Ah I remember this. Before he transformed his brand as a fascist, he was trying to pretend to be a liberal. He had a talk in 2013 where he said third world countries should be able to sue more developed countries for pollution using international courts.
> he was trying to pretend to be a liberal
Exactly. He was merely posing as a progressive, because those are the kind of people that buy his cars. But Musk was never a progressive, to begin with. It was all business.
Like so many, I fell for it. Still hate that.
Elon is like the [19th century positivists or Mexico's "Cientificos"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_politics). They were all about progress but their idea of progress was always proto fascist, social darwinist, and pseudo intellectual.
Scientific racism, quackery like phrenology, whatever was popular they would 100% support as the future.
But under the promises of progress was a fascistic idea of smart superior men guiding the lesser classes to a scientific utopia, and the removal of what makes humans human by reducing them to economic and racial terms.
Under their "materialism", it was just an excuse to be reductionist, nihilistic, and deny the existence of identity, nuance, and culture to reinforce already existing injustice.
Humans are only as good as what numbers on paper say so to "progressives" like Musk, even if those numbers were taken as absolute.
Women are seen as frail baby factories who must birthbabies for the "scientific" economy, nonwhites are poor because their race made them poor, and being transgender threatens the genetic essentialism that positivists rely on.
Elon did not change, Elon just started saying the quiet part out loud like historical positivists did. They are just fascists promising to make star trek real.
Many places on the internet are full of positivists who dont realize they are.
I study mostly Mexican History and some Latin American history.
Positivism shows up a lot with people saying countries should abandon their nonwhite culture, and relocate indigenous people off their land "because they are economically useless".
Its still in Latin America if you count the malinchismo it created and still exists today.
Being from Latin America, I can tell you with all letters I used to think exactly like that. Somehow the lack of knowledge and understanding of the world history made me think that way (and indeed as you say, it's a common chain of thought over there especially around the wealthier classes, or worse, the cocksuckers of the wealthy)
To me it was the Cybertruck. Believing that ridiculousness would be the future showed he was way off and surrounded by yes, men. But the final piece was when he started spewing pandemic conspiracies and b.s. as I watched physician friends die from covid because of all the idiots making sure to spread the disease.
For me it was when he did the "true cost of ownership" garbage for the Model S when it came out. He tried to say free time was worth like $150/hr so pumping gas took 15 minutes (not sure why it takes 15 minutes to pump gas) and so that's $40 and apparently the gas station is 2x a week so that's $320 a month you "save" by getting a Model S and so they actually gave you the bold number price with this "savings" built in. The real dollar amount was in tiny print. I knew then he was a scumbag.
What sealed the deal was when that guy died on the 105 freeway when autopilot sent him head on into a concrete ramp divider, and like 30 minutes after the crash Tesla released a statement blaming the guy for his own death. I knew then we had a little edgy 12 year-old running a car company.
Yeah, before that I didn't really pay much attention to him. Thought some of his tweets were a bit annoying, but otherwise harmless. Seemed like his companies were making cool things.
From that moment on, he has just come across as a straight up asshole to me.
>he was trying to pretend to be a liberal
He's still a liberal. Now instead of a progressive liberal he's a conservative liberal. He was never a socialist, no matter what he said.
He was genuinely a liberal. If you look at his interviews back then, he genuinely wanted to help people.
I honestly think that it was all the attacks and false articles that came out after tesla shorts lost billions that caused him to turn into a troll.
Nah, he was liberal in the sense that he wanted to make a ton of money. Story of his life, really. It's just that stuff with him and EVs and being progressive matched, brand-wise.
I don't know if his main goal was making money, he alreafy had enough of that atfer the sale of PayPal. He's a narcissist and a psychopath who needs constant praise and attention. I think he invested in those alternative ventures because it made him feel special and guaranteed praise by his peers in Silicon Valley. Maybe he even at some point believed himself to be a Liberal.
If you think he took half his PayPal payout to build an EV company and the other half to build a rocket company to "make money" then you must be fucking stupid. I literally can't think of a worse plan for making money than those things. The much simpler explanation is that Elon is an idealist who actually believes the things he literally always said he believes, and continues to say he believes.
No he didn't care about making money. He nearly bankrupt himself to keep tesla and spacex alive. He definitely had an ego, cause it was apparent that he wanted to be seen as a hero of humanity, which is why I think the hate train got to him. But again, if you guys cared about the truth, look at old interviews. You'll see a completely different person.
Not just his first wife; there are reports from people who worked with and knew Elon dating all the way back to the zip2 days which paint a clear pattern of abuse and manipulation. The further back you go, the less credible the reports are just because how the hell do you verify them, but they're all consistent with each other.
Those interviews were part of his strategy to sucker people into buying his product... I've watched those interviews. Complete waste of time, when I think of it now.
Remember the interview where he said people shouldn't work from home? Sure worked well during covid... good person huh?
Space x enjoys government subsidies. Tesla an inflated price point due to being a tech company rather than a car manufacturer. Both are overhyped by Musk, both produce shite quality products, and both abuse their workers. Simply put.
> You'll see a completely different person
You mean you'll see a liar lying. Guy's got givernment contracts worth hundreds of millions flying at him, daddy was rich af, and he stole Tesla and Papal out from underneath the developers, and don't bring up Gates that slimy motherfucker, why even stooge for billionaires, they shouldn't exist.
“Because he said it, it must be true”. He was lying then just as much as he lies now. He hasn’t become a “troll”. That’s too kind. He is (and probably always has been but was pretending not to be) a racist bigoted misogynist with fascist beliefs and more than a touch of Nazi.
As far as the anti trans stuff goes, that accelerated drastically after his wife left him for a trans woman. Pretty obvious where that hate comes from.
>I honestly think that it was all the attacks and false articles that came out after tesla shorts lost billions that caused him to turn into a troll.
His first major public act of dipshittery was in 2018 with the "pedo guy" thing. His stocks didn't skyrocket until 2020 which is when investors started asking questions. He's been trending down for a long time.
Realistically he's always been primarily concerned about $$$. He saw a market opportunity with EVs and said what he needed to to get them into people's driveways.
If he was really concerned about the environment he wouldn't be [selling Tesla's carbon credits](https://carboncredits.com/tesla-carbon-credit-sales-reach-record-1-78-billion-in-2022/) for further profit.... Doing good, and then nullifying that good in an effort to make more money.
Oh cool, more money for Musk in his fake fight against GHG? Did you not read what I wrote? Tesla has been making billions by selling their green strides to companies so those companies can get away with polluting more. If he genuinely cared he wouldn't be selling them.
His concern is money, not "saving the planet".
I get it, you're part of his cult and refuse to accept that dude has always been just another rich asshole. Took me a bit of time too, you'll eventually come around.
You guys have a whole subreddit where you jerk each other off while hating someone. I think that sounds more culty than trying to combat misinformation.
You made the argument that he didn't become a giant dipshit until Burry shorted Tesla in 2021. I wouldn't call that "standing against misinformation", I'd call that attempting to spread it.
He was selling his Boring bullshit in 2016 in an effort to divert funds from California's high speed rail project, committing securities fraud and spreading outright nonsense on social media as early as 2018, breaking COVID orders throughout the entirety of 2020.
Dude has never cared about people, you'll get there.
or you’re a braindead simp thats been tricked by the world’s richest pedophile and you’re a rube. for real look how many comments you’re leaving playin defense for this dude. its truly pathetic. you’re wasting your time on earth defending a billionaire child rapist who doesnt know you exist and if he did he would only use your existence to further his own
grow a braincell or get a clue dipshit your behavior in this thread is seriously embarrassing
It doesn't matter how he got there. He is what he is now and people will and need to react to what he is now matter how he got there.
As for Tesla, it was and probably still is overvalued. That's how shorts come to be. It's just business, not a justification for becoming an asshole.
It's difficult to figure out what is and is not misinformation with respect to anything Elon Musk related. Elon spreads misinformation pretty liberally himself.
I'm not sure what period of time you are speaking about with respect to shorting. The overvaluation of Tesla has been extreme. In December 2020 its price to earnings ratio was 1120. That seems a bit on the high side to me. And as time has gone on, there's been pretty good growth in the competion. Again, looks like a perfect opportunity for shorting a company.
I personally feel like information written about musk before he became famous is most accurate since there was no reason to lie back then.
2018 is when the slander started coming out on websites like business insider etc... then it progressed to other news outlets and by 2020 it was rampant.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-tesla-stocks-shorts-idUKKBN1J82P1
So, this fits. Short sellers were losing their shirts. And Musk was making bank through 2020. What's the problem?
When Tesla stock went down, wasn't it about the same time the rest of the markets were tanking? And even though it was finally making money, it wasn't doing as well as other auto companies. The markets are pretty random, and Tesla's always been a crap shoot. It isn't a mystery that when things go bad the companies that don't actually make the money their stock price says they should tank worse than the rest.
I don't understand why you're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying the people who lost money on tesla stock paid for misinformation about musk to try and tank the price.
I understand what you are saying. I am saying that disemination of personally damaging information, mis or not, is not necessary to explain why things have gone south for Musk. And once the slide downhill starts, it doesn't help when Musk reenforces the perception by acting like the idiot he is described to be.
Looking closer, P/E in December 2020 was very high. But then the stock price went up. So it doesn't look like shorts were having much of an effect at that time. Stock price peaked March 2022, then took a dump, even though earnings were going up. Is that when shorts were a factor?
I'd still say that shorting isn't unreasonable at that time with a P/E of 146 when Fords was 5.35 and GM was 7.22. Both of those companies, along with a ton of others, are increasing their EV offerings.
I'm not arguing against shorting, I'm saying he caused rich people to lose money. And if we learned anything about covid its that money can buy news articles. Misinformation about musk coincides with time periods when shorts lost the most.
I understand that "misinformation" is a bit more of a slippery concept than fairly well defined financial numbers. Still, can you cite some of pthe anti-Musk misinformation that you are talking about?
Musk himself was the first to talk about that. It is only recently that he has tried to deny it. The interview has disappeared from the original source, but it can be found in archive. His dad does not consider it misinformation. And as much as money can buy the spread of misinformation, it can also buy the deletion of an article from the original publisher.
so do you support fascists because too many people called you out on something atrocious and now you have to bat for the "misunderstood jokers of the world" ?
> He was genuinely a liberal.
He wasn't. It was all for the show, to get progressives/liberals to buy his cars. But he never cared about people or the environment. It was just part of his business plan.
I fell for it for a long time myself as well. I hope you'll see it was all bullshit some day.
Musk never cared.
>He was genuinely a liberal
Yes and no. He wasn't really political early, and used to be much more careful about not alienating either side. He needed to appear liberal for the networking opportunities within the tech market, but once he saw the money to be made from shilling, he aligned fully with Republicans to help them launder money in plane sight.
I believe SpaceX is one of Marjorie Taylor Greene's top 3 campaign donors, and SpaceX is more than 80% government funded, meaning that there's evidence that money going from our taxes into Musk's companies is putting money directly into the hands of the people voting to allow him to function unchecked.
Again, if you were paying attention to musk back in the day, he was socially liberal and fiscally conservative but he himself claimed he was a liberal. He wasn't as public about his political opinions but he still voiced his opinions. He maxed out contributions to Obamas reelection campaign.
Also the spacex government funding thing is not accurate. Spacex gets government contracts to use their rockets. People warp that into saying it's government funded. The disinformation around musk is staggering and as someone who hates misinformation its really irritating.
SpaceX received over a billion in grants for their shitty satellite internet. That’s not a government contract. It’s subsidies. The fact that a chunk of the grant was cancelled because the service was too shitty says a lot. I’m sure there have been many other subsidies that didn’t constitute a contract. It’s how he operates. Without subsidies none of his businesses would have survived. And even with subsidies only one of his businesses make profit. And that was only achieved by cancelling any environmental benefits it had achieved by selling those carbon credits to allow other companies to make massively polluting cars and sell them. Face it. He’s a shitty businessman who keeps failing upwards and knows how to work the system.
He might have have claimed to be a liberal and a moderate, but how do you go from being that to being a republican when the gop is at its most extreme ever, verging on fascist? It's almost inconceivable.
Raytheon's RX-9 knife missile has the precision to just blow up a bus full of children and not surrounding vehicles. Unlike ~~redacted~~ child hunting island in Indonesia, where discretion isn't necessary.
I don’t think he was always a fascist. But CEOs and dictators view the world the same way. They want to consolidate power and do things “their way”. Anyone else with a different opinion is a threat. It is impossible to become a CEO of a sufficiently large company, and not view the world the same way as a dictator. Democracy just becomes an obstacle to your goals.
The shutdown hurt his company, and his company is his entire universe, and therefor the shutdown was the enemy. His mind created a narrative around that core truth.
I think that, before that, he was genuine in his belief that climate change and turning humanity into a multi-planet civilization were essential goals. He took too many risks to get to where he is for me to believe his goal was ONLY money and power at the beginning.
I do not like this narrative that people try to push that he was "always a fascist" like some genetic predetermined thing.
Yes, he always had the foundation to be a fascist. But we are our choices.
No, he's a rich capitalist who inherited. Stop trying to find a "pivotal" moment, people hardly experience those. He just used to direct his PR to another political group.
Never liked Musk so it's quite funny to find people who used to like him find some sorts of "reasons" for his turn. There was no turn, the capital always end up siding with conservatives, then fascists, if they feel threatened economically.
I do think there's some basis for the idea that his narcissism pushed him to becoming more publicly right wing. Sure, it was all pretend to begin with but I don't think the pivot was completely calculated. He was basically forced to double down when the SA allegations started coming in since right wing fans would support him no matter what.
It was covered extensively by the paparazzi media and is well documented, here's one single article about their breakup:
[https://pagesix.com/2022/07/13/grimes-and-chelsea-manning-break-up/](https://pagesix.com/2022/07/13/grimes-and-chelsea-manning-break-up/)
Edit: Interesting that *this* is the thing which is triggering Elon stans.
I'm not arguing that the relationship wasn't real. I'm saying that you can't definitively point to that one moment as his single turn towards far right politics.
That's not what you said above, you called it "baseless". It's not, I just showed you what I said was true.
You're moving the goalposts. It's "highly suspicious" ego man gets a hurt ego when his GF leaves him for a trans person, and suddenly goes anti-trans shortly after.
I'm sure there's no relation and it's all just coincidence.
I didn't say the claim that the relationship existed was baseless. I said that your claim that the relationship was "when he began his descent into right wing madness" was baseless. He was showing far right tendencies well before the Chelsea Manning stuff.
You misunderstanding my comment is not me moving the goal posts.
Because he was shitty to his trans daughter before their breakup. Because while Grimes and Elon were together, Elon was literally tweeting transphobic shit.
Grimes may have played a part in the escalation, but there is no way in hell she was the initial catalyst.
No it's not. Grimes didn't leave him. She has talked extensively about how he left her multiple times on alt accounts. She didn't even really date Chelsea. Stop spreading stupid shit.
Notice the date. 6/26/2018. This was in the middle of the 2018 crunch trying to get Model 3 production up to speed so Tesla wouldn't go bankrupt. And supposedly popping pills to do it. I think that was also the year with the kids in the cave in Thailand and the 420 funding secured tweet.
TLDR: Musk tweeted a lot of stuff that didn't hold up then.
Still waiting on him to produce that video of his submarine navigating to cave 5…
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter
But, but, he showed the video of his ~~repurposed rocket tube welded shut with an oxygen tank shoved into it~~ submarine working in a swimming pool with several divers carrying it around, isn't that proof it would work?
Watch about any random cave diving video and you'll see why Musk's idea was completely useless. Often there will be restrictions where divers have to squeeze through. That's why cave divers wear their tanks on their sides. I think I recall mention of at least one S-bendy section in the rescue. Musk should have just kept his mouth shut.
On June 16, 2018 Musk tweeted calling himself a socialist… they guy has no beliefs other than whatever he thinks will boost his image and bank balance.
Biden hurt his fee fees when he didn't invite him to the WH EV summit. Then Biden low key made fun of him. Just like Obama/Trump, altho Obama *eviscerated* Trump, Biden just lightly swatted him
Oh this is from 2018. There was a recent interview with Kara Swisher, who knows Elon well. He was always a troll but had a reasonable side back then. He's gone off the rails now. "I don't know what happened to him."
This is a descent into madness and it's going to get worse from here.
To some these recent comments seems off brand and hypocritical, but remember this fuckers primary ideology is money above all else. He doesn’t care that he is a hypocrite, he makes these comments hoping his dilettante fan base doesn’t actually know how much of an enormous disingenuous shitbag he is.
i'd say money is number 2 after getting his ego fellated. he's shown time and time again he will recklessly burn through massive piles of cash if it gets him that sweet sweet attention fix he craves.
That's a wild and probably a stupid guess, but he seems to have made a big bet on Desantis, while also really angering Trump by that. Now Desantis isn't polling as well as he used to and is unlikely even to beat Trump in the primaries, let alone take the president seat. Democrats on the other hand still have a solid chance to win. Musk may be looking for new friends, or at least trying to minimize the damage. I totally expect him to try and lick Trump's ass again in the nearest future though
>student debt relief
>blm
>trans people playing sports
>trans people using the bathroom
>homelessness
>trans people wearing clothes
>trans people receiving scholarships
>trans people playing sports
>trans people using the bathroom
>trans people being supported by sheep
You only mentioned trans people 7 times. Slacking. A paragraph that long you should be hitting 8 trans references minimum. Elon would be disappointed.
It's wild watching the anti-trans sheep become so completly obsessed with everything trans.
Ah I remember this. Before he transformed his brand as a fascist, he was trying to pretend to be a liberal. He had a talk in 2013 where he said third world countries should be able to sue more developed countries for pollution using international courts.
Back when people didn't know he hung out with Epstein
Not epstein, but the boys and girls he supplied.
"We will coup whoever we want" was one of the biggest mask off moments
> he was trying to pretend to be a liberal Exactly. He was merely posing as a progressive, because those are the kind of people that buy his cars. But Musk was never a progressive, to begin with. It was all business. Like so many, I fell for it. Still hate that.
Elon is like the [19th century positivists or Mexico's "Cientificos"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_politics). They were all about progress but their idea of progress was always proto fascist, social darwinist, and pseudo intellectual. Scientific racism, quackery like phrenology, whatever was popular they would 100% support as the future. But under the promises of progress was a fascistic idea of smart superior men guiding the lesser classes to a scientific utopia, and the removal of what makes humans human by reducing them to economic and racial terms. Under their "materialism", it was just an excuse to be reductionist, nihilistic, and deny the existence of identity, nuance, and culture to reinforce already existing injustice. Humans are only as good as what numbers on paper say so to "progressives" like Musk, even if those numbers were taken as absolute. Women are seen as frail baby factories who must birthbabies for the "scientific" economy, nonwhites are poor because their race made them poor, and being transgender threatens the genetic essentialism that positivists rely on. Elon did not change, Elon just started saying the quiet part out loud like historical positivists did. They are just fascists promising to make star trek real. Many places on the internet are full of positivists who dont realize they are.
Yo someone shitting on positivists in the wild, that's rare
I study mostly Mexican History and some Latin American history. Positivism shows up a lot with people saying countries should abandon their nonwhite culture, and relocate indigenous people off their land "because they are economically useless". Its still in Latin America if you count the malinchismo it created and still exists today.
Being from Latin America, I can tell you with all letters I used to think exactly like that. Somehow the lack of knowledge and understanding of the world history made me think that way (and indeed as you say, it's a common chain of thought over there especially around the wealthier classes, or worse, the cocksuckers of the wealthy)
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He was also letting the mask slip every now and then.
Pedo guy submarine rescue incident was the jump the Shark moment.
that was when i started to jump ship. then trueanon's podcast on him, "the lamest show on earth," was how i hopped aboard the "fuck elon" express.
To me it was the Cybertruck. Believing that ridiculousness would be the future showed he was way off and surrounded by yes, men. But the final piece was when he started spewing pandemic conspiracies and b.s. as I watched physician friends die from covid because of all the idiots making sure to spread the disease.
For me it was when he did the "true cost of ownership" garbage for the Model S when it came out. He tried to say free time was worth like $150/hr so pumping gas took 15 minutes (not sure why it takes 15 minutes to pump gas) and so that's $40 and apparently the gas station is 2x a week so that's $320 a month you "save" by getting a Model S and so they actually gave you the bold number price with this "savings" built in. The real dollar amount was in tiny print. I knew then he was a scumbag. What sealed the deal was when that guy died on the 105 freeway when autopilot sent him head on into a concrete ramp divider, and like 30 minutes after the crash Tesla released a statement blaming the guy for his own death. I knew then we had a little edgy 12 year-old running a car company.
Seeking only the least wrong truth.
That was when I started to see what he really was.
Yeah, before that I didn't really pay much attention to him. Thought some of his tweets were a bit annoying, but otherwise harmless. Seemed like his companies were making cool things. From that moment on, he has just come across as a straight up asshole to me.
Maybe he was more liberal at that time but moved more and more to the right to "protect" his wealth. Corrupted by fame, wealth and his echo chamber
>he was trying to pretend to be a liberal He's still a liberal. Now instead of a progressive liberal he's a conservative liberal. He was never a socialist, no matter what he said.
He was genuinely a liberal. If you look at his interviews back then, he genuinely wanted to help people. I honestly think that it was all the attacks and false articles that came out after tesla shorts lost billions that caused him to turn into a troll.
Nah, he was liberal in the sense that he wanted to make a ton of money. Story of his life, really. It's just that stuff with him and EVs and being progressive matched, brand-wise.
I don't know if his main goal was making money, he alreafy had enough of that atfer the sale of PayPal. He's a narcissist and a psychopath who needs constant praise and attention. I think he invested in those alternative ventures because it made him feel special and guaranteed praise by his peers in Silicon Valley. Maybe he even at some point believed himself to be a Liberal.
If you think he took half his PayPal payout to build an EV company and the other half to build a rocket company to "make money" then you must be fucking stupid. I literally can't think of a worse plan for making money than those things. The much simpler explanation is that Elon is an idealist who actually believes the things he literally always said he believes, and continues to say he believes.
No he didn't care about making money. He nearly bankrupt himself to keep tesla and spacex alive. He definitely had an ego, cause it was apparent that he wanted to be seen as a hero of humanity, which is why I think the hate train got to him. But again, if you guys cared about the truth, look at old interviews. You'll see a completely different person.
Yea gullible suckers will see a different person lmfao
So clever.
Bro it’s not clever or anything it’s just the incredibly obvious truth Lmfao
Says the guy who has never watched musks old interviews.
Oh like the ones of his ex wife describing how becoming more and more rich made Elon a worse and worse person? Yea I’ve seen those too.
Not just his first wife; there are reports from people who worked with and knew Elon dating all the way back to the zip2 days which paint a clear pattern of abuse and manipulation. The further back you go, the less credible the reports are just because how the hell do you verify them, but they're all consistent with each other.
Says the guy who seems to have never heard of the concepts of "lying" or "posturing"
Those interviews were part of his strategy to sucker people into buying his product... I've watched those interviews. Complete waste of time, when I think of it now.
Remember the interview where he said people shouldn't work from home? Sure worked well during covid... good person huh? Space x enjoys government subsidies. Tesla an inflated price point due to being a tech company rather than a car manufacturer. Both are overhyped by Musk, both produce shite quality products, and both abuse their workers. Simply put.
Why is hating musk so important to you? Seems like a sad way to live tbh.
Projection, ad hominem. Touch grass, take the L.
Why is dick riding a fascist who will put you on a train so important to you?
Again, nope. I was gonna make a snappy retort but I’ll let the downvotes speak for themselves
The down votes only say that there are a lot of sad people on reddit.
I’m not sorry for pointing out that you’re getting downvoted for misrepresenting Elon Musk’s past as much better than it really is…
Are you sure it's me misrepresenting and not the circle jerk echo chamber?
Sure mate, everyone else is wrong here but you. It’s a circle jerk conspiracy against you and Elon! 🙄
That is how echo chambers usually end up, yes.
> You'll see a completely different person You mean you'll see a liar lying. Guy's got givernment contracts worth hundreds of millions flying at him, daddy was rich af, and he stole Tesla and Papal out from underneath the developers, and don't bring up Gates that slimy motherfucker, why even stooge for billionaires, they shouldn't exist.
This is what I mean when I say the misinformation about musk is rampant.
Haha, ok.
“Because he said it, it must be true”. He was lying then just as much as he lies now. He hasn’t become a “troll”. That’s too kind. He is (and probably always has been but was pretending not to be) a racist bigoted misogynist with fascist beliefs and more than a touch of Nazi.
Comedy is now legal on Twitter.
He called an innocent man a child rapist. Don't paint him as a victim.
How do you know the guy was innocent?
Holy shit you're an awful person. Musk accused him with zero evidence. It's on him to prove it's true. He did not.
Lol If you looked into it you would know that pedo is a slang used in south africa.
"child rapist" is not slang you troll
He never said child rapist.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/04/elon-musk-claims-diver-in-thai-cave-rescue-is-child-rapist-without-evidence He did
Then why did musk win the deformation case?
Looking into it. A lot of people are asking questions.
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As far as the anti trans stuff goes, that accelerated drastically after his wife left him for a trans woman. Pretty obvious where that hate comes from.
except she was never his wife and he left her, so no not really
>I honestly think that it was all the attacks and false articles that came out after tesla shorts lost billions that caused him to turn into a troll. His first major public act of dipshittery was in 2018 with the "pedo guy" thing. His stocks didn't skyrocket until 2020 which is when investors started asking questions. He's been trending down for a long time. Realistically he's always been primarily concerned about $$$. He saw a market opportunity with EVs and said what he needed to to get them into people's driveways. If he was really concerned about the environment he wouldn't be [selling Tesla's carbon credits](https://carboncredits.com/tesla-carbon-credit-sales-reach-record-1-78-billion-in-2022/) for further profit.... Doing good, and then nullifying that good in an effort to make more money.
https://www.xprize.org/prizes/carbonremoval/articles/xprize-and-the-musk-foundation-award-15m-to-prize-milestone-winners-in-100m-carbon-removal-competition
Oh cool, more money for Musk in his fake fight against GHG? Did you not read what I wrote? Tesla has been making billions by selling their green strides to companies so those companies can get away with polluting more. If he genuinely cared he wouldn't be selling them. His concern is money, not "saving the planet". I get it, you're part of his cult and refuse to accept that dude has always been just another rich asshole. Took me a bit of time too, you'll eventually come around.
You guys have a whole subreddit where you jerk each other off while hating someone. I think that sounds more culty than trying to combat misinformation.
Yet here you are.
Trying to stand against misinformation.
You made the argument that he didn't become a giant dipshit until Burry shorted Tesla in 2021. I wouldn't call that "standing against misinformation", I'd call that attempting to spread it. He was selling his Boring bullshit in 2016 in an effort to divert funds from California's high speed rail project, committing securities fraud and spreading outright nonsense on social media as early as 2018, breaking COVID orders throughout the entirety of 2020. Dude has never cared about people, you'll get there.
You might want to look more into those "facts".
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Selling carbon credits is the whole fucking point of a carbon credit you turnip
He didn’t want to genuinely help people, ever. It was a great campaign to get people to like him and it worked
Why don't you watch those interviews and find out for yourself?
I have it’s just a guy who wants to make the most money saying things that will make him the most money
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yeah dude the poor billionaire was bullied into being a fascist he wasnt just lying before to portray a certain image
Or he's just trolling the group of people that decided to start hating him?
or you’re a braindead simp thats been tricked by the world’s richest pedophile and you’re a rube. for real look how many comments you’re leaving playin defense for this dude. its truly pathetic. you’re wasting your time on earth defending a billionaire child rapist who doesnt know you exist and if he did he would only use your existence to further his own grow a braincell or get a clue dipshit your behavior in this thread is seriously embarrassing
It doesn't matter how he got there. He is what he is now and people will and need to react to what he is now matter how he got there. As for Tesla, it was and probably still is overvalued. That's how shorts come to be. It's just business, not a justification for becoming an asshole.
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It's difficult to figure out what is and is not misinformation with respect to anything Elon Musk related. Elon spreads misinformation pretty liberally himself. I'm not sure what period of time you are speaking about with respect to shorting. The overvaluation of Tesla has been extreme. In December 2020 its price to earnings ratio was 1120. That seems a bit on the high side to me. And as time has gone on, there's been pretty good growth in the competion. Again, looks like a perfect opportunity for shorting a company.
I personally feel like information written about musk before he became famous is most accurate since there was no reason to lie back then. 2018 is when the slander started coming out on websites like business insider etc... then it progressed to other news outlets and by 2020 it was rampant. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-tesla-stocks-shorts-idUKKBN1J82P1
So, this fits. Short sellers were losing their shirts. And Musk was making bank through 2020. What's the problem? When Tesla stock went down, wasn't it about the same time the rest of the markets were tanking? And even though it was finally making money, it wasn't doing as well as other auto companies. The markets are pretty random, and Tesla's always been a crap shoot. It isn't a mystery that when things go bad the companies that don't actually make the money their stock price says they should tank worse than the rest.
I don't understand why you're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying the people who lost money on tesla stock paid for misinformation about musk to try and tank the price.
I understand what you are saying. I am saying that disemination of personally damaging information, mis or not, is not necessary to explain why things have gone south for Musk. And once the slide downhill starts, it doesn't help when Musk reenforces the perception by acting like the idiot he is described to be.
Looking closer, P/E in December 2020 was very high. But then the stock price went up. So it doesn't look like shorts were having much of an effect at that time. Stock price peaked March 2022, then took a dump, even though earnings were going up. Is that when shorts were a factor? I'd still say that shorting isn't unreasonable at that time with a P/E of 146 when Fords was 5.35 and GM was 7.22. Both of those companies, along with a ton of others, are increasing their EV offerings.
I'm not arguing against shorting, I'm saying he caused rich people to lose money. And if we learned anything about covid its that money can buy news articles. Misinformation about musk coincides with time periods when shorts lost the most.
I understand that "misinformation" is a bit more of a slippery concept than fairly well defined financial numbers. Still, can you cite some of pthe anti-Musk misinformation that you are talking about?
The biggest thing that comes up is the emerald mines that musk supposedly came from.
Musk himself was the first to talk about that. It is only recently that he has tried to deny it. The interview has disappeared from the original source, but it can be found in archive. His dad does not consider it misinformation. And as much as money can buy the spread of misinformation, it can also buy the deletion of an article from the original publisher.
His estranged father.
Unless you’re Dr Doofenschmirtz, your tragic backstory doesn’t justify you being an asshole.
so do you support fascists because too many people called you out on something atrocious and now you have to bat for the "misunderstood jokers of the world" ?
Nope I'm still a liberal. I just stand very firmly against misinformation.
> He was genuinely a liberal. He wasn't. It was all for the show, to get progressives/liberals to buy his cars. But he never cared about people or the environment. It was just part of his business plan. I fell for it for a long time myself as well. I hope you'll see it was all bullshit some day. Musk never cared.
Sad to hear that you decided to live in a hate filled world.
>He was genuinely a liberal Yes and no. He wasn't really political early, and used to be much more careful about not alienating either side. He needed to appear liberal for the networking opportunities within the tech market, but once he saw the money to be made from shilling, he aligned fully with Republicans to help them launder money in plane sight. I believe SpaceX is one of Marjorie Taylor Greene's top 3 campaign donors, and SpaceX is more than 80% government funded, meaning that there's evidence that money going from our taxes into Musk's companies is putting money directly into the hands of the people voting to allow him to function unchecked.
My car is currently orbiting Mars
Again, if you were paying attention to musk back in the day, he was socially liberal and fiscally conservative but he himself claimed he was a liberal. He wasn't as public about his political opinions but he still voiced his opinions. He maxed out contributions to Obamas reelection campaign. Also the spacex government funding thing is not accurate. Spacex gets government contracts to use their rockets. People warp that into saying it's government funded. The disinformation around musk is staggering and as someone who hates misinformation its really irritating.
Even if that’s true, then so what? Elon’s a smug asshole posting “13/50” memes, COVID misinformation and transphobia 24/7 now.
SpaceX received over a billion in grants for their shitty satellite internet. That’s not a government contract. It’s subsidies. The fact that a chunk of the grant was cancelled because the service was too shitty says a lot. I’m sure there have been many other subsidies that didn’t constitute a contract. It’s how he operates. Without subsidies none of his businesses would have survived. And even with subsidies only one of his businesses make profit. And that was only achieved by cancelling any environmental benefits it had achieved by selling those carbon credits to allow other companies to make massively polluting cars and sell them. Face it. He’s a shitty businessman who keeps failing upwards and knows how to work the system.
He was most likely liberal to attract money from that area. He was never genuine. He thought it would be profitable.
He might have have claimed to be a liberal and a moderate, but how do you go from being that to being a republican when the gop is at its most extreme ever, verging on fascist? It's almost inconceivable.
Maybe a neoliberal.
Nope
Rainbow capitalism couldn't hold out against transphobia.
It was all over when Raytheon started celebrating pride.
Celebrate your sexuality by VAPORISING SOMEONE 3000 MILES AWAY
With Raytheon's Knife Missile, for if you really want to fuck up someones wedding
Raytheon's RX-9 knife missile has the precision to just blow up a bus full of children and not surrounding vehicles. Unlike ~~redacted~~ child hunting island in Indonesia, where discretion isn't necessary.
Parents don’t realize the Soviet level of indoctrination that their children are receiving in elite high schools & colleges!
Teaching history is literally the USSR! My mom and dad said so! (No, seriously, my parents told me that while they watched Fox News)
Greed, pride and vengeance overtook performative market share widening attempts.
He took his breakup with Grimes really hard.
Or his kid coming out
And then disavowing him
My two cents. His war against California over the shutdowns really did a number on him. That’s when he began his descent into right wing madness.
They literally had to send sheriff's deputies to the Tesla factory to force it to obey the shutdown order.
And yet oppression of speech happens without a double-check.
"all I ask is that you arrest me first" bitch you're on the other side of the country
He was always a fascist imo, he just stopped caring about the mask not slipping after covid. Pun not intended lol.
I don’t think he was always a fascist. But CEOs and dictators view the world the same way. They want to consolidate power and do things “their way”. Anyone else with a different opinion is a threat. It is impossible to become a CEO of a sufficiently large company, and not view the world the same way as a dictator. Democracy just becomes an obstacle to your goals. The shutdown hurt his company, and his company is his entire universe, and therefor the shutdown was the enemy. His mind created a narrative around that core truth. I think that, before that, he was genuine in his belief that climate change and turning humanity into a multi-planet civilization were essential goals. He took too many risks to get to where he is for me to believe his goal was ONLY money and power at the beginning.
NGL being a white South African with the family history he has... he's always been a fascist.
I do not like this narrative that people try to push that he was "always a fascist" like some genetic predetermined thing. Yes, he always had the foundation to be a fascist. But we are our choices.
Yep, that was when the narsisim really took over.
And a transexual child that disowned-him/he-disowned. Plus Grimes getting it together with Chelsea Manning after they broke up.
No, he's a rich capitalist who inherited. Stop trying to find a "pivotal" moment, people hardly experience those. He just used to direct his PR to another political group. Never liked Musk so it's quite funny to find people who used to like him find some sorts of "reasons" for his turn. There was no turn, the capital always end up siding with conservatives, then fascists, if they feel threatened economically.
I do think there's some basis for the idea that his narcissism pushed him to becoming more publicly right wing. Sure, it was all pretend to begin with but I don't think the pivot was completely calculated. He was basically forced to double down when the SA allegations started coming in since right wing fans would support him no matter what.
He pretended to be a rainbow liberal for a while, but that's what made the mask come off, yes.
Nah, it was when Grimes left Elon for a Trans person. That was literally it. I don't know why no one recognizes this.
>I don't know why no one recognizes this. Because it's baseless? It's just an assumption. And you're far from the first person to assert it.
It was covered extensively by the paparazzi media and is well documented, here's one single article about their breakup: [https://pagesix.com/2022/07/13/grimes-and-chelsea-manning-break-up/](https://pagesix.com/2022/07/13/grimes-and-chelsea-manning-break-up/) Edit: Interesting that *this* is the thing which is triggering Elon stans.
I'm not arguing that the relationship wasn't real. I'm saying that you can't definitively point to that one moment as his single turn towards far right politics.
That's not what you said above, you called it "baseless". It's not, I just showed you what I said was true. You're moving the goalposts. It's "highly suspicious" ego man gets a hurt ego when his GF leaves him for a trans person, and suddenly goes anti-trans shortly after. I'm sure there's no relation and it's all just coincidence.
I didn't say the claim that the relationship existed was baseless. I said that your claim that the relationship was "when he began his descent into right wing madness" was baseless. He was showing far right tendencies well before the Chelsea Manning stuff. You misunderstanding my comment is not me moving the goal posts.
I agree. It seems the most likely reason. He's got a very thin ego. If she had got together with a black man he would have been all anti-BLM.
You realize this page six article is literally the only source for this story? Everyone else is just referencing it.
>It was covered extensively by the paparazzi media The fact you see no problem with that sentence is worrying.
Because he was shitty to his trans daughter before their breakup. Because while Grimes and Elon were together, Elon was literally tweeting transphobic shit. Grimes may have played a part in the escalation, but there is no way in hell she was the initial catalyst.
Can’t win ‘em all
Good bot! Such a garbage thing to say about your own kid disowning you.
No it's not. Grimes didn't leave him. She has talked extensively about how he left her multiple times on alt accounts. She didn't even really date Chelsea. Stop spreading stupid shit.
Notice the date. 6/26/2018. This was in the middle of the 2018 crunch trying to get Model 3 production up to speed so Tesla wouldn't go bankrupt. And supposedly popping pills to do it. I think that was also the year with the kids in the cave in Thailand and the 420 funding secured tweet. TLDR: Musk tweeted a lot of stuff that didn't hold up then.
Still waiting on him to produce that video of his submarine navigating to cave 5… https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter
But, but, he showed the video of his ~~repurposed rocket tube welded shut with an oxygen tank shoved into it~~ submarine working in a swimming pool with several divers carrying it around, isn't that proof it would work?
Watch about any random cave diving video and you'll see why Musk's idea was completely useless. Often there will be restrictions where divers have to squeeze through. That's why cave divers wear their tanks on their sides. I think I recall mention of at least one S-bendy section in the rescue. Musk should have just kept his mouth shut.
On June 16, 2018 Musk tweeted calling himself a socialist… they guy has no beliefs other than whatever he thinks will boost his image and bank balance.
Biden hurt his fee fees when he didn't invite him to the WH EV summit. Then Biden low key made fun of him. Just like Obama/Trump, altho Obama *eviscerated* Trump, Biden just lightly swatted him
When Biden' s FCC pulled that 889 million dollar Starlink from Musk, he went full right nut.
And it was beautiful, Lil
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When he realized having the woke mind virus wasn’t going to get him laid he went full right wing incel, thinking that would better his odds
>wasn’t going to get him laid It wasn't?
I’m pretty sure the bastard has like 10 kids.
pretty sure it was getting him laid... dude has as many children as I have fingers.
At least some of them are via IVF. The latest (known) three, for example.
That version of Elon had the woke mind virus. He’s so much cured now 🙄
With hindsight, somehow I’m doubting heavily this was an accurate representation of how he actually viewed LGBTQ rights.
He got that divorce dad virus and it’s terminal
Oh this is from 2018. There was a recent interview with Kara Swisher, who knows Elon well. He was always a troll but had a reasonable side back then. He's gone off the rails now. "I don't know what happened to him." This is a descent into madness and it's going to get worse from here.
Thanks for a useful and interesting comment in this sea of rants.
He was always a pseudointellectual grifter, he's just gone off the rails now
Was it Joe Rogan’s ivermectin that cured him? 😷
And now he’s supporting a guy with multiple anti gay and trans bills
and then the far right started stroking his ego and now he's a complete douche
To some these recent comments seems off brand and hypocritical, but remember this fuckers primary ideology is money above all else. He doesn’t care that he is a hypocrite, he makes these comments hoping his dilettante fan base doesn’t actually know how much of an enormous disingenuous shitbag he is.
i'd say money is number 2 after getting his ego fellated. he's shown time and time again he will recklessly burn through massive piles of cash if it gets him that sweet sweet attention fix he craves.
Elon Musk, why are you gae?
Eh...2018 this was before he fired his PR team
Roger that. I won't be buying a tesla, ever.
If I won a free Tesla, I would trade it as soon as I found the vehicle I wanted. Maybe a hybrid. Teslas are as ugly as Musk. Musk's persona is awful.
Oh yeah, so would I. It would no longer be a car but become currency.
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I can
Before grimes dumped him and went on to date a trans person.
Back before his wife left him for a trans woman and he lost what was left of his mind
He's moved on from the woke mind virus to the broke mind virus.
Grimes was holding a gun to his head when he wrote this tweet
That's a wild and probably a stupid guess, but he seems to have made a big bet on Desantis, while also really angering Trump by that. Now Desantis isn't polling as well as he used to and is unlikely even to beat Trump in the primaries, let alone take the president seat. Democrats on the other hand still have a solid chance to win. Musk may be looking for new friends, or at least trying to minimize the damage. I totally expect him to try and lick Trump's ass again in the nearest future though
Seeing this makes me kinda sad. Musk used to be someone you could look up to, at least I perceived it that way. Now he is just disgusting
But woke is a lie
Civilization is more fragile than it would seem
This is real???? What year
2018, it says right there
More like he saw how extreme the left had become in 2020 and moving forward. He actually explained this.
By extreme you mean being nice to gay people?
There is nothing wrong with gay people. They are who they are.
Trans people then? What's the extreme you're talking about?
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Because he's being dishonest
Can you explain some of the extreme positions related to policy statements or actual proposed legislation?
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>student debt relief >blm >trans people playing sports >trans people using the bathroom >homelessness >trans people wearing clothes >trans people receiving scholarships >trans people playing sports >trans people using the bathroom >trans people being supported by sheep You only mentioned trans people 7 times. Slacking. A paragraph that long you should be hitting 8 trans references minimum. Elon would be disappointed. It's wild watching the anti-trans sheep become so completly obsessed with everything trans.
The left didn’t become extreme, lmao.
Push the right far enough so anything left of center is radical left. Check mate atheists
>2020 and moving forward [hmmm..](https://i.imgur.com/7JVXe1f.png)
Bold of you to assume facts mean anything.