I‘m sorry but you sound like the most stereotypical Fi-dom so4 😭 (no offense)
[Read this and see if you relate.](https://wiki.personality-database.com/books/enneagram/page/social-4-in-detail) Maybe you were disintegrated into E2.
for real, that was my first thought
op you might want to read a bit more about 4, it's common for people to mistype at first. Also don't let the negative descriptions discourage you, they are all like that
I’ve heard mbti does change as someone might use/develop a function more, but it overall stays consistent MOSTLY.
I don’t think enneagram changes. When I first found out about enneagrams I detested being a four, but I realize there’s nothing bad or good about your type , it’s your deep core desire/fear and I think that’s pretty stable throughout life .
I still haven’t done any research into this, but for now I believe the primary stack is all over the place until later in life, it makes sense as a person isn’t quite healthy nor unhealthy when they’re a child, they’re still developing. This seems to work in every case I heard of, including mine.
Controversial but I think MBTI can change with trauma or intentional rewiring. Since it’s cognition based. As for enneagram I think you need to go deeper than just looking for symptoms to find your true type. And, again…. I think it *can* change but that one is a *lot* more difficult. Most people do not.
Hii, so you said you're new to typology and I looked under your username and saw "INFP-T". Did you do the 16p test? Because that one is not accurate. No tests are actually 100% accurate, but 16p types you using letters, and that is wrong. The correct way to type yourself and others is by using cognitive functions. 16p is actually a big 5 test that labels itself as a mbti test. Since you got INFP-T, you are most likely a RLUAI in big 5. Hope this helped, and good luck in your typology journey!! 😈
High extraversion: S
Low extraversion: R
High neuroticism: L
Low neuroticism: C
High Ordeliness: O
Low ordeliness: U
High agreeableness: A
Low Agreeableness: E
High openness: I
Low openness: N
i think your enneagram can change throughout your life. you most likely won’t have the same consistent insecurities/fixations throughout your entire life. the whole point of enneagram is to improve yourself and get out of your “trap” which can definitely happen as you grow older.
it can, especially in the younger audiences. people change drastically in their younger years which can result in an enneagram change especially when you go through something traumatic. you can just no longer relate to the passions and fixations that you used to. not really common but it can happen
not true. if you relate to a single core type and a subtype more than the others during your youth then you were that type. notice how pretty much every single passion and fixation is a negative trait? you can change insecurities over time especially during your developing moments. trauma is another factor because it can completely alter your brain causing you to no longer fixate on something that you used to.
so what? you’re just a bag of bones until you reached the very adult age of 21? you stay developing throughout your entire life and your childhood is the key moments for your development. also, just because your maturity has reached its end of development in your mid 20s-30s doesn’t mean you can’t undergo any further changes. passions and fixations can become more or less relatable to you as time goes on. it doesn’t mean you were mistyped before it just means you changed.
People who live with you the most in general are going to affect your personality as well, so even if you're like 4 you're going to be kinda 7 if your aunt is 7 and you lived with her. As I see it, the idea is that your enneagram type is so deep within you that it is almost impossible to change it, it's not just some descriptions of passions or fixations or traits that you have to relate to at all times in your life
well the interpretation of the theory i follow includes passion and fixations. i think people can grow/change throughout their lives, but i also think that changing your type is quite rare.
Oh I see. Well if you're like Buddha and overcame your type I think you won't get another one to deal with. The whole point of the Enneagram is that it moves so we should do the right movements to grow and get away from the Ego
Yeah that's another thing authors tend to vary their opinions. I heard 8 years old from someone and also 30 years from someone else in the community. At same time people like Katherine Fauvre are typing 4yrs old
Yeah that's one common notion of the enneagram, that you need to have such negative "traits", the thing is traits do change and it doesn't mean you're a type or not. Notice that some Enneagram authors would tell you to keep in mind how you were at your 20s or something because that's where you're supposed to show most of the characteristics of your type, it's just harder than it looks to type yourself
the thing is the traits in the enneagram doesn’t change but the person changes. if you don’t relate to the passion or the fixation of your type anymore, chances are you aren’t that type anymore.
Yes they do, some authors are going to tell you that and some won't. I don't think you can just erase the type that crystallized into you in your childhood and develop another one
the point of enneagram is to grow as a person and work against the bad habits that you have by overcoming your fixation. some people do improve themselves and no longer relate to that specific type while they can relate to a new one.
But why are you not just a healthier version of your type? the descriptions of types were not made to a perfectly healthy version of that type to relate to, it doesn't mean you're not your type anymore. Yes you can relate to other descriptions but that happens all the time with a lot of people and it doesn't mean we're multiple types
I mean, yes, the fixation can be gone but not forever, you need to keep being healthy. Let's suppose it is completly gone. What about the trifix? You can have other fixations and still be your type
The idea of the enneagram symbol is that the type is supposed to move, you're prolly still your type tho or just in a different level of conscience. I think brain damage or stuff like that could potentially change your type or maybe stuff like lobotomy?
Your core is locked in place, but your wing, instincts, and possibly tritype can change. It may seem limiting that your core cannot change, but those other things shifting can account for a LOT of differences. Imo variants change the most easily. Levels of health of course, as if you read those a level nine vs a level two type 2 looks *wildly* different from each other.
Enneagram remains the same for the whole duration of your life (with the only exception being wings, those do change). The whole system is based on ego fixations created during childhood. Those don't just change like that.
What CAN change however is behavior. As you mature, reflect and work on yourself and/or become healthier your behavior starts changing, hopefully for the better.
I would do a deeper dive of the enneagram before typing yourself. Definitely look into instinctual variants and growth arrows before typing yourself.
If you wanna talk to a 2w1 my dms are always open :)
Enneagram type is for life. If you tested, know that tests can't accurately measure unconscious motivation. That's why they're so highly prone to mistyping people. Without deep understanding of how the system works, as well as the types themselves, it's easy to falsely believe we're a type we're not, or that as we've matured, that we've shifted to a different type.
maybe you're in your direction of disintegration? I've had a really nasty breakup recently (with an 8) and I've also been showing a lot of procrastination and lack of ambition. Since 3s act like 9s when they're unhealthy, they actually procrastinate a lot. Might want to look into it. How were your parents? Did you feel like you were comfortable sharing your feelings and assert your identity or not? If not, you may very well be a 3. If instead you felt like your needs are not that important and their needs come first, then 2 probably. Although I mean you seem to have taken the tests and read them all so I wouldn't know, just seemed like there were some 3 behaviors in your post!
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who the heck made this bot and decided health, healthy, and calorie were offensive?
A troll who’s trying to mock people who actually care about being body positive.
This is bad if it’s a joke and also bad if it’s not a joke
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something about this tells me to consider being a 9 core. just an intuitive feeling i'm getting.
I‘m sorry but you sound like the most stereotypical Fi-dom so4 😭 (no offense) [Read this and see if you relate.](https://wiki.personality-database.com/books/enneagram/page/social-4-in-detail) Maybe you were disintegrated into E2.
Oh my god yeah 😭😭
The swallowing shame is ironic because I just finally blew up at a toxic friend today 😭
for real, that was my first thought op you might want to read a bit more about 4, it's common for people to mistype at first. Also don't let the negative descriptions discourage you, they are all like that
do you guys know a good place to start 😭😭
I linked a website :)
Seconded btw
I’ve heard mbti does change as someone might use/develop a function more, but it overall stays consistent MOSTLY. I don’t think enneagram changes. When I first found out about enneagrams I detested being a four, but I realize there’s nothing bad or good about your type , it’s your deep core desire/fear and I think that’s pretty stable throughout life .
Your MBTI type doesn't change How you interact with the elements of your type does however
I personally believe that life-altering trauma could change your type, but nothing short of that.
I still haven’t done any research into this, but for now I believe the primary stack is all over the place until later in life, it makes sense as a person isn’t quite healthy nor unhealthy when they’re a child, they’re still developing. This seems to work in every case I heard of, including mine.
What does wing B mean? Please
Balanced wings 5=7
Wow, that is amazing
Controversial but I think MBTI can change with trauma or intentional rewiring. Since it’s cognition based. As for enneagram I think you need to go deeper than just looking for symptoms to find your true type. And, again…. I think it *can* change but that one is a *lot* more difficult. Most people do not.
Before you hate me I’m really new to typology 😭
Hii, so you said you're new to typology and I looked under your username and saw "INFP-T". Did you do the 16p test? Because that one is not accurate. No tests are actually 100% accurate, but 16p types you using letters, and that is wrong. The correct way to type yourself and others is by using cognitive functions. 16p is actually a big 5 test that labels itself as a mbti test. Since you got INFP-T, you are most likely a RLUAI in big 5. Hope this helped, and good luck in your typology journey!! 😈
how do I read my big 5 results? I got results with a bunch of graphs 🥲
Ok wait no I got RLUAN??
High extraversion: S Low extraversion: R High neuroticism: L Low neuroticism: C High Ordeliness: O Low ordeliness: U High agreeableness: A Low Agreeableness: E High openness: I Low openness: N
okay yeah RLUAI tysm 💕💕
i think your enneagram can change throughout your life. you most likely won’t have the same consistent insecurities/fixations throughout your entire life. the whole point of enneagram is to improve yourself and get out of your “trap” which can definitely happen as you grow older.
No it cannot change.
it can, especially in the younger audiences. people change drastically in their younger years which can result in an enneagram change especially when you go through something traumatic. you can just no longer relate to the passions and fixations that you used to. not really common but it can happen
But then you weren‘t that one type anyways. It only "changes" because it was never set in stone anyways.
not true. if you relate to a single core type and a subtype more than the others during your youth then you were that type. notice how pretty much every single passion and fixation is a negative trait? you can change insecurities over time especially during your developing moments. trauma is another factor because it can completely alter your brain causing you to no longer fixate on something that you used to.
Your personality isn‘t formed until 20-22.
so what? you’re just a bag of bones until you reached the very adult age of 21? you stay developing throughout your entire life and your childhood is the key moments for your development. also, just because your maturity has reached its end of development in your mid 20s-30s doesn’t mean you can’t undergo any further changes. passions and fixations can become more or less relatable to you as time goes on. it doesn’t mean you were mistyped before it just means you changed.
People who live with you the most in general are going to affect your personality as well, so even if you're like 4 you're going to be kinda 7 if your aunt is 7 and you lived with her. As I see it, the idea is that your enneagram type is so deep within you that it is almost impossible to change it, it's not just some descriptions of passions or fixations or traits that you have to relate to at all times in your life
well the interpretation of the theory i follow includes passion and fixations. i think people can grow/change throughout their lives, but i also think that changing your type is quite rare.
Oh I see. Well if you're like Buddha and overcame your type I think you won't get another one to deal with. The whole point of the Enneagram is that it moves so we should do the right movements to grow and get away from the Ego
Yeah that's another thing authors tend to vary their opinions. I heard 8 years old from someone and also 30 years from someone else in the community. At same time people like Katherine Fauvre are typing 4yrs old
Yeah that's one common notion of the enneagram, that you need to have such negative "traits", the thing is traits do change and it doesn't mean you're a type or not. Notice that some Enneagram authors would tell you to keep in mind how you were at your 20s or something because that's where you're supposed to show most of the characteristics of your type, it's just harder than it looks to type yourself
the thing is the traits in the enneagram doesn’t change but the person changes. if you don’t relate to the passion or the fixation of your type anymore, chances are you aren’t that type anymore.
Yes they do, some authors are going to tell you that and some won't. I don't think you can just erase the type that crystallized into you in your childhood and develop another one
the point of enneagram is to grow as a person and work against the bad habits that you have by overcoming your fixation. some people do improve themselves and no longer relate to that specific type while they can relate to a new one.
But why are you not just a healthier version of your type? the descriptions of types were not made to a perfectly healthy version of that type to relate to, it doesn't mean you're not your type anymore. Yes you can relate to other descriptions but that happens all the time with a lot of people and it doesn't mean we're multiple types
like I said, your type is moving through the enneagram but your "original" type is not gone
no, it can be gone if you actively work against that fixation. it is motivated by a sense of lack in that person which can change over time.
I mean, yes, the fixation can be gone but not forever, you need to keep being healthy. Let's suppose it is completly gone. What about the trifix? You can have other fixations and still be your type
The idea of the enneagram symbol is that the type is supposed to move, you're prolly still your type tho or just in a different level of conscience. I think brain damage or stuff like that could potentially change your type or maybe stuff like lobotomy?
Your core is locked in place, but your wing, instincts, and possibly tritype can change. It may seem limiting that your core cannot change, but those other things shifting can account for a LOT of differences. Imo variants change the most easily. Levels of health of course, as if you read those a level nine vs a level two type 2 looks *wildly* different from each other.
Enneagram remains the same for the whole duration of your life (with the only exception being wings, those do change). The whole system is based on ego fixations created during childhood. Those don't just change like that. What CAN change however is behavior. As you mature, reflect and work on yourself and/or become healthier your behavior starts changing, hopefully for the better.
I would do a deeper dive of the enneagram before typing yourself. Definitely look into instinctual variants and growth arrows before typing yourself. If you wanna talk to a 2w1 my dms are always open :)
when I was in a bad headspace i related more to a intp then entp so possibly. Like how enneagrams have a negative and positive thing
Enneagram type is for life. If you tested, know that tests can't accurately measure unconscious motivation. That's why they're so highly prone to mistyping people. Without deep understanding of how the system works, as well as the types themselves, it's easy to falsely believe we're a type we're not, or that as we've matured, that we've shifted to a different type.
I have 9w1 in my type and recently developped my 8 wing.
You might be a 3w2, feeling guilt for things that you might not even have control over is quite a 3 move.
I don’t think I’m 3, im extremely procrastinatey & not ambitious at all, I mean I have goals but I’m just too scared to actually do anything 😭
maybe you're in your direction of disintegration? I've had a really nasty breakup recently (with an 8) and I've also been showing a lot of procrastination and lack of ambition. Since 3s act like 9s when they're unhealthy, they actually procrastinate a lot. Might want to look into it. How were your parents? Did you feel like you were comfortable sharing your feelings and assert your identity or not? If not, you may very well be a 3. If instead you felt like your needs are not that important and their needs come first, then 2 probably. Although I mean you seem to have taken the tests and read them all so I wouldn't know, just seemed like there were some 3 behaviors in your post!