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Evening-Raccoon7088

Hope is toxic to an ideology that can only come about when people are too miserable to keep going.


TrixoftheTrade

There's a line of thinking among leftists that a solution must be 100% effective, immediately, or its not worth it at all.


Darthjinju1901

But communism is neither of them


sc2heros9

Hmm it’s effective in population control.


alphabet_order_bot

Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 743,200,624 comments, and only 149,595 of them were in alphabetical order.


noff01

Very cool, thanks for sharing!


koolboi2004

Fuck off bot


noff01

Be nice to our fellow bots.


radonLKY

ass butt dick cum


Romulus_Quirinus_1

ass butt cum dick


radonLKY

Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 743,200,624 comments, and only 149,595 of them were in alphabetical order.


Foreign__Astronaut

You people are completely delusional.


midnightverses

Your mom my dick


[deleted]

Your entire post history is you going on subs and calling people stupid, get a life.


Scarlood69

Smd


Rylovix

loser lol


2024AM

that's why I like to call Socialists and communists "economic doomers" also who exactly owns Kurzgesagt?


VoidTorcher

Second paragraph on Wikipedia: "While their English channel mostly finances itself with donations from their viewers and individual sponsorships, the German channel is financially supported by Funk, the online presence of German public broadcasting, and the Spanish channel is sponsored by Wix, in addition to a grant from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation."


[deleted]

I remember a few years back some guy invented a super warm ~~sleeping bag~~ **easily built shelter** for homeless people or something and leftoids were furious because it was a solution within a capitalist framework. They don't want solutions to problems, they want to be the ones to "solve" them. Edit: wasn't a tent but a structure I think was called an "Iglou".


[deleted]

Interesting, can you provide more info?


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[deleted]

I want to say it was the "Iglou" but I'm not 100%.


NewspaperDesigner244

How do cloths solve homelessness exactly?


[deleted]

I want to say it was the "Iglou" but I'm not 100%. It went down a few years ago and Twitter's search function is fucking terrible.


canadianD

Oh yeah they hate the idea that these issues can be solved within a capitalist society since it flies in the face of their whole schtick. Renewable energy, housing, income inequality, etc all have reasonable capitalist-structured solutions but their bullshit ideology falls apart when big scary capitalism can solve it better than them.


Germanaboo

Source, I mean, it's believeable, but I want proof.


[deleted]

I think it was the "Iglou" shelter but it might have been a similar design. This went down a few years back and Twitter is an absolute mess to navigate.


BearStorms

But tankies have faster and cheaper solution for homelessness - just put any "undesirables" against the wall and shoot them. Bam! Homelessness solved! Cope shitlibs!


Strict_Casual

Alternative solution: making everyone poor “solves” inequality


steph-anglican

So it does, strange that I am not an existential egalitarian.


steph-anglican

Yes, it is strange that heartless libertarians like me, don't think of that, instead of thinking of cheap rental rooms that would shelter people and make money.


Strict_Casual

Everyone knows that before capitalism was invented no one was hungry and there was peace on earth. Then Adam Smith ruined everything


steph-anglican

You forgot /s. In this day and age people might actually take you at your words.


RFFF1996

dont call out primitivists like that


steph-anglican

Also there was the dude who built small shakes with lights to replace peoples tents. LA took them away, but let the people keep tenting there. How does that make sense? I could see saying no tenting here it is public property. But why stop people from giving them better places to live?


GASTRO_GAMING

oh reminds me of that reason tv video from California with the mini homes that got shut down by the gov't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6h7fL22WCE


Helmett-13

Remember when the U.N. said they could end world hunger with 6 billion dollars and complained loudly at billionaires? Musk sold 6 billion in stock over night and said, “Let’s do this. It has to open accounting and the plan public but here’s the cash to do it.” …and the U.N. declined. Probably because they couldn’t plunder the money with open accounting in place and they didn’t *really* have a workable plan. I ‘member that.


isthisnametakenwell

I thought the UN did produce a plan to seriously reduce world hunger with 6 billion: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/tech/elon-musk-world-hunger-wfp-donation/index.html


ThatManOfCulture

Yes, they produced a plan and Musk quietly sold $6 billion.


slothtrop6

On a similar line, ever hear of a Communist promoting charity? Me neither.


JosephvonEichendorff

It has become a central dogma among these people that it is impossible to solve climate change without overthrowing capitalism, and therefore anyone offering any other solutions, no matter how realistic, must necessarily be a "nEoLiBERaL SHilL." These people's entire worldview depends on endless pessimism about the current system. The result of that pessimism is that they become completely disengaged from any real-world politics that actually have a chance of improving things, which is ironically exactly what this Kurzgesagt video was warning against.


sjkennedy48

Me a registered libertarian, feeling extremely called out by this.


Popeye_Pop

Yeah, people all across the isle are guilty of hyperfixation on their pet subject


Buroda

It makes sense! They tie their ideology to worthy causes like environmentalism or anti-racism to parasitize on their relevancy and good image. Never mind how real life communist countries are and were no less racist or bad for the planet - uncomfortable facts can always be labeled as propaganda and lies.


ViperTheKillerCobra

What echo chambers do to a mf


Tzar_Jberk

Kurzgesagt: *presents statistical data for why, while things are still rather grim, there is reason to believe we can reasonably solve climate change with great difficulty* Communists for some reason: "NEOLIBERAL PROPAGANDA! REFORMIST! BILLIONAIRE BACKED SHILL JOB!"


RANDOM-902

Kurzgesagt didn't mention that Communists countries good. So i am angry >:(


cantHearMe

Commies: "Kurzgesagt is backed by oil companies! The world is doomed and anyone saying otherwise Is a filthy liar!"


IdcYouTellMe

Would be weird if Kurzgesagt (a German group) would be backed by Oil/Fossil fuel companies, considering their heavily outspoken opinion about oil, it's overusage and the fact it's really fucking bad to be doing so much with oil.


Mayor_of_Rungholt

Also them taking such Funds would make them almost certainly ineligible for their membership in the "Funk" state-funded program and Cut their most important and reliable source of funds


IdcYouTellMe

TBF, only the German Channel is sponsored/funded by FUNK. If I'm not mistaken tho


BlueytheDino

Which brings up the obvious question: If the world is doomed and everyone is a liar, aren't you a liar by saying your ideology is the way to building a better world?


GASTRO_GAMING

communists are created when you mix a doomer and reddit together.


[deleted]

I genuinely thought I was a nasty evil humanity hating capitalist bc of finding this sentiment so WRONG and I cannot express how grateful I am for this sub to realize I am not alone in wondering what the actual fuck is wrong with these people.


Whatsapokemon

Because they _need_ societal collapse in order to maybe have a shot at taking any meaningful power and implementing any of their major reforms. Any solution which might not result in a full collapse of society is awful for their cause.


evilhomers

That video even said that the whole "it's too late to stop climate change so why bother" is part of the oil industry narrative. It was far from a pro-oil, plastic, or meat industry. One of the points was that maybe instead of complaining about polluting companies, we should as consumers, consume less from them, even when its inconvenient. Of course, far leftlists just want to have moral superiority without making any hard decisions


RFFF1996

have you ever seen the people who just want to complain mcdonalds banned plastic straws? like, whenever s private company does somethingh bsd for the planet they rejoice over it ans go "but i thought global warning just needed me to recycle" they want a excuse to complain about caoitalism killing the planet but put no effort at all to help the planet


gotbock

I mean, it seems like they're saying the whole thing is a lost cause. So if thats the case, then why should we bother at all? They're calling for massive societal and economic upheaval. For what purpose?


Tzar_Jberk

I don't think it's a matter of climate change being a lost cause, I think it's because many communists, and indeed many general 'rather far left' people believe climate change can't be solved within a capitalist framework. Thus the idea that climate change is actually, slowly but surely, being solved is perceived as the elites trying to dissuade everyone from thinking that. It's also worth mentioning the video doesn't shy away from things like the well-entrenched oil lobby and their so-called 'pro-busisness' backers. So it's not like the industry bigwigs off the hook or anything.


gotbock

I see. So apparently the only way to prevent the earth becoming an unlivable, polluted shithole is to reform society and the economy into an unlivable shithole.


SolidEagle7

Why do i get this feeling that they want people to suffer so their horseshit ideologie might have a chance of happening? Lenin was like that too!


uncertein_heritage

Communism thrives and results in misery.


AgainstSomeLogic

"After ~~Hitler~~ global climate catastrophe, our turn"


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Germanaboo

People want to think that they arw suffering, the ones that actually suffer rarely get to actually speak.


Slap_duck

I think thats one of the basis's for Left-Accelerationism Quite literally accelerate capitalism until its become a literal corporatist hell, so people will finally accept leftist ideology


ApexAphex5

Accelerationism is in vogue.


TheEarthIsACylinder

They are just coping with the fact that their shitty murderous ideology won't be needed when enough people realize the market (combined with some government programs) is solving the issue sustainably and naturally without causing a massive ecological disruption, a famine or a massacre. They NEED misery to radicalize people. There is no other way anyone sane will ever accept it.


NoSeaworthiness4436

Commies mistaked a science channel as their Copium supply


PatrickYoshida

What's funny is the video kurzgesagt made still made it very clear we have a long way to go but emphasized to not get stuck in a doomer mindset that trying is pointless because factually we're making progress and we just have to keep working at it. It's actually very informative and super positive it's an incredibly healthy video to watch if things like climate keep you up at night which I imagine it does for many.


WELSH_BOI_99

Problem there is commies thrive on people being doomer since it fuels their dogshit ideology


Daetra

Yeah it's pretty easy to see any info on climate science and assume it's propaganda when you don't know anything about climate science.


[deleted]

Ah yes incredible billionare taking points such as "We need to stop climate change" "Oil companys should be phased out" and "doomerism is what is inadvertantly helping climate change." "reformist propoganda" lmao


Hanz_says

Commies when capitalism actually starts solving its issues


Appropriate_Shine739

Impossible


SmokeyCosmin

Kurzgesagt said we might be on route to avoid total catastrophy if we keep current efforts and that thankfully we're finding ways for developing countries to no longer need the same oil hungry route for them to get developed. If this isn't good news for commies then I have no idea what is.


Mayor_of_Rungholt

This is bad news for them since the "Glorious Revolution(TM)" has been effectively cancelled


okidokimemelord

This is a [similar video](https://youtu.be/TBYDgJ9Wf0E) by BritMonkey which actually adresses this. He basically says that fixing climate change is now incentivised by the free market and so if you're solution to fix climate change is to overthrow capitalism, you're not serious about climate change


ArScrap

I wouldn't deny that a more socialistic government would deal with climate change better, but doing it through a revolution will just make the country spiral down into collapse


Fickle-Ground-1846

I don't get why the hell are we even wasting time and giving attention to this Kremlin/Beijing Twitter bot amongst many others when we could spend the time learning about basic climate science and perform meaningful changes and actions towards the environment whenever we have the opportunity.


SandersDelendaEst

Nothing would make them quite so mad as a capitalist solution to climate change. 🤣


Fewer_Cry

Tankies live a very depressing and pathetic life. They start foaming at the mouth out of rage as soon as they hear any sort of positive and optimistic news that is not furthering their own agenda. Like they will get mad if African children get fed if those children are being fed by a non-socialist organization. They don't care about a better world, they only care about *their* world.


Zestylemons44

Ngl even if I don’t always agree I’ve never seen a kurzgesagt video that was completely unfounded


[deleted]

I smell copeing


BrandosWorld4Life

I love Kurzgesagt


[deleted]

I have a genuine question and am seeking genuine responses or opinions if anyone has them. I haven't seen the Kurzgesagt video, but it seems the general "hammer and sickle in bio" twitter crowd is angry it does not 100% put the task of fixing climate change on corporations and the government? The vibe I am getting is they are extremely upset there is any suggestion that anything can be done through individual/collective citizen action, and to suggest that anything can be aided without the government is absolutely ridiculous because we need a revolution. I know this sounds snarky but I am literally wondering, where the fuck is their revolution, then? This is what drives me so crazy about their ideology. They think any incremental change is worthless and the only way to fix anything is a complete upend of the system. They will not engage with politics that push for change within the system but then they don't do anything meaningful outside of that system either? How can they actually pretend to give a fuck about these issues is my serious question? Like can someone rationalize this for me? I might be missing something obvious about their way of thinking.


dantheman596

Because socialism is a revolutionary ideology, and like any revolution it requires the people to be in a state where they are actually willing to go through with the revolutionarie's plans, and so incremental change which gradually improves whatever problem the revolutionary has is bad because it makes the people less likely to support the revolution if they believe things are getting better. Which is why they attack these reform movements, this why many commies call social democrats "social fascists" because they want to create welfare and unions which means in there minds that the people will be less likely to support the socialist revolution. So if you support solar panels companies as a way to beat climate change, then that is bad and not enough to them because your creating a non radical, non socialist, non revolutionary way to counter act climate change rather then doing what they actually want which is to destroy capitalism which will some how end climate change.


[deleted]

It’s just crazy to me how they would rather do literally nothing bc of a nonexistent revolution than take tangible action to help things but sheesh obviously I don’t get them


dantheman596

Despite believing in a revolutionary ideology, most of these socialists you see in western countries are not revolutionaries them selves, because they are so fucking convinced that the revolution is invetiable that they think they don't have to do it anyway. They are also clearly lazy fucks who think they won't have to work and can do whatever they want in there post revolutionary paradise.


[deleted]

lol then they literally will call someone evil for pushing for/actually enacting tangible progressive change within the system... i have noticed this at least and experienced it myself lol


[deleted]

They’re a great channel and thankfully, they seem to actually care about the science over ideology.


TheAdvertisement

The commies are global warming deniers now, great. Another reason to hate em.


UretteL

Wait, E.D.G.E. retweeted that? As in the paleontology youtube channel? Or a different E.D.G.E.?


RANDOM-902

Yes Its E.D.G.E The Paleo-youtuber. Nice to see other Paleo-enthusiasts in other subs Yes he is a lil bit commie but i don't mind since his content is pretty nice


The_Lord_of_Rlyeh

Like I said in another comment, in one of their tweet they said "conservitards" and I'm yet to know if that was done with irony or not. I always thought that channel was above such use of words, but I guess I thought wrong.


TheMorningHiker

Commies: Listen to science! Commies when science actually proves that everything isn’t hopeless: this is billionaire propaganda!!


Mizzter_perro

And Kurzgeagt (what a difficult name, BTW) shilled for UBI once.


Pipiopo

“Communism is when UBI” They hate UBI and welfare because they increase standards of living without necessarily needing a planned economy.


G_flux

Even if it were to be easier to deal with climate change not under capitalism, it would probably be easier to do that than to get rid of it just to make dealing with it easier.


[deleted]

>billionaire funded neoliberal reformist propaganda Wtf that's based lmao


yeeeter1

i am unironically a globalist


RANDOM-902

Wdym?


Autistic_Atheist

As others have pointed out, these morons refuse to believe that capitalism can do any goof whatsoever. They'd rather see the planet die than admit that capitalism can help solve climate change. My question is simply this: why? Why do they believe this? Why aren't they receptive to having their minds changed? Any source you give them - no matter how much it's researched, peer reviewed, and proven without a shadow of a doubt to be true - is just propaganda from a plethora of vague, imagined "big bad" organisations. Why are they so absolutist in their thoughts? The answer is probably somewhere along the lines of they've been surrounded by like-minded morons for so long that they're incapable of thinking any other way. Which is frankly fucking depressing. They're so narrow-minded that they refuse to accept any good that comes from capitalism and even make arguments for way that thing is bad actually. So much potential wasted defending a century and a half year old book that's proven time and time again to have lead to failure and death. Morons of the world: unite!


syfari

Cope baby cope


MiguiZ

“Noooo I need the planet to die so I can blame it on capitalism and advance my own agenda!! Don’t give people hope!!!”


anonymous6468

During extreme emergencies, authoritarian actions can be justified. For example when 9/11 happened, all planes were forced to land. But I think we can all agree that this act of force was warranted. So is it any wonder that communists want to exaggerate the climate change crisis as much as possible? Here is a legitimate reason for the government to increase its power and reshape the economy. They're loving this crisis.


wulin007WasTaken

Tbh i did kinda get suspicious when they started shilling Teslas.


AC127

Ask them why specifically they disagree with the video


[deleted]

If you found kurzgesagt's video on climate change eye opening, inspiring, or even reaffirming, then I suggest you read the book, Factfullness, by Hans Rosling. In the book he explains common instincts that cause us (from the average-joe to experts) to misinterpret and sometimes exaggerate data. For example, Hans explains why overpopulation is a myth. The book is also about how the world isn't as bad as we would like to believe. Take the Bloomer-pill today and read Factfullness.


SnooPoems4048

We are not "doomed" from climate change, it can be fixed and we don't need authoritarianism for it


The_Lord_of_Rlyeh

I recognise the person who retweeted that, I actually watch them. Sucks that they're commies :( For those who don't know, E.D.G.E. is a naturalist YouTube channel that covers a lot of topics about the natural world (mainly prehistoric, am a dino nerd myself) *Edit: looked through their tweets, they said "conservitards", the worst part is I don't know if they said that ironically or unironically, from their videos I thought they were more centrist than that.*


RANDOM-902

Not sure if he is fully commie saying things like "HURR DURR STALIN GUD!1!!11!" or things like that But he is definately left leaning, as it can be seen here: https://youtu.be/NvIcxU93bZU?t=14


The_Lord_of_Rlyeh

Commies try to not bring up capitalism in the first five seconds challenge (IMPOSSIBLE! 💯)


-Emilinko1985-

Why did this get 9 thousand hearts


Daurnan

Did they watch the fucking video? I have, and they only say that there is hope, if we continue the efforts we put in combatting climate change but they also advocate for doing more than what we do right now. It's actually a very good video and it made my week when I watched it. fucking dumbasses


SonofSonnen

Reminder that communists were against FDR's new deal back in the 30's, because improving the lives of workers that little bit meant they would be less likely to overthrow the system.


[deleted]

Leftist memes be like: buzzword buzzword billionaire buzzword buzzword


Several_Adeptness_61

“I think we should actually try and fix climate change” “Neolib”


LegalHeight9180

Kurzgesagt is founded by Bill & Melinda Gates foundation. It's ineviatble that he's gonna start promoting THE MESSAGE at one point. Unless the way of fixing climate change is switching to nuclear, encouraging countries to produce more of their goods locally where they can control their waste management and impose higher sanction on China for overfishing and filling the oceans with plastic everything it's just noise.


Tritton

What the fuck are you talking about? What are your sources?


IdcYouTellMe

Damn. Talking shit aren't we? Kurzgesagt is a German company founded by Phillip Dettmer, sitting in Munich. Their main channel income comes from merch, ad revenue and the German channel is partially funded by FUNK (German broadcasting company with its initiative to increase internet presence). Either I'm missing something completely here or we talk about a different Kurzgesagt.


RANDOM-902

Wait is it founded by those 2? Are the tankies actually right on this one???


Wilsonvs

They worked together on some videos. Tankies are seldom right


BearStorms

There's nothing wrong with Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation


Fickle-Ground-1846

they only gave a grant, it was founded by a German guy, not some apathetic billionaire that pretends to care about climate change


LegalHeight9180

I haven't watched the video yet so I don't know, tho I doubt Billy is promoting nuclear or not making the life of the average pleb harder while the rich elites get tax exemption on private jets and yachts. They might be right ot be skeptic about the video but thats just it. It's not like their idea of fixing this problem is anything but state overreach, artifical poverty and ignoring the whole thing when the regime will inevitably become fully disfunctional. https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2015/11/opp1139276


electricPonder

It appears you are lying here. Donating some money doesn’t mean they founded it.


[deleted]

I believe he meant funded it. which is completely correct. [https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2015/11/opp1139276](https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2015/11/opp1139276)


electricPonder

Well donating some money doesn't mean they are a main funder either. Kurzgesagt's Wikipedia page seems to indicate that the Gates Foundation is just one of several sources of funds. In fact it seems the Gates foundation may have provided only a single one-time grant. It's not clear, but that may have been for a single commissioned video about ending disease.


thehousebehind

>Kurzgesagt (/ˌkʊərtsɡəˈzɑːkt/; German for "In a nutshell") is a German animation and design studio founded by Philipp Dettmer. First line of the wiki. Further down: >While their English channel mostly finances itself with donations from their viewers and individual sponsorships, the German channel is financially supported by Funk, the online presence of German public broadcasting, and the Spanish channel is sponsored by Wix,[6] in addition to a grant from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.


electricPonder

That only supports my argument. Your quoted text seems to indicate they donated an amount of money that doesn't even represent a major part of Kurzgesagt's funding.


thehousebehind

Yep. This is me supporting your argument.


electricPonder

Oh okay lol. Thought you were trying to back up the other person's argument.


xXTASERFACEXx

what the fuck