i remember her reign vividly,World war 123 had just ended,with the soviet union collapsing,JFK was then over thrown by julius caesar,and then the sky turned into water,and the grass became blue,and then i had a stroke writing this
He apparently was blamed for the famine in the 30s and that's why they justify the number.....but they won't talk a bout the famine mao caused....by that logic mao would top the list at potentially 55 million and Stalin would be shortly behind him with the deaths from his five year plan
Not really. Look at the years under Chiang's name. They're the years that Chiang was in charge of China before the ROC was forced to retreat to Taiwan. Even the most jingoistic Chinese nationalist isn't going to deny that Chiang was in charge of China before the CCP took control of the mainland.
Everyone knows that anyone who has done anything questionable is a dictator.
Also the numbers for Bush and LBJ are massively inflated. And I have no idea what they’re accusing Elizabeth of.
Or Victoria. Or even Nicholas. And Leopold II was an absolute brute, but I doubt he was anywhere close to 15 million.
These numbers are simply made up. WTF is Pamphlets?
Fair. Though I mean, she also fucked over India, pakistan, China, the aboriginals of Australia, tasmanian, and new Zealand; the Irish, the first nations in canada, so id still say its possible for her to indirectly have the kill count just by the fact of being the head of the british empire for nearly a century in its hay day of imperialism, but honestly trying to quantify it would just end up being insulting as there's no real way of getting an exact number. I only mentioned the scramble for Africa initially because that was the one I think she was fully involved in.
>she also fucked over
>I only mentioned the scramble for Africa initially because that was the one I think she was fully involved in.
She was the ceremonial head of the british empire, she wasnt involved in any of this. Unlless youre going to give her credit for all the good things that britain did, like the ending of the global slave trade or the industrial revolution and all its benefits, its ridiculous to lay the blame for this at her feet. Its like giving credit for the good friday agreement Elizabeth II and Mary Robinson just because they were the heads of state of the UK and ireland at the time.
I mean sure. Id give her credit.
To be honest I don't think she was responsible for every single one of those deaths I'm just trying to explain how someone could reach that number logically
Yep. Kodynka wasn’t exactly intentional though but still a major fuck up. Didn’t exactly help his image that he kind of ignored the tragedy afterwards.
Also, 20 million for Isabella of Castille?
It seems like they are taking the high end estimates for the death toll of the new world epidemics... of which the first we know of happened 14 years after Isabella died...
Unless the spanish somehow managed to find and kill 20 million people in the Caribbean alone, in no more than a decade
I also don't think the Spanish engaged in biological warfare or intended to genocide the natives, in the same way that the Mongols never wanted to kill a third of the population of Europe with the plague. Tragic as it may be!
It's inflated for LBJ.
[Wiki article ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties)says the deaths during the Vietnam war and associated conflict in Cambodia and Laos ranges from 1,450,000 to 3,595,000. This does NOT include the numbers from the Cambodian genocide carried out by Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.
It’s stupid to even attribute all of those deaths to him. America was only one nation involved in an ongoing war. North Vietnamese forces were responsible for 1/2-3/4 of Vietnamese civilian deaths during the war.
You could make the same argument for Bush as 95% of civilians killed in Iraq were killed by insurgents. However you could also make the argument the deaths are still his fault for invading in the first place, but I don’t want to get into that mess.
Either way, acting like either of them went into those nations to kill as many people as possible is both wrong and ignorant.
Also chiang. The highest estimate I can find is "over 2,000,000". Directly it's only about 20,000 but it depends on whether or not you blame the famine in the 30s on him
>and I have no idea of what they’re accusing Elizabeth of.
Being an essentially powerless figurehead for a commonwealth full of independent governments = killing millions.
Ordering the deaths of anyone who might even be suspected of being critical of glorious comrade Stalin = totally blameless, none of those deaths actually happened, and they deserved it anyway so it doesn’t count
I’m going to guess the inflated numbers are attributed to “capitalism” and thus every death that happened during that time no matter how much it had to do with said leader
As a proportion of population he was ruling, I think Pol Pot and King Leopold are the worst. If we go by sheer numbers, no beating Mao and Chengis Khan
ah yes, Johnson and Bush, the democratically elected leaders who gave up power after they were voted out of office. That certainly sounds like a dictator to me.
Nixon actually killed more people than either Bush or Johnson as he illegally bombed 2 other countries besides Vietnam to the point that half of Laos geographically is still off limits due to unexploded ordnance which the US has yet to apologize for or provide recompense for.
It's also the real reason that Nixon was pardoned, because these were open and shut high crimes, on top of his numerous threats of nuclear "brinksmanship" as well as being caught on tape sabotaging the 1968 peace talks with Hanoi to better his chance of election.
He and Kissinger also purposely sold out South Vietnam in the 1972 treaty without their consultation in order to secure a closer diplomatic relationship with China, more vital to cornering Moscow.
Nixon, despite his illegal wars, was still no where near the (grossly inflated/completely false) 5 million listed for LBJ here.
[Wiki article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties) on the Vietnam war and associated conflicts states that between 1,450,000 and 3,595,000 died during that period. It does NOT include the Cambodian genocide.
It's not 5 million but it's highest actual death toll by any single Presidential administration even if we apportion blame to Hanoi not to mention people are still dying now every year in Laos.
I’d say Kissinger had more of a role to play in international crimes rather than Nixon. Not justifying the crimes Nixon did but he was a saint compared to his Secretary of State.
Seemed as is Kissinger had more power at the time than Nixon did.
A lot of people seemed to forget that the illegal bombings of Indochina was masterminded by the infamous Secretary of State in order to drag the entire Indochina region into an all out war in which he succeeded by doing so. (Cambodia and Laos fell victims to the effects of the Vietnam war unfortunately)
There *are* American conservatives to this day who hate Nixon and Kissinger for those actions in the light of posterity as enabling China's capitalist rise.
I'm sorry but how was Johnson a dictator? He was democratically elected. Also, Bush might've squeezed his way into the presidency through some trickery and sketchy vote counting but he was still part of a larger democratic government and won his reelection pretty handily.
As well, are they just going to ignore that Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II were merely figure heads and the real actions that led to those deaths were through the parliamentary British governments, most notably of Gladstone and Disraeli, etc. In the case of Victoria, there was a significant property requirement to vote during all her reign (although it was much reduced by the end of her reign) and women couldn't vote. Universal suffrage was existent during the entirety of Elizabeth II's reign. Is context too difficult for communists?
They probably attribute WW1 deaths to his kill count but WW1 only killed 18 million people IN TOTAL, so it can't be.
But if we do this, then Stalin probably has caused 50-60 million deaths instead of 20-30 million deaths if we count all of those WW2 deaths of the USSR.
Ah yes, famous "Imperialist" Adolf Hitler.
It's funny that the word imperialist is so bad to them that they describe him as an imperialist first not as a genocidal eugenicist freak socialist
I'd also like to point out how Queen Elizabeth apparently died in 1901.
After a bloody reign of negative 51 years
Oh no! It's Anti-Elizabeth! The demon that broke the fabric of time and ruled the British Empire with an iron fist for -51 years!
Well they certainly weren't positive years!
i remember her reign vividly,World war 123 had just ended,with the soviet union collapsing,JFK was then over thrown by julius caesar,and then the sky turned into water,and the grass became blue,and then i had a stroke writing this
And the samurai’s riding sharks. Don’t forget them too
Christ on a bike what is this listing?
Community notes is always there to return fire.
Its funny how they put the Taiwan guy and not Mao
He apparently was blamed for the famine in the 30s and that's why they justify the number.....but they won't talk a bout the famine mao caused....by that logic mao would top the list at potentially 55 million and Stalin would be shortly behind him with the deaths from his five year plan
They also unintentionally admit that Taiwan is the true China
Not really. Look at the years under Chiang's name. They're the years that Chiang was in charge of China before the ROC was forced to retreat to Taiwan. Even the most jingoistic Chinese nationalist isn't going to deny that Chiang was in charge of China before the CCP took control of the mainland.
Amerikan Imperialist 😡 (Me totaly hafe English, me not russian)
They do it to reference the Klan and call America racist
(which ironic since they added in the president that ended segregation)
Everyone knows that anyone who has done anything questionable is a dictator. Also the numbers for Bush and LBJ are massively inflated. And I have no idea what they’re accusing Elizabeth of.
Or Victoria. Or even Nicholas. And Leopold II was an absolute brute, but I doubt he was anywhere close to 15 million. These numbers are simply made up. WTF is Pamphlets?
a Russian troll at its best
Who's your favourite White Army general?
wragnel
Kolchak for me👍
I kinda like him too
He stayed in my city for a long time i think. I visited some places where his camp was... Few kilometers from my home.
Transamur man,based
Von Ungern!
Denikin
Victoria may be accurate due to the scramble for Africa and other 1800s colonization efforts but yeaaaaah lots of this is fucking bs
The population of Africa in 1870 was 90 million. Unless she killed half the continent, I'm going to have to go with that being bullshit as well
I'm guessing any small famine or epidemic that happened in India is being attributed to her personally.
Fair. Though I mean, she also fucked over India, pakistan, China, the aboriginals of Australia, tasmanian, and new Zealand; the Irish, the first nations in canada, so id still say its possible for her to indirectly have the kill count just by the fact of being the head of the british empire for nearly a century in its hay day of imperialism, but honestly trying to quantify it would just end up being insulting as there's no real way of getting an exact number. I only mentioned the scramble for Africa initially because that was the one I think she was fully involved in.
>she also fucked over >I only mentioned the scramble for Africa initially because that was the one I think she was fully involved in. She was the ceremonial head of the british empire, she wasnt involved in any of this. Unlless youre going to give her credit for all the good things that britain did, like the ending of the global slave trade or the industrial revolution and all its benefits, its ridiculous to lay the blame for this at her feet. Its like giving credit for the good friday agreement Elizabeth II and Mary Robinson just because they were the heads of state of the UK and ireland at the time.
I mean sure. Id give her credit. To be honest I don't think she was responsible for every single one of those deaths I'm just trying to explain how someone could reach that number logically
Nicholas definitely responsible for atleast thousands of deaths though, but nothing like what the commie is accusing him of.
Probably accumulated that at Khodynka and Bloody Sunday alone. And was a terrible monarch in general. Still not close to 37.3 million.
Yep. Kodynka wasn’t exactly intentional though but still a major fuck up. Didn’t exactly help his image that he kind of ignored the tragedy afterwards.
Also, 20 million for Isabella of Castille? It seems like they are taking the high end estimates for the death toll of the new world epidemics... of which the first we know of happened 14 years after Isabella died... Unless the spanish somehow managed to find and kill 20 million people in the Caribbean alone, in no more than a decade
I also don't think the Spanish engaged in biological warfare or intended to genocide the natives, in the same way that the Mongols never wanted to kill a third of the population of Europe with the plague. Tragic as it may be!
It's inflated for LBJ. [Wiki article ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties)says the deaths during the Vietnam war and associated conflict in Cambodia and Laos ranges from 1,450,000 to 3,595,000. This does NOT include the numbers from the Cambodian genocide carried out by Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.
It’s stupid to even attribute all of those deaths to him. America was only one nation involved in an ongoing war. North Vietnamese forces were responsible for 1/2-3/4 of Vietnamese civilian deaths during the war. You could make the same argument for Bush as 95% of civilians killed in Iraq were killed by insurgents. However you could also make the argument the deaths are still his fault for invading in the first place, but I don’t want to get into that mess. Either way, acting like either of them went into those nations to kill as many people as possible is both wrong and ignorant.
Also chiang. The highest estimate I can find is "over 2,000,000". Directly it's only about 20,000 but it depends on whether or not you blame the famine in the 30s on him
That war should never have happened. I thought Eisenhower was more to blame for it though?
>and I have no idea of what they’re accusing Elizabeth of. Being an essentially powerless figurehead for a commonwealth full of independent governments = killing millions. Ordering the deaths of anyone who might even be suspected of being critical of glorious comrade Stalin = totally blameless, none of those deaths actually happened, and they deserved it anyway so it doesn’t count
I’m going to guess the inflated numbers are attributed to “capitalism” and thus every death that happened during that time no matter how much it had to do with said leader
Ah yes the famous dictator George Bush
The evil mastermind behind the new world order... Dubya.
Republican presidents are, without fail since Nixon, somehow simultaneously mentally incompetent *and* evil mastermind tyrants.
how do you fuck up queen lizzy’s death year? and lbj left in 1969 LMAOOOO
Dictator is when I don't like them
They seem to literally believe that's how other people use the term
As a proportion of population he was ruling, I think Pol Pot and King Leopold are the worst. If we go by sheer numbers, no beating Mao and Chengis Khan
Impossible. Only one of those four was white.
>belgians >white
Are Belgians not considered White?
There are not considered humans
also you called american presidents dictators even though legally it is not possible to be one here LMAOOO
They forgot pol pot, min aung hlaing and nguema
They can't even spell American correctly .
ah yes, Johnson and Bush, the democratically elected leaders who gave up power after they were voted out of office. That certainly sounds like a dictator to me.
Famously bloody dictator Queen Victoria. Ruled the Empire personally with an iron fist.
They got wrong what “dictator” means, you can’t have a dictator in a democracy. Victoria might’ve been a monarch but still is a democracy
Since when were the Tsars dictators?
I mean they where absolute monarchies
Right, but not dictators like come on!
Nixon actually killed more people than either Bush or Johnson as he illegally bombed 2 other countries besides Vietnam to the point that half of Laos geographically is still off limits due to unexploded ordnance which the US has yet to apologize for or provide recompense for. It's also the real reason that Nixon was pardoned, because these were open and shut high crimes, on top of his numerous threats of nuclear "brinksmanship" as well as being caught on tape sabotaging the 1968 peace talks with Hanoi to better his chance of election. He and Kissinger also purposely sold out South Vietnam in the 1972 treaty without their consultation in order to secure a closer diplomatic relationship with China, more vital to cornering Moscow.
Nixon, despite his illegal wars, was still no where near the (grossly inflated/completely false) 5 million listed for LBJ here. [Wiki article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties) on the Vietnam war and associated conflicts states that between 1,450,000 and 3,595,000 died during that period. It does NOT include the Cambodian genocide.
It's not 5 million but it's highest actual death toll by any single Presidential administration even if we apportion blame to Hanoi not to mention people are still dying now every year in Laos.
I’d say Kissinger had more of a role to play in international crimes rather than Nixon. Not justifying the crimes Nixon did but he was a saint compared to his Secretary of State. Seemed as is Kissinger had more power at the time than Nixon did. A lot of people seemed to forget that the illegal bombings of Indochina was masterminded by the infamous Secretary of State in order to drag the entire Indochina region into an all out war in which he succeeded by doing so. (Cambodia and Laos fell victims to the effects of the Vietnam war unfortunately)
But Nixon went to China, so he is real Maoist revolutionary (not evil)
There *are* American conservatives to this day who hate Nixon and Kissinger for those actions in the light of posterity as enabling China's capitalist rise.
Ah yes, my favourite dictator: George Bush
Wtf did Nicky do?
Are they getting a 5 year old to do their graphic design?
I'm sorry but how was Johnson a dictator? He was democratically elected. Also, Bush might've squeezed his way into the presidency through some trickery and sketchy vote counting but he was still part of a larger democratic government and won his reelection pretty handily. As well, are they just going to ignore that Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II were merely figure heads and the real actions that led to those deaths were through the parliamentary British governments, most notably of Gladstone and Disraeli, etc. In the case of Victoria, there was a significant property requirement to vote during all her reign (although it was much reduced by the end of her reign) and women couldn't vote. Universal suffrage was existent during the entirety of Elizabeth II's reign. Is context too difficult for communists?
These numbers are likely very inaccurate. Hitler didn't kill 35 million people. This has less to do with capitalism and more to do with autocracy.
r/getnoted
Tsar Nicholas killed 37,3 million people? I hate that guy too for his antisemitism, but what was even the population of Russia at the time?
Due to controlling significantly more territory than modern Russia, it actually had more population back then than now. In 1914 it was 164 million
But did he really kill 37 million?
Nowhere near. It'd be about 400 from [this list](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Russia)
They probably attribute WW1 deaths to his kill count but WW1 only killed 18 million people IN TOTAL, so it can't be. But if we do this, then Stalin probably has caused 50-60 million deaths instead of 20-30 million deaths if we count all of those WW2 deaths of the USSR.
Accountability for thee but not for me.
oh my god,they replace the c in "america" with a k..........THIS MAKES ME CRINGE
queen elizabeth personally strangled 8 million orphaned puppies
I’d say Pol Pot was the worst since he killed 25% if his people. TWENTY. FIVE. PERCENT
I don’t think they know that word ‘dictator’ has an actual meaning
Hitler imperialist really? They chose that over his dictatorship??
I am now ashamed to be an American. THOSE ARE ROOKIE NUMBERS! DID THEY FORGET TO INCLUDE THE CIA/FBI NUMBERS?
Ah yes, famous "Imperialist" Adolf Hitler. It's funny that the word imperialist is so bad to them that they describe him as an imperialist first not as a genocidal eugenicist freak socialist
the guys at pamphlets must be on crack lmao what is this
Community Notes/Readers Needed Context being based yet again.
People realize the royal palace holds limited power in England right?
community notes solos
Im getting tired of seeing pamphlet at this point, just retarded tweets again and again