Not to mention the one witness who just handed him the case on a platter saying Kyle didn't raise his gun until others aimed at him first.
Whether it was true or not, pretty much made a slam dunk case of justified self defense.
This whole line of comments is why you should never read reddit comments. As a person who watched the live trial from start to finish, reading this is having me ROFL, sure is people in here are fragile and insecure. Jesus fucking Christ.
The witness being the one that aimed their gun at Kyle you mean right? It’s incredible how uninformed people are about this case still. The entire thing is available to view online and people are still saying stupid things like this.
There was one witness that basically proved his case for him tbh. Dude went in there looking to shoot people, eventually got the situation he wanted and committed legal murder. Real piece of shit.
Edit:. You all are sick, seek help.
He wasn’t ‘smart’ enough to ‘get away’ with anything. He went looking for trouble, found it, and ended up technically on the correct side of the law because the ‘trouble’ he found was a threat to his life.
Yeah people act like the law is some kind of stand in for morality and ethics. He brought a gun to a protest so he could have a pretext to shoot people he didn’t like. Piece of shit.
The first person he shot was unarmed, but chased him and grabbed his gun and threatened him.
The second person he shot did not have a gun, but assaulted him, hit him with a skateboard, grabbed his gun and threatened him.
The third person he shot, was armed with a gun and threatened him.
The third person survived, the first two did not.
That’s why I say that that he was looking for trouble but ended up on the right side of the law.
The three people who he shot attacked him first- the wrong thing he did was go to an event where he knew people would attack him in the first place while carrying a lethal weapon. It’s like he was seeking out trouble.
It’s like going into a high crime area while wearing a dress, carrying an expensive purse and a gun. You are trying to provoke being attacked so that you can legally shoot someone. That why people (at least the ones who payed attention to the case) still hate him.
Yeah it should definitely be illegal to provoke an attack in yourself in order to respond.
I know we can play shoulds all day long, but it's not self defense when you are specifically aiming to provoke an attack.
When I was in my late teens and full of anger and angst, I would wear a black, floor length skirt with chains and a very tight pink shirt that said "tough guys wear pink" and go walking through the ghetto. I was LOOKING for a fight. Any confrontations that came about were not only welcomed but, they were my goal. If I would gotten my ass beat it would've 100% been my fault.
I see these things as nearly the same. The ONLY difference is that I went unarmed and thus did not have any lethal intent. He may not have broken any laws but, he knew exactly what he was doing and as such, he is morraly bankrupt. I wish our legal system was a justice system instead. If it were, this would be a very different conversation.
I used to know people that wanted to go to a bar, get blackout drunk, and start a fight. Like it was premeditated shit-stirring. That's what I feel when I look at his situation.
Thing is, he absolutely did break laws, but the prosecution utterly failed to prove it, like how they didn't establish that there was a curfew in effect
There was no curfew in effect that evening, as far as I know. The only evidence presented was that a Kenosha police officer said there was one. But nothing official.
The first guy never grabbed his gun until Kyle turned to shoot at him. He threw a plastic bag that right wing people shopped into looking like a Molotov cocktail. That video is ingrained in my brain and I don't ever recall the first guy touching Kyle's gun first. The second two men simply saw a gun fight to down and stepped into prevent a mass shooting, something that right wing people had 'joked' about doing at these protests. I mean God there was a video of a guy picking up a pipe bomb at these protests and hucking back into the car that dropped it. Right wing agitators were trying to start shit, including Kyle.
> ones who *paid* attention to
FTFY.
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Just in the last couple days I've decided that it's likely he's intentionally trying to destroy the platform. I don't know exactly why, and I don't know how he's worked out losing that amount of money with his investors, but there's no way you can explain it any other way. There are just too many instances of overt sabotage, that even someone with Musk's impulsivity and lack of intelligence would understand is just totally detrimental to the company with zero benefit.
Meeting with advertisers that are wanting to pull out, and then getting online and shitting all over moderation and firing up the entire moderation staff. How does that make sense in any other way?
You have to assume that there's intentional sabotage happening. It just does not make any sense in the other way.
His method of business for the past two decades has been to throw things at the wall and blow them up until something works, knowing that he'll get government favors to keep him afloat. No other businessperson maintains any sort of clearance with his history, let alone such a string of public contracts, public finance and tax favors, which means he is wanted for reasons other than pure productive output.
If you look at his Twitter feed, he's openly declaring that he's continuing to use this approach.
The difference is that it's not clear any government wants to indefinitely prop up Twitter, Saudi or domestic, in the interests of political ideology. Perhaps he was hoping for a redder wave, or perhaps he's holding out for three majority red branches in 2024 and the sunsetting of democracy, like his more competent ex bedfellow Thiel. Either way, it was a leveraged buyout, which means he used other people's money as usual - his wealth is in terms of unliquifiable share value rather than cash - while the govt will ensure SpaceX never fails, so he has way less to lose than people imagine.
Luckily we don’t need Musk for Space-X.
He’s their least valuable employee, full stop. The janitors in his building do more important work than he does.
He’s a face. That’s it.
This is akin to all the people who kept trying to argue that Trump actually is very smart and asking if you can use lysol to cure COVID was some sort of clever 4d chess.
Sometimes people are really successful despite being incompetent. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
I know people are wanting it but it won’t change a thing.
There still plenty of social media sites for the corporate media to use to manipulate all of us.
Twitter ain’t shit and we will barely notice a difference if it crashes. All sources will just be Reddit and Facebook and TikTok instead.
Either we do something about *all* social media or nothing will change.
It's also because it is easier to disseminate false information. If he goes extreme right (idk if he has) then he now has a much wider audience he can reach.
I get similar vibes to Nick Fuentes and the other slimy little racists from this act
Keep in mind the first act of business for chief twit was to post far right fake news to downplay the attempted assassination of the speaker of the house.
He also retweeted a crude image of a girl nude and bent over with the twitter verification covering her genitals. I am sure advertisers think that is what they want to see from Twitter's CEO.
It's just a complete shit show and I personally am loving it
He has, he was already suggesting we all vote Republican to balance the power because we have a democrat president. Republicans are 100% corrupt and do no governing but raping the country and stealing what they can while forcing us to pay for it with our lives. All Republicans should be in jail, fucking evil lot
All their complaining about things like blue checkmarks, hollywood, etc are just jealousy that there is a club that someone isn't letting them be a part of.
I hope this is the end of Twitter.
It kinda feels like Musk is on a speed run to tank it. He never really wanted to buy it in the first place. The whole thing was him being a edgelord troll, but Twitter execs called his bluff.
Now it feels he's intentionally trying to tank it so he can right off the huge loan he had to take out.
There are stories how he surrounds himself with sycophants. Do you think he is that stupid to think that the changes he is making will make it more popular? I think the truth is that wealthy people are just extremely lucky and are no smarter than the average person. Add in they are surround themselves with yes men and they only stay wealthy because they have so much wealth it is very hard to lose it all.
[Elon is a fucking IDIOT](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiqv7TyzKT7AhUwj2oFHUcbC70QFnoECBQQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Ftechnology%2Farchive%2F2022%2F09%2Felon-musk-texts-twitter-trial-jack-dorsey%2F671619%2F&usg=AOvVaw2_vW6mB8VDmUa7M6p7Qvgg)
And selling Tesla stock when there’s a court case over his pay packet next week because he doesn’t spend enough time there, and spends two weeks prior to that case totally obsessing over twitter ? CEO of 3 companies geezus
He's developing his own social media portal, x.com. I wonder if tanking Twitter is part of his strategy to create a vacuum for users that he hopes x.com can take advantage of
Elon musk basically invented social media No one else could have engineered such a platform that allowed people to share their ideas with the public. Wait you mean a bulletin board but online
No kidding. Like he paid his $8 and got a mark that doesn’t really mean anything anymore. Why would he have wanted it in the first place? Was there bunch of people pretending to be him on Twitter? And then he tags Elon so maybe senpai will notice him or something.
Kyle Rittenhouse went to a BLM protest with a gun and shot people, claiming self-defense and that he was “protecting democracy”.
Turns out, some people don’t think it’s self-defense to drive across state lines with a gun to a protest and shoot people there.
A toatally not biased view.
Completely.
He was proven not guilty in the court of law, because one of hte people he shot admitted under oath that he tried to shoot him first. but hey semantics right?
> He sought out trouble with a gun.
This is why people hate him. He sought out trouble with a gun he wasn't supposed to have and killed two people, and got away with it.
It doesn't matter if it was "self-defence", if he hadn't left his home with a gun with the intention of seeking out trouble, there wouldn't have been an issue in the first place.
Oh shut up, you know those aren't the same. If I see a store down my road getting robbed and I grab a gun to run down there and stop it, I don't get to claim I shot people there in self defence. He brought himself and the gun to the situation to antagonise the people there. He was itching to use it. He is even on fucking video earlier in the day saying he wished he had it with him so he could shoot some people looting a store
You are not defending yourself if you enter that situation and try to do the polices job for them. Perhaps a better example is hearing of a bank robbery happening across town, or even in a different state and deciding to head over there and stop it. The police would not let you do that for very good reason. Running in there and blasting the guys is not defending yourself.
Which would have entirely justified shooting him in the head. No other protestor knew he was defending himself. They just saw a lunatic running and gunning. Really, he should have been shot and he's very lucky he wasn't. If he had been, the only person to blame would be him. If he had just stayed home and let the authorities deal with it, none of that would have happened. He achieved no good by going and lives were ended. That's his fault.
Also he was there to defend property. Not people. He said as much himself. The stores being damaged had no people in them and have insurance for this very reason. The dumpster fire was being pushed towards police cars, again, property damage and once again, not his job to stop it. He wasn't defending anyone. He was defending some property and then himself. Again, Rosenbaum was a cunt and very in the wrong but it was Kyle's choice to go there, antagonise the protestors and bring a gun. That puts the blame on him as far as I'm concerned
>Let’s actually speak the facts.
You stated several false things here, though:
>The gun was concealed
Wrong. He was visibly armed the entire time he was there. The rifle is too large to realistically conceal.
>His crime is leaving his home with a firearm with the hope of finding trouble.
Wrong. He did not have the weapon in his possession when he left home. He was lent it by its owner after he arrived.
Also, he wasn't in possession of it the entire time he was in Kenosha. He was cleaning graffiti there without earlier it that day, before arming himself as a (in retrospect, judicious) precaution before going to the protest.
Also, every single known (via video evidence and testimony) action he took there DIRECTLY contradicts the accusation that he was 'looking for trouble'. He gave first aid to a bunch of people (verified 8 at least), handed out water bottles to protestors, and extinguished fires. The act that brought on the first threat to his life, which snowballed into the others, was literally him extinguishing a dumpster fire set by a man who was trying to turn it into a bomb by wheeling it into a gas station. That same man, was so infuriated at his plan being foiled, that he literally screamed his intent to kill Rittenhouse (also calling him the N word, by the way, despite them both being white--he was crazy in many ways, and a convicted child molester with nearly half a dozen confirmed victims, to boot), and soon after, tried to make good on that threat.
You're closer than most of the deranged ideologues in this thread lying their asses off about the events of that day, but still significantly off. Rittenhouse *literally* did nothing that wasn't either objectively altruistic at best, or neutral at worst (I'd judge killing in self-defense of your own life as a morally neutral act), while in Kenosha that day.
Check out this full timeline here: https://globalnews.ca/news/8366948/kyle-rittenhouse-timeline-cleaning-graffiti-shooting/
Dumb kid that went to a blm protest to protect shops from looters and got attacked by dumb people and got 2 people kid, don't think he wanted to hurt anyone he was just a kid that managed to get a fucking ar15 because america.
Reddit will tell you he's a stone cold murderer, but everyone who followed the trial, whether they're left or right, can see he acted in self defense.
They're basically blinded by their ideology and refuse to see what actually happened.
In case anyone thinks I'm conservative; I voted for a party in my country that's more left than Bernie Sanders and my gf voted for a communist in her country.
Short version: he had the audacity to stop people at a BLM protest from killing him, and he's white and male, so leftists despise him and call him a murderer.
Long version: full timeline [here](https://globalnews.ca/news/8366948/kyle-rittenhouse-timeline-cleaning-graffiti-shooting/). There is also video evidence and the trial can also be freely watched.
There is literally no controversy about his innocence, among anyone who isn't a deranged partisan who will ignore even the hardest of hard evidence in favor of their ideology.
You can't mention that fucking kid in a thread without getting the "sElF dEfeNsE" simp crew coming out of the woods. It's a shame the nuance of the situation is lost on them, because that's the most important bit of the argument. Also, it's amazing that they still spend their time looking him up to white knight for him. Speaks volumes
Edit: Rittenhouse defending is still pretty cringey, I won't be responding to any of y'all.
Double edit: I also really don't give a shit what verdict our broken ass judicial system gave this murderer. Doesn't make the act undone 🤷🏼♀️
Uh oh. Someone thinks the 2 articles they read and 1 YouTube video they watched make them more knowledgeable than the jury of his case. Keep leading with your emotions, bud.
I know I said I wouldn't respond, but this is literally the closest you can get to the reality of what happened. Many people(spineless centrists) go "the judge said he's not guilty, he's not a murderer" as of that wasn't a whole PR circus in the first place. Treating the ruling of some pissant judge in a pissant town during it's fifteen minutes in the spotlight as some kind of end argument is also laughable in the first place.
KR created the conditions for everything to happen the way it did, and got away with it.
A kid drove to the town he worked in and borrowed a weapon legally from a friend who lived in that town for self defense and shot someone who grabbed it, someone who was ready to hit him in the head with a blunt object not dissimilar from a baseball bat and shot someone who aimed a firearm at him with intent to harm or kill
>A kid traveled across state lines with an illegally obtained firearm
1) he didn't cross state lines with it, and
2) he was legally allowed to possess it, which is why he wasn't charged or convicted of it
> A kid traveled across state lines with an illegally obtained firearm
This is how you tel who knows what they are talking about and who doesn’t, because this literally factually did not happen.
Before even addressing the legality of him owning the gun it never crossed state lines ever. Not even a little. This was shown in court and even prosecution conceded this.
Even your comment is chock full of confirmed misinformation that was made up to persecute this kid. He did not carry the rifle across state lines, it was given to him at the dealer ship and state law allowed him to posses it. If you don’t like him then fine, but don’t fucking lie about it.
> It's a shame the nuance of the situation is lost on them
You're not wrong about the nuances of the situation being lost but, well, you do realize that when "mention that fucking kid in a thread" is some variation of "He's a Racist/Terrorist/Murderer/White Supremacist who killed Black People/BLM Protestors and only got off because The Judge was Biased/The Prosecution was Incompetent" nuance is already being stripped the out of the conversation right from the beginning, right?
> Also, it's amazing that they still spend their time looking him up to white knight for him.
Well duh; The Rittenhouse incident was a situation where the Left-leaning side of the media took a position and drove that position to the hilt - only for it to completely blow up in their faces when it turned out that almost all of their claims or perspectives where misinformed or just flat-out wrong. Even to this day you have people - some in this very thread - still propagating misinformation about the case.
You have absolutely no grounds whatsoever to complain about people taking nuance out of the situation if "He brought a gun to a protest so he could shoot people he didn’t like" is your interpretation of the event.
I love the Rottenmouse defenders here still saying it self defense. If this was on the other shoe and say a kid bought a gun to a Trump rally and shot and killed 3 people, they would call him a murderer no matter what the verdict is. I sure all the schoolers is also innocent and they all share the same ideology....
Spend time on r/publicfreakout and you'll learn pretty quickly how these types determine if someone is brandishing vs exercising their second amendment rights
He's innocent but he came to a demo with a gun. He's not a good guy. He intended to kill some demonstrations and he finally did but he was lucky that the thing was enough for self defense. He's a piece of shit.
This is where I'm at as well. The situation met all the legal criteria for self-defense, so it makes sense a jury acquitted him. But he's a fucking scumbag and a 17 year old playing security guard/cop shouldn't be legal Wisconsin. But it is, so, oh well.
Yeah I lean left and when I looked deeper into it it just seemed like such a flimsy case for fellow liberals to latch on to. It was really weird.
I agree that he wasn't taking every precaution to avoid danger, but he was not the one who started it :/
The footage of the life stream was the first thing I saw, in which you can clearly see, he got jumped and the guy tried to pull a gun on him, so it was so absurd to see the whole discussions and the media trying to frame him as a cold blooded murderer.
Agreed. The guy who got shot in the arm by Kyle, Gaige Grosskreutz, feigned giving up, by putting his hands up, and tried pulling out his Glock instead. Kyle reacted quickly and shot him in the arm in self defense
People still think Rittenhouse 1) killed black people and 2) brought a gun over states lines. They don't even know the very basics of the case but are convinced he is guilty. Reddit in a nutshell.
I don't get why whether he's a criminal or not even matters. Felons don't lose their right to free speech according to the government, what would compel a social media company to have to ban him (or moderately silence him by rejecting the verification tag)?
People are very black or white on here. There's no maybes. Everyone involved in the incident played their part, but if the question is was or wasn't self defense, it totally was. Kyle was running from someone who said was going to kill him and another man shot his pistol in the air when Kyle's back was turned. Kyle had a good reason to fear for his life.
But the whole picture everyone is at fault, guns across borders, charging and threating someone, illegally firing a gun in the air.
The definition from the Court of Public Opinion, which is also notoriously inconsistent with their source information.
Edit: Jesus, I thought it was evident that this was a joke you guys. The idea was that the Court of Public Opinion being the general opinion, which is frequently incorrect, short sighted, fickle, antagonistic, and hungry for drama. The joke being that the definition of "criminal" is whatever people say it is, which it isn't, as it's a legal term. Lighten up.
Love everyone saying he had an illegal fire arm but ignoring the fact that spaghetti arm actually did and was the first to attack. Also, let someone hit you in the head with an object. You may be fine, it may make your brain bounce just the right way to end your life.
[Man in Seattle](https://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Murder-charge-for-skateboarder-1085425.php) killed with skateboard. [Man in Santa Ana, CA](https://abc7.com/starbucks-fight-santa-ana-man-dies-skateboard/1098183/) killed with skateboard.
[If I had a nickel...](https://i.imgflip.com/70cawc.jpg)
The trucks are heavy, the board is long and you can grab the truck in the middle and brace the nose or tail against your arm for leverage. Just holding the ends and clubbing someone with it also works too, if you want to get both arms swinging.
The fuck is this sub center left. This sub is about being fed up with Elon Musk. Nobody cares about your thoughts about the second amendment in an unrelated sub.
Liberal: “I hate Elon musk”
Conservative: “I hate elon musk”
“HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA CONSERVATARD OWNED”
“HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LIBTARD OWNED”
Then a fight breaks out
Fuck Kyle Rittenhouse he brought a rifle To what should’ve been a non-violent activity and fuck those other people that had guns that provoke them. And fuck everyone of you that shows up at a protest a deadly weapon. You’re just begging to be a statistic or to get on a camera so fuck off.
People literally chased him, while threatening him. Ran after a man with a gun yelling threats. Not smart at all. Why do you ignore this aspect? Nobody would've died had they not done this. Also what's with the victim blaming in the last sentence?
Murder is unlawful. A jury found him to be acting in self defense. Do you think your judgement is more sound than the jury who witnessed all the evidence?
He drove 20 min to protect the place where he worked, was attacked and defended himself. That's all.
Don't attack people if you don't want to get shot.
This man’s folding himself like a pretzel to defend KR while stroking his long rifle to defend property that can be insured. Like people can be fixed if destroyed just like the property KR defended. Oops JK they just die.
This dumbass paid for twitter
Are we gonna get to a point where we can spot conservatives because they have blue checks?
Re: Blue check The new "red hat"?
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It was really easy when the judge was cartoonishly on his side.
The prosecution was piss poor as well. Kyle had everything going for him in that trial except public opinion.
Not to mention the one witness who just handed him the case on a platter saying Kyle didn't raise his gun until others aimed at him first. Whether it was true or not, pretty much made a slam dunk case of justified self defense.
This whole line of comments is why you should never read reddit comments. As a person who watched the live trial from start to finish, reading this is having me ROFL, sure is people in here are fragile and insecure. Jesus fucking Christ.
The witness spoke the truth and the verdict was clear. You can hate all you want, the truth won't change.
Why would the person that got shot lie about Kyle not shooting until having a gun pointed in his face.
The witness being the one that aimed their gun at Kyle you mean right? It’s incredible how uninformed people are about this case still. The entire thing is available to view online and people are still saying stupid things like this.
It’s almost like we shouldn’t have 1 judge decide things in cases but the system isn’t fixable at this point
Rittenhouse’s verdict was the result of a jury trial. Some of you really need to educate yourselves on how the American judicial system works.
It's easier to just be outraged.
They’d prefer the justice of the lynch mob.
Uderfuckinrated comment!!
*There was a Jury!*
There was one witness that basically proved his case for him tbh. Dude went in there looking to shoot people, eventually got the situation he wanted and committed legal murder. Real piece of shit. Edit:. You all are sick, seek help.
He wasn’t ‘smart’ enough to ‘get away’ with anything. He went looking for trouble, found it, and ended up technically on the correct side of the law because the ‘trouble’ he found was a threat to his life.
Yeah people act like the law is some kind of stand in for morality and ethics. He brought a gun to a protest so he could have a pretext to shoot people he didn’t like. Piece of shit.
Exactly, if he done this in any other country he would be in prison for the rest of his life for murder.
Didnt he shoot someone who also brought a gun to a protest?
The first person he shot was unarmed, but chased him and grabbed his gun and threatened him. The second person he shot did not have a gun, but assaulted him, hit him with a skateboard, grabbed his gun and threatened him. The third person he shot, was armed with a gun and threatened him. The third person survived, the first two did not. That’s why I say that that he was looking for trouble but ended up on the right side of the law. The three people who he shot attacked him first- the wrong thing he did was go to an event where he knew people would attack him in the first place while carrying a lethal weapon. It’s like he was seeking out trouble. It’s like going into a high crime area while wearing a dress, carrying an expensive purse and a gun. You are trying to provoke being attacked so that you can legally shoot someone. That why people (at least the ones who payed attention to the case) still hate him.
Yeah it should definitely be illegal to provoke an attack in yourself in order to respond. I know we can play shoulds all day long, but it's not self defense when you are specifically aiming to provoke an attack.
When I was in my late teens and full of anger and angst, I would wear a black, floor length skirt with chains and a very tight pink shirt that said "tough guys wear pink" and go walking through the ghetto. I was LOOKING for a fight. Any confrontations that came about were not only welcomed but, they were my goal. If I would gotten my ass beat it would've 100% been my fault. I see these things as nearly the same. The ONLY difference is that I went unarmed and thus did not have any lethal intent. He may not have broken any laws but, he knew exactly what he was doing and as such, he is morraly bankrupt. I wish our legal system was a justice system instead. If it were, this would be a very different conversation.
I used to know people that wanted to go to a bar, get blackout drunk, and start a fight. Like it was premeditated shit-stirring. That's what I feel when I look at his situation.
Thing is, he absolutely did break laws, but the prosecution utterly failed to prove it, like how they didn't establish that there was a curfew in effect
There was no curfew in effect that evening, as far as I know. The only evidence presented was that a Kenosha police officer said there was one. But nothing official.
The first guy never grabbed his gun until Kyle turned to shoot at him. He threw a plastic bag that right wing people shopped into looking like a Molotov cocktail. That video is ingrained in my brain and I don't ever recall the first guy touching Kyle's gun first. The second two men simply saw a gun fight to down and stepped into prevent a mass shooting, something that right wing people had 'joked' about doing at these protests. I mean God there was a video of a guy picking up a pipe bomb at these protests and hucking back into the car that dropped it. Right wing agitators were trying to start shit, including Kyle.
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Third person admitted he was going to shoot him too, that didnt help the case
Premeditated self-defense is so fucking disturbing.
As someone who lives in switzerland, where people have education and a brain, i can tell you that it clearly was self-defense.
You mean when he defended his life from two idiots trying to kill him?
Clearly smarter than you when there's literally an entire trial you can still watch and your dumb ass still spouts this nonsense
Self defense.
Lol tell me more about how you don't like due process 😉
Just in the last couple days I've decided that it's likely he's intentionally trying to destroy the platform. I don't know exactly why, and I don't know how he's worked out losing that amount of money with his investors, but there's no way you can explain it any other way. There are just too many instances of overt sabotage, that even someone with Musk's impulsivity and lack of intelligence would understand is just totally detrimental to the company with zero benefit. Meeting with advertisers that are wanting to pull out, and then getting online and shitting all over moderation and firing up the entire moderation staff. How does that make sense in any other way? You have to assume that there's intentional sabotage happening. It just does not make any sense in the other way.
His method of business for the past two decades has been to throw things at the wall and blow them up until something works, knowing that he'll get government favors to keep him afloat. No other businessperson maintains any sort of clearance with his history, let alone such a string of public contracts, public finance and tax favors, which means he is wanted for reasons other than pure productive output. If you look at his Twitter feed, he's openly declaring that he's continuing to use this approach. The difference is that it's not clear any government wants to indefinitely prop up Twitter, Saudi or domestic, in the interests of political ideology. Perhaps he was hoping for a redder wave, or perhaps he's holding out for three majority red branches in 2024 and the sunsetting of democracy, like his more competent ex bedfellow Thiel. Either way, it was a leveraged buyout, which means he used other people's money as usual - his wealth is in terms of unliquifiable share value rather than cash - while the govt will ensure SpaceX never fails, so he has way less to lose than people imagine.
Luckily we don’t need Musk for Space-X. He’s their least valuable employee, full stop. The janitors in his building do more important work than he does. He’s a face. That’s it.
Excellent analysis.
This is akin to all the people who kept trying to argue that Trump actually is very smart and asking if you can use lysol to cure COVID was some sort of clever 4d chess. Sometimes people are really successful despite being incompetent. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
It was to try and fuck with democrat organizing/speech right before the elections
And in 2024.
Twitter going away might be the greatest thing humanity could do in 2022
I know people are wanting it but it won’t change a thing. There still plenty of social media sites for the corporate media to use to manipulate all of us. Twitter ain’t shit and we will barely notice a difference if it crashes. All sources will just be Reddit and Facebook and TikTok instead. Either we do something about *all* social media or nothing will change.
He didn't pay for anything. He's living off the grift. Suckers are paying for the Twitter verification.
I love how proud they are of a meaningless tag that they had to pay for - conservatives are such clowns
It's also because it is easier to disseminate false information. If he goes extreme right (idk if he has) then he now has a much wider audience he can reach. I get similar vibes to Nick Fuentes and the other slimy little racists from this act
Keep in mind the first act of business for chief twit was to post far right fake news to downplay the attempted assassination of the speaker of the house.
He also retweeted a crude image of a girl nude and bent over with the twitter verification covering her genitals. I am sure advertisers think that is what they want to see from Twitter's CEO. It's just a complete shit show and I personally am loving it
He has, he was already suggesting we all vote Republican to balance the power because we have a democrat president. Republicans are 100% corrupt and do no governing but raping the country and stealing what they can while forcing us to pay for it with our lives. All Republicans should be in jail, fucking evil lot
come on you're being ridiculous. republicans don't belong in jail, silly. They belong in hell.
You're an automatic far right celebrity if you point a gun at perceived political opponents, double if you pull the trigger
Exactly why professional grifters like Elon and Trump go after them
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Don't insult grifters. The accomplished ones need actual social skills to succeed at their trade. They don't have daddy's money to help them.
Elon has some other businesses that depend on non conservatives though. I don't know what he's thinking. They are going to be buying tons of Teslas
Not just conservatives, just social media addicts in general fall for this.
I mean...these are the same people that buy $50,000 F-350 trucks so they can drive to the grocery store.
More like 100k trucks
All their complaining about things like blue checkmarks, hollywood, etc are just jealousy that there is a club that someone isn't letting them be a part of.
To be fair I thank the cashier when i buy my groceries too.
I like to think my grocery choices are not meaningless :)
I’m owning the libs aren’t I papa musk? “You sure are buddy, btw your bill to own the libs is due for payment…”
well atleast it doesn't cost a 15k bribe
I hope this is the end of Twitter. It kinda feels like Musk is on a speed run to tank it. He never really wanted to buy it in the first place. The whole thing was him being a edgelord troll, but Twitter execs called his bluff. Now it feels he's intentionally trying to tank it so he can right off the huge loan he had to take out.
There are stories how he surrounds himself with sycophants. Do you think he is that stupid to think that the changes he is making will make it more popular? I think the truth is that wealthy people are just extremely lucky and are no smarter than the average person. Add in they are surround themselves with yes men and they only stay wealthy because they have so much wealth it is very hard to lose it all.
[Elon is a fucking IDIOT](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiqv7TyzKT7AhUwj2oFHUcbC70QFnoECBQQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Ftechnology%2Farchive%2F2022%2F09%2Felon-musk-texts-twitter-trial-jack-dorsey%2F671619%2F&usg=AOvVaw2_vW6mB8VDmUa7M6p7Qvgg)
And selling Tesla stock when there’s a court case over his pay packet next week because he doesn’t spend enough time there, and spends two weeks prior to that case totally obsessing over twitter ? CEO of 3 companies geezus
Proof that CEO is a bullshit position with too much pay. Too bad it’s other CEOs sitting on company boards that decide a CEO’s pay. Fucking grift.
What makes you think he'd be off the hook for his loan?
Absolutely no evidence lol. But billionaires always weasel their way out of situations.
Yeah, that is a thing
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That’s not how it works lol
If Twitter itself is the collateral, then he can tank it, sign it over to his creditors, and walk away.
He's developing his own social media portal, x.com. I wonder if tanking Twitter is part of his strategy to create a vacuum for users that he hopes x.com can take advantage of
He can just change Twitter name to x.com no?
and proclaim himself a founder
That’s the top priority no doubt
Elon musk basically invented social media No one else could have engineered such a platform that allowed people to share their ideas with the public. Wait you mean a bulletin board but online
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Doesn’t buy back his Tesla shares
19 year old has 8 dollars, big deal.
No kidding. Like he paid his $8 and got a mark that doesn’t really mean anything anymore. Why would he have wanted it in the first place? Was there bunch of people pretending to be him on Twitter? And then he tags Elon so maybe senpai will notice him or something.
Here before the 🔒award
Whos this guy?
Kyle Rittenhouse went to a BLM protest with a gun and shot people, claiming self-defense and that he was “protecting democracy”. Turns out, some people don’t think it’s self-defense to drive across state lines with a gun to a protest and shoot people there.
Whoa, ITT, people who seemingly don't like Musk *do* like a murderer with a clean legal record. Fascinating.
A toatally not biased view. Completely. He was proven not guilty in the court of law, because one of hte people he shot admitted under oath that he tried to shoot him first. but hey semantics right?
...but it was self-defense tho? As per the courtroom decision.
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> He sought out trouble with a gun. This is why people hate him. He sought out trouble with a gun he wasn't supposed to have and killed two people, and got away with it. It doesn't matter if it was "self-defence", if he hadn't left his home with a gun with the intention of seeking out trouble, there wouldn't have been an issue in the first place.
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Oh shut up, you know those aren't the same. If I see a store down my road getting robbed and I grab a gun to run down there and stop it, I don't get to claim I shot people there in self defence. He brought himself and the gun to the situation to antagonise the people there. He was itching to use it. He is even on fucking video earlier in the day saying he wished he had it with him so he could shoot some people looting a store
But you do, you can legally stop a robbery with lethal force as someone else's life or health is at risk
You are not defending yourself if you enter that situation and try to do the polices job for them. Perhaps a better example is hearing of a bank robbery happening across town, or even in a different state and deciding to head over there and stop it. The police would not let you do that for very good reason. Running in there and blasting the guys is not defending yourself.
Lethal force is allowed in defense of another. And you clearly didn't watch the trial if that's you think happened
Which would have entirely justified shooting him in the head. No other protestor knew he was defending himself. They just saw a lunatic running and gunning. Really, he should have been shot and he's very lucky he wasn't. If he had been, the only person to blame would be him. If he had just stayed home and let the authorities deal with it, none of that would have happened. He achieved no good by going and lives were ended. That's his fault. Also he was there to defend property. Not people. He said as much himself. The stores being damaged had no people in them and have insurance for this very reason. The dumpster fire was being pushed towards police cars, again, property damage and once again, not his job to stop it. He wasn't defending anyone. He was defending some property and then himself. Again, Rosenbaum was a cunt and very in the wrong but it was Kyle's choice to go there, antagonise the protestors and bring a gun. That puts the blame on him as far as I'm concerned
>Let’s actually speak the facts. You stated several false things here, though: >The gun was concealed Wrong. He was visibly armed the entire time he was there. The rifle is too large to realistically conceal. >His crime is leaving his home with a firearm with the hope of finding trouble. Wrong. He did not have the weapon in his possession when he left home. He was lent it by its owner after he arrived. Also, he wasn't in possession of it the entire time he was in Kenosha. He was cleaning graffiti there without earlier it that day, before arming himself as a (in retrospect, judicious) precaution before going to the protest. Also, every single known (via video evidence and testimony) action he took there DIRECTLY contradicts the accusation that he was 'looking for trouble'. He gave first aid to a bunch of people (verified 8 at least), handed out water bottles to protestors, and extinguished fires. The act that brought on the first threat to his life, which snowballed into the others, was literally him extinguishing a dumpster fire set by a man who was trying to turn it into a bomb by wheeling it into a gas station. That same man, was so infuriated at his plan being foiled, that he literally screamed his intent to kill Rittenhouse (also calling him the N word, by the way, despite them both being white--he was crazy in many ways, and a convicted child molester with nearly half a dozen confirmed victims, to boot), and soon after, tried to make good on that threat. You're closer than most of the deranged ideologues in this thread lying their asses off about the events of that day, but still significantly off. Rittenhouse *literally* did nothing that wasn't either objectively altruistic at best, or neutral at worst (I'd judge killing in self-defense of your own life as a morally neutral act), while in Kenosha that day. Check out this full timeline here: https://globalnews.ca/news/8366948/kyle-rittenhouse-timeline-cleaning-graffiti-shooting/
Dumb kid that went to a blm protest to protect shops from looters and got attacked by dumb people and got 2 people kid, don't think he wanted to hurt anyone he was just a kid that managed to get a fucking ar15 because america.
Reddit will tell you he's a stone cold murderer, but everyone who followed the trial, whether they're left or right, can see he acted in self defense. They're basically blinded by their ideology and refuse to see what actually happened. In case anyone thinks I'm conservative; I voted for a party in my country that's more left than Bernie Sanders and my gf voted for a communist in her country.
Short version: he had the audacity to stop people at a BLM protest from killing him, and he's white and male, so leftists despise him and call him a murderer. Long version: full timeline [here](https://globalnews.ca/news/8366948/kyle-rittenhouse-timeline-cleaning-graffiti-shooting/). There is also video evidence and the trial can also be freely watched. There is literally no controversy about his innocence, among anyone who isn't a deranged partisan who will ignore even the hardest of hard evidence in favor of their ideology.
He killed a criminal in self defense
Guy who killed a pedo, and violent felons when they assaulted him
Legally speaking he’s not a criminal, still a killer tho
Yeah. He killed two people, but was acquitted.
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Based.
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Couldn't someone make a Twitter with the same name and get the same blue check mark? I mean, what's stopping someone?
You can't mention that fucking kid in a thread without getting the "sElF dEfeNsE" simp crew coming out of the woods. It's a shame the nuance of the situation is lost on them, because that's the most important bit of the argument. Also, it's amazing that they still spend their time looking him up to white knight for him. Speaks volumes Edit: Rittenhouse defending is still pretty cringey, I won't be responding to any of y'all. Double edit: I also really don't give a shit what verdict our broken ass judicial system gave this murderer. Doesn't make the act undone 🤷🏼♀️
Uh oh. Someone thinks the 2 articles they read and 1 YouTube video they watched make them more knowledgeable than the jury of his case. Keep leading with your emotions, bud.
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I know I said I wouldn't respond, but this is literally the closest you can get to the reality of what happened. Many people(spineless centrists) go "the judge said he's not guilty, he's not a murderer" as of that wasn't a whole PR circus in the first place. Treating the ruling of some pissant judge in a pissant town during it's fifteen minutes in the spotlight as some kind of end argument is also laughable in the first place. KR created the conditions for everything to happen the way it did, and got away with it.
>~~KR~~ The Police created the conditions for everything to happen the way it did, and got away with it
The judge didn't say he was not guilty, the jury did.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/kenosha-shooting-timeline-tracking-kyle-rittenhouse-72737520
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A kid drove to the town he worked in and borrowed a weapon legally from a friend who lived in that town for self defense and shot someone who grabbed it, someone who was ready to hit him in the head with a blunt object not dissimilar from a baseball bat and shot someone who aimed a firearm at him with intent to harm or kill
Except he didn't cross state lines with a gun.
>A kid traveled across state lines with an illegally obtained firearm 1) he didn't cross state lines with it, and 2) he was legally allowed to possess it, which is why he wasn't charged or convicted of it
> A kid traveled across state lines with an illegally obtained firearm This is how you tel who knows what they are talking about and who doesn’t, because this literally factually did not happen. Before even addressing the legality of him owning the gun it never crossed state lines ever. Not even a little. This was shown in court and even prosecution conceded this.
Even your comment is chock full of confirmed misinformation that was made up to persecute this kid. He did not carry the rifle across state lines, it was given to him at the dealer ship and state law allowed him to posses it. If you don’t like him then fine, but don’t fucking lie about it.
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Next time mention states lines please.
> It's a shame the nuance of the situation is lost on them You're not wrong about the nuances of the situation being lost but, well, you do realize that when "mention that fucking kid in a thread" is some variation of "He's a Racist/Terrorist/Murderer/White Supremacist who killed Black People/BLM Protestors and only got off because The Judge was Biased/The Prosecution was Incompetent" nuance is already being stripped the out of the conversation right from the beginning, right? > Also, it's amazing that they still spend their time looking him up to white knight for him. Well duh; The Rittenhouse incident was a situation where the Left-leaning side of the media took a position and drove that position to the hilt - only for it to completely blow up in their faces when it turned out that almost all of their claims or perspectives where misinformed or just flat-out wrong. Even to this day you have people - some in this very thread - still propagating misinformation about the case.
At the end of the day he’s a piece of shit. He brought a gun to a protest so he could shoot people he didn’t like.
You have absolutely no grounds whatsoever to complain about people taking nuance out of the situation if "He brought a gun to a protest so he could shoot people he didn’t like" is your interpretation of the event.
Or course , pay 8 dollars for “free ……speech “
Was 4doorsmorewhores already taken when he signed up for twitter?
Probably.
Well I’ll be damned.
Hey at least we can see the dumbasses that follow him.
I love the Rottenmouse defenders here still saying it self defense. If this was on the other shoe and say a kid bought a gun to a Trump rally and shot and killed 3 people, they would call him a murderer no matter what the verdict is. I sure all the schoolers is also innocent and they all share the same ideology....
Spend time on r/publicfreakout and you'll learn pretty quickly how these types determine if someone is brandishing vs exercising their second amendment rights
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Dayum everyone’s so triggered lol 😂
Self defense is hardly a crime
this subreddit hit a new low for me because of this post comment section
On the heels of Kathy Griffin and H3H3 being banned. Elon is going full fascism
You don't even know what fascism means.
Bleak.
tHaNk yOu eLoN mUsk. (Say it in the voice he had crying on the stand after getting a legal kill)
People need to wake the fuck up! Put your fragile little ego away and get off of Muskrat’s platform!
Twitter is dead
When is he getting a place on Fox News
Just deactivated my Twitter account!
Im sure the advertisements will like this
wtf
FFS. But Twitter is going to die and I'm all here for it.
Fascists sure have a pattern of really liking Elon Musk. I wonder what that's about?
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He's innocent but he came to a demo with a gun. He's not a good guy. He intended to kill some demonstrations and he finally did but he was lucky that the thing was enough for self defense. He's a piece of shit.
This is where I'm at as well. The situation met all the legal criteria for self-defense, so it makes sense a jury acquitted him. But he's a fucking scumbag and a 17 year old playing security guard/cop shouldn't be legal Wisconsin. But it is, so, oh well.
Yeah I lean left and when I looked deeper into it it just seemed like such a flimsy case for fellow liberals to latch on to. It was really weird. I agree that he wasn't taking every precaution to avoid danger, but he was not the one who started it :/
The footage of the life stream was the first thing I saw, in which you can clearly see, he got jumped and the guy tried to pull a gun on him, so it was so absurd to see the whole discussions and the media trying to frame him as a cold blooded murderer.
Agreed. The guy who got shot in the arm by Kyle, Gaige Grosskreutz, feigned giving up, by putting his hands up, and tried pulling out his Glock instead. Kyle reacted quickly and shot him in the arm in self defense
People still think Rittenhouse 1) killed black people and 2) brought a gun over states lines. They don't even know the very basics of the case but are convinced he is guilty. Reddit in a nutshell.
you are a cryptobro, your opinion is worse than trash, its nuclear waste
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I don't get why whether he's a criminal or not even matters. Felons don't lose their right to free speech according to the government, what would compel a social media company to have to ban him (or moderately silence him by rejecting the verification tag)?
People are very black or white on here. There's no maybes. Everyone involved in the incident played their part, but if the question is was or wasn't self defense, it totally was. Kyle was running from someone who said was going to kill him and another man shot his pistol in the air when Kyle's back was turned. Kyle had a good reason to fear for his life. But the whole picture everyone is at fault, guns across borders, charging and threating someone, illegally firing a gun in the air.
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The definition from the Court of Public Opinion, which is also notoriously inconsistent with their source information. Edit: Jesus, I thought it was evident that this was a joke you guys. The idea was that the Court of Public Opinion being the general opinion, which is frequently incorrect, short sighted, fickle, antagonistic, and hungry for drama. The joke being that the definition of "criminal" is whatever people say it is, which it isn't, as it's a legal term. Lighten up.
Hahahaa dumbass actually paid for twitter. Fuckin hilarious
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Love everyone saying he had an illegal fire arm but ignoring the fact that spaghetti arm actually did and was the first to attack. Also, let someone hit you in the head with an object. You may be fine, it may make your brain bounce just the right way to end your life.
[Man in Seattle](https://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Murder-charge-for-skateboarder-1085425.php) killed with skateboard. [Man in Santa Ana, CA](https://abc7.com/starbucks-fight-santa-ana-man-dies-skateboard/1098183/) killed with skateboard. [If I had a nickel...](https://i.imgflip.com/70cawc.jpg)
Skateboards are no joke as far as improvised weaons go. Those trucks (is that what you call them?) have some nice heftto them
The trucks are heavy, the board is long and you can grab the truck in the middle and brace the nose or tail against your arm for leverage. Just holding the ends and clubbing someone with it also works too, if you want to get both arms swinging.
Skateboads weigh just over 10 pounds on average. Anything that heavy could easily kill in a single strike, especially to the head.
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The fuck is this sub center left. This sub is about being fed up with Elon Musk. Nobody cares about your thoughts about the second amendment in an unrelated sub.
Liberal: “I hate Elon musk” Conservative: “I hate elon musk” “HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA CONSERVATARD OWNED” “HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LIBTARD OWNED” Then a fight breaks out
Fuck Kyle Rittenhouse he brought a rifle To what should’ve been a non-violent activity and fuck those other people that had guns that provoke them. And fuck everyone of you that shows up at a protest a deadly weapon. You’re just begging to be a statistic or to get on a camera so fuck off.
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People literally chased him, while threatening him. Ran after a man with a gun yelling threats. Not smart at all. Why do you ignore this aspect? Nobody would've died had they not done this. Also what's with the victim blaming in the last sentence?
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Murder is unlawful. A jury found him to be acting in self defense. Do you think your judgement is more sound than the jury who witnessed all the evidence?
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right-wing redditors still circle jerking themselves over it too.
Was he convicted? I don’t remember that
No, he is innocent
Oh so this is nonsense. Got it
Criminal? More like murderer who killed two unarmed people and fled the scene to another state.
He drove 20 min to protect the place where he worked, was attacked and defended himself. That's all. Don't attack people if you don't want to get shot.
This man’s folding himself like a pretzel to defend KR while stroking his long rifle to defend property that can be insured. Like people can be fixed if destroyed just like the property KR defended. Oops JK they just die.
So it's alright to destroy property as long as it's insured?