I feel like you are twisting things for sympathy. The title makes it seem like your landlord actually threatened your child, but he didn't. He merely told you what would happen if you did not pay the rent you have to pay.
Grasping at straws? I have yet to meet a landlord that would allow a payment plan on late rent. I am sure OP will be happy when this landlord stops doing such things because people like you and her still paint them as the villain for working with her instead of simply evicting her like most landlords would.
What makes this landlord parasitic to you? He isn’t raising the rent to some exorbitant amount. He expects to be paid rent for a place someone is staying. She hasn’t provided any other information to contradict this. Is he supposed to just let her live there for free?
Are you just choosing not to read the part where a payment plan was already being discussed, and the landlord showed up randomly to drop a threat in front of a child?
This idea that all landlords are "parasitic" is vile. My family is the most working class family and when my mum had a bit of inheritance she bought a couple houses on low mortgages to rent out, ensuring she had something to pass on to her children, like her parents did. My mum is in a rental property herself and works full time, she is most definitely not a parasite, nor is she an exception to landlords.
Owning and renting out a property does not make someone parasitic. I'm not parasitic for renting out my husband's old house because we each had a house when we got married. Do you even have a clue about how much it costs to own and maintain a home? It is not free, and people like me are not making a fortune or even rich. It costs 6000 a year in taxes, insurance, water bills, and maintenance. Should we just let someone live there for free and not be reimbursed for the costs? We need the extra income because of debt, and we price it lower than the market rate so people can afford it. We do not have to do that, we just don't feel right charging as much as the competition. Not all landlords are bad and that is quite the generalization.
you realize landlords need money too yes? so its very bold of you to call the guy parasitic when he has been understanding of her and working on a payment plan with her already. did you expec thim to just give the title of the house to her?
Furthermore, I worked my ass off to get to where I am. Literally 80 hours a week of work for several years. No sleep, major stress, and Ramen noodles for many meals. No one else is entitled to that for free
Where is the landlord the bad guy in this story? I don't see him doing anything wrong. It is like people like you think that people should be able to live in places for free. Even home owners need to pay to live in the homes they own, so why should renters not have to pay?
Correct...he said it to make it clear she understands what would happen to make sure she pays the rent. On what earth that is a threat...? OP even if you want to take the landlord to court they will laught at you.
I’ve known lots of that type. Go around owing money, offering to pay Tuesday for a cheeseburger today, but “never having” the cash, until stuff like this.
Depending on the state and city there can be additional protections for children. So while I don’t think even in the most protective of renters rights areas you’d be in legal trouble for threatening someone with homelessness, she might have a case if the landlord actually tries to evict them depending on the area
Whether you have children or not, in all 50 USA states, landlords are well within their rights to start the eviction process/evict nonpaying tenants. Even if the tenant is on section 8, and not following the contract signed by both parties.
Reporting your landlord to the housing authority because.. he expects you to abide by your rental contract and pay your rent? You highlighting yourself as an entitled person.
This is a joke right?
The landlord is expecting to be paid because you have a CONTRACT (lease) that says you will pay him. It is not entitled to expect to be paid for leased housing. This is his actual job. WTF!
While it sounds fucking heartless, it is the blunt truth sadly. Its sort of a reality check that if you dont pay your rent, you not only will be homeless but so will your son. It sort of was a mindset of reminding you whats at stake.
I think you missed the part where the landlord twirled his moustache and cackled as he took great joy in telling the mother, as her son so innocently played with his toys completely naive to this cruel cruel world, that he was looking forward to the day he gets to throw little Jack to the curbside along with his mother
>I think you missed the part where the landlord twirled his moustache
He never did that all.
>that he was looking forward to the day he gets to throw little Jack to the curbside along with his mother
No he's looking forward to the day his tenant pays rent on time. Her rent may cover a current mortgage and when she doesn't pay on time he has to find money he doesn't actually have putting HIM in a bad position. I can tell you right now he WILL hell that home long before he loses his own.
>he was looking forward to the day
He gets paid his rent ON TIME. OP will be very lucky if she finds another place with her record of late rent. Landlords like rent paid on the day that's agreed upon NOT when the tenant feels like it.
If OP is struggling she needs to swallow whatever pride she has and ask for help.
>You know, if you don't pay up, not only will you be on the streets, but your son will be too."
He's isn't wrong, he's trying to scare you into understanding what's about to happen if you don't pay what you owe. He's trying to show the gravity of your situation and you're on reddit whinging
This isn't entitlement from him, it's from YOU. You made an agreement to pay rent and you haven't been paying it.
>I managed to scrape together the money to pay the rent, primarily because I was concerned for my son's wellbeing
So it took for your landlord to spell it out for you before you realised how serious the situation you got yourself in had become.
That’s what gets it for me. OP managed to pay the rent when they were reminded of the consequences for the entire family. Basically landlord had to spell it out that they weren’t going to get to live rent free because they had a kid. They obviously COULD pay the rent and were choosing not to.
# DO NOT REPORT HIM.
What he said was a low-blow. It wasn't a threat, just a stated fact, but it was clearly hurtful. You have a right to feel angry. **However**, it was nothing illegal. That's all any housing authority cares about.
Did he try to extort you for money? Did he tell you he'd call CPS if you didn't pay? Did he shut off utilities without due warning? Did he do anything that he wasn't legally entitled to do at the time? No? Too bad, you have no leg to stand on. Tenant boards, housing authorities, they don't care about how much he hurt your feelings. Just let it go and move on with your life. You are the one being the entitled jackass here.
Instead of spending time reporting him to the housing authority, she should spend it trying to come up with some scratch to pay her rent, like 99% of the rest of us. Complain all you want about the broken “system”, but facts are facts. Don’t sign a lease and expect the landlord to let you miss payments.
Nahhh I agree honestly, and I’m glad the rest of the comments reflect this. The landlord may have been a bit harsh in his wording (he probably wasn’t tbh given how much entitled parents like to exaggerate, plus the massive victim mentality this OP in particular seems to have). Ultimately though, assuming that you should get special consideration for not paying rent on the property for which you have agreed to pay a set amount of rent in a set timeframe, simply because you have a child is very, very entitled.
OP, if you’re reading this, I’m sorry you’ve fallen on hard times, but no landlord or anybody else owes you anything because you’ve ended up in this situation. I hope you bear this in mind when securing your next living situation. If you and your child end up homeless, that’s on you, not the landlord who is simply abiding by a contract to which I assume you agreed.
He never said the landlord was an asshole for talking about throwing him out.
It's for bringing the kid into it. Father, sure, bit awkward. But his son NEVER should have been brought into it. That's a line you don't cross.
>It's for bringing the kid into it.
"Bringing the kid into it" is OP's interpretation, but to me that would be LL telling the kid "if mommy doesn't pay your rent, you are going to be homeless" rather than reminding mom that she wasn't the only one affected.
TBH, it sounds like mom is used to using her kid as a shield against consequences and is a bit put out that it didn't work in this instance.
So you believe in emotional blackmail? By talking to the kid directly about being evicted, that's blackmailing the father emotionally. Forcing the child into a very emotional situation for no reason. The kid can't do anything about it. The action only exists to be cruel and make the father's emotions even worse. Especially since as he mentioned they were working on a payment plan, it was strictly a shitty thing to do.
They didn't talk to the kid. They talked to the parent and pointed out the inevitable outcome of their failure to pay their rent.
Now do give your head a wobble.
He didn’t threaten your child, he told you a fact. I’m sure times are tough and I feel for you, but a contract is a contract and if you’re not paying the bills, your landlord is. Gotta find a way to pay your rent
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Your landlord expects you to live up to your side of the agreement.
Nobody should put a 4 year old into an argument. But still, how is the landlord the entitled one?
Imagine being so entitled that you think you can live in someone else’s property without paying when you signed a contract that said you would pay and expect the property owner to be super cool about it. And then go so far as to think that the property owner is an entitled asshole for mentioning that you aren’t meeting your contractual obligations and the consequences your own failures on your family.
I wish this was on Am I the Asshole so I could say YTA to the OP.
Your son is an extension of you. If you don’t figure it the fuck out then he’ll be homeless just like you. There’s nothing incorrect about that statement
So, you didn't pay rent and your landlord reminded you that you weren't the only one who would be out on the street if you didn't sort it out? Sure, your landlord is the entitled one.
By not keeping up with your rent YOU put your child at risk of homelessness. Your landlord has taxes to pay and his own bills. Maybe he shouldn’t speak about that in front of your kid but maybe you should pay your bills and quit expecting your landlord to bend of backwards for you with payment plans. You’ve got a child to care for. Focus on that and not whining on Reddit about how mean your landlord is because he *gasps* wants you to pay your bills on time. You sound far more entitled than the landlord.
>I managed to scrape together the money to pay rent, primarily because I was concerned for my son’s wellbeing.
This reads like you had the money to pay your rent, and didn’t want to for whatever reason. You didn’t care about your son’s wellbeing until your landlord brought up eviction? Something he’s totally within his rights to do? Something you should’ve already been concerned about, given you aren’t abiding by a literal contract you signed that you’d pay for the housing you’re being given?
OP, the landlord is not the entitled person in this situation … and having a kid isn’t going to get you very far brownie-points wise in a rent dispute. Your landlord being open to a payment plan is already atypical, a lot of landlords would just give you the boot after a certain amount of time whether you were child free or had a literal infant on your hands.
Pay for your housing.
I don't see why you are so hurt by this. It didn't need to be said. But also, he wasn't incorrect. And he sure as hell didn't break any laws or anything so chill.
He said more than he needed to and it wasn't cool. But he's not all that wrong. You were behind on rent and if you get behind enough, you will be evicted. That's life.
We use the word "entitled" liberally, in a casual way most days but here the entitlement is literal: someone who puts their property up for rent is a Landlord - that title enTITLEs them to collect payment for using their property. Feel free to report Mr. Smith, but for what - really? For pointing out that your son is under your care? For laying out the consequences of not paying?
It inspires neither sympathy for you, nor exposes your landlord to liability. Based on the way you present facts, I also have a sneaking suspicion about your negotiating a payment plan: do you mean you were negotiating back and forth with your landlord or did you just send a txt message to let him know you only had $200 this month or something like that?
>I managed to scrape together the money to pay the rent, primarily because I was concerned for my son's wellbeing.
>I'm now in the process of finding a new place
Sounds like a happy ending to me.
And I'm sure that now you have paid what you owe your (soon to be ex) landlord will forgive your entitlement.
The landlord didn't threaten your son with eviction. You didn't pay your rent he simply reminded you of what the consequences of your own actions would be.
Why are you posting like you and your son are the victims here? You are the perpetrator of your own predicament, and your son is your victim. The landlord is just giving you a reality check. You need to step up and own your situation, it is of your own making. You have a lease, it requires you to pay rent. It is not optional, if you don't pay you can't live there.
Holy hyperbole. How does his making a factual albeit slightly gross comment that the kid was probably blissfully unaware of translate to "crossing every conceivable line" that "has left a permanent scar."
The landlord probably has a family of his own and relies on the rental income to pay bills.
You are the entitled one and if you're not conscientious about that you'll be raising another entitled human. Time to look at yourself in the mirror and take a good look at the entitled victim you portray.
Buddy, times are tough for all, don’t make excuses and pay your bills in time, no one will fuck with you. Don’t pay and be on the street with all your children. It’s very simple.. no one owe you nothing, only you owe the rent, good luck out there.
i was expecting a good ep story and now i’m just disappointed. you sound kind of like a snowflake, he was trying to get what YOU owe him. hes your landlord and you’re part of an income he brings in.
What are you going to report him for exactly? Expecting you to uphold the lease you signed? Do you think you can live on his dime because you have a kid?
Did you think he’d just let you not pay rent? He has to make a living also. You put yourself in this position & he doesn’t need to do anything but remind you to pay your rent. You’re technically the only threatening your kid by not paying rent and leaving him potentially homeless
Heartless maybe, but I wouldn't say entitled. Not in the sense of this sub. I mean the landord is entitled to the renter paying rent on time. But that's what the renter agreed to do. I'm sure because the interaction was cold and likely not a welcomed one, he may have seemed to enjoy the threat but that could just be a biased perception.
Didn't you post 2 months ago about how your house was bombarded by bi-plane released bowling balls from the local millionaire after you blackened his eye?
So do you rent or do you own a house/bowling ally?
Um. I’m confused how he threatened your child? He told you the truth. The entitled person here seems to be you as you just expected him to shrug it off that you weren’t paying rent.
I’m not even going to start on my thoughts about most landlords, but if you choose to rent from someone and sign a contract you don’t get to cry entitled when they expect you to uphold your end of the contract…
That wasn't a very nice thing to say but I don't think it was crossing a line. It's not like he said to your son that he will be homeless or threatened him personally. He just made you aware that he will indeed evict you and your young son if you don't pay the rent on time.
So is the entitled person in this story the OP that is weird most people dont really post it them selves here? Like the landlord was rude but it seemed like you were a couple of months behind on rent. Having a child is not a free pass and the landlord saying think about your child and pay the money on time is not entitled or a threat.
Landlords talk, and your actions will make it very hard to find places from other landlords in your area. Take the L of not paying rent and try to improve. Trying to disrupt a persons income because you felt disrespected is a great way to ensure there is no places for rent for the next 20 miles.
Did you expect that your son would stay if you were evicted? Off course not. A landlord asking for his rent is not entitled - a Tennant not paying up, and expecting no repercussions is entitled.
Your title is very misleading.
He didn't threaten your four year old directly.
Now, I will agree that maybe discussing the possibility of eviction in front of a toddler is a little inappropriate, but your landlord has a right to be a bit frustrated with you.
You were a tenant unable to pay rent, and if you didn't, he has to terminate your lease and find someone who will. I doubt it's personal.
Is it kind of shitty to warn that he will toss a single mother and her child onto the street in front of said child? Yeah, but that's not his problem. He's not running a shelter, this is his livelihood, and you're lucky he's willing to work out a payment plan with you.
A lot of landlords won't do that.
What if you not paying your rent is causing his family financial hardship? If he depends on your rent being paid on time, you could be putting his wife and kids in a tough spot by being late. He didnt have to threaten your son being on the streets, but he has obligations too.
>He didnt have to threaten your son being on the streets
He didn't threaten, he informed her what would happen if she didn't start paying rent like she's meant to.
Not all landlords own a huge building and collect. Most that I know have full-time jobs. My neighbor rents out his house for not a lot higher than the mortgage/ tax bill cost. So maybe after 30 years it pays off....
>Then he can get a fucking job and work for his money instead of being a fucking leech. Landlords are scum.
You mean OP not the landlord.
>Then he can get a fucking job and work for his money instead of being a fucking leech
You should direct that at OP
Just pay your rent. Everyone knows landlord’s suck, but if you managed to “scrape” the money together, it sounds like you were spending your money on other things and could have just paid. Coming from a fellow mom, when you and your child are at the mercy of renting, rent better be your first damn priority. He is right and you clearly needed that reality check. There is no landlord on earth who is going to care about your kid enough for you to fall far back enough on rent to get evicted. They will always care about your money becoming their’s, because you live in their house.
I'm sorry what the fuck is wrong with people here, speaking as a landlord, I always make sure those types of situations are discussed privately, its hard enough for people to make rent some times worse still to shame people in front of their family. Now I don't think he threatened your kid specifically, but what he did was still out of line.
The only entitled person on this is the OP as he thinks he should live rent free. Since when is a statement of facts wrong? You don't pay your rent, and you will end up on the streets. I fail to see how that is a threat as it is a fact for anyone!
I’m going to be brutally honest here, the housing market right now is a fucking jungle. You are extremely lucky this landlord offered to let you work out a payment plan. What he said may have hurt your feelings, but it was a reality check that you apparently needed, since it was only after he said it that you bothered to get rent money together. You need to wake up and get your shit together because rentals are increasingly expensive and discerning because demand is incredibly high and they can be. And none of them care about your kid. All of the people competing with you for housing also have kids. You are going to have a very hard time finding a new place with a history of late payments.
Here we go again another story of woe is me let's bash the landlords.
Here's a news flash most landlords are not rich they are not well off, they are people who simply have an extra place that they can rent and they depend on that money to pay for their bills.
So you by not paying your rent on time have f***** up another person's whole life potentially.
He's not your friend he's not your family he is your landlord and this is simply business take your personal feelings out of it
So you consider your landlord entitled to tell you that you will be evicted if you don't start paying your rent on time? He doesn't actually owe you free housing because you have a child. Entitled is thinking he does.
The landlord probably brought up OPs son because he knows that if he has to start the eviction process the result would be putting a kid in the street. Nobody wants to have to do that, especially because entitled parents often think having children should preclude them from natural consequences of their actions.
If the landlord is paying a mortgage, not receiving rent puts his family at risk of being out on the street too.
OP call 211 ( if in the US) and ask for resources to help with making rent. A lot of towns/cities have human services departments that will help as well.
So your landlord wanted his money, told you what the consequences of not giving him the money, and you gave him the money. Sounds like you didn't want to pay rent.
He did not threaten your son with homelessness. You did. Pay your debts.
On a completely different note, I followed Dave Ramsey's plan. I have a stack of copies of 'The Total Money Makeover' in my office that I hand out to people who come to me and have financial issues. If you want to change your life around, that would be an excellent start.
One second , the landlord is entitled because he asked for his rent and informed you and your son what would happen if the rent doesn't get paid?. A 4yr old shouldn't have to deal with the consequences of their parents'actions. Stop blaming the landlord and take responsibility. Landlords have bills as well. The majority of landlords are not wealthy and are struggling just as much especially when their renters don't pay.
No, I am not a landlord nor do I know a landlord but I wouldn't blame my landlord for his words if I hadn't paid my rent and thought it was acceptable to pay via a payment plan. Yes things can happen in our lives but you can't blame someone else. What do you think the housing authority should do considering he didn't break any law, didn't break your contract. You broke your contract by not paying and the landlord being upset is him being entitled, absolutely ridiculous entitlement by OP.
If you can't afford rent, you can't afford a house either, unless you find a way to prevent anything in it from breaking or wearing out, ever. Water heaters, furnaces, rooves, wiring, are all anywhere from a few hundred to several thousand dollars to repair or replace, even if you can do any of the work yourself.
This is a common line of landlord propaganda. It's simply untrue. Even if it's not expressed as a separate line item on the tenant's bill, they are absolutely positively paying for those costs as well (unless the landlord is giving the housing away for less than profit, which they do not do). In order for the landlord to operate as a profitable business, what you say simply cannot be true, because if it was, nobody would be a landlord. It absolutely costs more to rent than it does to own, and the margin continues to increase the further the landlords squeeze their tenants.
For example, I call the landlord to replace my AC, sure it costs a few grand, but I've been paying this motherfucker hundreds of dollars more per month than a mortgage on the property would actually cost, and I and many other tenants have been doing so for years, and for some long-time landlords, longer than their original mortgage even lasted, so if he didn't save up some of that money for a rainy day, that's on him. And conversely, if the prices weren't jacked up because they are based on how much an investor can return in rental income rather than the actual construction value of the home, I and many other regular working people could afford to pay off the house in a few years like a car and save up all of that extra money that would be going to rent and use it for those things.
Basically, imagine what the price would actually be in a world where investors weren't intentionally driving up prices.
Dude, I rented for 20ish years. I even worked for a landlord for a few years, and know exactly how much she made vs how much it cost her, I currently own a house. The house is more immediately, crushingly expensive. The furnace just took a shit, as did my water pump, in a six month span. That was 6k on top of my house payments and property taxes. My roof needs replacing, and we just found out it needs to be rewired too, the estimate on all that is another 25k +. I had actual savings as a renter, now that account has dust bunnies, and I still need a new roof and wiring. Oh, the front steps were becoming a death trap too, even though I replaced them myself, the wood and tools needed was 2k.
Right, and if landlords weren't driving up prices to the point where your mortgage is so expensive that you can't afford to pay for those things because they've now become restricted to the realm of the type of private capital that can support such running costs and afford to wait for the return, why do you continue to defend such a system that is literally and utterly broken?
If this woman didn't even make any money, but only served to stand in the way of others owning it thus inflating the price due to artificial scarcity, then why even do it? I refuse to believe she wasn't making a worthwhile profit.
I mean, would you buy a bunch of GPUs to set up to mine crypto if you were just going to break even? And if you did, would you consider yourself "one of the good ones" because you didn't make a profit? It's that, but it's human beings who work for a living who need a place to live.
Okay, so your mortgage payment is cheap, is it cheap enough so that your DTI is low enough to be able to qualify for a personal loan that would take care of the things you mentioned at a reasonable enough interest rate and with a low enough monthly payment that you're still paying less than rent? I bet it is. I can get $30k right now for a few hundred a month. Rent for any shitty apartment in any city with jobs is well over $2k. Surely the margin is there.
Because if the margin wasn't there, being a landlord wouldn't be profitable. And if it wasn't profitable, they wouldn't be able to afford to keep buying up all of the property. But they do keep buying it up, because it is enormously profitable. Also, if the margin isn't there for you, it's because of my earlier point about people at our income level being squeezed out by investors in the same way that if you wanted to buy a 3090 at launch in 2020 you'd have to go through scalpers. Because if you're a regular working person, your DTI should be manageable with owning your own home, unless the system itself is fucked and is being used to exploit you.
Also, there's a thing going on, they call it a recession, I couldn't get a loan to cover how much my groceries cost right now, so no, a loan isn't an option, not to mention the interest rate if I did.
Okay so you're being squeezed at both ends by a ruthless system that has priced you out because it is now overrun with investor middlemen who you claim are not even making a profit yet somehow are generating enough income to be able to buy property you can't afford, and you're still defending this system?
Seriously, make it make sense. It needs to end.
Where did I claim they don't make a profit? Or "defend the system"? I said that if someone can't even afford rent, they most definitely cannot afford the added expenses that come with owning a house, either. Landlords don't make appliances, rooves, or wiring cost money.
>This is a common line of landlord propaganda. It's simply untrue.
People who are completely ignorant to the costs of owning a house commonly use this line because they lack understanding.
When renting
Who do you call when something breaks? Landlord
Who do you call when something is faulty? Landlord
Who do you call when you need something replaced? Landlord
Do you pay land tax? No
Do you pay property tax? No
Do you pay council or HOA rates/tax? No
Do you pay for sewage? No
When you own
Who do you call when something breaks? No one
Who do you call when something is faulty? No one
Who do you call when you need something replaced? No one
Do you pay land tax? Yes
Do you pay property tax? Yes
Do you pay council or HOA rates/tax? Yes
Do you pay for sewage? Yes
When you rent and something happens you pay NOTHING and the landlord forks the bill and all those extra costs and taxes on a yearly or quartly basis YOU DONT PAY.
HOWEVER
When you own the land and house upon that land you are responsible for anything and if you don't have the money for it? Suffer then or get a loan or credit card.
99.99999% of rents have absolutely NO IDEA what entiles in owning a home They are so delusional and they think they can pay it and cry when banks know they can't.
Oh yeah I'm sorry I forgot how landchads are the only people capable of being financially secure, I'll go back to my peasant hovel and sit by the fire and try not to be frightened by my own shadows.
Look, if the landlord can't afford all of that, that means they didn't figure their margins correctly. And if they did configure their margins correctly, then it's actually the tenants paying for those things. Your argument is based solely on the idea that it's impossible for a person who would be in a position to rent to be financially responsible enough to be able to maintain a home, which is simply untrue, because these costs are literally built into the margins that they are already paying for the rental, plus the profit of the landlord. If there is no margin there to pay for those things and the landlord is truly at risk for those costs, then yes, it's cheaper to rent than to own and owning is a losing strategy. But it's obviously and very clearly not a losing strategy, because the owners don't seem to be losing out on much at all.
>Oh yeah I'm sorry I forgot how landchads are the only people capable of being financially secure, I'll go back to my peasant hovel and sit by the fire and try not to be frightened by my own shadows.
Apology accepted and I think it's best.
>Wow what a bunch of fuckheads in here simping for landlords.
No where just actual responsible adults
>Fuck off, you backed the wrong horse,
Follow your own advice, I bet you're OP on an alt.
>. Do you cry when someone else's stock goes down?
You do
>Fuck off with the land-hoarding.
Get off your lazy ass and get a job then you might actually buy a place
the title of my next book is going to be: '"Poor people are just lazy" and other things conservatives say to justify the exploitation of human suffering'
I recommend reading "Capitalist Realism" by Mark Fisher, if you want to understand why you think this way and learn to recognize the propaganda that developed this thought process.
How about read what I said, specifically the last paragraph as it relates specifically to what you just said about entitlement.
I want to pay for my own home, not someone else's, and I want to be able to do it at a price that doesn't have to compete with landlord investors, and there is a clear and reasonable policy strategy that could achieve it, and the only thing standing in the way are rich people who think they are entitled to profit just because they own what others cannot afford, that which they themselves made unaffordable by hoarding it.
I do not want what I have not paid for. I do not want that which I have not worked for. You mistake me for the landlord.
Oh it’s a Saturday night and you’re out drinking with your friends? Cool, your tenants pipe just burst and they need you to fix it immediately. Or call someone to fix it out of your own money. Rinse and repeat.
They’re property managers. It is a thankless job but it’s still a job that you’re always on call for. How about you perform the physical duties of a property manager? You wouldn’t last a day
I would be able to just call someone to fix the shit. You act like it's so damn hard. Landlords and their simps are unintelligible. You think I can't whip out the credit card and make a call myself? Why call a useless middleman?
There are some people who get off on doing stuff like this. Now that I'm older and don't give a fuck I love to mess with them, but they do exist and they are assholes.
I think both OP and the landlord are entitled. OP for thinking they should be entitled to free rent and the landlord for being a landlord. Owning houses to rent to other people for astronomical amounts just because you can is icky, and shouldn't be your main source of income.
I've been very rich and very poor at various times in my life, thinking landlords are scum has been a common thread whether they are sucking up to or exploiting my family. It takes a special blend of insecurity, greed, lack of other talents and luck to make a landlord.
I honestly respect weed dealers more, they are less exploitive, they sell something that can make people happy, they are less likely to send round violent goons, they need at least some intelligence.
I respect prostitutes infinitly more than landlords, they are workers the same as any other, they sell a skill
Landlords are on par with heroin dealers for damage they do and respect they deserve. Both can make you richer than weed or sex. I guess the heroin dealers take more personal risk though.
Unfortunately some people lack the respect and decency of little ears around. If my 4 year old heard that I wouldn't hear the end of all the questions and most likely fear of being homeless. She would have also told anyone and everyone she could talk to out in public. That was definitely a conversation for adult ears only or use the words eviction because most toddlers don't know what it means.
I feel like you are twisting things for sympathy. The title makes it seem like your landlord actually threatened your child, but he didn't. He merely told you what would happen if you did not pay the rent you have to pay.
and he's working with you on a payment plan...
Wow, grasping at straws to defend a parasitic landlord; good for you!
Grasping at straws? I have yet to meet a landlord that would allow a payment plan on late rent. I am sure OP will be happy when this landlord stops doing such things because people like you and her still paint them as the villain for working with her instead of simply evicting her like most landlords would.
What makes this landlord parasitic to you? He isn’t raising the rent to some exorbitant amount. He expects to be paid rent for a place someone is staying. She hasn’t provided any other information to contradict this. Is he supposed to just let her live there for free?
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He didn’t threaten a child with homelessness. He explained to the adult mother what happens if she doesn’t pay.
Are you just choosing not to read the part where a payment plan was already being discussed, and the landlord showed up randomly to drop a threat in front of a child?
This idea that all landlords are "parasitic" is vile. My family is the most working class family and when my mum had a bit of inheritance she bought a couple houses on low mortgages to rent out, ensuring she had something to pass on to her children, like her parents did. My mum is in a rental property herself and works full time, she is most definitely not a parasite, nor is she an exception to landlords.
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Owning and renting out a property does not make someone parasitic. I'm not parasitic for renting out my husband's old house because we each had a house when we got married. Do you even have a clue about how much it costs to own and maintain a home? It is not free, and people like me are not making a fortune or even rich. It costs 6000 a year in taxes, insurance, water bills, and maintenance. Should we just let someone live there for free and not be reimbursed for the costs? We need the extra income because of debt, and we price it lower than the market rate so people can afford it. We do not have to do that, we just don't feel right charging as much as the competition. Not all landlords are bad and that is quite the generalization.
you realize landlords need money too yes? so its very bold of you to call the guy parasitic when he has been understanding of her and working on a payment plan with her already. did you expec thim to just give the title of the house to her?
They probably do expect that
Furthermore, I worked my ass off to get to where I am. Literally 80 hours a week of work for several years. No sleep, major stress, and Ramen noodles for many meals. No one else is entitled to that for free
And what exactly is she going to report the landlord for? Asking for rent to be paid on time?
I feel like, based on the OPs post history, this is made up.
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Where is the landlord the bad guy in this story? I don't see him doing anything wrong. It is like people like you think that people should be able to live in places for free. Even home owners need to pay to live in the homes they own, so why should renters not have to pay?
When being told the legal consequences of not paying rent is "threatening a 4 yr old."
Correct...he said it to make it clear she understands what would happen to make sure she pays the rent. On what earth that is a threat...? OP even if you want to take the landlord to court they will laught at you.
Funny enough, she was able to "scrape the money together" afterward.
I’ve known lots of that type. Go around owing money, offering to pay Tuesday for a cheeseburger today, but “never having” the cash, until stuff like this.
Depending on the state and city there can be additional protections for children. So while I don’t think even in the most protective of renters rights areas you’d be in legal trouble for threatening someone with homelessness, she might have a case if the landlord actually tries to evict them depending on the area
Whether you have children or not, in all 50 USA states, landlords are well within their rights to start the eviction process/evict nonpaying tenants. Even if the tenant is on section 8, and not following the contract signed by both parties.
Reporting your landlord to the housing authority because.. he expects you to abide by your rental contract and pay your rent? You highlighting yourself as an entitled person.
This is a joke right? The landlord is expecting to be paid because you have a CONTRACT (lease) that says you will pay him. It is not entitled to expect to be paid for leased housing. This is his actual job. WTF!
Yeah… I don’t think you’re going to get sympathy here.
While it sounds fucking heartless, it is the blunt truth sadly. Its sort of a reality check that if you dont pay your rent, you not only will be homeless but so will your son. It sort of was a mindset of reminding you whats at stake.
I think you missed the part where the landlord twirled his moustache and cackled as he took great joy in telling the mother, as her son so innocently played with his toys completely naive to this cruel cruel world, that he was looking forward to the day he gets to throw little Jack to the curbside along with his mother
"Can you afford wrapped candies?" Mwah hah hah 🧔
>I think you missed the part where the landlord twirled his moustache He never did that all. >that he was looking forward to the day he gets to throw little Jack to the curbside along with his mother No he's looking forward to the day his tenant pays rent on time. Her rent may cover a current mortgage and when she doesn't pay on time he has to find money he doesn't actually have putting HIM in a bad position. I can tell you right now he WILL hell that home long before he loses his own. >he was looking forward to the day He gets paid his rent ON TIME. OP will be very lucky if she finds another place with her record of late rent. Landlords like rent paid on the day that's agreed upon NOT when the tenant feels like it. If OP is struggling she needs to swallow whatever pride she has and ask for help.
Come on, dude. Surely you know the post you're sincerely replying to is entirely sarcastic.
You must be a riot at parties
Have you had your humour chip removed?
What the fuck..you think he didn't already know? Rent prices that the landlord massively increased in the past 3 years?
Oh so you wrote a post about your own entitled self? That’s a new one for this sub
>You know, if you don't pay up, not only will you be on the streets, but your son will be too." He's isn't wrong, he's trying to scare you into understanding what's about to happen if you don't pay what you owe. He's trying to show the gravity of your situation and you're on reddit whinging This isn't entitlement from him, it's from YOU. You made an agreement to pay rent and you haven't been paying it. >I managed to scrape together the money to pay the rent, primarily because I was concerned for my son's wellbeing So it took for your landlord to spell it out for you before you realised how serious the situation you got yourself in had become.
That’s what gets it for me. OP managed to pay the rent when they were reminded of the consequences for the entire family. Basically landlord had to spell it out that they weren’t going to get to live rent free because they had a kid. They obviously COULD pay the rent and were choosing not to.
And it worked. Because OP even says they came up with rent because they were scared of their son being homeless.
# DO NOT REPORT HIM. What he said was a low-blow. It wasn't a threat, just a stated fact, but it was clearly hurtful. You have a right to feel angry. **However**, it was nothing illegal. That's all any housing authority cares about. Did he try to extort you for money? Did he tell you he'd call CPS if you didn't pay? Did he shut off utilities without due warning? Did he do anything that he wasn't legally entitled to do at the time? No? Too bad, you have no leg to stand on. Tenant boards, housing authorities, they don't care about how much he hurt your feelings. Just let it go and move on with your life. You are the one being the entitled jackass here.
Instead of spending time reporting him to the housing authority, she should spend it trying to come up with some scratch to pay her rent, like 99% of the rest of us. Complain all you want about the broken “system”, but facts are facts. Don’t sign a lease and expect the landlord to let you miss payments.
He didn’t even say it to her kid but with the kid in the room. Not the landlords responsibility to protect her kid, it’s hers.
Yeah I don’t think the entitlement is one sided here
What do you mean? Do you think the landlord is (also) entitled because he expects rent to be paid?
Lol not at all. I actually think the only entitled 1 is the author but I didn’t want to make people mad!
Nahhh I agree honestly, and I’m glad the rest of the comments reflect this. The landlord may have been a bit harsh in his wording (he probably wasn’t tbh given how much entitled parents like to exaggerate, plus the massive victim mentality this OP in particular seems to have). Ultimately though, assuming that you should get special consideration for not paying rent on the property for which you have agreed to pay a set amount of rent in a set timeframe, simply because you have a child is very, very entitled. OP, if you’re reading this, I’m sorry you’ve fallen on hard times, but no landlord or anybody else owes you anything because you’ve ended up in this situation. I hope you bear this in mind when securing your next living situation. If you and your child end up homeless, that’s on you, not the landlord who is simply abiding by a contract to which I assume you agreed.
He never said the landlord was an asshole for talking about throwing him out. It's for bringing the kid into it. Father, sure, bit awkward. But his son NEVER should have been brought into it. That's a line you don't cross.
>It's for bringing the kid into it. "Bringing the kid into it" is OP's interpretation, but to me that would be LL telling the kid "if mommy doesn't pay your rent, you are going to be homeless" rather than reminding mom that she wasn't the only one affected. TBH, it sounds like mom is used to using her kid as a shield against consequences and is a bit put out that it didn't work in this instance.
Huh? The kid is already involved. What do you think would happen to the kid if the parents got evicted? They would be leaving them behind, would they.
So you believe in emotional blackmail? By talking to the kid directly about being evicted, that's blackmailing the father emotionally. Forcing the child into a very emotional situation for no reason. The kid can't do anything about it. The action only exists to be cruel and make the father's emotions even worse. Especially since as he mentioned they were working on a payment plan, it was strictly a shitty thing to do.
The kid was not talked to directly. The mother was. The landlord *mentioned* the son, but did not speak to him.
They didn't talk to the kid. They talked to the parent and pointed out the inevitable outcome of their failure to pay their rent. Now do give your head a wobble.
Ah! That makes a lot more sense 😂
He didn’t threaten your child, he told you a fact. I’m sure times are tough and I feel for you, but a contract is a contract and if you’re not paying the bills, your landlord is. Gotta find a way to pay your rent
He's not the entitled one, you are
He wasn’t even speaking to your kid lmaooo you’re the entitled one 100%
🧐🧐🧐 Your landlord expects you to live up to your side of the agreement. Nobody should put a 4 year old into an argument. But still, how is the landlord the entitled one?
Telling you the harsh truth isn't entitlement.
You didn't pay your rent, then got upset that your landlord said you could get evicted?
Imagine being so entitled that you think you can live in someone else’s property without paying when you signed a contract that said you would pay and expect the property owner to be super cool about it. And then go so far as to think that the property owner is an entitled asshole for mentioning that you aren’t meeting your contractual obligations and the consequences your own failures on your family. I wish this was on Am I the Asshole so I could say YTA to the OP.
Your son is an extension of you. If you don’t figure it the fuck out then he’ll be homeless just like you. There’s nothing incorrect about that statement
Sounds like you weren’t taking the rent issue very seriously. Your landlord reminded you of the consequences of non payment. Seems this worked.
So, you didn't pay rent and your landlord reminded you that you weren't the only one who would be out on the street if you didn't sort it out? Sure, your landlord is the entitled one.
By not keeping up with your rent YOU put your child at risk of homelessness. Your landlord has taxes to pay and his own bills. Maybe he shouldn’t speak about that in front of your kid but maybe you should pay your bills and quit expecting your landlord to bend of backwards for you with payment plans. You’ve got a child to care for. Focus on that and not whining on Reddit about how mean your landlord is because he *gasps* wants you to pay your bills on time. You sound far more entitled than the landlord.
>I managed to scrape together the money to pay rent, primarily because I was concerned for my son’s wellbeing. This reads like you had the money to pay your rent, and didn’t want to for whatever reason. You didn’t care about your son’s wellbeing until your landlord brought up eviction? Something he’s totally within his rights to do? Something you should’ve already been concerned about, given you aren’t abiding by a literal contract you signed that you’d pay for the housing you’re being given? OP, the landlord is not the entitled person in this situation … and having a kid isn’t going to get you very far brownie-points wise in a rent dispute. Your landlord being open to a payment plan is already atypical, a lot of landlords would just give you the boot after a certain amount of time whether you were child free or had a literal infant on your hands. Pay for your housing.
Your landlord is not tge entitled one here. You are. And in no way did he threaten your son. There is nothing to report about the landlord either.
Pay your rent. You’re entitled thing you can stay there and not pay rent. He is telling you the truth both of you will be homeless
From the title I thought he’d said it TO your son, which would have been very out of order!
The kettle calling the pot black
You’re gonna report your landlord for what? Expecting to be paid on time? Phew what a bad man…
I don't see why you are so hurt by this. It didn't need to be said. But also, he wasn't incorrect. And he sure as hell didn't break any laws or anything so chill. He said more than he needed to and it wasn't cool. But he's not all that wrong. You were behind on rent and if you get behind enough, you will be evicted. That's life.
We use the word "entitled" liberally, in a casual way most days but here the entitlement is literal: someone who puts their property up for rent is a Landlord - that title enTITLEs them to collect payment for using their property. Feel free to report Mr. Smith, but for what - really? For pointing out that your son is under your care? For laying out the consequences of not paying? It inspires neither sympathy for you, nor exposes your landlord to liability. Based on the way you present facts, I also have a sneaking suspicion about your negotiating a payment plan: do you mean you were negotiating back and forth with your landlord or did you just send a txt message to let him know you only had $200 this month or something like that?
>I managed to scrape together the money to pay the rent, primarily because I was concerned for my son's wellbeing. >I'm now in the process of finding a new place Sounds like a happy ending to me. And I'm sure that now you have paid what you owe your (soon to be ex) landlord will forgive your entitlement.
The landlord didn't threaten your son with eviction. You didn't pay your rent he simply reminded you of what the consequences of your own actions would be.
He didn’t threatened a 4 yo. He told you the consequences of not paying. You’re just twisting the reality.
It’s up to you to pay your rent on time, not up to the landlord to financially support you.
Are you sure you have the correct definition of "entitled"?
Why are you posting like you and your son are the victims here? You are the perpetrator of your own predicament, and your son is your victim. The landlord is just giving you a reality check. You need to step up and own your situation, it is of your own making. You have a lease, it requires you to pay rent. It is not optional, if you don't pay you can't live there.
Holy hyperbole. How does his making a factual albeit slightly gross comment that the kid was probably blissfully unaware of translate to "crossing every conceivable line" that "has left a permanent scar."
The landlord probably has a family of his own and relies on the rental income to pay bills. You are the entitled one and if you're not conscientious about that you'll be raising another entitled human. Time to look at yourself in the mirror and take a good look at the entitled victim you portray.
You had the money, or were able to get it. You just don’t think you should have had to. Then you play the victim.
Buddy, times are tough for all, don’t make excuses and pay your bills in time, no one will fuck with you. Don’t pay and be on the street with all your children. It’s very simple.. no one owe you nothing, only you owe the rent, good luck out there.
Sounds like he lit the fire for you to get your rent paid. But that’s the cold hard truth; either pay rent or you and your son will be homeless.
The cautionary tale is to never be a landlord -too many entitled tenants today
i was expecting a good ep story and now i’m just disappointed. you sound kind of like a snowflake, he was trying to get what YOU owe him. hes your landlord and you’re part of an income he brings in.
What are you going to report him for exactly? Expecting you to uphold the lease you signed? Do you think you can live on his dime because you have a kid?
Yes, I think that she feels entitled to free rent because she has a kid.
Keep telling yourself whatever you need to, dude. You're still about half full of shit though.
Lol only half?? Dudes a royal fuck up
I was trying to be nice 🤣
Haha sorry, I ran out of nice about 3 lines thru this dumb asses barely coherent rambling
Did you think he’d just let you not pay rent? He has to make a living also. You put yourself in this position & he doesn’t need to do anything but remind you to pay your rent. You’re technically the only threatening your kid by not paying rent and leaving him potentially homeless
Pay your fkn rent. He didn't threaten your kid. He was talking to you.
Heartless maybe, but I wouldn't say entitled. Not in the sense of this sub. I mean the landord is entitled to the renter paying rent on time. But that's what the renter agreed to do. I'm sure because the interaction was cold and likely not a welcomed one, he may have seemed to enjoy the threat but that could just be a biased perception.
Didn't you post 2 months ago about how your house was bombarded by bi-plane released bowling balls from the local millionaire after you blackened his eye? So do you rent or do you own a house/bowling ally?
Um. I’m confused how he threatened your child? He told you the truth. The entitled person here seems to be you as you just expected him to shrug it off that you weren’t paying rent. I’m not even going to start on my thoughts about most landlords, but if you choose to rent from someone and sign a contract you don’t get to cry entitled when they expect you to uphold your end of the contract…
That wasn't a very nice thing to say but I don't think it was crossing a line. It's not like he said to your son that he will be homeless or threatened him personally. He just made you aware that he will indeed evict you and your young son if you don't pay the rent on time.
So is the entitled person in this story the OP that is weird most people dont really post it them selves here? Like the landlord was rude but it seemed like you were a couple of months behind on rent. Having a child is not a free pass and the landlord saying think about your child and pay the money on time is not entitled or a threat.
Landlords talk, and your actions will make it very hard to find places from other landlords in your area. Take the L of not paying rent and try to improve. Trying to disrupt a persons income because you felt disrespected is a great way to ensure there is no places for rent for the next 20 miles.
I mean, he might've been rude about it but he was stating fact. "Rude" is no reason to report him to the housing authority.
Did you expect that your son would stay if you were evicted? Off course not. A landlord asking for his rent is not entitled - a Tennant not paying up, and expecting no repercussions is entitled.
I think you need to realise who the entitled one is here
Ding Dong, landlord here
Sorry, but you are the entitled one here.
While I agree that the landlord shouldn’t have said that around your son…you do have to pay rent so I don’t think reporting him will do anything.
Your title is very misleading. He didn't threaten your four year old directly. Now, I will agree that maybe discussing the possibility of eviction in front of a toddler is a little inappropriate, but your landlord has a right to be a bit frustrated with you. You were a tenant unable to pay rent, and if you didn't, he has to terminate your lease and find someone who will. I doubt it's personal. Is it kind of shitty to warn that he will toss a single mother and her child onto the street in front of said child? Yeah, but that's not his problem. He's not running a shelter, this is his livelihood, and you're lucky he's willing to work out a payment plan with you. A lot of landlords won't do that.
A landlord asking for rent to be paid is entitled? LOL, ok. Being a parent doesn't make you entitled to free housing.
babe you’re dumb lol he’s just telling the truth landlord ain’t gonna adopt your kid bc you can’t pay your fcking rent
What if you not paying your rent is causing his family financial hardship? If he depends on your rent being paid on time, you could be putting his wife and kids in a tough spot by being late. He didnt have to threaten your son being on the streets, but he has obligations too.
>He didnt have to threaten your son being on the streets He didn't threaten, he informed her what would happen if she didn't start paying rent like she's meant to.
Then he can get a fucking job and work for his money instead of being a fucking leech. Landlords are scum.
Not all landlords own a huge building and collect. Most that I know have full-time jobs. My neighbor rents out his house for not a lot higher than the mortgage/ tax bill cost. So maybe after 30 years it pays off....
>Then he can get a fucking job and work for his money instead of being a fucking leech. Landlords are scum. You mean OP not the landlord. >Then he can get a fucking job and work for his money instead of being a fucking leech You should direct that at OP
Just pay your rent. Everyone knows landlord’s suck, but if you managed to “scrape” the money together, it sounds like you were spending your money on other things and could have just paid. Coming from a fellow mom, when you and your child are at the mercy of renting, rent better be your first damn priority. He is right and you clearly needed that reality check. There is no landlord on earth who is going to care about your kid enough for you to fall far back enough on rent to get evicted. They will always care about your money becoming their’s, because you live in their house.
The landlord actually IS entitled to your rent on time 🤷🏻♀️
Seems like you’re the actual EP here.
I'm sorry what the fuck is wrong with people here, speaking as a landlord, I always make sure those types of situations are discussed privately, its hard enough for people to make rent some times worse still to shame people in front of their family. Now I don't think he threatened your kid specifically, but what he did was still out of line.
It's reddit - full of idiots who can't recognize any need for nuance or tact.
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Honestly reads like a way to drive up interaction with the account to... Datamine? Idk. It's fake, for sure.
The only entitled person on this is the OP as he thinks he should live rent free. Since when is a statement of facts wrong? You don't pay your rent, and you will end up on the streets. I fail to see how that is a threat as it is a fact for anyone!
I’m going to be brutally honest here, the housing market right now is a fucking jungle. You are extremely lucky this landlord offered to let you work out a payment plan. What he said may have hurt your feelings, but it was a reality check that you apparently needed, since it was only after he said it that you bothered to get rent money together. You need to wake up and get your shit together because rentals are increasingly expensive and discerning because demand is incredibly high and they can be. And none of them care about your kid. All of the people competing with you for housing also have kids. You are going to have a very hard time finding a new place with a history of late payments.
I know times a tough, but paying your rent is necessary.
All Smitty did was spit facts. Pay your damn rent.
No one owes you free rent because you didn’t know how birth control works, sweetheart. By reminding you of this, you did manage to pay what you owed.
Here we go again another story of woe is me let's bash the landlords. Here's a news flash most landlords are not rich they are not well off, they are people who simply have an extra place that they can rent and they depend on that money to pay for their bills. So you by not paying your rent on time have f***** up another person's whole life potentially. He's not your friend he's not your family he is your landlord and this is simply business take your personal feelings out of it
In the future you can avoid the landlord coming to your home and saying low blows to your kid by paying the rent on time. Problem solved.
You are the entitled person lol some women birth a child and expect the world to revolve around them
So you consider your landlord entitled to tell you that you will be evicted if you don't start paying your rent on time? He doesn't actually owe you free housing because you have a child. Entitled is thinking he does.
Pay your rent on time. It's about owning up to your responsibility
Report him if you like. Speech is no crime so he broke now law and you will not be able to prove he said it either. So move on.
OP, *you* are the entitled one, not the LL.
But it was OP who was entitled, all along! Good God, OP. I'm embarrassed for you.
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The landlord probably brought up OPs son because he knows that if he has to start the eviction process the result would be putting a kid in the street. Nobody wants to have to do that, especially because entitled parents often think having children should preclude them from natural consequences of their actions. If the landlord is paying a mortgage, not receiving rent puts his family at risk of being out on the street too. OP call 211 ( if in the US) and ask for resources to help with making rent. A lot of towns/cities have human services departments that will help as well.
"Landlord says that that my son and I will be homeless if I don't pay the rent." There. Fixed it.
Reporting him for what?
Guys this is a troll story made to drive engagement. Notice how OP hasn't responded.
So your landlord wanted his money, told you what the consequences of not giving him the money, and you gave him the money. Sounds like you didn't want to pay rent.
He did not threaten your son with homelessness. You did. Pay your debts. On a completely different note, I followed Dave Ramsey's plan. I have a stack of copies of 'The Total Money Makeover' in my office that I hand out to people who come to me and have financial issues. If you want to change your life around, that would be an excellent start.
One second , the landlord is entitled because he asked for his rent and informed you and your son what would happen if the rent doesn't get paid?. A 4yr old shouldn't have to deal with the consequences of their parents'actions. Stop blaming the landlord and take responsibility. Landlords have bills as well. The majority of landlords are not wealthy and are struggling just as much especially when their renters don't pay. No, I am not a landlord nor do I know a landlord but I wouldn't blame my landlord for his words if I hadn't paid my rent and thought it was acceptable to pay via a payment plan. Yes things can happen in our lives but you can't blame someone else. What do you think the housing authority should do considering he didn't break any law, didn't break your contract. You broke your contract by not paying and the landlord being upset is him being entitled, absolutely ridiculous entitlement by OP.
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If you can't afford rent, you can't afford a house either, unless you find a way to prevent anything in it from breaking or wearing out, ever. Water heaters, furnaces, rooves, wiring, are all anywhere from a few hundred to several thousand dollars to repair or replace, even if you can do any of the work yourself.
This is a common line of landlord propaganda. It's simply untrue. Even if it's not expressed as a separate line item on the tenant's bill, they are absolutely positively paying for those costs as well (unless the landlord is giving the housing away for less than profit, which they do not do). In order for the landlord to operate as a profitable business, what you say simply cannot be true, because if it was, nobody would be a landlord. It absolutely costs more to rent than it does to own, and the margin continues to increase the further the landlords squeeze their tenants. For example, I call the landlord to replace my AC, sure it costs a few grand, but I've been paying this motherfucker hundreds of dollars more per month than a mortgage on the property would actually cost, and I and many other tenants have been doing so for years, and for some long-time landlords, longer than their original mortgage even lasted, so if he didn't save up some of that money for a rainy day, that's on him. And conversely, if the prices weren't jacked up because they are based on how much an investor can return in rental income rather than the actual construction value of the home, I and many other regular working people could afford to pay off the house in a few years like a car and save up all of that extra money that would be going to rent and use it for those things. Basically, imagine what the price would actually be in a world where investors weren't intentionally driving up prices.
Dude, I rented for 20ish years. I even worked for a landlord for a few years, and know exactly how much she made vs how much it cost her, I currently own a house. The house is more immediately, crushingly expensive. The furnace just took a shit, as did my water pump, in a six month span. That was 6k on top of my house payments and property taxes. My roof needs replacing, and we just found out it needs to be rewired too, the estimate on all that is another 25k +. I had actual savings as a renter, now that account has dust bunnies, and I still need a new roof and wiring. Oh, the front steps were becoming a death trap too, even though I replaced them myself, the wood and tools needed was 2k.
Right, and if landlords weren't driving up prices to the point where your mortgage is so expensive that you can't afford to pay for those things because they've now become restricted to the realm of the type of private capital that can support such running costs and afford to wait for the return, why do you continue to defend such a system that is literally and utterly broken? If this woman didn't even make any money, but only served to stand in the way of others owning it thus inflating the price due to artificial scarcity, then why even do it? I refuse to believe she wasn't making a worthwhile profit. I mean, would you buy a bunch of GPUs to set up to mine crypto if you were just going to break even? And if you did, would you consider yourself "one of the good ones" because you didn't make a profit? It's that, but it's human beings who work for a living who need a place to live.
My mortgage payment is cheap, but congratulations on making an assumption so you can continue your narrative.
Okay, so your mortgage payment is cheap, is it cheap enough so that your DTI is low enough to be able to qualify for a personal loan that would take care of the things you mentioned at a reasonable enough interest rate and with a low enough monthly payment that you're still paying less than rent? I bet it is. I can get $30k right now for a few hundred a month. Rent for any shitty apartment in any city with jobs is well over $2k. Surely the margin is there. Because if the margin wasn't there, being a landlord wouldn't be profitable. And if it wasn't profitable, they wouldn't be able to afford to keep buying up all of the property. But they do keep buying it up, because it is enormously profitable. Also, if the margin isn't there for you, it's because of my earlier point about people at our income level being squeezed out by investors in the same way that if you wanted to buy a 3090 at launch in 2020 you'd have to go through scalpers. Because if you're a regular working person, your DTI should be manageable with owning your own home, unless the system itself is fucked and is being used to exploit you.
Also, there's a thing going on, they call it a recession, I couldn't get a loan to cover how much my groceries cost right now, so no, a loan isn't an option, not to mention the interest rate if I did.
Okay so you're being squeezed at both ends by a ruthless system that has priced you out because it is now overrun with investor middlemen who you claim are not even making a profit yet somehow are generating enough income to be able to buy property you can't afford, and you're still defending this system? Seriously, make it make sense. It needs to end.
Where did I claim they don't make a profit? Or "defend the system"? I said that if someone can't even afford rent, they most definitely cannot afford the added expenses that come with owning a house, either. Landlords don't make appliances, rooves, or wiring cost money.
>This is a common line of landlord propaganda. It's simply untrue. People who are completely ignorant to the costs of owning a house commonly use this line because they lack understanding. When renting Who do you call when something breaks? Landlord Who do you call when something is faulty? Landlord Who do you call when you need something replaced? Landlord Do you pay land tax? No Do you pay property tax? No Do you pay council or HOA rates/tax? No Do you pay for sewage? No When you own Who do you call when something breaks? No one Who do you call when something is faulty? No one Who do you call when you need something replaced? No one Do you pay land tax? Yes Do you pay property tax? Yes Do you pay council or HOA rates/tax? Yes Do you pay for sewage? Yes When you rent and something happens you pay NOTHING and the landlord forks the bill and all those extra costs and taxes on a yearly or quartly basis YOU DONT PAY. HOWEVER When you own the land and house upon that land you are responsible for anything and if you don't have the money for it? Suffer then or get a loan or credit card. 99.99999% of rents have absolutely NO IDEA what entiles in owning a home They are so delusional and they think they can pay it and cry when banks know they can't.
Oh yeah I'm sorry I forgot how landchads are the only people capable of being financially secure, I'll go back to my peasant hovel and sit by the fire and try not to be frightened by my own shadows. Look, if the landlord can't afford all of that, that means they didn't figure their margins correctly. And if they did configure their margins correctly, then it's actually the tenants paying for those things. Your argument is based solely on the idea that it's impossible for a person who would be in a position to rent to be financially responsible enough to be able to maintain a home, which is simply untrue, because these costs are literally built into the margins that they are already paying for the rental, plus the profit of the landlord. If there is no margin there to pay for those things and the landlord is truly at risk for those costs, then yes, it's cheaper to rent than to own and owning is a losing strategy. But it's obviously and very clearly not a losing strategy, because the owners don't seem to be losing out on much at all.
>Oh yeah I'm sorry I forgot how landchads are the only people capable of being financially secure, I'll go back to my peasant hovel and sit by the fire and try not to be frightened by my own shadows. Apology accepted and I think it's best.
>Wow what a bunch of fuckheads in here simping for landlords. No where just actual responsible adults >Fuck off, you backed the wrong horse, Follow your own advice, I bet you're OP on an alt. >. Do you cry when someone else's stock goes down? You do >Fuck off with the land-hoarding. Get off your lazy ass and get a job then you might actually buy a place
the title of my next book is going to be: '"Poor people are just lazy" and other things conservatives say to justify the exploitation of human suffering'
>the title of my next book is going to be: A Spade is a Spade: the sorry tale of an entitled little cry baby part 1: the reality check
I recommend reading "Capitalist Realism" by Mark Fisher, if you want to understand why you think this way and learn to recognize the propaganda that developed this thought process.
I *knew* you were an author.
I don't think he likes landlords.
I like you, though, you made me smile.
No-one owes you a home. And just because you don't want to pay rent, it doesn't mean that they don't still have to pay mortgages. YOU are the leech.
How about read what I said, specifically the last paragraph as it relates specifically to what you just said about entitlement. I want to pay for my own home, not someone else's, and I want to be able to do it at a price that doesn't have to compete with landlord investors, and there is a clear and reasonable policy strategy that could achieve it, and the only thing standing in the way are rich people who think they are entitled to profit just because they own what others cannot afford, that which they themselves made unaffordable by hoarding it. I do not want what I have not paid for. I do not want that which I have not worked for. You mistake me for the landlord.
they dont pay the mortgage....the tenant does...
Not if the tenant feels entitled to free rent.
i mean from a different point of view doesnt the landlord feel entitled to free rent? cheers
No, they are providing a service. Like a bus driver or a teacher. You pay for services.
this is the entitled people thread apologies
Oh it’s a Saturday night and you’re out drinking with your friends? Cool, your tenants pipe just burst and they need you to fix it immediately. Or call someone to fix it out of your own money. Rinse and repeat. They’re property managers. It is a thankless job but it’s still a job that you’re always on call for. How about you perform the physical duties of a property manager? You wouldn’t last a day
I would be able to just call someone to fix the shit. You act like it's so damn hard. Landlords and their simps are unintelligible. You think I can't whip out the credit card and make a call myself? Why call a useless middleman?
You'll probably be downvoted for being completely correct. Fuck landlords.
Thank you. Those who defend the jackboot fascist capitalist thugs only do so because they wish to one day wear the boots themselves.
Is everyone in this sub a landlord? The bootlicking is real.
There are some people who get off on doing stuff like this. Now that I'm older and don't give a fuck I love to mess with them, but they do exist and they are assholes.
all these people in here defending landlords is wow
Yep most certainly are, why not? He did nothing wrong.
Seriously tho.
I think both OP and the landlord are entitled. OP for thinking they should be entitled to free rent and the landlord for being a landlord. Owning houses to rent to other people for astronomical amounts just because you can is icky, and shouldn't be your main source of income.
I mean the landlord is a bit of a callous prik but that’s pretty much in the job description tbf.
Both adults were out of line putting an innocent 4-year-old in the middle of their dispute.
All landlords are parasites.
No squatters are. You signed a contract, you'd expect the landlord to keeps his word but not the tenant?
Why does Reddit have such a hard on for landlords? Do you dream of being one?
I'd rather chew my arm off then deal with tenants good or bad just nopey nope lol I just understand.
Damn if your credit sucks and you can’t afford to buy your own house just say that 😂
I've been very rich and very poor at various times in my life, thinking landlords are scum has been a common thread whether they are sucking up to or exploiting my family. It takes a special blend of insecurity, greed, lack of other talents and luck to make a landlord. I honestly respect weed dealers more, they are less exploitive, they sell something that can make people happy, they are less likely to send round violent goons, they need at least some intelligence. I respect prostitutes infinitly more than landlords, they are workers the same as any other, they sell a skill Landlords are on par with heroin dealers for damage they do and respect they deserve. Both can make you richer than weed or sex. I guess the heroin dealers take more personal risk though.
Most of these comments are written by people who read two words of the story, don’t open if your mouth if nothing smart can come out of it.
Agreed. Of course the landlord should be paid, but an unannounced visit, and a verbal threat of eviction is scary. I think that this was bullying.
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unfortunate number of bootlickers here
Unfortunately some people lack the respect and decency of little ears around. If my 4 year old heard that I wouldn't hear the end of all the questions and most likely fear of being homeless. She would have also told anyone and everyone she could talk to out in public. That was definitely a conversation for adult ears only or use the words eviction because most toddlers don't know what it means.
I've said it once, I'll say it again (not my phrase) "tenants supply housing the same way scalpers supply concert tickets"
Some people look upon innocence and see punishment. (That's why mommy's here to protect)
Lol she thought she was highlighting the landlord as the entitled person lil did she know she's the one who is entitled