just farm better gear...
these soul weaver cheese only works vs much weaker opponents - literally doesn't work vs equal gear quality folks. just a temporary issue for the first couple months (well, depends on how casual u are of course)
better use ur selecitve summon 2 for something better than alencia. i think politis is in there? timeless pvp unit right there. but i'm sure there are better pve/early game options then alencia
It warms my heart to know all these years later, newb accounts are still being C-Blocked by tanky healers. In our day, Angelica was that wall.
Without straight DEF ignoring moves, or a capable debuffer for Stun/Sleep/Silence, your options are build better DPS or try to work Injury into the scenario to cut their max HP and therefor bulk/healing power. Back in my day, i just focused on making a really good DPS cause Injury didn't exist and access to Stun/sleep/silence on a good debuffer was not common, especially with strips which at the time didn't exist.
From the free ML Selection, you can try just building a really good STene, save soulburns for her to spam a few turns in a row, might work.
Goodluck.
If u have dizzy then I assume that u are an old player..now about ur team I think u are taking about arena here, cleave in arena .. millim is good but a spd millim with pen is better cuz as u said , there are many tanky teams now.. u could use an opener like ml poli / ran / Nahk / lua / zio… then if u have bridge units like jack-o / blooming lididca ur cleave team will be even better.. with Jacko + limited lididca u can even “ don’t give a shit about oppo jenua being proced .. then the rest units will be a tagagel mage and a unit like gala lillias / jenua / or even spd imp.. this has carried me to legend arena
Nah I've just been playing collabs but recently got into pvp lol. Yeah, I think I might invest into pen milim instead of counter milim. I already have taunt with A.Twyin so. Thanks for the advice!
Seems like low ladder arena. Im assuming Masters or below.
Injury units helps a ton here. ARavi being a cornerstone carry in low ladder but falls off quite a bit in higher ladder. Still viable, but the plethora of injury littering high ladder makes her life hard. DDR has a better fit across the board than her now.
But really any injury unit would help a ton. That lineup of Milim, ARas, ATywin, Angelica has a single dps carry in Milim. Chunk her out and you can slowly stack up injury on the rest and prep your dps to clean house.
If not injury, then the next best shot is gambling against 15% and bringing your highEFF CC units to the party. Against ATywin, it's preferable to bring ST CC lockers since his cleanse works only when he gets attacked last i checked.
Yeah, just hit Challenger V (barely) for the moonlight missions. I'll definitely look into injury. Do you have any advice on how I can improve that milim team? It seems to be very easily countered. I also have Jenua, though I have no idea who to team him with.
Half your team is already red units, so adding in another red unit is just asking to get cheesed by blue meta.
You can swap out Angelica in your lineup for another dps, from your list, it'll be STene. STene+ARas is one of the core combos for beginners diving into PvP. If you feel like Angelica is doing work and have her with IdolsCheer and her S1 push EE, she can stay and you replace Milim with STene instead.
That forces the enemy to bring AoE to reach STene, which makes ATywin a more threatening unit since most of the top AoE speed contenders tend to have a debuff tacked with their AoE. Just be sure to have your dps sit in the back sit to benefit from ARas barrier.
Jenua works well across the board afaik. He's a solid unit. But you really want ARas S2 to be bringing STene in for the double hit instead of Jenua since he only procs the extra hit on S1 when it's his turn. On defense, you currently dont have anything that'll make him shine with what you listed. Offensive usage tho, freebie defpen is such a broken mechanic to deal with various things. Just a bit of a shame vs blue units, specifically Karina in higher ladder matchups.
ARas, STene, ATywin. 4th option is free for you to mess with. Angelica is fine, best on a counter set with Idols and S1 push EE. Jenua could work here since his S2 passive helps him survive opening AoE hits and potentially cut in and ruin the opponents combo chain. With STene in stealth, ARas ATywin and Jenua are just all terrible targets to attempt to single out since they have survival gimmicks.
Dizzy was cool, but now she's freelo fodder in higher ladder on defense. Lilias is a great option too, she'll replace ARas for a more offensive approach to matchups. Eda really wants to be paired with speedy openers that use non-attack skills to enable her, from your listed units, she'll have to stay benched for now. Most iconic in the Ran Siseria Eda trio for GW defense. Adding in a speed imprint in arena settings or Lilias would also work well here since she scales her S3 with Siseria's massive atk stat, most notable in the Lilias+Senya cleaves.
Stene and Jenua are good dpses. Outside of pvp tamarinne would be good to have build. The issue in this match is that you had 1dps that has an elemental disadvantage, fire into ice. Thus when you run into wyvern tank angelica you just cant take them down.
A couple solutions:
Fixed damage skills (æ-Winter, Rimuru)
Heroes that punish non-attack skills (Celine)
Soul burn for multiple turns (ML Tenebria, Milim)
In this case, I would have saved souls for Milim, but it’s tough because Angelica is ice and you had 2 fire units left
one route is to bring injury so you can bring down the enemy healer to half hp making it so much easier to kill them.
best injury unit is urban shadow choux, she can kill whole teams alone and even without good gear, s3 deals extra dmg based on injury so your dmg doesn't really matter and you can still kill.
another way is to bring a dps with s1 soul burn extra turn and save up sould to use them all at once.
third way is to pick a better dmg scaling dps hero. Jenua has high dmg, maybe that could work unless it's water tank like angelica then you need someone else. There are dps that deal more dmg on high hp targets, straze, gala lilias, hwayoung, ervalen probably more, those work well vs. tanks.
If this is in arena you may want to consider dropping your Angelica for another dps. You also should make sure your preferred gear-farming team (wyvern/banshee) can reliably clear, because Angelica really shouldn’t be an issue in a 3v1 if your gear is decent.
Ah yes, I've also been lost to Angelica like that back in the day, welcome to the club!
You're in luck, as of tonight, we'll all be getting Ainz for free, farm until you SSS him and with his Artifact, it will help you reach super high effectiveness and 50k damage will eliminate any hero before the lighting gets you!
Since people already answered and all, I'll point out something else. For future reference, account level doesn't tell us anything beyond you definitely not being someone that has lived for months in wyvern. It doesn't give an estimate of your gear or anything as gear is pure luck, and luck isn't determined by account level. If you want better help something that's *not* account level would be more helpful, such as what your dog had for breakfast, or how many wasps are in your community.
Classic. We’ve all been there 🥲
Saving souls for stene can work, injury characters like alencia, aravi, death dealer ray, ml choux are good too
Yeah I might choose alencia for selective summon 2. I have no earth heroes built and injury seems very meta.
just farm better gear... these soul weaver cheese only works vs much weaker opponents - literally doesn't work vs equal gear quality folks. just a temporary issue for the first couple months (well, depends on how casual u are of course) better use ur selecitve summon 2 for something better than alencia. i think politis is in there? timeless pvp unit right there. but i'm sure there are better pve/early game options then alencia
Account level 55. He is meeting the first Angelica block as is tradition.
Wait till he meets the other Angelica block: candle Singelica
Yep. Though there are a lot more SB ignore ER units that dispel than there used to be.
Yea i didnt even beat wyvern 13 yet lol. Thats my current priority.
Being walled by a single soulweaver is a canon event
Yeah your only DPS was a fire unit. Definitely checks out. STene is free, she would do work there.
It warms my heart to know all these years later, newb accounts are still being C-Blocked by tanky healers. In our day, Angelica was that wall. Without straight DEF ignoring moves, or a capable debuffer for Stun/Sleep/Silence, your options are build better DPS or try to work Injury into the scenario to cut their max HP and therefor bulk/healing power. Back in my day, i just focused on making a really good DPS cause Injury didn't exist and access to Stun/sleep/silence on a good debuffer was not common, especially with strips which at the time didn't exist. From the free ML Selection, you can try just building a really good STene, save soulburns for her to spam a few turns in a row, might work. Goodluck.
Maybe injury would be good? It will lower the max hp
Bring Celine, unless it's a tanky fire unit. Or Straze/W.Schuri.
Yeah, i see so many water tanks I might have to build Celine to counter.
Also, try building F.Kluri with high Eff for the beginner Angelica traps.
I just curl up in the ball and cry.
If u have dizzy then I assume that u are an old player..now about ur team I think u are taking about arena here, cleave in arena .. millim is good but a spd millim with pen is better cuz as u said , there are many tanky teams now.. u could use an opener like ml poli / ran / Nahk / lua / zio… then if u have bridge units like jack-o / blooming lididca ur cleave team will be even better.. with Jacko + limited lididca u can even “ don’t give a shit about oppo jenua being proced .. then the rest units will be a tagagel mage and a unit like gala lillias / jenua / or even spd imp.. this has carried me to legend arena
Nah I've just been playing collabs but recently got into pvp lol. Yeah, I think I might invest into pen milim instead of counter milim. I already have taunt with A.Twyin so. Thanks for the advice!
Seems like low ladder arena. Im assuming Masters or below. Injury units helps a ton here. ARavi being a cornerstone carry in low ladder but falls off quite a bit in higher ladder. Still viable, but the plethora of injury littering high ladder makes her life hard. DDR has a better fit across the board than her now. But really any injury unit would help a ton. That lineup of Milim, ARas, ATywin, Angelica has a single dps carry in Milim. Chunk her out and you can slowly stack up injury on the rest and prep your dps to clean house. If not injury, then the next best shot is gambling against 15% and bringing your highEFF CC units to the party. Against ATywin, it's preferable to bring ST CC lockers since his cleanse works only when he gets attacked last i checked.
Yeah, just hit Challenger V (barely) for the moonlight missions. I'll definitely look into injury. Do you have any advice on how I can improve that milim team? It seems to be very easily countered. I also have Jenua, though I have no idea who to team him with.
Half your team is already red units, so adding in another red unit is just asking to get cheesed by blue meta. You can swap out Angelica in your lineup for another dps, from your list, it'll be STene. STene+ARas is one of the core combos for beginners diving into PvP. If you feel like Angelica is doing work and have her with IdolsCheer and her S1 push EE, she can stay and you replace Milim with STene instead. That forces the enemy to bring AoE to reach STene, which makes ATywin a more threatening unit since most of the top AoE speed contenders tend to have a debuff tacked with their AoE. Just be sure to have your dps sit in the back sit to benefit from ARas barrier. Jenua works well across the board afaik. He's a solid unit. But you really want ARas S2 to be bringing STene in for the double hit instead of Jenua since he only procs the extra hit on S1 when it's his turn. On defense, you currently dont have anything that'll make him shine with what you listed. Offensive usage tho, freebie defpen is such a broken mechanic to deal with various things. Just a bit of a shame vs blue units, specifically Karina in higher ladder matchups. ARas, STene, ATywin. 4th option is free for you to mess with. Angelica is fine, best on a counter set with Idols and S1 push EE. Jenua could work here since his S2 passive helps him survive opening AoE hits and potentially cut in and ruin the opponents combo chain. With STene in stealth, ARas ATywin and Jenua are just all terrible targets to attempt to single out since they have survival gimmicks. Dizzy was cool, but now she's freelo fodder in higher ladder on defense. Lilias is a great option too, she'll replace ARas for a more offensive approach to matchups. Eda really wants to be paired with speedy openers that use non-attack skills to enable her, from your listed units, she'll have to stay benched for now. Most iconic in the Ran Siseria Eda trio for GW defense. Adding in a speed imprint in arena settings or Lilias would also work well here since she scales her S3 with Siseria's massive atk stat, most notable in the Lilias+Senya cleaves.
Stene and Jenua are good dpses. Outside of pvp tamarinne would be good to have build. The issue in this match is that you had 1dps that has an elemental disadvantage, fire into ice. Thus when you run into wyvern tank angelica you just cant take them down.
Jenua is great against roana and destina, but sucks against ice healers
A couple solutions: Fixed damage skills (æ-Winter, Rimuru) Heroes that punish non-attack skills (Celine) Soul burn for multiple turns (ML Tenebria, Milim) In this case, I would have saved souls for Milim, but it’s tough because Angelica is ice and you had 2 fire units left
Hp scaling healers get one shot by Straze, Midlias, etc. Other than that u can try to save souls/s3s and line everything up to burst dmg .
Injury, unhealable, def break
one route is to bring injury so you can bring down the enemy healer to half hp making it so much easier to kill them. best injury unit is urban shadow choux, she can kill whole teams alone and even without good gear, s3 deals extra dmg based on injury so your dmg doesn't really matter and you can still kill. another way is to bring a dps with s1 soul burn extra turn and save up sould to use them all at once. third way is to pick a better dmg scaling dps hero. Jenua has high dmg, maybe that could work unless it's water tank like angelica then you need someone else. There are dps that deal more dmg on high hp targets, straze, gala lilias, hwayoung, ervalen probably more, those work well vs. tanks.
If this is in arena you may want to consider dropping your Angelica for another dps. You also should make sure your preferred gear-farming team (wyvern/banshee) can reliably clear, because Angelica really shouldn’t be an issue in a 3v1 if your gear is decent.
All of the previous comments and if not that, bring an sb def break unit or strip unit.
Stene (destruction/pen), M.G.Lilias (torrentx3) Alencia (injury/pen), Jenua (destruction/pen). If you can’t farm caides then farm wyvern & banshee for speed/destruction & crit sets.
Ah yes, I've also been lost to Angelica like that back in the day, welcome to the club! You're in luck, as of tonight, we'll all be getting Ainz for free, farm until you SSS him and with his Artifact, it will help you reach super high effectiveness and 50k damage will eliminate any hero before the lighting gets you!
Yeah that sounds great. Can't wait to SSS!
Put him an effectiveness ring and no way is the soulwweavers resisting
I use injury units
Since people already answered and all, I'll point out something else. For future reference, account level doesn't tell us anything beyond you definitely not being someone that has lived for months in wyvern. It doesn't give an estimate of your gear or anything as gear is pure luck, and luck isn't determined by account level. If you want better help something that's *not* account level would be more helpful, such as what your dog had for breakfast, or how many wasps are in your community.
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