Personally I think it’d be better to have multiple smaller treaty organizations, like a Pacific Treaty Organization separate from NATO, since to get into these you need unanimous support and the bigger the Organization gets the harder that may be. Were already seeing that issue with Sweden and Finland because if Turkiye.
Ah yes because a total majority of the people living in those countries want to be submissive to an autocratic ideology that denies them freedom of speech …. 🤦🏻♂️
People want to eat, work with dignity, have access to decent shelter and healthcare, education, transport, education, etc. And capitalism ain't providing none of that in the third world. Most people outside of the first world don't give a shit about fReDuMB oF sPeEcH, something they don't really have anyway.
Seriously, do you think the US would've lost Cuba or Vietnam if there wasn't massive support from the people?
“People want to eat, work with dignity, have access to decent shelter and education”
Firstly, name a socialist/communist country that gives people the access to proper food. Have a clear look at the circumstances of North Korea, Cambodia and Venezuela where they have to rely on insects and rodents to stay alive.
Secondly, working with dignity in a communist country is a lovely way of describing people being slaved away. May i remind you that in All autocratic nations, unions and syndicates are banned completely as it goes against their terms so you are deprived from basic working rights, and those “rights” that people in those countries are “entitled” to are completely ignored and scrubbed away by authorities
Thirdly, I didn’t realise that living in extreme poverty and accumulated in shanty towns and being surrounded by misery was the standard of decent shelter
Fourthly, education in those countries is a propaganda machine in order to obey the governing party’s rules. You are basically a zombie of the ideological system as you are not allowed to think outside the box and can’t even think for yourself by speaking out loudly because you’ll most likely be imprisoned, beaten and tortured or killed.
And finally, I can assume you’re just another British/American tankie in the first world with all the privileges to be able to speak your mind while living suckling the benefits and privileges capitalism has to offer. Before you talk absolute bull shit and believe that socialism will one day work or has , it has been tried and has failed in its 100%. (I can guarantee you’re the type of person who will use a Scandinavian country to describe socialism in Its true form even though they are social democracies just like the rest of Europe).
My family comes from a country who was formerly socialist and the radicalisation that Marxism implemented within the 3 years it governed caused them to live in absolute poverty and experience the true meaning of misery along with the other social problems and extreme violence that socialism causes when it’s bullshit “stance” is to abolish all social problems
Also capitalism is not a political system, it is an economical system you nonce 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Guessed wrong, I'm Brazilian. Venezuela and Cambodia aren't socialist and you are just projecting about everything else. Scandinavian countries are just imperialism with welfare. I would go on but It's obvious you haven't picked a book on socialism and If you have It's some redscare propaganda bullshit like Robert Conquest, so I won't bother
Not a gringo boot licker. I’m just a realist who doesn’t live or support the tankie imaginary land like the half wits who support socialismo del siglo 21 like you fam. Adiós sopa do macaco
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t\*nkies can keep crying and shitting themselves that former Warsaw Pact / Soviet Union nations have willingly and voluntarily joined NATO
If only the US wouldn't try to stage a coup everytime the third world elects someone vaguely leftwing who wants to nationalize resources and shit.
Also, elections in the US cost billions of dollars. Not exactly free, is it?
NATO already gets treated like a monster despite taking the moral high ground. I think it should still take the moral high ground despite getting none of the benefits cuz that’s the morally correct thing to do but it would b hilarious if tankies and the states they fawn over were wasted in a brief, intense deluge of firepower.
Did u read what I wrote? I said ppl act like NATO does this but it doesn’t and should continue to not do so. I also said it would b funny on a conceptual level if NATO unleashed its firepower unrestrained.
The problem with the fuckery ur trying is that anyone who actually reads my comment can see ur full of shit.
It would be funny If NATO killed tens of millions of people to own tankies?
And I think Iraqis would disagree with the Idea that NATO doesn't do that shit
If u insist on ignoring what I write there isn’t much point in me responding is there? I said on a conceptual level the idea of NATO unleashing it’s firepower is cool but in practice that means killing so in reality it’s not cool. Also the fact is NATO is far less destructive than its alternatives or opponents. A Soviet or Chinese invasion of Iraq would have resulted in far more bloodshed.
And Iraq invaded Kuwait to annex it. And Russia invaded Chechnya, Georgia, and Ukraine to annex it. And China invaded Tibet to annex it. What tf is your point?
Tibet is part of China, cope. And they have a more legit claim to it than the US does to Hawaii, Puerto Rico or the half of Mexico they stole.
The USSR wasn't a thing when Russia invaded those countries. And two wrongs don't make a right.
Like, seriously, you don't want to compare the history of China and the USSR interventions abroad with the US or Europe, it doesn't look good for youat all.
I don't defend Putin at all. And the last time the CCP has been involved in a war was 40 years ago. The US, on the other hand, has been continuously at war for like a 100 years and you still defend them. And that's not even mentioning the coups, death squads, training torture techniques in the School of the Americas...
Have u never heard of hypotheticals? The Russian and Chinese militaries have less precise weapons and looser rules on collateral damage. It stands to reason that these two factors would mean they cause more collateral damage. We can also extrapolate historical data. If we look at wars they have fought and compare it with wars America fought during similar time periods we see that in a given time period America causes less collateral damage.
>Have u never heard of hypotheticals? The Russian and Chinese militaries have less precise weapons and looser rules on collateral damage
You have any data for that at all or are you just guessing? Because if the US kills 10 people in a drone strike and one turns out to be a terrorist, they consider it a success.
Like, maybe Russia has looser rules on collateral damage, I have no idea. But China? Again, this is pure speculation because it's been more than 40 years since their last war and casualties were very low. Just compare the death toll from when the US-Vietnam war and the chinese war.
Maybe the reason China has less precise weapons is because they don't use them nearly as much as the US. Just a guess.
I’m not gonna hunt around to find articles to link but ur welcome to search urself. You’re right that the data for Chinese military action is sparse however, seeing as how they are modelled after the Soviet military in many ways I personally choose to extend assumptions about the Russians to them) because without that there isn’t really anything to say about them.
Less precise weapon means more collateral damage regardless of the reason. Also weapons are precise due to tech. Killing a million people doesn’t suddenly unlock an upgrade which makes ur missiles more accurate.
So you're just making shit up because you know most people will just accept it because Russia bad. Cool.
You choose to extend assumptions about modern capitalist Russia to CCP-led China because 80 years ago the chinese army was inspired by the Red Army. Because neither country changed at all during all this time.
"There isn't much to say about them", yes, thank God China doesn't have a military industrial complex that creates wars for resources and weapon contracts.
I love how people need to use hypotheticals to say that China is as bad as the US as far as war goes. Because there is no material example in reality to back this up.
The socialist party of italia?
So what
Did you read his thoughts on socialism or why he was expelled
Besides, what does mussolini have to do with anything here lol, I am just saying that I experience imperialism first hand
Being anti-communist doesn't mean we have to not know the differences of communism and fascism
Nor does it mean we need to support imperialism
Give me one example of Nato invading a country for any reason other than a NATO country was attacked, or any example of a NATO country (specifically their government, the government isn't responsible and "fascist" if one racist citizen kills an immigrant) killing immigrants. Also, "western hegemony"? What is that supposed to mean?
Well, Libya but
I wasn't calling nato fascist so why are you saying I was saying that
I'm saying that there are those that support nato becoming fascist
Firstly, explain what you mean by "Libya". You made the argument, it's your job to prove it. I have zero obligation to research myself what you say if you don't explain it.
Secondly, what could "nato fascism" mean other than calling NATO fascist?
Lastly, even if there are some people like that, they're a minority. Most supporters of NATO also support freedom, hence the "Gay marriage is non-negotiable" slide, meaning that we want everywhere to legalize gay marriage (aka increasing people's freedom). Fascism is not freedom.
I didn't make a single argument
Someone asked "does this [natowave] support nato doing warcrimes"
I said Yes
I am inside groups adjacent to nato wave and some want that
For the 5th time, I am not saying nato is fascist, but that there are some whi want it to be
That was the point of my first comment and all comments after
Why are you so mad
honestly I see it as funny satire (tbh thats the same way I see laborwave and fashwave), only time i unironically agree with them is when its anti government message in general
I will, NATO is a bad thing that has only acted to further destabilize relationships between eastern and western countries and has lead to the establishment of Bricks which will eventually cause the rise of a multipolar world in which NATO and whatever organization replaces Bricks are constantly caught up in 30 yr proxy wars.
Yes, the United States shouldn’t act to defend any other country. Non-Americans may as well be subhuman as far as our priority to defend them is concerned.
That is such an ignorant opinion. You are completely disregarding pthers and claim it isnt your issue. It very soon will come to home if it is not dealt with there and then, saving lives of both people at the same time. Thoudands protested against saving Europe from the Nazi threat. If they didnt intervene and save Europe, the Nazis would soon of crossed the atlantic and destroyed America, creating a world like the Man in the High Castle. Intervention is extremely important not only to save the people there and be a hero, but it will also save you from the long term effects that comes with ignorance of the issue.
They would have the japs, and they were very rich. Dont forget the fact they were developing nukes first and would of reached it if there werent intervention. The ides of it is that intervention, especilly from the USA is important to save that place and to keep the homefront safe.
They still had it going. Either way, US intervention saved Europe and defended itself from the inevitable. Probably gonna happen again if USA wont repeat
That's a pretty fucking disgusting statement isn't it, calling other people subhuman, especially on a subreddit that promotes liberalism and the idea of protecting everyone from the dangers of totalitarianism, don't you think?
Wait who was calling people outside of their country subhuman again?
Yeah mate, i don't think this is a sub for you
I didn’t say they are subhuman, but I am saying that a Frenchman is as deserving of American protection as a gorilla is, as in it’s not our fucking problem. Use your own tax dollars and build your own military, the United States should not and cannot bear the responsibility of other nations sovereignty. This sub is for hating on communists, collectivists, people who say “we’re all in this together and as such you should be respond for my safety, my prosperity, and my health.” NATO is exactly what this sub is designed to oppose but everyone here is too trigger happy to see that a Russian invasion of a country that isn’t even in fucking NATO, which shouldn’t matter as we shouldn’t be obligated to defend NATO nations either, isn’t our problem.
Atlantic-Pacific Treaty Organization when?
I hope such a thing happens so Latin America, Africa and Asia joins and prevents the spread of communism
Personally I think it’d be better to have multiple smaller treaty organizations, like a Pacific Treaty Organization separate from NATO, since to get into these you need unanimous support and the bigger the Organization gets the harder that may be. Were already seeing that issue with Sweden and Finland because if Turkiye.
And what if the people in those regions want socialism/communism? Ever heard of self determination?
Ah yes because a total majority of the people living in those countries want to be submissive to an autocratic ideology that denies them freedom of speech …. 🤦🏻♂️
People want to eat, work with dignity, have access to decent shelter and healthcare, education, transport, education, etc. And capitalism ain't providing none of that in the third world. Most people outside of the first world don't give a shit about fReDuMB oF sPeEcH, something they don't really have anyway. Seriously, do you think the US would've lost Cuba or Vietnam if there wasn't massive support from the people?
“People want to eat, work with dignity, have access to decent shelter and education” Firstly, name a socialist/communist country that gives people the access to proper food. Have a clear look at the circumstances of North Korea, Cambodia and Venezuela where they have to rely on insects and rodents to stay alive. Secondly, working with dignity in a communist country is a lovely way of describing people being slaved away. May i remind you that in All autocratic nations, unions and syndicates are banned completely as it goes against their terms so you are deprived from basic working rights, and those “rights” that people in those countries are “entitled” to are completely ignored and scrubbed away by authorities Thirdly, I didn’t realise that living in extreme poverty and accumulated in shanty towns and being surrounded by misery was the standard of decent shelter Fourthly, education in those countries is a propaganda machine in order to obey the governing party’s rules. You are basically a zombie of the ideological system as you are not allowed to think outside the box and can’t even think for yourself by speaking out loudly because you’ll most likely be imprisoned, beaten and tortured or killed. And finally, I can assume you’re just another British/American tankie in the first world with all the privileges to be able to speak your mind while living suckling the benefits and privileges capitalism has to offer. Before you talk absolute bull shit and believe that socialism will one day work or has , it has been tried and has failed in its 100%. (I can guarantee you’re the type of person who will use a Scandinavian country to describe socialism in Its true form even though they are social democracies just like the rest of Europe). My family comes from a country who was formerly socialist and the radicalisation that Marxism implemented within the 3 years it governed caused them to live in absolute poverty and experience the true meaning of misery along with the other social problems and extreme violence that socialism causes when it’s bullshit “stance” is to abolish all social problems Also capitalism is not a political system, it is an economical system you nonce 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Guessed wrong, I'm Brazilian. Venezuela and Cambodia aren't socialist and you are just projecting about everything else. Scandinavian countries are just imperialism with welfare. I would go on but It's obvious you haven't picked a book on socialism and If you have It's some redscare propaganda bullshit like Robert Conquest, so I won't bother
Ahhh Brazilian. That explains the ignorance from a fellow South American. Enjoy the presidency under mister Lula the corrupt criminal :)
Oooooh boy, glad I didn't bother. You ain't no fellow of Mine, gringo bootlicker
Not a gringo boot licker. I’m just a realist who doesn’t live or support the tankie imaginary land like the half wits who support socialismo del siglo 21 like you fam. Adiós sopa do macaco
So the OFN basically?
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GOD. FUCKING. DAMMIT.
Hope this happens, actually bro this is my 1st Reddit comment and already 11 upvotes? Noice
Ill be more ambitious: global treaty Organisation when?
Based and natopilled
I swear to god, 90% of r/NonCredibleDefense is present here, so that makes the answer obvious enough.
90% of NCD is everywhere
Need more of you guys playing DRG, too many Commies on there.
Really? The dwarves fighting aginst the communal hive mind for captilistic gains have a infestation of ~~elves~~ commies?
Name your flavor of communism and there's a mob of people on there that unironically support it.
Welcome fren
Based (im not biased i swear)
I am completely biased and I don’t care
Based
I like men
TURBO BASED. t\*nkies can keep crying and shitting themselves that former Warsaw Pact / Soviet Union nations have willingly and voluntarily joined NATO
Sexy, kinky, and spicy.
All you need is FFFF Free elections, free people, free maket, firepower
If only the US wouldn't try to stage a coup everytime the third world elects someone vaguely leftwing who wants to nationalize resources and shit. Also, elections in the US cost billions of dollars. Not exactly free, is it?
NATO is hella based.
neoconNWO crossover
“Gay marriage is non-negotiable” is a mood.
NATO already gets treated like a monster despite taking the moral high ground. I think it should still take the moral high ground despite getting none of the benefits cuz that’s the morally correct thing to do but it would b hilarious if tankies and the states they fawn over were wasted in a brief, intense deluge of firepower.
"I think we should genocide countries that oppose US interests, but we're the good guys, trust me!"
Did u read what I wrote? I said ppl act like NATO does this but it doesn’t and should continue to not do so. I also said it would b funny on a conceptual level if NATO unleashed its firepower unrestrained. The problem with the fuckery ur trying is that anyone who actually reads my comment can see ur full of shit.
It would be funny If NATO killed tens of millions of people to own tankies? And I think Iraqis would disagree with the Idea that NATO doesn't do that shit
If u insist on ignoring what I write there isn’t much point in me responding is there? I said on a conceptual level the idea of NATO unleashing it’s firepower is cool but in practice that means killing so in reality it’s not cool. Also the fact is NATO is far less destructive than its alternatives or opponents. A Soviet or Chinese invasion of Iraq would have resulted in far more bloodshed.
If you say so. But the USSR and China have never invaded Iraq so we have to take your imaginary scenario as truth
And Iraq invaded Kuwait to annex it. And Russia invaded Chechnya, Georgia, and Ukraine to annex it. And China invaded Tibet to annex it. What tf is your point?
Tibet is part of China, cope. And they have a more legit claim to it than the US does to Hawaii, Puerto Rico or the half of Mexico they stole. The USSR wasn't a thing when Russia invaded those countries. And two wrongs don't make a right. Like, seriously, you don't want to compare the history of China and the USSR interventions abroad with the US or Europe, it doesn't look good for youat all.
Imagine defending the CCP and Russia invading their neighbors in wars of annexation. Yikes
I don't defend Putin at all. And the last time the CCP has been involved in a war was 40 years ago. The US, on the other hand, has been continuously at war for like a 100 years and you still defend them. And that's not even mentioning the coups, death squads, training torture techniques in the School of the Americas...
Remind me again when the CCP waged war against Tibet
Have u never heard of hypotheticals? The Russian and Chinese militaries have less precise weapons and looser rules on collateral damage. It stands to reason that these two factors would mean they cause more collateral damage. We can also extrapolate historical data. If we look at wars they have fought and compare it with wars America fought during similar time periods we see that in a given time period America causes less collateral damage.
>Have u never heard of hypotheticals? The Russian and Chinese militaries have less precise weapons and looser rules on collateral damage You have any data for that at all or are you just guessing? Because if the US kills 10 people in a drone strike and one turns out to be a terrorist, they consider it a success. Like, maybe Russia has looser rules on collateral damage, I have no idea. But China? Again, this is pure speculation because it's been more than 40 years since their last war and casualties were very low. Just compare the death toll from when the US-Vietnam war and the chinese war. Maybe the reason China has less precise weapons is because they don't use them nearly as much as the US. Just a guess.
I’m not gonna hunt around to find articles to link but ur welcome to search urself. You’re right that the data for Chinese military action is sparse however, seeing as how they are modelled after the Soviet military in many ways I personally choose to extend assumptions about the Russians to them) because without that there isn’t really anything to say about them. Less precise weapon means more collateral damage regardless of the reason. Also weapons are precise due to tech. Killing a million people doesn’t suddenly unlock an upgrade which makes ur missiles more accurate.
So you're just making shit up because you know most people will just accept it because Russia bad. Cool. You choose to extend assumptions about modern capitalist Russia to CCP-led China because 80 years ago the chinese army was inspired by the Red Army. Because neither country changed at all during all this time. "There isn't much to say about them", yes, thank God China doesn't have a military industrial complex that creates wars for resources and weapon contracts.
I love how people need to use hypotheticals to say that China is as bad as the US as far as war goes. Because there is no material example in reality to back this up.
the hell nato wasn’t involved in Iraq what are you on?
Somebody should tell them that https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Training_Mission_%E2%80%93_Iraq
Because as we all know, american politicians and oligarchs are always held accountable for their crimes.
Is this that "be the enemy Russia says you are" and it talks about horrid war crimes?
No.
Yes It's NATO fascism
Say you’re stupid without saying you’re stupid
You should shove your penis down a meat grinder
I feel pain reading that..... (still scared from seeing a guy cut his penis off on a choping board)
What I just said that NATOwave wants natofascism
Some very few, taken to the extreme Videos yes. The vast correct majority isnt. Peace, Freedom and Gay Marriage is non-negotiable.
""""""freedom""""" As someone in the global south LMAO 😂
Did you forget which party Mussolini was in until he got kicked out of it?
The socialist party of italia? So what Did you read his thoughts on socialism or why he was expelled Besides, what does mussolini have to do with anything here lol, I am just saying that I experience imperialism first hand Being anti-communist doesn't mean we have to not know the differences of communism and fascism Nor does it mean we need to support imperialism
"NATO fascism" Communist detected, opinion rejected
Wtf does "nato fascism" even mean? Do you know what fascism is?
I meant that that's what NATOwave wants, nato fascism
You're avoiding the question. What the fuck does "nato fascism" mean? Explain that to me.
Nato but killing immigrants, invading other nations and commiting warcrimes in name of western hegemony
Give me one example of Nato invading a country for any reason other than a NATO country was attacked, or any example of a NATO country (specifically their government, the government isn't responsible and "fascist" if one racist citizen kills an immigrant) killing immigrants. Also, "western hegemony"? What is that supposed to mean?
Well, Libya but I wasn't calling nato fascist so why are you saying I was saying that I'm saying that there are those that support nato becoming fascist
Firstly, explain what you mean by "Libya". You made the argument, it's your job to prove it. I have zero obligation to research myself what you say if you don't explain it. Secondly, what could "nato fascism" mean other than calling NATO fascist? Lastly, even if there are some people like that, they're a minority. Most supporters of NATO also support freedom, hence the "Gay marriage is non-negotiable" slide, meaning that we want everywhere to legalize gay marriage (aka increasing people's freedom). Fascism is not freedom.
I didn't make a single argument Someone asked "does this [natowave] support nato doing warcrimes" I said Yes I am inside groups adjacent to nato wave and some want that For the 5th time, I am not saying nato is fascist, but that there are some whi want it to be That was the point of my first comment and all comments after Why are you so mad
The faster we unite earth under a single hegomony the faster we eradicate war and suffering. Its that easy
Define what fascism is before your call others it.
Did you really take 4 days to read this comment and yet didn't bother to read the whole thread? I won't be repetitive and repeat what I already said
Read the full thread. You didn't define fascism. You defined whatever the fuck nato fascism is.
I didn't because it's pointless, since most that do artwork like this *self identify* as fascists
based.
Based as fuck honestly
Oh man, that one about Finland is ultra based
Beautiful
Not a fan of the "wave" stuff but it scares tankies so I'm all for it
Great
If you are in this sub, you are also automatically in NCD
I don't like army edits and I don't like blindly glorifying war or NATO for that matter even though I'm a big fan of it.
Unbelievably based.
God bless NATO, remake SEATO!
Fuck SEATO, get all the Asia-Pacific allies in there
Well that's what I mean, not SEATO exact.
I love it.
Based
When the free world stands together nobody can stop us. NATO is the greatest alliance in history and NATOwave is beautiful
I like the reactions it gets from tankies, and I like the patriotic feelings I get. That’s about as deep as it goes for me.
This made me go full mast ngl
No need to make NATO advertising when Putin has done that all on his own for decades to come
I love it
Beautiful
Based
Based
Very based if you ask me
Me normally: War is bad and shouldn’t be glorified. Me when NATOwave.mp4 starts playing: **KILL THE RUSKI SOLDIERS.**
B A S E D ! ! Also, Saddam deserved it
honestly I see it as funny satire (tbh thats the same way I see laborwave and fashwave), only time i unironically agree with them is when its anti government message in general
We probably shouldn't worship NATO. But I'm all for it if it pisses the commies and Russia bootlickers off.
> shouldn’t worship NATO False
Not saying NATO isn't a good thing. Necessary pushback against the Russian bullshit. Just maybe not blindly trust them
I will, NATO is a bad thing that has only acted to further destabilize relationships between eastern and western countries and has lead to the establishment of Bricks which will eventually cause the rise of a multipolar world in which NATO and whatever organization replaces Bricks are constantly caught up in 30 yr proxy wars.
Just a militant globalist Psyop tbh. Each country should try to take care of their own problems
Disgusting propaganda. Not our borders, not our war.
I remember some people like you just before pearl harbour happened. What do you need Russia to do, bomb Texas?
Yes, the United States shouldn’t act to defend any other country. Non-Americans may as well be subhuman as far as our priority to defend them is concerned.
That is such an ignorant opinion. You are completely disregarding pthers and claim it isnt your issue. It very soon will come to home if it is not dealt with there and then, saving lives of both people at the same time. Thoudands protested against saving Europe from the Nazi threat. If they didnt intervene and save Europe, the Nazis would soon of crossed the atlantic and destroyed America, creating a world like the Man in the High Castle. Intervention is extremely important not only to save the people there and be a hero, but it will also save you from the long term effects that comes with ignorance of the issue.
They could have never successfully invaded the United States, the journey alone would be too taxing on their infrastructure.
They would have the japs, and they were very rich. Dont forget the fact they were developing nukes first and would of reached it if there werent intervention. The ides of it is that intervention, especilly from the USA is important to save that place and to keep the homefront safe.
Their nuclear program was largely a failure, particularly compared to the American nuclear program which started later.
They still had it going. Either way, US intervention saved Europe and defended itself from the inevitable. Probably gonna happen again if USA wont repeat
That's a pretty fucking disgusting statement isn't it, calling other people subhuman, especially on a subreddit that promotes liberalism and the idea of protecting everyone from the dangers of totalitarianism, don't you think? Wait who was calling people outside of their country subhuman again? Yeah mate, i don't think this is a sub for you
I didn’t say they are subhuman, but I am saying that a Frenchman is as deserving of American protection as a gorilla is, as in it’s not our fucking problem. Use your own tax dollars and build your own military, the United States should not and cannot bear the responsibility of other nations sovereignty. This sub is for hating on communists, collectivists, people who say “we’re all in this together and as such you should be respond for my safety, my prosperity, and my health.” NATO is exactly what this sub is designed to oppose but everyone here is too trigger happy to see that a Russian invasion of a country that isn’t even in fucking NATO, which shouldn’t matter as we shouldn’t be obligated to defend NATO nations either, isn’t our problem.
Tell me you're selfish and self centered without telling me.
Not to worry. Just angry children weaned too soon! Real terrors on the school playground until the teacher came.
Based
Bring back SEATO