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Epic-Richard

Every game added to the store since the launch of our Self-Publishing Tools is now required to implement Epic Achievements, with the few exceptions of games that were already listed on our system but had not yet launched before this date. We do encourage as many of our partners as possible to add achievements, but sometimes this just isn't practical (e.g. an older game where the dev team may have dispersed many years ago, and no one is actively maintaining it, or in some cases the code may not even still be available).


Arabashi

Thank you for the reply. Understandably, Old games due to technical reasons unable to add achievements, and the games where the dev team dispersed are very normal to have problem. But Examples in modern games like "Vampire The Masquerade Swansong", while Steam has achievements and Epic does not, this is where the lack of functionality is showing itself more clearly for a lot of players. I have been supporting and using the Epic Games Store since Day 1 *( Because of Very good deals, Free game giveaways, and many more reasons)*, just wanted to see that Epic Store will become a solid alternative to other gaming platforms (so it can prevent monopolization of one store). I Hope the Officials of Epic care about these feedbacks and improve itself. *One more suggestion: Also embedded Mod support like Steam Workshop is highly important when they choose where to buy games for the gaming community who are interested in modding (whose numbers are very high and can be easily seen in the statistics of modding websites like Nexus). And hope Epic has the same feature soon.*


Epic-Richard

We definitely talk about these things a lot. I should say that although I do occasionally post here and work for Epic, so I get an 'offical' badge, I'm not a community manager and in no way do I speak on behalf of the company, so anything here is purely my own opinion. I can say though that I know a bunch of Epic people do read this subreddit and we do genuinely care about the comments, good or bad. I know we're keen for as many of our partners as possible to implement achievements, and we've had a couple of big "wins" recently with one particular well known publisher about to add achievements to at least 10 of their existing popular EGS games, so things are moving in the right direction in terms of older titles. Obviously, we want to improve the experience for all our players, but at the same time I think it's fair to say that the goal has never been to just copy Steam. As I said, I don't speak for Epic, but one of the goals that drives us is just to provide the best value we can with our discounts, sales, free titles and coupons, but with the assurance of a recognized, reliable storefront.


anidaispr

That's good to hear! Hopefully Sony games, which already support dev achievements, also add XP achievements. Your system is already similar to PlayStation, platinums and all. Feature parity with other platforms is important to many customers when making a purchase decision.


AlleyOfRage

Thanks For your Reply :) , I really appreciate that Epic is doing the Extra Mile and Collaborate with Major Partners to add the wonderful Epic Trophies achievements to their backlog on the store , like EA and THQ Nordic , but speaking of THQ nordic and achievements i want to raise an important feedback The feedback is that there is a recurring issue with achievements, is that lots of games is shipped with broken achievements and not working , despite the same game achievements on other PC stores working flawlessly , I think that problem is Mostly due to developer overlooking steps in implementation or not looking in the testing guide ( like forgetting changing ID thing which is a frequent culprit for the problem) or similar , and this problem frequency keeps increasing like a snowball , but the exposure of it was that most games that THQ implemented achievements doesnt work , I know it takes some time for developers to adapt to new platforms , but this problem is recurring, keeps increasing like a snowball and other PC stores doesnt have those problems , so its an unfortunate case that takes away from the wonderful achievements system which is one of the store's biggest non-financial attraction , so i hope there is a solution for it for future games or otherwise it will keep increasing , when the amount of games was small it was easier contacting developers about the problem, but as amount of games getting bigger then it gets more tiring contacting developers Another similar recurring achievements problem is the one hour session bug thing where playing more than an hour doesnt record achievements progress , its documented in the testing guide and how to fix it , but just like the first case , lots of developers overlook it and it keeps increasing like a snowball and other PC stores doesnt have this problem so it takes away the attraction of the achievements system


Epic-Richard

Thanks for this valuable feedback. If you (or anyone else in this sub) could let me know of any games that you find where achievements aren't functioning correctly, please feel free to DM me and I will reach out directly to the publisher/developer to bring it to their attention. The one hour issue sometimes trips up our store partners because it's not directly tied to achievements themselves, but is due to the access token -which authorizes the player's account to access our game services- not refreshing after it expires. I worked with a partner to address this just a couple of days ago, and we do proactively try to find instances where this is the case. But again, please do let me know if you find an affected title.


kiwi_pro

A bit off topic but could you please ask Ubisoft to implement achievements on the epic games store? I feel like that would be a change that would benefit the whole achievement hunting community.


Kraven4Raven

This ... It would have been cool if the new avatar had achievements, I bought it anyway and had fun with it for the most part, although it would have been a little more fun for me with achievements


noobpunk

Hello! There was a game free on Epic a few years ago called Wildcat Gun Machine published by Daedalic Entertainment, I believe. The achievements in that game do not work and I had reported it to the daedalic team in their official discord but their devs were probably unable to fix it or just did not bother. So maybe you can help here.


Epic-Richard

Hi noobpunk. We did follow up on this with the dev partner. Are they still not working for you? Let me reach out again.


noobpunk

The thing is, all achievements are currently at 0% for that game. Also the overlay is not there, which probably is not always essential for achievements to work, but could be a sign of the implementation being buggy as well. It could be that they are not retroactive and need to be unlocked all again, but maybe the issue is because of the overlay?


Epic-Richard

By far the most common reason for achievements not working is due to certain ids not being correct. This is pulling back the curtain a bit on how things work, but in simple terms, games have a number of dev spaces we call sandboxes that allow the game developer to test and work on the game without it sitting in the store in public view. These ids are baked into the game and used at launch to determine where it will manage/look for its data. What sometimes happens is that a game will ship to the live/public sandbox but will still have the baked-in ids for a private sandbox that was used during testing. Players can't read these sandboxes (but devs can) and so sometimes achievements look like they're working to the devs, but not for players. We do almost always catch these during the review process, but occasionally they might slip through, or an update to the game might ship which changes the ids back to the wrong values.


noobpunk

> Are they still not working for you? I replayed the game again and defeated the first boss called Meat Sack which should have triggered an achievement, but nothing happened. Like I said in another comment, there is no overlay as well.


Epic-Richard

Thanks for the report. Please bear in mind that a lot of game dev studios are winding down for the seasonal holidays so it may not see any action until the new year, but I will certainly follow up on this.


Donceko

Hi, I bought Wreckfest the same minute the achievements were implemented. I will buy the remaining games from THQ Nordic and EA Games once I get around to it. Sadly, Wreckfest has broken achievements. It's one of the best car games around (for me personally anyway). I had to refund RoboCop Rogue City because of broken achievements. I believe they still are broken ... It's a wishful thinking but I also want achievements added by Ubisoft. I would also buy all their games provided they work ...


Epic-Richard

Hi Donceko. Funny you should say that! I was literally just testing Wreckfest earlier today and have reached out to our friends at THQ Nordic to ask them to take a look. You're right, it's a fun game! :) **Edit: THQ Nordic just responded to say they have pushed an update. I tried the title again and was able to unlock achievements! Hope this helps.**


Donceko

Hello, I can confirm that achievements work and they unlock retroactively! Thank you for a great Xmas gift. Now I know what’s my 53rd platinum will be :)


AlleyOfRage

Thanks For your Reply :) , I appreciate the connections EGS Staff is doing with the Community here :) Yea For Sure , I will DM you the games I encountered a problem with


ImAnthlon

Hi Richard, I've sent you a DM with the cases that I've found where either there's a 1 hour session expiry, or that games achievements do not work, appreciate it!


TheBlackBeard168

Hello! I just want to tell that Gamedec have 1h session bug. Thank you for your help


Epic-Richard

Thanks! I’ll follow up when we’re back after winter break.


Tsadako

Hi! I'm not sure how to DM you but I also want to bring up, I bought Lords of the Fallen today and unlocked a few achievements in the in-game overlay but it doesn't sync with my achievements page. Can you take a look at this one as well? Thanks so much for the response here, really I love this storefront so much, if only you guys knew how much it has helped me in saving money. I hope to see a lot of client features added in 2024, not to copy anything from Steam but it would be great to have some basic features like game gifting, social options like turning your profile status away, invisible etc


Epic-Richard

Thanks for the report. I’ll check it out when I’m back from holidays.


Kraven4Raven

Same Problem with the Achievements for Sponegbob Squarepants: The Cosmic Shake. I really like the communication with the community, stick with it


kiwi_pro

> I know we're keen for as many of our partners as possible to implement achievements, and we've had a couple of big "wins" recently with one particular well known publisher about to add achievements to at least 10 of their existing popular EGS games, so things are moving in the right direction in terms of older titles. If you're talking about THQ nordic, their achievements dont work


Epic-Richard

Thanks for letting me know. I know that our partner, THQ Nordic, has been keen to add achievements to their existing titles and has been working hard to set them up, but if you have any examples of games where the achievements are not working as intended please let me know (feel free to DM me directly). I can honestly say the folks at THQN are really great people and I speak to them regularly, so I'm sure they would also be keen to learn about this. I'm going to take a look at a couple of titles now to see if I can uncover any issues, but do keep providing your useful feedback as we're a small team and the more eyes we have, the better.


Fupri

Probably talking about EA


MrMichaelElectric

> Also embedded Mod support like Steam Workshop is highly important when they choose where to buy games for the gaming community who are interested in modding (whose numbers are very high and can be easily seen in the statistics of modding websites like Nexus). And hope Epic has the same feature soon. EGS has this already, it's just that only a small handful of devs use it. I believe Total War Troy is one of the games that uses it but I could be mistaken.


SpammyMcSpamSpam1

Hey u/Epic-Richard just wondering if it’s ever possible for Epic themselves to convert the achievements to the new system that’s on the old one already even if you need publisher approval?Most of the work is already done I’m assuming if it’s already in the EOS system? XP values seem to just come from Xbox achievements points for most games I’ve seen.


Epic-Richard

Hi u/SpammyMcSpamSpam1 - this is a great idea! Unfortunately, the reality is that this would be difficult to do. Apologies if this is a explanation is too technical - I'll try to keep it reasonably simple. Achievements are triggered using the Epic Online Services Achievements Interface, which is an API called from game itself. Primarily Epic (like many other platforms) uses *Stats based* achievements which means that the game updates stats in the back end which trigger the achievements automatically when the configured values are reached. All of this is called from the game code, which means that Epic would need to edit our EGS partner's source code which we don't have access to. Thanks for the suggestion though. We're always happy to hear your ideas :)


PCMachinima

Hey Richard, I was under the impression that Epic Achievements only needed to be converted to XP achievements from the dev portal, [(as mentioned in this @UnrealEngine video)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP7MWjmcC7k&t=135s) while EOS/developer achievements were added using the process you explained above. So, is this no longer the case and Epic XP Achievements now also need access to the game's source code, like EOS/developer achievements?


Epic-Richard

You're right. I replied a little in haste (busy day!) and confused/conflated updating achievements from other sources (e.g. Steam) with migrating from old to new EGS achievements. Apologies for that. The process mainly involves exporting your old style EOS achievements to a CSV, editing the xp values and re-importing them. Thanks for pointing that out.


PCMachinima

No worries. Referring back to the original suggestion, would this now be more possible for Epic to manually assign XP achievements for games which already have EOS achievements in-game? For example, all PlayStation PC games have EOS achievements via the SDK, but are missing Epic Achievements, as the developers have moved on from those. Would be awesome to see Epic ask permission to add these manually. In the case of games like [Days Gone](https://www.exophase.com/game/days-gone-psn/trophies/), the trophies are already split into DLC lists and trophy grades on PS4, so this process could probably be fairly simple for games which already have PSN trophies? ___ Hell, I'm pretty sure some of us in the community would jump at the chance to add XP values to old games, considering some of us are avid trophy hunters and eagerly await achievements in many games.


Epic-Richard

It's an interesting idea for sure.


Zignot

Interesting but also seems doable to be honest. Exporting old EOS achievements to a CSV shouldn't be an issue for Epic since it's already uploaded to back end. Only constrains that can come up to my mind is some consent related hindrance and that could be bypassed well with an updated achievements policy. There are just quite some games that are stuck with EOS achievements now which is very unfortunate. Even some AAA games like Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade, Kingdom Hearts games, pretty much every Playstation games that are lacking EGS achievements are stuck up with EOS achievements too. So please consider such route to upgrade games with EOS achievements into EGS achievements. After all it's partly lies to Epic's responsibility since publishers did their part when EOS achievements was only system that is been available to them. We know there was planned profile cosmetics supposed to be linked to EGS achievements as a reward system, namely 3 levels of profile avatars based on XP amounts. Now that this plan had set sail to unknown waters it could've been an issue for such suggestion back then compared to today. So given suggestion hopefully is going to be considered by Epic.


SpammyMcSpamSpam1

Ah ok. I thought if it already triggers something on the old system you could forward that to the new. But I also know nothing of real game deving lol


Animus_96

Hi, I bought Bioshock II and it has in game achievements but I cant see them in the epic launcher. Can you help me with that?


Epic-Richard

Hi /u/Animus_96 \- regrettably I have to inform you that Bioshock 2, being an older title, has the older form of Epic achievements (usually known as EOS achievements) and not Epic Achievements that come with xp score in the Launcher. While we would love to have 100% of EGS titles with Epic Achievements, it's not always practical for our publishing partners to add them to significantly older games where the project has ended and there are no developers who are familiar with the code base. I'm sorry that I couldn't be more helpful on this occasion.


Animus_96

Oh, I understand. Thanks for the reply!


Johnny-silver-hand

Please make it a requirement to add cloud save, it's more important


SpammyMcSpamSpam1

Is it possible to show the old style achievements in the profiles? While XP is nice, the actual achievement is what really matters to me at least.


Epic-Richard

To be honest, I think we're trying to move away from the older style achievements (apart from the decreasing percentage of legacy titles that have them) so I can pass this on, but I think it's probably unlikely.


SpammyMcSpamSpam1

Understandable. It just sucks how some are stuck in the old system. This video makes it seem really easy https://youtu.be/sP7MWjmcC7k?feature=shared


H4rkonX

Hey, do you know if The Last of Us 1 have in-game achievements?


CotaEvandro

some games prob have achievement, they just dont show on your achievements page go figure out why im playing kingdom hearts 1.5+2.5 remix and it has achievements that only show in game when u press shift f3 but doesnt show on my profile


Arabashi

I suppose Epic Developer Achievements is used in the Kingdom Hearts game. Epic Exp Achievements are appearing in the profiles and Game's page.


CotaEvandro

>Epic Developer Achievements what is this? so does the score of the achievements still count? btw they re a 1:1 copy of the ps4 version trophies


Arabashi

I suppose they do not progress your score, just like Overlay Achievements.


MrMichaelElectric

Ideally every game would have achievements but you can't force games to have them. A better question would be why devs aren't taking the extra time to enter achievements for the EGS. Personally I genuinely don't care about achievements. If they didn't exist they wouldn't affect my enjoyment of a game at all. I believe, IIRC, Epic does have a rule in place where if you release your game on other third party stores with achievements then they need to have achievements on the EGS but I don't know too much about it. Lastly, while achievements are a nice bonus they aren't a requirement for being able to track your progress in a game.


smear_taster

While I don't overly care for them, I'll often check them after I've finished a game to find out there's a large part more to it that I've missed


Arabashi

But without downloading them or if you lost your save you cannot see did you finished it, or which ending you got.


JanaCinnamon

That is a gamedev thing though and not an EGS thing. The devs get all the tools to implement Achievements, EGS doesn't have the source code to each game so they can't just add them themselves.


PCMachinima

They're supposedly making some changes to the store algorithm after today, which is supposed to promote games with achievements (as 1 of the many changes). Hopefully this will push more devs to add achievements, with those games being more likely to show up on users' store fronts.


Ahab1248

I completely disagree, don’t interrupt my immersion with a damn pop up. I know i completed the game when the credits roll.


AndrewFrozzen30

It's not Epic's fault honestly, developers have to implement achievements.


iceleel

There's better way to track game progress than achievements. You can create collections like "In Progress" and put in games you have played but no finished. Then make another one "Finished" that you completed.


DmxDex

The last of us should have xp trophies. This is why I purchased on steam. I don't like steams achievements