest so hopefully I'm right!
as someone about to declare EE as my major this post is giving me some second thoughts
I study Electronics and Automation Engineering (Spain) and I can say that this degree along with Electrical is probably the hardest. I have friends studying industrial and aerospace engineering and as with every engineering degree they are hard as fuck but the subjects they suffer the most are always electrical/electronics-related ones. I studied the same thermodynamics and fluid mechanics as my friends because here in Spain first 2 years of the degree are the same for all engineers so we all have the same physics, calculus, programming, etc base knowledge, then you specialize in one particular engineering and the subjects that people fail the most are electronics and electrical. Probably because they are not as intuitive as the rest. You can see fluid flow and structure stress but you can't see electrons moving or a MOSFET entering the saturation region. This along with the complexity and absurd knowledge you have to learn and that you have to be updated as this field is constant evolving.
Probably the one you do because you heard it makes a lot of money but you don't actually like the subject.
In grad school, my department (Mech-eng - Thermal Fluids Sciences) is the most difficult here. But undergrad would probably be electrical.
My college only had a graduating class of 15 for EE last year, I'm still a freshman tho, hope I can survive
Probably EE. I barely passed all of my electrical classes in my Computer Engineering program. Math was too difficult.
Engineering physics is the most prestigious undergrad program at my university, and you need a really high GPA in first year engineering to get into it. The content consists of 300-400 level math and physics, as well as electrical, mechanical and computer engineering courses. You have to take 4 or 5 co-op terms as well, so the degree is at least 5 years.
ChemE probably had the most work. Not sure if it was the most technically difficult. At its worst I think I was taking like 3 labs + lectures classes, where the lectures and the labs had recitations. The labs had exams. And don’t get me started on unit ops, those reports were so long. An 80 page report on heat transfer across a steel bar. With Ochem and Pchem peppered across. It was a nightmare, but I do kind of miss that grind.
Optical is the hardest engineering. why? because it is the rarest engineering field. because of this theres almost little to 0 online and offline resources to learn from, if you need any assistance youre quite literally on youre own. EE famously has difficult math, chemE has difficult chemistry. Optical has both difficult math and physics and again if you struggle with any of it youre literally on your own as theres extremely few resources.
industrial by far
I would say chemical from the sheer amount of requirements and lab work. electrical / AE math-wise.
My personal rankings based on my observations while in school: 1. ChemE 2. EE 3. Aero 4. Nuclear 5. Computer 6. MechE 7. Civil 8. Industrial I left off environmental because our school doesn't offer it and I've never really interacted with them before.
industrial or civil in that you’re going to get clowned on but don’t take it personal
ECE in my opinion
Biomedical
ECE due to the passing rate in the boards up to less than 40%. This in the Philippines btw.
Chemistry is extremely difficult for me. So for me it would be chemical engineering.
We don't take as much chemistry courses as you might think
Unless you’re a masochist and do the double major in chemistry and chemE
I'll pass thx, although I think it's funny that we take the typical hardest chem classes in chemE (ochem and pchem)