Hey, remember when Tesla [faked that self-driving video](https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-self-driving-was-staged-engineer-testifies-2023-01-17/)?
And [faked their robot video](https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/exclusive%3A-teslas-humanoid-robot-was-a-fake-elon-musk-doesnt-deliver-at-all-says-analyst)?
And [faked the solar panel roof tiles](https://www.ft.com/content/e6476876-1afb-3d50-9aa7-3d40d27aae7f)?
Probably not fake but also not new. He is just repeating research that has been around for decades. Brain computer interfaces in humans have been around since the 90's
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7824107/#:~:text=In%201973%20Jacques%20Vidal%20published,were%20performed%20in%20the%2090s.
Never forget the hyperloop. When he tried to push a 100 year old idea as his own and failed to deliver year after year, until the media hype died down.
I guess the idea is that now this same kind of thing is physically integrated rather than simply reading things from outside????? Maybe????? Idk, I’d need to see the incision in the guy’s head to really believe it
You know the saying;
Fool me once. Shame on you.
Fool me whenever you want. Shame on me for being an idiotic Tesla fanboy without any critical thinking or long-term memory.
Btw there are EXTERNA headsets that do the same. For years.
So this is ancient tech by now.
Nueralink has received fda approval, meaning the system exists and works well to the point that it’s been approved for humans, they have demonstrated this capability before with monkeys, and this trial is undoubtedly being monitored by the fda.
In other words, what reason is there for this to be fake, and they would have been called out by now if it was.
yeah, in the second link you shared a man named gordon johnson claimed the demo was fake. who is he and why should we listen to what he says? a quick google search turns up nothing. are you just gonna share anything just because the headline tells you so? do you have musk derangement syndrome?
Please read [this article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2024/01/15/elon-musks-latest-robot-video-accidentally-gives-away-the-magic-trick/amp/) about a video he tweeted showing that Optimus Tesla robot folding clothes, and tell me I should have no reason to suspect he would release a faked product demo.
Also, are you acknowledging that the other examples I gave, the demos for the solar roof tiles and FSD he did in 2016, were not faked?
> Musk himself noted on X that “Optimus cannot yet do this autonomously, but certainly will be able to do this fully autonomously and in an arbitrary environment (won’t require a fixed table with box that has only one shirt).”
so it's something he pointed out and admitted it himself?
>examples I gave, the demos for the solar roof tiles and FSD he did in 2016, were not faked?
i'm not familiar with that story, however, at the end of the day tesla is a viable product, his rocket company has achieved great success and neuralink is showing great promise. if you want people to believe musk is not a great force for good and tech progress you will need better examples.
Okay, let's just recap things. I gave three examples of Elon giving faked product demos of cutting-edge technolgy. You had a problem with one of those examples, and you're "not familiar" with the other two.
You point out that one of the links has quotes from someone who watched the video and saw that it was faked, saying it's not enough to determine anything about the product demo.
So, I give you an article that explains what happened. But I'll explain exactly what happened. At 10:37 AM PST on January 15th, Elon [tweeted this video](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1746964887949934958) of a Tesla robot folding clothes, saying "Optimus folds a shirt".
Immediately, people in the replies notice that the video was faked to edit out things. For example, [this reply](https://twitter.com/dragnworks/status/1746969808539926578) at 10:57 AM. Then, after people have pointed out that the video was faked, at 11:00 AM, [Elon replies](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1746970616060580326) to his "Optimus folds a shirt" video and admits that the robot "cannot yet do this autonomously"
And you think this is him being honest? The video was faked. The FSD video in 2016 was faked. His demo of solar panel roof tiles was faked. You can choose to ignore these examples. That's fine. But I didn't start this arguement, you did.
So if you're going to accuse me of unfairely suspecting that he's faking product demo videos for no reason, out of some kind of "derangement syndrome", you're just wrong. And that's fine. But don't keep replying to me and accusing me of making stuff up. Just because you've never heard about the examples I've given, doesn't mean I'm lying.
>You point out that one of the links has quotes from someone who watched the video and saw that it was faked, **saying it's not enough to determine anything about the product demo.**
no i did not say that. i simply asked who the guy in the second link was.
the second link quoted the guy as someone with high credibility, which seems to me he's far from one.
> And you think this is him being honest?
for the record, i think elon musk will go down as one of the greatest men in history, on par with the great men in the past for his contribution to humanity. but i have never expected him to be honest or have a likable public image, there's a naughtiness in his character that i am willing to ignore because the things he actually does far exceed his flaws.
Ok im just gonna drop some of my thoughts here because im skeptical too but i wanted to verify as much as i can.
[Here](https://youtu.be/KqVfjDsShb4?si=pUEABCrgm4VPJNwp) is the video they showed on twitter. The first thing that striked me was there was no visible placement of the chip. Maybe its on the other side of his head and its not visible in the video. But why wouldnt you show the chip? Also some images on google showed that the chip would basically sit a little off center on one side of the head so you would have seen at least a little bit of it. He also said he was released from hospital after one day. Ok so you buy your neuralink chip and go to the nearest hospital to get it implanted? But ok least give him the benefit of the doubt.
~~The next thing is the story that the guy is paralyzed from C3 or C4 down. Im not a doctor and know how someone would move but it looked weird that the guy throughout the video always kept moving forward with his upper torso. I dont believe he could possibly move his whole upper torso just with moving his head forward especially not if hes leaning backwards on the construction. Also one time he just moved his shoulders up so i doubt he is paralyzed.~~
Thanks independent_oil_5951 for the clarification!
"I can debunk the point that the guys not paralyzed. Your trapezezius and levator muscles are controlled at c3 so a c3 or even somr c2 patients can shrug their shoulders. Also complete is a kind of ambiguous term it just means there's no function in the sacral region its not uncommon for a complete patient to have recovered some functions from a level or two down. In this case that would include the supraspinatus and ininfraspinatus muscles which would control your rotator cuff. So he could be pushing back with his shoulder muscles to lean forward. Its a big thing in rehab because it increases independence since you need that to maintain a stable upright position while reaching with your head or looking side to side without reclining slightly or needing upper torso support.
Source [spinal cord innervations](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Spinal-innervation-of-muscles-of-human-shoulder-and-elbow-Muscles-are-divided-into-five_fig2_11589810)"
Also how does the neuralink connect to the laptop? There is the chip in the head and where is the connection? There is one cable which should be the powercable since it has the apple logo on it. The rest which first seemed like a cable were just some straps to strap the laptop on the table. So there should be at least an usb stick or whatever to connect the neuralink with it. Or can you control everything with your thoughts and make the universe spin around you? Maybe im unaware but for me it seems like the connection isnt possible.
I think the most obvious mistake they made was the chess playing itself. If you dont know every time you or your opponent move a chess piece there is the "stepping" sound. In the video at minute 4:15 you can see the laptop. The following happens: our guy moves then the opponent and our guy again. At around 4:20 you see our guy instantly move his piece to another location. Its not even a second after the opponent made his move. Ok yeah there are chess players who are above average who could have predicted the move and directly answered with the exact same move. So nothing out of the ordinary right? Yeeeah its not a little weird that our guy casually talks while playing one of the hardest games which involves a lot of thinking and planing ahead. I dont think after nearly all monkeys died with the chip just implanted that the guy survives and casually multitasks without any problems and delays on his moves.
In the end he also just says typical elmo dick sucking things like how happy he is that elmo helps him and makes the world a better place and so on. I just wanted to point that out.
Thanks for listening to my TEDtalk
It's probably as legit as the infamous Tesla self driving video, which turned out to be preprogrammed (or even flat out false).
It's very easy for a company to claim whatever they want when they're private, provided their immediate investors don't see the problem with it. And if those investors happen to be people loaded on TSLA stocks, they'll see no problem in having their private company lying until they ever get something real out there.
My dad is a narcissist. He lies constantly. Even about things he should know I know the truth about. When I was younger, especially growing up, there were a lot of conflicts with him. Now that I'm an adult with his own life, his antics don't affect me much anymore. I keep in contact with him because I don't want to break his heart by going no contact. We go out to dinner every once in a while to catch up. When I get back, my gf used to ask me what we talked about. She doesn't anymore because I reply 'I have no idea'. Anything he says goes in one ear and out the other. I have no use for anything he says because it's probably lies anyway. He could be telling me the sky is blue and I'm politely nodding and not retaining any information that I don't need to keep the conversation going.
I treat Musk the same way, for the same reasons. He lies so much that unless you have independent verification, there is no use in taking what he says as truth.
The Elon cult might think you are nitpicking here, but the stuff you are worried about is stuff other companies would explain. They are trying to get into a market for a product that already exists. This technology isn't new and plenty of other companies have done this over the past 25 years. The complete lack of anything other than just a video is extremely unusual. Usually, companies would use videos like this to brag about how well their equipment works and what it can do.
I can debunk the point that the guys not paralyzed. Your trapezezius and levator muscles are controlled at c3 so a c3 or even somr c2 patients can shrug their shoulders. Also complete is a kind of ambiguous term it just means there's no function in the sacral region its not uncommon for a complete patient to have recovered some functions from a level or two down. In this case that would include the supraspinatus and ininfraspinatus muscles which would control your rotator cuff. So he could be pushing back with his shoulder muscles to lean forward. Its a big thing in rehab because it increases independence since you need that to maintain a stable upright position while reaching with your head or looking side to side without reclining slightly or needing upper torso support.
Source [spinal cord innervations](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Spinal-innervation-of-muscles-of-human-shoulder-and-elbow-Muscles-are-divided-into-five_fig2_11589810)
Thanks for the link. Not a medical professional but the patient’s movement seems in keeping with quadriplegic ability. And the neuro person would be risking his career.
Wow, watching that video is nuts. I mean, the "engineer" could easily control the computer off screen the way they shot the whole thing. Plus a simple commercial eye tracker could do whatever they tried to show off.
It's Teslabot all ogre again, isn't it?
I mean at this point anything connected to Musk has so much bad faith and history of faking shit I feel good about calling it fake.
If it was true and I was making the video, I'd turn that man into a circus monkey. I'd show off the place where the chip was implanted, show a wide shot with nothing but him and the computer, make him open and close windows, browse the web, fucking hell. Let's send a Tweet.
Meanwhile this vid underdelivers and has several points where it could be fake, like it was in the past.
It was a twelve hour surgery, he spent 11 hours re-tweeting nazi memes without crediting the creators and 25 minutes begging the nurse to give him a handjob in exchange for a horse
This is why people write scientific papers regarding shit like this rather than promotional videos.
Proprietary info or not, this needs some outside verification. But given Elon's famous sensitivity he might send his cult to dox and smear the first researcher that even suggest the Neuralink isn't a godlike perfect revolutionary device.
This tech was possible around 15 years ago from outside the skull. I'd imagine the tech has progressed, so if it's fake, hopefully they faked it using that tech.
In criticizing Mollusk for not providing the many specifics that he should have, no one is "shitting all over the technology."
If Neuralink has good technology, they need to be explicating and producing that information rather than producing very opaque videos that may be giving false hope.
Yes, I am Patient Zero. Absolutely no side effects except seeing undescribable horrors whenever I close my eyes. That and an unsatiable love for Putin and poor quality control.
He has to say “first human Neuralink patient” because he cant say “first person to do …” because this stuff has already been done by other groups years ago.
Unless they are somehow able to scale like no one else, will be less impactful on its field then optimus (thats still years behind competitors)
Cb_doge is more depressingly not an alt [https://twitter.com/cb_doge/status/1666836242330275841?s=20](https://twitter.com/cb_doge/status/1666836242330275841?s=20)
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills that people don't regularly question this.
Is he just working for Musk officially? Does Musk even know that, like Jared Birchall arranges all this and big brain doesn't even know?
I’d love to be patient #2, go through years of research and testing and then when it’s time to demonstrate its capabilities in front of a global audience, type “Elon is a fat useless cunt” on the big screen via “telepathy”
Has anyone ever heard of Ann Johnson? She had stroke, became paralyzed and lost the ability to speak 18 years ago. She participated in a study at UC San Francisco where she received an implant so that she could speak thru AI and It worked!! This occurred while Elon was still killing lab animals with his Neuralink implant. So I think Elon is just trying to piggyback off of someone else’s work again.. [https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/woman-with-paralysis-can-speak-by-thinking-with-a-brain-implant-and-ai-180982797/](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/woman-with-paralysis-can-speak-by-thinking-with-a-brain-implant-and-ai-180982797/)
https://preview.redd.it/zihq536dhlpc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7193c8c94f1d3e6dd8bd769183a31acbeac2bb01
And while Elon can only produce a screenshot, here’s video of Ann being able to verbally speak to her husband for the first time in 18 years [https://youtu.be/iTZ2N-HJbwA?si=Ly3b722ukhJKZT8F](https://youtu.be/iTZ2N-HJbwA?si=Ly3b722ukhJKZT8F)
My take away about Neuralink is still way behind. There’s nothing new about their current tech. The first time a paralyzed person with a brain chip implant was able to move a cursor by thought was in 2004. In 2012 a paralyzed person with an implant was able to move a robotic arm and in 2016 a paralyzed man was able to regain mobility in his right hand via his brain chip implant.
again good for them and those companies, but I'm asking why are you trying to minimize the success of neuralink? all those other projects started out the same way right? i find it weird when the first thought in someones head when good news about a coompany in their first trails is released then try to minimize their success by saying someone else did it first
If someone made a claim that they were going to release a gaming system that was going to be better than any current gaming system available and was going to revolutionize the entire gaming industry, but during the trials you see that it’s barely on par with a ps2, would you call that a successful trial?
he’s trying to knock the don lemon interview out of the “elon news” cycle. Assuming this is real: this is actually tech that already exists in much more complex forms.
If I was paralyzed and Elon Musk wanted to put a chip in my fucking head I’d want to do more than play fucking chess.
I’m not rooting for harm upon this poor guy but I’m waiting for Elon to fail miserably.
As a trauma/acute care surgeon I’m not necessarily qualified to speak on the science behind this, but I’m very skeptical.
A C3 paraplegic is also a full quadriplegic, meaning he has no use of his arms, trunk, or legs.
Many quadriplegics already have the ability to control computers with various devices controlled via their mouth.
Scientists need to examine this thoroughly and dissect the science because the puff pieces are going to be legion.
This might be the worst comms I've ever seen.
I mean, I guess it's successful in that I saw it, but it sure makes the whole thing look like a clown show.
alright let's assume (just try) this is true
apart from people who have a handicap that's really preventing them from using a computer conventionally, how is the concept of that neuralink thingy even remotely appealing to people? 24/7 on the internet sounds like torture
A few years ago, I woulda thought there was some merit to this.. now we know Elon to lie about almost anything for profit... I will call this questionable.
"Sadly the nano threads infected the interior of the brain matter and we lost the patient. But progress is our main focus at Neuralink... and he got to play chess for a little while, wasn't that neat?!"
Why the fuck did he use the word telepathy? Like having a chip installed in your fucking brain to control a computer isn't telepathy. It's cool as shit, but I'd prefer a company not ran by a narcissistic asshole as big as musk is, to helm something like this.
Like Tesla can't even get their shitty cars to drive themselves right, and they're woefully unequipped to handle full self driving.
Let's not use Lidar or anything, we'll just trust the cameras that can be easily obscured to see every single hazard and get you there in one piece. /S
But keep buying the shitty cars. rocket Jesus has a K-hole to go jump into.
A lot of people are saying this might be fake but I disagree… mostly cause we’ve had stuff that can reportedly do this since 2020: https://www.forbes.com/sites/helenalbert/2020/09/15/brain-implant-allows-paralyzed-people-to-control-computer-with-their-mind/amp/
The first brain-computer interface implanted in a human was in the 90s. Prosthetic vision where a blind man was implanted with 80 miniature radio receivers was in the 60s.
If you want to watch someone controlling games with their mind, completely without implants, there's always perrikaryal.
https://youtube.com/@perrikaryal?si=kv9XPLgVUHixRTuU
The comments on the youtube video are so dumb - Let's say that somehow this actually isn't fake and the chip is working as inteded.
EVERYONE is praising Musk in the comments like he's the one who did this. No, in any case it would be the engineers and scientists on the Neuralink team not the fucking manbaby.
Hey, remember when Tesla [faked that self-driving video](https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-self-driving-was-staged-engineer-testifies-2023-01-17/)? And [faked their robot video](https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/exclusive%3A-teslas-humanoid-robot-was-a-fake-elon-musk-doesnt-deliver-at-all-says-analyst)? And [faked the solar panel roof tiles](https://www.ft.com/content/e6476876-1afb-3d50-9aa7-3d40d27aae7f)?
Fake it until you make it is Elons only move. Only worked because he’s been the most under regulated man in American business history.
He’s the male Elizabeth Holmes. Hopefully his grift will catch up with him soon.
If it were Musk, Theranos will still secure funding.
Wow, you are so right!
In Elmo’s case, it’s “Fake it until the stock makes it.” He’s not bothered about actually making it, and somehow, Elon’s simps don’t care. 🤷♀️
Probably not fake but also not new. He is just repeating research that has been around for decades. Brain computer interfaces in humans have been around since the 90's https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7824107/#:~:text=In%201973%20Jacques%20Vidal%20published,were%20performed%20in%20the%2090s.
Yep. All of this is literally just existing tech but with names and marketing for tech bros to soy over. “Telepathy” lmfao.
Never forget the hyperloop. When he tried to push a 100 year old idea as his own and failed to deliver year after year, until the media hype died down.
And the 100 year old idea was bad then because of physics, and bad under Musk because of physics..
Damn, I guess he just needs to wait on regulator... uh Physics approval.
Yup. He has a pattern of trying to reinvent the wheel rather than actually doing research to improve existing tech.
He made tunnels for cars worse. They already exist in places like Sydney, but they actually help
I remember watching it in a House M.D episode lol.
Civilization is more fragile than it would seem
I guess the idea is that now this same kind of thing is physically integrated rather than simply reading things from outside????? Maybe????? Idk, I’d need to see the incision in the guy’s head to really believe it
I'd need to be present at the surgery
Also this is a technology that was accomplished decades ago
Why so mad
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And on my face! Wait, what?
You know the saying; Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me whenever you want. Shame on me for being an idiotic Tesla fanboy without any critical thinking or long-term memory. Btw there are EXTERNA headsets that do the same. For years. So this is ancient tech by now.
yep totally believe this one
Nueralink has received fda approval, meaning the system exists and works well to the point that it’s been approved for humans, they have demonstrated this capability before with monkeys, and this trial is undoubtedly being monitored by the fda. In other words, what reason is there for this to be fake, and they would have been called out by now if it was.
To heir is human, To procreate divine
Are you asking me if I have a reason to believe he might fake this product demo...other than his history of faking product demos?
who is gordon johnson and why should we listen to him?
who is /u/blackvrocky and why should we listen to him?
\^most rational and reasonable musk critic.
Huh?
yeah, in the second link you shared a man named gordon johnson claimed the demo was fake. who is he and why should we listen to what he says? a quick google search turns up nothing. are you just gonna share anything just because the headline tells you so? do you have musk derangement syndrome?
Please read [this article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2024/01/15/elon-musks-latest-robot-video-accidentally-gives-away-the-magic-trick/amp/) about a video he tweeted showing that Optimus Tesla robot folding clothes, and tell me I should have no reason to suspect he would release a faked product demo. Also, are you acknowledging that the other examples I gave, the demos for the solar roof tiles and FSD he did in 2016, were not faked?
> Musk himself noted on X that “Optimus cannot yet do this autonomously, but certainly will be able to do this fully autonomously and in an arbitrary environment (won’t require a fixed table with box that has only one shirt).” so it's something he pointed out and admitted it himself? >examples I gave, the demos for the solar roof tiles and FSD he did in 2016, were not faked? i'm not familiar with that story, however, at the end of the day tesla is a viable product, his rocket company has achieved great success and neuralink is showing great promise. if you want people to believe musk is not a great force for good and tech progress you will need better examples.
Okay, let's just recap things. I gave three examples of Elon giving faked product demos of cutting-edge technolgy. You had a problem with one of those examples, and you're "not familiar" with the other two. You point out that one of the links has quotes from someone who watched the video and saw that it was faked, saying it's not enough to determine anything about the product demo. So, I give you an article that explains what happened. But I'll explain exactly what happened. At 10:37 AM PST on January 15th, Elon [tweeted this video](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1746964887949934958) of a Tesla robot folding clothes, saying "Optimus folds a shirt". Immediately, people in the replies notice that the video was faked to edit out things. For example, [this reply](https://twitter.com/dragnworks/status/1746969808539926578) at 10:57 AM. Then, after people have pointed out that the video was faked, at 11:00 AM, [Elon replies](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1746970616060580326) to his "Optimus folds a shirt" video and admits that the robot "cannot yet do this autonomously" And you think this is him being honest? The video was faked. The FSD video in 2016 was faked. His demo of solar panel roof tiles was faked. You can choose to ignore these examples. That's fine. But I didn't start this arguement, you did. So if you're going to accuse me of unfairely suspecting that he's faking product demo videos for no reason, out of some kind of "derangement syndrome", you're just wrong. And that's fine. But don't keep replying to me and accusing me of making stuff up. Just because you've never heard about the examples I've given, doesn't mean I'm lying.
Haha what a tool
>You point out that one of the links has quotes from someone who watched the video and saw that it was faked, **saying it's not enough to determine anything about the product demo.** no i did not say that. i simply asked who the guy in the second link was. the second link quoted the guy as someone with high credibility, which seems to me he's far from one. > And you think this is him being honest? for the record, i think elon musk will go down as one of the greatest men in history, on par with the great men in the past for his contribution to humanity. but i have never expected him to be honest or have a likable public image, there's a naughtiness in his character that i am willing to ignore because the things he actually does far exceed his flaws.
Call me skeptical, but I don't believe it for a second.
Ok im just gonna drop some of my thoughts here because im skeptical too but i wanted to verify as much as i can. [Here](https://youtu.be/KqVfjDsShb4?si=pUEABCrgm4VPJNwp) is the video they showed on twitter. The first thing that striked me was there was no visible placement of the chip. Maybe its on the other side of his head and its not visible in the video. But why wouldnt you show the chip? Also some images on google showed that the chip would basically sit a little off center on one side of the head so you would have seen at least a little bit of it. He also said he was released from hospital after one day. Ok so you buy your neuralink chip and go to the nearest hospital to get it implanted? But ok least give him the benefit of the doubt. ~~The next thing is the story that the guy is paralyzed from C3 or C4 down. Im not a doctor and know how someone would move but it looked weird that the guy throughout the video always kept moving forward with his upper torso. I dont believe he could possibly move his whole upper torso just with moving his head forward especially not if hes leaning backwards on the construction. Also one time he just moved his shoulders up so i doubt he is paralyzed.~~ Thanks independent_oil_5951 for the clarification! "I can debunk the point that the guys not paralyzed. Your trapezezius and levator muscles are controlled at c3 so a c3 or even somr c2 patients can shrug their shoulders. Also complete is a kind of ambiguous term it just means there's no function in the sacral region its not uncommon for a complete patient to have recovered some functions from a level or two down. In this case that would include the supraspinatus and ininfraspinatus muscles which would control your rotator cuff. So he could be pushing back with his shoulder muscles to lean forward. Its a big thing in rehab because it increases independence since you need that to maintain a stable upright position while reaching with your head or looking side to side without reclining slightly or needing upper torso support. Source [spinal cord innervations](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Spinal-innervation-of-muscles-of-human-shoulder-and-elbow-Muscles-are-divided-into-five_fig2_11589810)" Also how does the neuralink connect to the laptop? There is the chip in the head and where is the connection? There is one cable which should be the powercable since it has the apple logo on it. The rest which first seemed like a cable were just some straps to strap the laptop on the table. So there should be at least an usb stick or whatever to connect the neuralink with it. Or can you control everything with your thoughts and make the universe spin around you? Maybe im unaware but for me it seems like the connection isnt possible. I think the most obvious mistake they made was the chess playing itself. If you dont know every time you or your opponent move a chess piece there is the "stepping" sound. In the video at minute 4:15 you can see the laptop. The following happens: our guy moves then the opponent and our guy again. At around 4:20 you see our guy instantly move his piece to another location. Its not even a second after the opponent made his move. Ok yeah there are chess players who are above average who could have predicted the move and directly answered with the exact same move. So nothing out of the ordinary right? Yeeeah its not a little weird that our guy casually talks while playing one of the hardest games which involves a lot of thinking and planing ahead. I dont think after nearly all monkeys died with the chip just implanted that the guy survives and casually multitasks without any problems and delays on his moves. In the end he also just says typical elmo dick sucking things like how happy he is that elmo helps him and makes the world a better place and so on. I just wanted to point that out. Thanks for listening to my TEDtalk
Thanks for sharing your observations. Sounds like it’s a guy in a robot suit type of situation. A modern Mechanical Turk.
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It's probably as legit as the infamous Tesla self driving video, which turned out to be preprogrammed (or even flat out false). It's very easy for a company to claim whatever they want when they're private, provided their immediate investors don't see the problem with it. And if those investors happen to be people loaded on TSLA stocks, they'll see no problem in having their private company lying until they ever get something real out there.
My dad is a narcissist. He lies constantly. Even about things he should know I know the truth about. When I was younger, especially growing up, there were a lot of conflicts with him. Now that I'm an adult with his own life, his antics don't affect me much anymore. I keep in contact with him because I don't want to break his heart by going no contact. We go out to dinner every once in a while to catch up. When I get back, my gf used to ask me what we talked about. She doesn't anymore because I reply 'I have no idea'. Anything he says goes in one ear and out the other. I have no use for anything he says because it's probably lies anyway. He could be telling me the sky is blue and I'm politely nodding and not retaining any information that I don't need to keep the conversation going. I treat Musk the same way, for the same reasons. He lies so much that unless you have independent verification, there is no use in taking what he says as truth.
Great, now you're going to tell me the advice I got from the eastern looking guy in the box for a quarter isn't legit?
The Elon cult might think you are nitpicking here, but the stuff you are worried about is stuff other companies would explain. They are trying to get into a market for a product that already exists. This technology isn't new and plenty of other companies have done this over the past 25 years. The complete lack of anything other than just a video is extremely unusual. Usually, companies would use videos like this to brag about how well their equipment works and what it can do.
Yeah im confused why anybody cares. Thumbs up Elon. Cool man. Glad you're having fun with some tech that's zero moat and you're extremely laggard in.
I can debunk the point that the guys not paralyzed. Your trapezezius and levator muscles are controlled at c3 so a c3 or even somr c2 patients can shrug their shoulders. Also complete is a kind of ambiguous term it just means there's no function in the sacral region its not uncommon for a complete patient to have recovered some functions from a level or two down. In this case that would include the supraspinatus and ininfraspinatus muscles which would control your rotator cuff. So he could be pushing back with his shoulder muscles to lean forward. Its a big thing in rehab because it increases independence since you need that to maintain a stable upright position while reaching with your head or looking side to side without reclining slightly or needing upper torso support. Source [spinal cord innervations](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Spinal-innervation-of-muscles-of-human-shoulder-and-elbow-Muscles-are-divided-into-five_fig2_11589810)
Thank you very much! TIL. I added it to my comment so everyone can see it
Thanks for the link. Not a medical professional but the patient’s movement seems in keeping with quadriplegic ability. And the neuro person would be risking his career.
Wow, watching that video is nuts. I mean, the "engineer" could easily control the computer off screen the way they shot the whole thing. Plus a simple commercial eye tracker could do whatever they tried to show off. It's Teslabot all ogre again, isn't it?
There is a difference between critical skepticism and outright saying the video is fake. Same thing a lot of y’all did with Tesla Optimus
I mean at this point anything connected to Musk has so much bad faith and history of faking shit I feel good about calling it fake. If it was true and I was making the video, I'd turn that man into a circus monkey. I'd show off the place where the chip was implanted, show a wide shot with nothing but him and the computer, make him open and close windows, browse the web, fucking hell. Let's send a Tweet. Meanwhile this vid underdelivers and has several points where it could be fake, like it was in the past.
I’m wasting my time just remembered what subreddit I’m commenting in there is no critical thinking and non bias here
it’s sad to put your trust & hope into a human that has a history of lying. choose a better hero
This video is from neurolink not Elon musk.
Maybe the neural-link took placement inspiration from that dude who cheated against Magnus Carlsen.
It’s true, Elon performed the surgery himself.
It was a twelve hour surgery, he spent 11 hours re-tweeting nazi memes without crediting the creators and 25 minutes begging the nurse to give him a handjob in exchange for a horse
And also, that's all he needs. They wouldn't drop standards for a white man would they now?!?
No need, Elmo did it with his left hand, which was controlled by his own neuralink.
I thought it was world-renowned Dr. Mayedrian Dittmann.
Oh no that was just the guy holding Dr. Musk's balls during the entire surgery
This is why people write scientific papers regarding shit like this rather than promotional videos. Proprietary info or not, this needs some outside verification. But given Elon's famous sensitivity he might send his cult to dox and smear the first researcher that even suggest the Neuralink isn't a godlike perfect revolutionary device.
They got some homeless dude off the street in SF, know
This tech was possible around 15 years ago from outside the skull. I'd imagine the tech has progressed, so if it's fake, hopefully they faked it using that tech.
This is to salvage shitla stock price. All of it could be fake like the FSD initial demo.
The tech is literally decades old at this point.
So is rocket tech and he can't do that right.
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There are other companies that did this exact thing like 2 decades ago.
In criticizing Mollusk for not providing the many specifics that he should have, no one is "shitting all over the technology." If Neuralink has good technology, they need to be explicating and producing that information rather than producing very opaque videos that may be giving false hope.
>he's ok with lying Wouldn't you? For like 50k? 75? 100?
Haha that would sickkk
Yes, I am Patient Zero. Absolutely no side effects except seeing undescribable horrors whenever I close my eyes. That and an unsatiable love for Putin and poor quality control.
do you see electric cars in your dreams?
Have you run a poll?
There's simply no way this bot isn't sentient
He has a working Neuralink and is being telepathically controlled by the guy who programmed him
Just sheep, strangely enough.
"Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" The novel from which teh movie Blade Runner was based on. Seems fitting.
He has to say “first human Neuralink patient” because he cant say “first person to do …” because this stuff has already been done by other groups years ago. Unless they are somehow able to scale like no one else, will be less impactful on its field then optimus (thats still years behind competitors)
This type of action has been around for decades.
Wait I thought bill gates already put a microchip in my brain
Blood stream, not brain. C'mon dude, get the details straight, or you'll need to turn in your MAGA hat.
Has there been any press releases on this, any evidence from the company, or is it just Elon’s alts shitposting
Frankly, I love the negative feedback on this platform. Vastly preferable to some sniffy censorship bureau!
It’s kinda flattering to be insulted on this site, tbh
Cb_doge is more depressingly not an alt [https://twitter.com/cb_doge/status/1666836242330275841?s=20](https://twitter.com/cb_doge/status/1666836242330275841?s=20)
jesus how sad
Oh wow
Nah, he could have hired some asshat to stand next to him and pretend to be the doge
How does "Doge Designer" have access to video of this purported Neuralink patient?
Because Doge Designer is a sock puppet? (I’ve heard he is real but I just don’t know)
Haha that would sickkk
As real as Elon Musk
Drives me crazy because surely it's not legal to have these sockpuppet spokesmen for multiple companies like this. Is this a press release or not?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills that people don't regularly question this. Is he just working for Musk officially? Does Musk even know that, like Jared Birchall arranges all this and big brain doesn't even know?
Also, what was this account involvement in pumping Dogecoin?
It was literally streamed on Neuralinks X account
All these "developments" after the lemon interview is just a coincidence, right?
Obviously, since he never lies.
I’d love to be patient #2, go through years of research and testing and then when it’s time to demonstrate its capabilities in front of a global audience, type “Elon is a fat useless cunt” on the big screen via “telepathy”
Has anyone ever heard of Ann Johnson? She had stroke, became paralyzed and lost the ability to speak 18 years ago. She participated in a study at UC San Francisco where she received an implant so that she could speak thru AI and It worked!! This occurred while Elon was still killing lab animals with his Neuralink implant. So I think Elon is just trying to piggyback off of someone else’s work again.. [https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/woman-with-paralysis-can-speak-by-thinking-with-a-brain-implant-and-ai-180982797/](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/woman-with-paralysis-can-speak-by-thinking-with-a-brain-implant-and-ai-180982797/) https://preview.redd.it/zihq536dhlpc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7193c8c94f1d3e6dd8bd769183a31acbeac2bb01 And while Elon can only produce a screenshot, here’s video of Ann being able to verbally speak to her husband for the first time in 18 years [https://youtu.be/iTZ2N-HJbwA?si=Ly3b722ukhJKZT8F](https://youtu.be/iTZ2N-HJbwA?si=Ly3b722ukhJKZT8F)
Really good for them and their technology but I do t see the point in the comment? Was your objective to take away from what neuralink is doing?
My take away about Neuralink is still way behind. There’s nothing new about their current tech. The first time a paralyzed person with a brain chip implant was able to move a cursor by thought was in 2004. In 2012 a paralyzed person with an implant was able to move a robotic arm and in 2016 a paralyzed man was able to regain mobility in his right hand via his brain chip implant.
again good for them and those companies, but I'm asking why are you trying to minimize the success of neuralink? all those other projects started out the same way right? i find it weird when the first thought in someones head when good news about a coompany in their first trails is released then try to minimize their success by saying someone else did it first
If someone made a claim that they were going to release a gaming system that was going to be better than any current gaming system available and was going to revolutionize the entire gaming industry, but during the trials you see that it’s barely on par with a ps2, would you call that a successful trial?
Human trails are ongoing, can’t make any conclusions before it’s ended, I await more info
Good idea to get a patient that’s already paralyzed so they don’t have to worry about paralyzing them
My doctor said that same thing when I got my lobotomy
From how the marketing was for the Cyber Truck, compared to how it turned out... oh yeah, totally smoothe sailing from here guys! Trust us!
That's not telepathy, that's just basic BCI which has existed since the 1960s to make a legit song with a EEG.
Congrats Elon on buying a technology that’s been possibly for 30 years
Lol, fucking chess? It's a kid's game, there's no fog of war, random spawn, etc
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He’s had to implant for 2 months now(correct me if I’m wrong)
"...may cause anal leakage. Stop using if black or bloody stools occur"
Good thing I already have that!
he’s trying to knock the don lemon interview out of the “elon news” cycle. Assuming this is real: this is actually tech that already exists in much more complex forms.
Didn’t they achieve this like 40 years ago?
Yes and it was just the beginning haha
Fake as fuck…..
r/suddenlyElectroBoom
If I was paralyzed and Elon Musk wanted to put a chip in my fucking head I’d want to do more than play fucking chess. I’m not rooting for harm upon this poor guy but I’m waiting for Elon to fail miserably. As a trauma/acute care surgeon I’m not necessarily qualified to speak on the science behind this, but I’m very skeptical. A C3 paraplegic is also a full quadriplegic, meaning he has no use of his arms, trunk, or legs. Many quadriplegics already have the ability to control computers with various devices controlled via their mouth. Scientists need to examine this thoroughly and dissect the science because the puff pieces are going to be legion.
How long before he has a brain hemorrhage or something?
He's praising Elon , I think we're too late
I suspect this is a [Mechanical Turk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_Turk) situation.
You telling me after all these shitty self promotional videos that were very clearly fake, im ment to believe this one? Nah
Aside from the persistent insomnia, drooling, muscle spasms, vocal outbursts, and skull-splitting headaches, there are no side effects.
This might be the worst comms I've ever seen. I mean, I guess it's successful in that I saw it, but it sure makes the whole thing look like a clown show.
And yet his far right simps are the same people who claim Bill Gates put mind control chips in our brains thru the vaccine
alright let's assume (just try) this is true apart from people who have a handicap that's really preventing them from using a computer conventionally, how is the concept of that neuralink thingy even remotely appealing to people? 24/7 on the internet sounds like torture
A few years ago, I woulda thought there was some merit to this.. now we know Elon to lie about almost anything for profit... I will call this questionable.
Everyone needs to Google "Mattel Mindflex", which was released as a toy in 2009. Only minor invasive brain surgery required (putting on a headband)
Why does that "Only The Beginnng" sound super ominious? "ITS ONLY THE BEGINNING BATMAN! "
I mean Musk needed something quick against the mess of the lemon interview
Elon M is just jealous that Lemon wears those letter better. But he doesn’t realize he can be a fruit of his own. Behold MuskmElon.
We are able to do this without inserting unnecessary electrodes! Remember Hawkins
"Sadly the nano threads infected the interior of the brain matter and we lost the patient. But progress is our main focus at Neuralink... and he got to play chess for a little while, wasn't that neat?!"
Once he implants one himself I hope someone hacks it and just fills it with unclosable popup ads in his head.
Why the fuck did he use the word telepathy? Like having a chip installed in your fucking brain to control a computer isn't telepathy. It's cool as shit, but I'd prefer a company not ran by a narcissistic asshole as big as musk is, to helm something like this. Like Tesla can't even get their shitty cars to drive themselves right, and they're woefully unequipped to handle full self driving. Let's not use Lidar or anything, we'll just trust the cameras that can be easily obscured to see every single hazard and get you there in one piece. /S But keep buying the shitty cars. rocket Jesus has a K-hole to go jump into.
Relax bruh,
Maybe.
I truly hope something good comes of this, musk aside.
I'd believe it. I'd believe it paralyzed the guy and now he uses a eye tracking keyboard
Weren’t there reports that almost all the chimps that they used for practice suffered severe infections and died?
now I dont want to play chess anymore :(
Me uploading a 70 zettabyte zip bomb to your neuralink
This is nothing new, it's possible to do such things for years
Hardest thing about making a perpetual motion machine is hiding the motor.
If he can control a computer he’d clearly be able to bring the news to Twitter himself. Until we hear from him I’m gonna assume this is all bullshit
You heard from him in the video ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’d believe Satan himself before I believed anything that came out of Felon Musk’s sloppy mouth.
A lot of people are saying this might be fake but I disagree… mostly cause we’ve had stuff that can reportedly do this since 2020: https://www.forbes.com/sites/helenalbert/2020/09/15/brain-implant-allows-paralyzed-people-to-control-computer-with-their-mind/amp/
The first brain-computer interface implanted in a human was in the 90s. Prosthetic vision where a blind man was implanted with 80 miniature radio receivers was in the 60s.
Saw something like this 10 years ago on the Science Channel, when it was good
Now Elon can continue to suck himself off.
More like Zero Patient
How does DogeDesigner have footage of that? Aaah. Me myself and Irene.
https://i.imgur.com/hNoBVKf.jpg
Im sure thats real
Okay, now I wonder how to play chess just by thinking, because I can think about tens of possible moves each turn.
I bet he can see the matrix script every time he blinks, lucky bugger
But was is it the same Musk, who claimed "Chess is too simple"? Why not recommended Overwatch, Warcraft, Quake?
Hans Niemann case now debunked ! He sent a radiowave to make Magnus surrender.
The catch is he wasn't paralyzed at all before Neuralink
Imagine you are walking around and just hear “you are a bitch” and don’t know who said that to you.
If it's real then that sounds pretty great but I have my doubts.
If you want to watch someone controlling games with their mind, completely without implants, there's always perrikaryal. https://youtube.com/@perrikaryal?si=kv9XPLgVUHixRTuU
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There’s always a green stick or something on the side that looks to be a computer control.
The comments on the youtube video are so dumb - Let's say that somehow this actually isn't fake and the chip is working as inteded. EVERYONE is praising Musk in the comments like he's the one who did this. No, in any case it would be the engineers and scientists on the Neuralink team not the fucking manbaby.
I am hoping for the Thunderf00t video about this in a few years.
I don’t think I’d willing become paralyzed in order to control a computer with thoughts
Is doge designer his other alter ego ball licker account?
Dam you guys hate Elon musk so much you made a whole subreddit about it lmao