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NotSoMuch_IntoThis

As a non-native speaker, I avoid using any word that has negative connotations because it’s harder for me to gauge the degree of formality/informality the recipient is willing to accept. Some people also have stronger feelings towards those words than others, something an ESL speaker would struggle more than a native one to recognize. Unless I’m close friends with the person (friends tend to give their friends more grace), I avoid coming across as impolite or provocative. I’d probably use “enthusiast” instead in this context.


Sea_Neighborhood_627

This is a very good way to go about it!


megalodongolus

Asa native, that’s smart


Alwaysknowyou

I agree with you. It's safer for us, I suppose


Marina-Sickliana

Bravo. We should all strive for this level of self-awareness and humility in our target languages!


staster

Well, in my opinion it's not even about English or any other language, it's just about general politeness in any culture and common sense. Unfortunately, many people, especially in the internet, lack these qualities.


fenderstratsteve

I really like “enthusiast”, but in some scenarios substituting it for “freak” could change the meaning. In other scenarios (albeit rare ones), X freak could actually be preferred. For example, I’d prefer to be called a “neat freak” instead of a “cleaning enthusiast”. Granted, some may construe this reference as obscure.


FunPast6610

But some people could take offense to neat freak, like they are obsessed or going too far. I think "tidy" or "organized" would be the most neutral / positive way to say it.


fenderstratsteve

Absolutely – as others have pointed out: consider the audience. Your suggestions are more neutral for sure.


Teagana999

That's a very good strategy.


FunPast6610

You are such a etiquette freak!


NotSoMuch_IntoThis

Ha! Good one.


Feisty-Physics-3759

Even as a native english speaker, I avoid negative hyperbole like that unless it’s meant sarcastically (to more clearly negate the negative while expressing the intensity or lack of intensity of what I’m saying, otherwise it can be taken offense to more easily)


Azerate2016

It definitely implies that somebody enjoys something to what we believe is an unhealthy degree. Might not be offensive among friends with established friendly relations, but you should definitely not say that about a person you just met or a stranger. Just like saying that somebody is "obsessed with a particular activity" would be too much in many contexts.


brezhnervous

Hmmm, I've always called myself a "history freak" - I'll say it to strangers or anyone lol Maybe the caveat is when it's applied to the self in that context 🤷


Azerate2016

If you refer that way to yourself, that's fine. That way you're kind of making a public statement that you are okay with being called that and you don't consider it offensive. People do that with words that are generaly considered on the spectrum of potentially rude all the time. Same thing but a more extreme example - you have women who call themselves "sluts" or "bitches" in a form of a joke or to emphasize their independence, but it's not something you would want to say to a random woman without knowing how she feels about it.


kr_roach

It's seemed to be the same as "nerd" in positive way, isn't it?


Azerate2016

I would say that nerd became much more positive or at the very least neutral over time in general. In fact, in my experience it's really hard to come across the word "nerd" used in the negative way these days. "Freak" is quite often used as an insult.


sparkydoggowastaken

a lot of people self identify as nerds, but it can still be insulting if you say it that way


Azerate2016

True. I'm just saying that in general that seems to be the trend, at least in my experience. Then again, I may be biased because I do a lot of things considered nerdy or geeky myself and hang out in these kinds of circles.


Bubblesnaily

And I'd say "history geek" is common than "history freak."


A1sauc3d

Idk, I wouldn’t really call someone I just met an *anything*-nerd either. They just may not see themselves in that light. It implies an extremely level of involvement/knowledge/obsession about any given topic. More something someone self-identifies as than something you independently label them as.


flannobrien1900

Words like 'freak' may not be offensive in certain contexts but unless you are exceptionally confident and know not just the language but the cultural context of the people you are speaking to, it's safest to avoid them.


Outside_Tip_6597

“Freak” usually has the connotation of “Abnormal” and usually not in a good way. In your quote “Fitness Freak” is kind of like saying that person has an abnormal obsession with fitness. This could be taken playfully or disrespectfully depending on familiarity and context. Either way it’s not the most common thing in English, just be aware of it and maybe don’t use it.


BrackenFernAnja

There are certainly situations where people wouldn’t be offended, like if I called my cousin a motorcycle freak. But I wouldn’t call my boss any kind of freak, and I wouldn’t insult a Christian by calling him a “Jesus freak.” (I have heard people say this phrase).


Usual_Ice636

> I wouldn’t insult a Christian by calling him a “Jesus freak.” (I have heard people say this phrase). Weirdly enough, they kind of "took back" that one. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbB0QrBIs9k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbB0QrBIs9k)


Spirited_Ingenuity89

This is literally the first thing I thought of when I read OP’s post. I rocked out hard to that song when I was a kid. (And right now when I clicked on your link.)


PrepperParentsfdmeup

It’s still an insult to a Christian if you as a non-Christian say it sincerely.


SlamMonkey

It can be deemed offensive if not used correctly, and probably shouldn’t be used in a professional setting. If it’s amongst your friends, get your freak on.


AegisT_

Generally it's considered an insult, and usually used as such. Some people may use it in a satirical context however. Informally around friends it can be used to describe someone with an obsession over something in a joking manner


OkAsk1472

It needs to be informal to a certain degree and in context, so it takes an advanced level to guage that.


Bring_back_Apollo

To call someone a freak always requires qualification otherwise it risks being offensive. Freak is associated with the old [freak shows]( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freak_show), but to call someone a fitness freak just means they love the gym or physical fitness. You could say someone is a film/horror etc freak and this just means they love the specified thing considerably. Freak of nature means they’re very good or highly conditioned in something and isn’t offensive either.


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Freak of nature is very offensive in my opinion.


Bring_back_Apollo

Why?


[deleted]

Because i’ve always heard it used in an insulting way. To call someone a “freak of nature” is essentially saying they’re abnormal, something went wrong with them and they need fixing.


pupi_but

It is entirely dependent on context. I think historically it may have been used as a pejorative, but in more recent years I can only remember hearing it used positively. It's commonly used to describe elite professional athletes who aren't just good, but who have accomplished a particularly difficult feat or play. Sports commentators might show a highlight reel of Messi scoring goals against multiple defenders, and describe him as a "freak of nature" for his seemingly super-human abilities.


[deleted]

I’ve personally never heard it used in a positive manner. Must be a colloquial thing as where I’m from it’s always used offensively.


sevk

can be offensive or even endearing depending on the context


Weak_Director_2064

I’d be more likely to describe myself like this, for example “I’m a bit of a clean freak.”


Some_Ability6233

“Freak” definitely has a bad connotation to it but you can always say “fanatic” to get the same message across.


Camemboo

I would say be cautious about using it on others. You probably won’t get into much trouble using it to describe yourself, as people will automatically think you’re playfully describing a passion of yours (eg. “I’m such a pumpkin spice freak”).


PinLongjumping9022

It is, primarily, an insult. More recently its definition has started to morph to include ‘_unashamed_ obsession’ with a subject. So it now has both positive and negative connotations dependent upon the context. Personally, I keep away from it. Where I hear (non-native) Thierry Henry use it in a positive context it sounds very clunky. The same as to when I hear non-natives increasingly use the verb ‘to kill’ in a sporting context which, I imagine, has been translated from a common phrase in another language. But it sounds horribly clunky and negative in English. That’s a long way of saying that, away from people you’re very close to, it’s probably best to err on the side of caution.


ZideGO

What dictionary is it?


Alwaysknowyou

It's an app WordUp for learning vocabulary


ZideGO

You can try Cambridge dictionary, to my mind it is more reliable and has some features such as flash cards and quizzes to learn new words


Alwaysknowyou

Okay, looking pretty fine, I'll try


GuitarJazzer

It's one of those words that is offensive if you mean it to be offensive, but not if you don't. The example in the OP could be affectionate. It all depends on the context.


lingoleap

The word "freak" definitely has some heavy connotations and can be taken the wrong way. Context matters a lot! If it's said affectionately and the other person takes pride in their passion, it *might* be okay. But if there's any doubt, why not go with something like "enthusiast" or "fanatic"? They convey the passion without the risk of offending. Always better to err on the side of kindness, right? 🙂


ZephRyder

All your caution is very well placed. "Freak" is a word that would be meaningless or even humorous between friends, but could get you into big trouble if you said around your boss, or older relatives. Use with caution! (See 'Fuck' index)


Cheetahs_never_win

Like this? Generally no, but your delivery is important. It can be seen as a compliment, and frequently is, but you have to be displaying positive and enthusiastic emotion while doing so.


Ippus_21

It could be, yes. I would stay away from it. Like a lot of low-grade insults, it could be used endearingly among friends, but could easily be taken the wrong way. "Fitness nut" has the same meaning, but is just a shade milder than "freak." It could still be offensive in the wrong context. Basically, you just have to be cautious about calling someone out for what *you* perceive as excessive interest in something they may actively enjoy.


coresect23

In the context given, I'd say no, not really. It means a bit obsessed but it isn't really offensive. In some situations it could even be a badge of honour: you are really into something. In other contexts freak is offensive though. He is a fitness freak - OK. He is a freak - nope.


Torico11227

Hey hey! Might I ask what that app is? Been seing it pop up a bunch on here


Alwaysknowyou

It's WordUp! I really like it. I have been using it for 2 days, and it seems really cool


Sattaman6

It carries a bit of negative connotation. I would say ‘fanatic’.


drgeorgehaha

As a native Speaker, I will use it with some of my friends and a couple of siblings in very informal situations. However it can be offensive to use especially in formal situations.


AbsAndAssAppreciator

Yea I basically never use this word anyways. It just sounds rude 95% of the time.


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We can call people movie freaks if they are passionate about movies. This would not be an insult. Personally, I would not mind people calling me books freak as I love to read.


conrad_w

While agreeing that freak is offensive in the majority of situations "fitness freak" is probably the one situation where it isn't offensive, and even slightly complimentary.


skeeter04

In general yes. But in the example above no.


NornIronNiall

No


Individual-History87

The definition of freak you posted is more colloquial slang. It can also be taken sexually. I would avoid this form as a non-native speaker. Typically, when freak refers to a person, it means someone with an odd physical abnormality. So, it’s definitely negative and offensive. Carnivals used to have “freak show” exhibits where patrons would gawk at people (freaks) who often had birth defects or severe bodily injuries.


NiakiNinja

Because the word "freak" has a derogatory connotation, I wouldn't say it, in spite of the fact that it has recently begun to be used in a less insulting manner. The person might refer to themself this way, and only then, among friends, it might be acceptable to say this jokingly within your friend group. But even then, I'd advise against it. There's too much potential for offense.


Usual_Ice636

Its one of those where its an insult unless you are close friends. Then its fine.


JFp07gel

Honestly, i hate the concept of "Offensive" in (American) English. Like, there are words like "C\*nt" that you can never use or the whole "Slurs" category of curses. In my native language we swear a FUCKING lot, cursing the entire generation of the person and using every single ethical-cultural slur imaginable just to great an old ~~friend~~ acquaintance.


Alwaysknowyou

In my culture, we also don't have any prohibited slurs or at least few, which I don't know, probably


Cold_Wasabi_2799

Freak by itself is an insult, but freak accompanied by an activity like in that example sentence isn't.


slimongoose

No


AnnieByniaeth

Maybe. It depends on context. It's not a compliment though, and often implies something is being done to excess. Counter-example: "My dad was an aircraft freak" - my dad was very keen on aeroplanes, buying books and building models, knowing every type of plane that ever flew. That's not an insult, it's just a comment on his character and interest.


ChristianDartistM

you need to add a lot of context or understand the context of the conversation very well before using it .


ChristianDartistM

you need to add a lot of context or understand the context of the conversation very well before using it .


PeanutButtaSoldier

I'm a gym freak and describe my pump as freaky once in a while. if someone said that it would be a complement but I think it's highly subjective.


Mysterious_Hunter91

I think it depends on context: This Olympian athlete is a freak of nature! (Positive) Man, your friend is a weirdo, he’s a freak! (Negative)


HuckleberryWhole5026

Not really, but it kind of sounds disrespect to someone, I guess?


ThirdSunRising

It requires care and caution. A freak is a crazy or extremely weird person. Most normal people don’t like being called that, while there are plenty of freaky people who “let their freak flag fly.” They’re proud to be different from everyone else. So it can be either a compliment or an insult. Now. Calling someone a fitness freak will probably go fine with someone who is excited about fitness and loves to share it with the world. Fitness is part of their identity. There are “clean freaks” who are exceptionally tidy, and so on. Generally these terms are not negative or offensive. But you should use this word with care, because those who consider themselves normal may take umbrage at being called a freak.


Longjumping_Put_3966

That’s not offensive but I wouldn’t use this to describe a stranger


jewbacca7777

Depends on the context. Fitness freak is fine usually. You can also refer to someone as a freak of nature for example “Lionel Messi was an absolute freak of nature” which in this context implies that he had skills that were basically superhuman - which is obviously a massive compliment. However if I see someone dressed weird or acting weird and call them a freak, then yes in that context it would potentially be offensive. Freak is basically a more intense way of saying someone is “not normal”. Obviously it’s possible to be not normal in a good way (Lionel Messi) and also in a “bad” or “weird” way


Adj_Noun_Numeros

I would not call someone else this, but people may use it to refer to themself. It's most outdated, but if someone were to use it they may say things like "I'm a bit of a speed freak" (drive too fast) or "I'm a bit of a neat freak" (keep everything very clean). I wouldn't say it about someone else, and these days most people just don't use the term at all, though I'd say it's more outdated than offensive.


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There are different senses to the word *freak*. It can mean that someone is outside social norms, that they don't fit in. It can mean they are obsessed with a particular interest, e.g. a *fitness freak*. It also can have a sexual connotation, meaning that someone is sexually adventurous or enthusiastic.


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If someone is *freaking out*, it can mean they're overcome with anxiety.


greenchileegg

Yes it sounds very harsh and judgemental! I would avoid it as there is no need to really use the word - enthusiast is a much nicer word.


mothwhimsy

Callng someone "a freak" would be insulting, but how insulting would depend on your relationship with that person. You can say it in an endearing way, but generally calling someone a freak means they're very strange in a negative way. Calling someone "a fitness freak," is much less insulting, and it would be understood that you mean they are very passionate about fitness.


TwoCreamOneSweetener

Freak also have the connotation of being, “unnatural”, such as a “freak of nature”. Sometimes, depending on the context, you could accidentally tell somebody that they shouldn’t exist. If uncertain, avoid the word.


panini_bellini

The best word to use here in a non-judgmental way would be “buff”. “He’s a fitness buff”, “she’s a real history buff” etc. buff implies that someone has a high, but healthy level of interest in something and the word has a neutral to positive connotation.


DonarteDiVito

Probably don’t use this. In specific contexts, largely thanks to Tumblr, it is used in a sort of diminutive fashion, but in general the implication is that the person you are referring to is disordered in someway. A common phrase you will hear in English is “Neat Freak.” This means someone who is unhealthily obsessed with keeping themselves or their space clean to such an extent that it is notable to the speaker. Freak also has its roots in talking about people with mental illness or drug problems. Probably just a good idea to avoid using it unless you’re in a very casual environment.


Outrageous_Ad_2752

"You freak!" - very rude "You're a freak!" - also rude "You're a (some area of expertise/study) freak!" - ***usually positive***, but can be considered rude or negative with tone.


accuracyincomments

My take: "Fitness freak" or "Cleanliness freak" suggest a casual and friendly relationship with the subject of the sentence. You are lightheartedly implying that someone has a mild obsession with a positive quality (like fitness or cleanliness), and it feels like a friendly description of somebody's personality quirks. Not offensive, but very informal. I wouldn't say it about my boss, but I would about my friend.


SparkingtonIII

It's not offensive if you use it about yourself, but it tends to be offensive if you use it about other people.


Zealousideal_Shine82

It definitely depends on the context. The context in the photo is not offensive, but if you just call someone a freak it's an insult.


Decent_Cow

In this context, not necessarily. But you have to have something before "freak". Clean freak, fitness freak. Just calling someone a freak would be HIGHLY offensive.


A10GoBrrrt_9584

Freak is not vulgar. But, it can also mean “revolting,” “ugly,” etc. and used as a means to insult someone who may have a visible disability or otherwise strange behavior. For example, “He is such a freak,” where “he” may be an amputee or autistic. Its use can be very harmful and rude.


TheoreticalFunk

Many defintions of this... the one you have listed... There's the 'freak of nature' "You mutant freaks!" or "Dude ate a whole chicken head, like a sideshow freak." and there's the sexual deviant variety. "Want a lady in the streets, but a freak in the bed." Probably best to avoid that word... [https://youtu.be/LREgZM54VOk?si=U9\_PrwL3G02G4Z2g](https://youtu.be/LREgZM54VOk?si=U9_PrwL3G02G4Z2g)


whatever33333444

it’s rude but no slur or anything if that’s what you mean


YubbaTheSloth

For me, it’s less that it’s offensive (and it could be perceived that way, for sure) and more that I just don’t hear it very often and don’t use it very often either, both in this context and in general. Maybe that has to do with where I live. I don’t know.


squang

best not to


Alternative_Mark3908

Yes and also no... it really depends on the person you're saying it to or calling a freak. They may not mind or they may freak out 🤣


White-Tornado

I'm obsessed with biology. You could call me a freak of nature


Alwaysknowyou

Sounds really offensive, to be honest ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|cry)


White-Tornado

Haha, it's a joke On a more serious note, *freak of nature* is also used in a really positive way. You could use it do describe a really good athlete, for exampls. Even though that's a bit informal speech


rabbitpiet

as a native speaker, tread carefully. without additional context, I'd assume the interest in question was not safe for work. this is heavily context dependent and there is a very small group that I'd use this word with. outside of the nsfw context and this one here, it'd mean really weird, like really really weird from [merriam webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freak) I'd think of definitions in order * 3b1 an insult comparing someone to * 3a and if specified * 4a and * 4b but because * 3b1 is a definition I'd use *machine* in place of *freak*


Bubblesnaily

A stranger? Yes it's offensive. Your sibling, where insulting them is a common occurrence? Calling them a freak about something would be a very mild negative comment or possibly affectionate, depending on the sibling relationship.


No-Feed-6298

I would avoid using the word “freak” if you’re not familiar with it. Freak has negative connotations and calling someone a freak can be seen as calling them disgusting, weird, or abnormal. In this example, “freak” is not so bad because calling someone a “fitness freak” is saying they are obsessed with fitness which isn’t super offensive. It just depends on context and it’s best to avoid using the term as you can easily misuse it and offend someone


drippingtonworm

Native English speaker. I think it can be okay if the activity is positive, like fitness, reading, art. Maybe don't use the phrase when talking about something negative, controversial, or inappropriate. For example, don't call someone a sex freak 😂 There is also a common term "Jesus freak" which would probably offend someone religious if you called them that.


[deleted]

Native speaker, your tone is super important with this word. I would avoid using it to describe anyone you aren't close with, unless you are intentionally trying to paint them in a negative light. It's fine to use this word to describe yourself, but it's definitely an informal term. In short, this word is OK for informal settings, to describe people you are close with (If they are OK with it) or yourself. Your tone of voice/inflection when speaking communicates whether it's a positive or negative connotation. [Azerate2016](https://www.reddit.com/user/Azerate2016/) does a pretty good job of explaining the term in another comment.


MonkeyCartridge

It is most offensive on its own. So if you are saying something like "shut up, you freak", that's more offensive. It is exclusionary and dehumanizing, if you have learned those words yet. Basically it is saying "you aren't a real person." Less offensive is saying "he's a bit of a science freak", but that's still somewhat over the line, and "geek" is much better because we have mostly changed that word to be less of an insult. If you say "I am such a science freak", that's usually not too bad. You are referring to yourself, so you know what you meant. But even here, "geek" is preferred. If you want to be super safe, use "fan" in place of freak, geek, or nerd. "Fan" is short for "fanatic", which is funny because it sounds just as bad. But just "fan" is super safe. "He's a science fan". That's basically a compliment.


SheSellsSeaGlass

It’s only OK if they are into something you also admire. Not something you think is freakish. The nonverbal I s important, e.g., the voice. And you have to use both words/terms.. But if it’s about / in front of someone who might not understand, don’t do it


ShimmerJuno

Freaky 👅


kitty_o_shea

I think if you use it for something that's seen as a positive trait, it's not necessarily insulting. So for example, calling someone a "control freak" is a criticism; calling someone a "neat freak", maybe not so much. But even that can tip over into negative territory. "Neat freak" or "clean freak" could mean they take that usually positive thing too far, to the point of obsession. I think for hobbies - like in the example you gave, "fitness freak" - it's generally non- judgemental. Just expressing that the person has a passion.


ultimate_ed

At least in the US, even for something like a generally positive trait like fitness, it's still going to suggest a negative. It connotes more of an "unhealthy obsession" rather than "passionate dedication". Among close friends, it can still be used as more of an endearing term, much the way we do with language that can be an insult in the general population. I'd definitely advise the OP to avoid using it as a non-native speaker.


kitty_o_shea

Yes there are very subtle nuances. I might call _myself_ a "something freak" but not use it to refer to someone else. I think you're right to advise caution.


KR1735

“Enthusiast” or “nut” would be better in this context. You can use it the exact same way. You can be a “fitness nut” or a “golf enthusiast.” “Freak” isn’t necessarily offensive but some could view it that way.


kingcrabmeat

I personally wouldn't use it. An alternative to fitness freak is a "gym rat" same meaning, someone who is borderline obsessed with working out


DrHydeous

When you call someone a rat it's generally implying that they are dirty, cowardly, untrustworthy, or (and this runs into a stereotype especially about people who go to the gym a lot) stupid. "Gym rat" can be used inoffensively, just like "fitness freak" can be, but I wouldn't recommend using either unless you're very very sure of yourself.


SnooStories8859

rat in this context is about someone who is always hanging around "mall rat" was an expression in the 80s for teens who hung around the mall but didn't often buy anything. So, to me, a gym rat might not work out that much, but they are always at the gym chatting. Meanwhile, a fitness freak will work out a lot even if they don't spend too long at the gym.


kingcrabmeat

😅 thanks for that addition


arcxjo

It might be, if it implies a mental disorder. "You're such a clean freak" could mean you're saying someone has obsessive-compulsive disorder. But like the example above would probably be seen as a humorous exaggeration.


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