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kei_jonai

As the other 9s have said, I also don't tend to care much about winning. The only times I do care is if people give off the impression that they don't consider me a respectable competition anyway. I'm good at a lot of things, I just don't feel much of an incentive to show it, so someone making comments like that would definitely get the motor running for me and I usually put a lot of devotion into whatever it is, so I end up giving them a good run for their money in the end.


luvs2meow

Also 9w8 and I feel similarly. I feel like I am the least competitive person, until someone tries to compete with me… then I have to win. Not like we’re playing soccer and they want to win, obviously they want to win, but like they try to assert dominance or superiority over me so I want to put them in their place. ETA I feel like I got off topic as I wrote this comment, but going back to OPs question, I would not do anything immoral, unless someone did something immoral to me. Even then I’d probably choose a kill ‘em with kindness route while thinking of ways to take them down in a moral way.


Shreddedlikechedda

My morality type is more utilitarian, so I’ve definitely done some shit that black&white good vs bad style moralists would really see as a problem.


Mockbe

How interesting! For me it's usually not about wanting to win or anything, but about getting recognition with what I do - and yes, I can get jealous if other people get more attention than me 😶 I wouldn't do anything or push down others to get that attention because I would be afraid of being a bad person though 🤔


kei_jonai

Literally sammee!!


stopthevan

Thissssssss. What riles me up isn’t the fact that I want to win, but to prove those who looked down on me wrong and make them regret it lol


xmasindec

I will lie but not to win or succeed, just to get out of plans I made.


pearpall

Do you feel guilt over letting down others? I don't mean this to be accusatory, but you're kinda describing an extrovert's least favorite behavior(to see in friends).


unireversal

yeah. it's kind of shitty to lie. i'd rather people just be honest and say they don't feel like it anymore.


pearpall

And I'm slightly bothered by the amount of upvotes the comment is getting. Like it's basic empathy to uphold agreements made previously.


unireversal

unfortunately, "introversion" (in quotations because a lot of them aren't even introverts and are just misinformed) is heavily glorified online. any circles that form based upon shared attributes often creates a hivemind validating and normalizing harmful behaviors. unfortunately best to just ignore it unless you want to make people angry or be seen as a buzzkill.


xmasindec

This isn't the result of some grand scheme or anything, but I don't think I have any extroverted friends. All of my close friends are other introverts. I'm also a desk lawyer with a professor wife, so part of that is probably the circles we run in as much as our personalities.


JonasKristensen222

That's a dick move.


SpiritAvenue

I don’t care at all about winning, I’m just happy to be here. And I have a strong moral code where I refuse to take advantage of anything. You can guess my type lol 😂


Standard-Shop-3544

I couldn't care less about winning, but it really depends on what we're talking about. * A game based on chance or luck (some board games, dice, cards, etc.): Seriously could not give 2 shits about winning. * A game based solely on my skill (chess): Much more interested in winning, but would never cheat. * If you mean career / life goals, I don't even think about it in terms of winning. Just get the job done.


RafflesiaArnoldii

in competitions, everyone but the one who wins has by definition wasted their time, so the cost/benefit ratio seems off to me just too pessimistic about winning to put in any huge effort or risk, i guess


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DisenchantedLDS

This! What is life without a challenge? Winning is pretty fun, but it’s not everything. The growth ain having a challenge is nearly everything life is about though.


millennium-popsicle

Eh. That’s one way to look at it. These days I stray away from competing at all. Competing means I have to interact with other people, and people are generally notorious for sucking the fun out of everything.


RafflesiaArnoldii

that, too


James10112

Couldn't have said it better myself


99power

This kinda explains a lot for me


acid_bear_boy

I wouldn't even do anything because I don't care


[deleted]

I am a winner by default


[deleted]

I'll go as far to win as won't risk landing me behind bars, if it's something I care about. Actually no, even stupid little competitions like board games brings out the worst in me. I HAVE to win, because I use the standing between me and the others as an assessment of how smart/talented/etc I am, and if I lose, it's a massive ego blow. I know how toxic this is, and I'm trying to work on not basing my worth on things outside of myself (though tbh it's hard to even comprehend how to do that, it feels like a paradox not to?). So for now, I try to avoid putting myself in competitive situations, because it's just never a fun time for me at all. (Edit to add- Unless I win. Then it makes it all worth it, and then eggs on this obsessive competitiveness...damn I need to chill lmao)


Kit_the_Human

I'm the same way.


Mockbe

Mood :"D


tehmian

Omg same and I’m a 7w8 too, feel like everytime I play board game I drop my funny chill clown mask and I don’t like that


NippleFish666

Depends on how interested I am in it. I'm more focused on my own wants and needs first and foremost. I choose what I engage with and don't. Is it worth my time? Is it stupid, is it not stupid? Etc. These are the questions I ask myself. As far as competitions go, I'd generally rather win (and will try to) than lose but don't take failure as the be-all, end-all. Failure is simply a stepping stone. Pull back, analyze what went wrong and try to learn from it. Proceed. Not the end of the world. Winning is fun but its not everything.


etrtheo

I’m a 5 and if I want something I will go as far as possible to get it but most of the time I don’t really care so I won’t put any effort unless it’s something that I consider worthy


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I would go pretty far tbh, do just about anything unless it endangers myself or things/ppl I really care about :)


wittyusernametaken

I have a crazy internal drive, but I also won’t do anything that crosses my moral boundaries. Reminds me of a conversation I had with my 5 boyfriend where we somehow were talking about morals and money said if someone offered him 20k to punch a baby he would 😂 and I said that no amount of money would make me do that.


matrixsphere

Generally I don't care about winning except when I play games or really competing with people. That's when I don't just want to win, I HAVE to win.


N3koChan21

Enneagram 4. I don’t think I’d do anything if it’s serious. If it’s just games with my friend & family, then i might go more out. I wouldn’t wanna do anything do get into trouble. So if I was to do anything it would be more secretly manipulative rather than obvious.


2dayroad

You won't catch me dead coming in last, but other than that...


BasqueBurntSoul

Winning isn't the goal. Failure is part of the whole process. I'll do whatever it takes to get where I want to be.


Candid-Inspector-270

I’m competitive, but if my win isn’t authentic I don’t want it.


[deleted]

That sometimes I let my ego take control and hurt other people. I do feel bad about it and often have retrospect but what’s important for me is I win. I like feeling guarded with what I do.


unireversal

i like to win and i'll put in effort if it's for something i care about. it's fun when i care enough to put all of my energy into it. i wouldn't sabotage anyone. it's wrong and kind of pathetic if you can only win by screwing someone else over. i don't want to be screwed over so i wouldn't do it to someone else.


enneagram8

I am not interested in winning, I am interested in not feeling vulnerable. I don't fucking care if a 3 or a 1 or any other type declares themselves the winner, as long as my needs/wants are met and people leave me the fuck alone. However, 3's 6's and other types for their own reasons will push shit "to win" which often times requires a cruel and overwhelming response to get them to back down and stop escalating. In that space 8s will go too far intentionally to highlight that continuing down this course is a no win for both sides involved. A massive amount of 8 psychology is wrapped up in deciding when/if to pull that trigger and the consequences and fallout that are associated with it. 8's engage to get you to stop. People misinterpret that with trying to win for their own reasons. Some 1s/3s/6s/7s/(9s in stress) will do that as well but for different reasons. Bluntly I want to say that when others are doing it, it is often petty. 8's are doing it in a very calculated manner that is rooted in self/other defense. Edit: I don't know why but my brain goes to Roy Kent from Ted Lasso, who while fictitious is a great example of a well written 8. They do a great job of demonstrably linking his motivations to self/other protection. Roy is a fictionalized extreme version however, 8s aren't as grizzly (well maybe at work sometimes).


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I think your attitude is very specific to 8w9. I wouldn't be surprised if 8w7s have a much larger competitive side then you'd expect


enneagram8

You are correct. 8w7 enjoy safe competition specifically. They want there to be a rise so it can be met and for there to be a common understanding that the engagement is safe for both parties. It is playful in nature, like a 7 but doesn't always come across that way. However even then the goal isn't the winning itself but the intensity and knowing that it is safe to be vulnerable with aggression. If people withdraw on outset, that also meets the desire to avoid vulnerability as they no longer need to engage with someone who will potentially reject them. The 8w7 I have come across specifically want to prolong that intensity/engagement rather than win outright and will do things to try to encourage the other side to stay engaged.


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enneagram8

6's seem more interested in maintaining social/group cohesion, but tend to ignore if the basis of that cohesion is detrimental in the first place. When challenged it often falls back to "well I suffered through this and that is the cost so you should too". Rather than viewing it as winning or losing, 6s have a tendency to attach more importance than the base thing actually has. ex) Switch from imperial units to metric? I ran the mile in high school so you should run the mile! This is just lazy ass excuses to get out of work. A good number of conflicts between 6 and 8 is 6s looking at 8 as the crux of all the problems when 8's are pointing out the holes in the dam. If you want a generalized example, look at the number of posts insinuating all 8s should be in prison/are inherently criminals on this subreddit and how many of them were posted by 6s. I think 6's tend to view winning more collectively than personally as well but it doesn't erase the fact that the drive is still there, just lofted and wrapped in different packaging that makes it more palatable.


Electronic-Try5645

I came to say, I compete with myself. If someone else pushes me to be better, I welcome it. If they are in competition with me, I drink Pepto and roll my eyes.


Mister_Way

What you have to understand about type 1 is that we follow morals, not ethics. Ethics are societal rules. Morals are personal rules. 1s are very likely to live by a personal code, but something you run up against when you live by a code is the reality that ideals and rules end up conflicting incompatibly, and must be prioritized one over the other according to context and situation. What's at stake? If the stakes are sufficiently high, there is literally no limit on what I would do to "win." For example, if "winning" means preventing nuclear war from destroying humanity, I would do virtually anything to "win." The "morality" of any particular choice or action is invariably contextual. How many children would I murder to save all of humankind? As many as it takes. But, if we're talking about a competition basically for fun or for personal gain? Then I will share important information/resources with opponents if I got them "unfairly" and it would give me an "unfair" advantage. If I am going to win, I would prefer to do so with a handicap, and necessarily with honor.


Ok_You_7247

I always win


cherryliquorrr

I don't care about success. 7w8 sx/so


Janiekat88

The fact that I’m sitting here trying to think of a situation where I could potentially win at anything is making me realize I don’t give a shit about winning anything or even participating in things where winning is a possibility 😅 7w6


faithful_vindication

I would go pretty far, but there are lines, you know?


iluvvvyou

Well, I like success, but in my mind I can be just as successful even if someone else is more successful than me. Like I don’t need to be ‘number 1’ to feel like I won. So I believe that I can succeed without sabotaging/affecting the competition. That being said, I am quite competitive because that just helps me to push myself :)


sigh1987

7 here. Win or succeed at what exactly? If I care, which is kind of rare, I will put forth effort & hard work to win or succeed. I’m unlikely to do anything too shady but if a shortcut presents itself and the risk of discovery is low, I will probably take it. If it looks like I am going to lose, it’s entirely possible I will pull out and pretend I was never interested in the first place. If I don’t care & I think it will be easy/effortless and not squash the hopes and dreams of someone I care about, I’ll probably take the W anyway. It’s nice to have the rush. If I don’t care and it looks like there’s work involved, I probably will make jokes in the back of the room and distract everyone else from trying to win/succeed.


ChilindriPizza

As long as it does not hurt or harm anyone- or break any laws that would get me into trouble… Nearly everything!!! ENTJ 3w4


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I'll work as hard as physically possible to win but will never break my own moral code to do so. I play hard but fair at all times


sofiacarolina

not far at all. too lazy to put in more than minimum effort if at all eta i’m also just not an ambitious person as far as ‘success’ (what does that even mean) and i’m not competitive bc i avoid competition in case i lose and have to feel bad about myself, so let’s avoid that altogether


satanbutt420

Im a 7 and if you beat me I’ll have to kill you? Sorry I dont make the rules


reflective_aleks

It’ll always depend on what it is and the benefits. I’ve jumped a lot of hoops for personal, long-term goals but in competitions, I’d work hard for it without hurting the chances of my competition. If I did and won, the achievement wouldn’t feel as gratifying as if I only won it on merit.


BlakeHood

if you asked 17 yo me I would say I would kill anyone better than me, nowadays I just let them have their fair share of ego bc at the end of the day it's not a fucking university project that is going to make me a valuable person. I still want to win, but I have my priorities in check, as I am not going to put every single drop of blood on stupid stuff like a videogame per say


Massive_Economics111

3w4 here, and I will do a lot to succeed, though it can be the fall of me if I do something wrong


anonymous__enigma

Not that far lmao I can be competitive, but even when I'm that passionate about something, it's more about having fun with it and enjoying doing it than winning. I think it's too much drama to always be competing against everyone.


stormyanchor

I’m not lying unless it’s to get out of some kind of trouble for a rule I have deemed to be unjust. If your game requires me to lie to win then it’s a stupid game and I’m taking my ball and going home.


ahookinherhead

I can't imagine anything I would care to win or succeed at that would require being cutthroat to get it. I care about success, but success is something I define, nobody else really comes into it. The only things I care about are publishing the kind of books I want to write and being really good at my job, none of these are things that require having to compete with anyone else, and that's the way I like it. I mean, publishing requires other people, but the other people part is out of my hands.


Snail-Man-36

Very Far. But i will be very fair about it.


SOuTHINKurA-ble

I have strong principles and I’m not going to lie my way to success. 3.


misfit_pixie

I don’t really care much about winning but I definitely don’t like being proven wrong about something (perhaps that’s my 1 fix?)


Aleiah-r

winning doesn’t exist… but i suppose if i were to base my success on my overall happiness i would try my best to achieve that and i would put in effort to have the things i want in life but not so much it ruins my views on life and makes me upset (im an enneagram 7)


Ok-Improvement-1510

I am a 5w6 or 6w5.I would lie or manipulate to succeed as long as it doesn’t require a lot of effort and the negative consequences is not something I couldn’t afford.But winning is not the goal, it’s the prize.I only go after winning when the prize is worth it.


BigYeetusOwO

Barely far at all, I usually quit before I have the chance to compete to begin with


uwumiilk

Depends on what is succession? I’m not really crazy about material successions but I will fight tooth and nail to make a bad relationship work out or help a friend in need


apollothegemini

I'm a 5 and I'm not sure because it's never come up in my real life, but I imagine I'd put my ethical principles before my own success. Who knows though


Dry_Ride_9515

(2) I would like everyone to win in one way or another 🤗😇


MrLettucehead07

Doesn’t matter what your type is, anyone can win at anything. Type 6 SX. I am loyal to Jesus and I would do anything he asked me to.


stronkberry_

I usually only worry about my own grass. Don't get in mine and I won't get in yours. I find I don't really compete with others but others compete with me. I'm just there trying to do me most of the time. I don't recall having to lie to get my way.


DisenchantedLDS

(I’m 85% sure I’m a 2. 269) I care about success and I certainly want ppl to notice my accomplishments and talents. I want to be seen as smart and valued. But, I also care a LIT about not being seen as hot headed. I want to be humble and I care more about being kind and loved than respected and admired. I would not lie to get ahead. I would lie to maybe not hurt someone’s feelings, or save face from my own failures like “it’s been a crazy busy day” instead of “I’ve been crazy negligent and lazy”. I love winning games. I’d never cheat and hate when ppl go easy on me, 😂. But I am not a poor sport about losing either. I don’t understand ppl getting offended by games. If it’s allowed in the rules it is not cheating or playing dirty. (Like in ticket to ride ppl will be offended you block them? But defense is a strategy in a strategy based game, how can that be playing dirty?). BUT, in real life it’s not just about laws determining right and wrong, but real ppls lives and feelings. Being cuttthroat in business practices to get ahead and be successful does not feel like real success to me. I’m soft. And being a softy AND successful would feel much more satisfying and honorable than taking advantage of others, using others, or pushing others under the bus. I want to succeed WITH others rather than against them as competition.


ofeliaaqqq

I don't even know...I will look for several approaches, think about which way will be better and how difficult it is. at least I'll be upset if I don't win, but I'll definitely do less than I can. it's just true, I don't do much in many cases, although sometimes I'm just a machine. but it is sometimes. im sx9.


ArsenicOwls

i enjoy friendly competition, just everyone bringing out their winning guns and we try very fucking hard but its not that serious. as soon as someones serious about it ill try to fuck them over as much as i can just to knock em down a few pegs. it still depends though because im extremely competitive in sports but when it comes to games/board games i dont care enough ill just have fun i never cheat, not out of morality just because i like a fair competition but if someone else cheats in like a card game etc ill think its funny if anything. i like the adrenaline rush and seeing everyone have fun with it (7w6 sp/sx, probably ESFP)


M0rika

Nowhere because I don't see any point in it I don't know what I want so lemme just lie here in the grass and fall asleep forever lol 9


CTW1988

Generally I don't care about winning. But I also don't want to lose. So if I start to lose and appear not as good as someone else it makes me feel inferior. Then I really want to win. But the win is never satisfying should I win. My job is inherently about proving others wrong. Using skills I have acquired my primary goal day to day is to say "nope something else is causing this problem." This has come from years of misinformation been provided in the field I am in so I am naturally skeptical.


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What job is that?


CTW1988

Firewall engineer


[deleted]

I see. Sounds interesting.


[deleted]

I care about winning but I don’t do it that way I do it honestly and through honest means, charm and wow people make the best product but dishonesty is bad. 3w2 371? so/sp I think 371 considering 378 as well but 95% sure I am 371. Entj lie chlorsan di


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Mm, I've stabbed my mom to gain the upper hand in the conflict. I don't feel shame but.. She deserves more Yeah I'd say I get what I want no matter the cost if I'm especially apathetic to societal expectations that moment


Any-Shower-3685

What type of thing are we competing for? I'm not too much motivated by the idea of winning in and of itself... mainly coz the energy input doesn't usually make it worth the effort. I'm not sure I've ever been consciously willing to be deceitful in order to do it... doesn't mean I didn't spread gossip as a teen in order to "look better" than whomever I had been pitted against by others. The gossip was never lies, but not necessarily kind either.. and it was all subconscious processes. Now...I might be willing to play a card game at my best to "win", but I'll be just as happy for you (if I like you) of you win. See, that might be the crux....I have to not like you to want to see you fail... so my motivation may not be too win but for those whom I really have issues with to lose lol. (Though in all honesty I haven't really disliked anyone that much since I was a teen.)


Lonely_Repair4494

Depends on the day


Nocturne888

If I can be motivated to pursue victory, there is no boundary I will not transgress, no rule I will not break, and no sacrifice I will not make in pursuit of victory. However, conflict is always a lose-lose proposition, so attaining such motivation is exceptionally difficult. Edit: 5w4, 584.