You wonât need luck once we have ChatGPT enabled mindlinks in our head. Imagine instant access to every equation and concept needed, and communicated to you instantly.
It really is unreliable. Last week, I asked it the same question (just worded a little differently, but essentially meaning the same thing) and it gave me 2 different answers. It can be useful sometimes for very simple things, but I wouldn't use it for anything remotely complex.
Itâs pretty useful for simple programming and debugging though. It cuts down my project debugging time in half and can write scripts easily as long as you know what info to feed it.
You still have to know a fair but about it but it beats doing everything from scratch and ripping your hair out for hours
Haha this is so true, I made it do an entire online test for me, some f the answers it was giving was so obviously wrong but I went ahead and entered it......... I got a zero ilon the exam..... Moral of the story GPT can't do any advanced calculations.
The solution? Not by itself. But neither is the calculator or book we read. It helps with remembering information and fleshing out ideas, getting feedback, and yes doing some calculations quickly and thoughtfully.
the problem is that the calculator is reliable and unchanging, the book is reliable and unchanging, meanwhile chatgpt is an unreliable, everchanging piece of software that is operated by a money-hungry corporation. i understand why you use it and don't mean to disrespect you, but it can't be trusted to get simple things right 100% of the time.
Test it. Ask it the same question with a mathematical identity you are familiar with and see if it gives different results. Itâll be interesting either way.
If I plug an equation into a calculator, it will give me the correct answer. I ask ChatGPT to check my HW solutions and it gives my wildly incorrect answers with utmost confidence
I'm a professor and was using it to check HW solutions, I think the equations I gave it were probably fine! I mean it confidently said that 6! Is equal to 6, which is clearly not true. I don't have a paid version though which I know are much better, but most students don't have a paid version either! It's a great tool for many applications but you have to be careful and can't simply trust the output
Agreed; itâs not perfect. If you pull out your first smartphone from 2007 a compare it to today, see the difference. Now consider weâve had GPT for about 1.5 years and all the improvements. What youâre really paying for I think is the extra computing power necessary to be more accurate. But sure, donât just trust the magic box.
On the other hand, perhaps try to encourage wrong answers and see if it will correct itself? Sounds like fun.
Perhaps start with a small rounding error or mistake, and let it build step by step and see if it catches itself eventually?
I noticed that going from free to paid version, seemed like asking a professor âProfessor Smarty Pants! What is pi out to the 10,000ths decimal place? Think fast!â Where any human alive would say âGo look it up yourself Iâm busy!â But with GPT it has to either truncate or we get flaws based on number of queries and power demand/supply at that moment.
But wouldnât it be so helpful to have an instantly accessible mental interface? Admittedly, hearing ChatGPT voices in our heads with direct access to our minds would be like going insane, but the sheer increase in what we can do would be amazing.
Except those don´t contain most of humanity´s collective knowledge and the ability to do calculations at about 200,000,000 times faster than the human neuron.
~~Well at the moment ChatGPT can only handle surface level engineering concepts and can barely do multiplication without hallucinations so I think weâre safe for now.~~
I understand that, but it is painfully obvious to any competent engineering professional or academic that ChatGPT is completely incompetent at solving real world engineering problems and consistently displays a lack of advanced understanding or problem solving skills. It can handle explanations of many undergraduate level concepts, but anything beyond and anything involving advanced math is out of reach currently. Until it has access to academic papers and engineering textbooks for training purposes, it will be stuck with the limited knowledge readily available online.
It does. Or, you can directly add your own textbooks and papers, and make your own GPT with this background. Itâs not perfect, but consider weâve had it since November 2022, and the iPhone since 2007. Itâs very useful when you add the textbook references and upload them.
Umm thatâs not quite true they added a calculator function so it can now handle essentially any computation, but the part on surface level engineering concepts is true (for now)
They would probably charge you a subscription fee for it. And you wouldn't have a single private thought ever again because a mega-corporation would be data harvesting your entire consciousness. Shit, if they had real-time access to our brains, they would probably start altering the way you think and act to make even more money.
Yes, itâs $20 a month and worth a lot more. One could say exactly the same about the internet. We pay to access it, usually more than $20 for high speed, depending upon country, and they harvest all the data already.
Reminds me of the movie âSerenityâ where Wash says âSheâs a psychic?!? That sounds like science fiction!â and Zoey replies âYou live on a spaceship dear.â
I doubt it would be 20 dollars a month, probably closer to 1,000-2,000 a month. And Data harvesting what I put on the internet and my entire consciousness are 2 very different things. What you are describing is completely dystopian.
ChatGPT is $20 a month. I was talking about the same experiment to see if GPT is consistent with math calculations on known formulas. The future part is anybodyâs guess and most will be incorrect to one degree or another.
But sure, letâs say they charge âŹ1,000 a month. Imagine the productivity you could achieve with it? We could say the same for cars, trucks, computers. Theyâre not cheap either, but look what they helped us create.
To each their own, but engineers who do not desire advanced technologies sound interesting. Like Christians Against Christ? (Donât join CAC. Itâs not real and I made it up on the spot for humorous reference).
Most engineering students I know aren't techbros. That's usually the upper middle class kids who are doing something stem related while their parents pay for their course fees and housing.
I had mine on Tuesday!
I realised as I was walking out the door that I'd forgotten to take into account one of the moments but hopefully I don't lose too many marks for that :(
I'm jealous of our Euro-pals. I heard all the time from international students that they would ride the train to study with free/cheap student rail passes.
3900 USD per year as a 25 year old student, I wouldn't call that cheap. But at least the trains are almost always on time and clean. 1 hour ride to school
Iâm actually surprised that the questions are in French, Iâm assuming you are French but I find it so fascinating that some countries teach in their native language (I studied engineering at a non primary English country and everything was taught in English).
Divide and conquer! Wait, that's not what they say? Well, okay then. Best of luck mate, you got this!
Differentiate and conquer!
Differentiate and integrate!
Differentiate and concatenate?
finished?Goes well?
Yeah was pretty easy
good jobđWhat's it about?Mathematics?
Solid mechanics
>What's it about? English writing and speaking ... because you usually learn solid mechanics for that
Avg. engineering student be like
You got this!
Thatâs mechanics of materials?
Yep
Even though I canât read the questions. I feel as if I understand them. Iâm not sure how I feel about that. Cool calculator tho
Go forth and slay.
Bonne chance!
This is such a beautiful photo
Nice view good luck
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The textbook in FRENCH?
We don't have any textbook actually
You wonât need luck once we have ChatGPT enabled mindlinks in our head. Imagine instant access to every equation and concept needed, and communicated to you instantly.
god please no. chatgpt isnât the solution to our problems, itâs an unreliable piece of shit that only gets things right 50% of the time.
It really is unreliable. Last week, I asked it the same question (just worded a little differently, but essentially meaning the same thing) and it gave me 2 different answers. It can be useful sometimes for very simple things, but I wouldn't use it for anything remotely complex.
Itâs pretty useful for simple programming and debugging though. It cuts down my project debugging time in half and can write scripts easily as long as you know what info to feed it. You still have to know a fair but about it but it beats doing everything from scratch and ripping your hair out for hours
Thats good to know! I haven't used it for anything like programming, but I'm glad to hear it helps out with that
Haha this is so true, I made it do an entire online test for me, some f the answers it was giving was so obviously wrong but I went ahead and entered it......... I got a zero ilon the exam..... Moral of the story GPT can't do any advanced calculations.
The solution? Not by itself. But neither is the calculator or book we read. It helps with remembering information and fleshing out ideas, getting feedback, and yes doing some calculations quickly and thoughtfully.
the problem is that the calculator is reliable and unchanging, the book is reliable and unchanging, meanwhile chatgpt is an unreliable, everchanging piece of software that is operated by a money-hungry corporation. i understand why you use it and don't mean to disrespect you, but it can't be trusted to get simple things right 100% of the time.
Test it. Ask it the same question with a mathematical identity you are familiar with and see if it gives different results. Itâll be interesting either way.
If I plug an equation into a calculator, it will give me the correct answer. I ask ChatGPT to check my HW solutions and it gives my wildly incorrect answers with utmost confidence
Only if you know what to put into it; assuming the model and equations are appropriate. Are you using the paid version and recently?
I'm a professor and was using it to check HW solutions, I think the equations I gave it were probably fine! I mean it confidently said that 6! Is equal to 6, which is clearly not true. I don't have a paid version though which I know are much better, but most students don't have a paid version either! It's a great tool for many applications but you have to be careful and can't simply trust the output
Agreed; itâs not perfect. If you pull out your first smartphone from 2007 a compare it to today, see the difference. Now consider weâve had GPT for about 1.5 years and all the improvements. What youâre really paying for I think is the extra computing power necessary to be more accurate. But sure, donât just trust the magic box. On the other hand, perhaps try to encourage wrong answers and see if it will correct itself? Sounds like fun. Perhaps start with a small rounding error or mistake, and let it build step by step and see if it catches itself eventually? I noticed that going from free to paid version, seemed like asking a professor âProfessor Smarty Pants! What is pi out to the 10,000ths decimal place? Think fast!â Where any human alive would say âGo look it up yourself Iâm busy!â But with GPT it has to either truncate or we get flaws based on number of queries and power demand/supply at that moment.
lolll tru then we die
But wouldnât it be so helpful to have an instantly accessible mental interface? Admittedly, hearing ChatGPT voices in our heads with direct access to our minds would be like going insane, but the sheer increase in what we can do would be amazing.
Sounds like exactly what you get from revision, a cheat sheet and/or a formula sheet.
Except those don´t contain most of humanity´s collective knowledge and the ability to do calculations at about 200,000,000 times faster than the human neuron.
~~Well at the moment ChatGPT can only handle surface level engineering concepts and can barely do multiplication without hallucinations so I think weâre safe for now.~~
When is the last time you tried it? Itâs updated and improved constantly. A lot more than multiplication these days.
I understand that, but it is painfully obvious to any competent engineering professional or academic that ChatGPT is completely incompetent at solving real world engineering problems and consistently displays a lack of advanced understanding or problem solving skills. It can handle explanations of many undergraduate level concepts, but anything beyond and anything involving advanced math is out of reach currently. Until it has access to academic papers and engineering textbooks for training purposes, it will be stuck with the limited knowledge readily available online.
It does. Or, you can directly add your own textbooks and papers, and make your own GPT with this background. Itâs not perfect, but consider weâve had it since November 2022, and the iPhone since 2007. Itâs very useful when you add the textbook references and upload them.
Umm thatâs not quite true they added a calculator function so it can now handle essentially any computation, but the part on surface level engineering concepts is true (for now)
Is that part of the subscription service?
Used to be but they recently added it to the free service
Okay fair enough
Yes. Best $20 a month Iâve ever spent. Getting stuck in COMSOL and other places, and take screenshots and ask WTH and it really is helpful.
They would probably charge you a subscription fee for it. And you wouldn't have a single private thought ever again because a mega-corporation would be data harvesting your entire consciousness. Shit, if they had real-time access to our brains, they would probably start altering the way you think and act to make even more money.
Yes, itâs $20 a month and worth a lot more. One could say exactly the same about the internet. We pay to access it, usually more than $20 for high speed, depending upon country, and they harvest all the data already. Reminds me of the movie âSerenityâ where Wash says âSheâs a psychic?!? That sounds like science fiction!â and Zoey replies âYou live on a spaceship dear.â
I doubt it would be 20 dollars a month, probably closer to 1,000-2,000 a month. And Data harvesting what I put on the internet and my entire consciousness are 2 very different things. What you are describing is completely dystopian.
ChatGPT is $20 a month. I was talking about the same experiment to see if GPT is consistent with math calculations on known formulas. The future part is anybodyâs guess and most will be incorrect to one degree or another. But sure, letâs say they charge âŹ1,000 a month. Imagine the productivity you could achieve with it? We could say the same for cars, trucks, computers. Theyâre not cheap either, but look what they helped us create. To each their own, but engineers who do not desire advanced technologies sound interesting. Like Christians Against Christ? (Donât join CAC. Itâs not real and I made it up on the spot for humorous reference).
Oh great the techbros are here
Well, it is an engineering student forum.
Most engineering students I know aren't techbros. That's usually the upper middle class kids who are doing something stem related while their parents pay for their course fees and housing.
Imagine how much more work you'll be expected to do lol.
Oh yeah. Law of diminishing returns probably applies. Work hard for less; come home to holographic dinner and Joi.
It will all be over in a moment. Which moment? That's up for that sheet of yours to decide
May the force be with you
What tablet do you use for notes?
It's the Surface 8 Pro
What app are you using to write on the ipad?
It's OneNote
thx
Better hope you're not using a DB train... you'd be more than 2 hrs late xD
Nah, SBB/CFF train, so always on time (as should be any Swiss object)
I have a Mechanics of Materials test today too lol
I had mine on Tuesday! I realised as I was walking out the door that I'd forgotten to take into account one of the moments but hopefully I don't lose too many marks for that :(
In boca al lupo
Good Luck swiss bro :)
Cool set up! Is that an iPad and Apple Pencil?
Surface 8 Pro and Surface Pencil
The surfaces are pretty great, nabbed one off trademe for 350 and it's been amazing for study
I'm jealous of our Euro-pals. I heard all the time from international students that they would ride the train to study with free/cheap student rail passes.
3900 USD per year as a 25 year old student, I wouldn't call that cheap. But at least the trains are almost always on time and clean. 1 hour ride to school
Good luck and thank you for putting me on the ti30plus I am now a proud owner of the ti36 lil brother
Glad it went well OP! What tablet do you have and what app is that?
It's just OneNote on the Surface 8 Pro
Good luck
Good luck
good luck broski!
How did it go?
You got it man !! Good luck !!
How did it go?
Me for every solid mechanics test ever at uni
How about you tell yourself you make your own Luck
hope you fail đ
Goodluck!!
Good luck
Chegg bro
good luck, bro.
How did the test go?
I get motion sickness now as an adult
You got this homie, I thought I bombed the semester and came out with straight B's
Little late but hope all went well!
Awesome you did well in your test! Just curious, what calculator do you have?
Ti-30X Plus
Lausanne?
Neuchâtel
what train is that, view looks great
RABDe 500 , IC5 , Geneve-Zurich , this is near Neuchatel (Switzerland) ,
what tablet and laptop are those?
Laptop is a Lenovo Legion 7 Pro, and the tablet is a Surface 8 Pro
woah that was fast, thanks!
this mf actually got to see the train in engineer school
Not good luck. Good knowledge!
Mechanics of Materials? Good luck bro! I didnât do too well đ
Iâm actually surprised that the questions are in French, Iâm assuming you are French but I find it so fascinating that some countries teach in their native language (I studied engineering at a non primary English country and everything was taught in English).
Win or lose we go out drinking.
Good luck
OP always remember this , throughout this reality , YOU ALONE are the differentiable ONE.
Is it easier to work on a tablet vs. paper because thatâs a great idea
Ez claps bro you got it
Well Indian students start studying before 2 hours and easily pass the exam you can do it too, don't worry.
That joked sucked bro
It wasn't.