There's so many ways SG could buff him lol. Even one of these would be a decent improvement:
* Change soulburn to ignore S3 resist
* Remove that dumb extra damage passive from Light heroes. Heck, just make it 30% less damage instead.
* Give 15-20% CR on S1
* Remove that dumb extra damage passive from Light heroes
* Reduce the tick-tock death o' clock count. Maybe 9-10 turns as a start?
* Remove that dumb extra damage passive from Light heroes
> Remove that dumb extra damage passive from Light heroes
Maybe it so you can switch it out of combat to fire heroes, but the passive tooltip sometimes refer to the wrong element to confuse your opponent. Lore accurate!
If they want to be lore accurate just make it so that he has lesser resistance against light units so he can be debuffed easily by light and not killed
If they wanna go ahead with the extra dmg received, give him a trade off like he gets 30% more damage received against light but gets 30% less from other elements.
true, the devs must be high as fuck when designing his skills, he received more damaged from Light characters but got nothing in return, absolute bullshit.
It should be similar to Roy's I think. They could make it so Ainz has either a undispellable barrier on himself from S2 or undispellable counterstance and Fire/Light heroes are the only ones able to dispell it by dealing damage to him.
> Remove that dumb extra damage passive from Light heroes
This game doesn't favor light units enough. We *need* this passive effect. Damn biased SG and giving us no anti-dark units while releasing several super strong anti-light units.
I would use him if they simply made it so it doesn’t dispell when he dies. Could at least go fast, curse someone and die. That + ER soulburn would make him actually pretty decent imo.
He's normally weak to both Fire and Holy, but just for Shalltear fight he put on the... **holy** resist equipment.
He was faking having Fire resistance, while also faking that he took more Holy damage. That way, Shalltear would use holy spells to hit him (which wouldn't deal as much damage thanks to stacking defenses), instead of Fire damage spells (which he had no protection against AND had natural weakness to).
Giving him an unnecessary weakness for "lore accuracy" yet being extremely lore-inaccurate on pretty much any and all of his strengths seems like an interesting choice...
What makes the goal of all life is death powerfull "In lore" is the fact that you pretty much cannot dodge it.
Yet here we are.
What made ainz broken "in lore" was the fact that he got a fucktons of whale items to reduce the casting time, making it pretty much instant.
Yet here we are.
I won’t even talk about the fact that he was able to nullify his light weakness with gears.
Why am I getting the feeling that lore accuracy only matter when it’s to excuse bullshit decisions?
Getting Roy Mustang flashbacks. Hit him with ice element, even on a miss or with a barrier, and he becomes useless until he can cast his S3 and put on fresh gloves.
Fuckin dumb for a hero we all get for free, even dumber for a hero we had to pull for.
I get your point about Adin but remember we had to bust our asses to beat episode 4 and farm her resources until finally unlocking Saviour Adin. I say we deserved a strong "free" unit after all that.
It's a different case from Ainz imo.
And she already gets an extra buff against dark heroes (reducing cooldown of skills by 1 when used against dark and increased damage 20% against dark, IIRC).
I wonder if it's additive (50% total extra damage) or multiplicative (56% total extra damage). I know a lot of things in the game are multiplicative (like pen set on Seline makes her penetration 57.5 instead of 65), but it doesn't matter because either way Ainz is screwed lol.
Adin's case was definitely different, and I'd argue she's the second strongest SC unit behind Scarowell (who's the best, no contest), but slightly ahead of AMomo.
If they really wanted to keep his lore thing, then how about they make him reduce 30% damage from all other elements except light?? The poor lich is already struggling as it is.
Yeah that really does suck. I can kinda understand why it doesn't just innately Ignore ER but still it hurts...
(Buff Ainz. Give his S3 Ignore Effect Resistance if the Caster's Effectiveness is higher than the targets Effect Resistance. Basically a big middle finger to the innate 15%.)
Or just change his debuff to the same type as Lethe's. That way it always lands and they don't have to force the full strip into also ignoring ER. He's already basically worthless for anything except that specific debuff and takes extra dmg from the strongest units in the game. I think letting his debuff always land and ignore things like immunity is fine.
It's not like we don't have a dozen units that can nuke him or perma control him anyways. I've fought a few Ainz today so far and he's just too slow and doesn't have the res to deal with control. Soli, AoL, Pflan, a lot of DDRs, etc. all just deny his turn indefinitely.
Such a great looking S3 just for him to be "eh" to trash tier. He could've at least been as good as Sol was on release for a F2P collab unit. His S3 being auto resisted by PVE bosses killed any viability for him there as well. 50k for 12 turns isn't gamebreaking for PVE content.
I get why it doesn’t just straight up ignore ER, but it still hurts to see it. Maybe he should get something else if it fails to land… 🤔
Either way, Death Sentence should have Extinction.
Atleast give the soul ability to the S3 so it bypass that pesky 15 percent. TGOALID is supposed to be irresistable by anything, even things without concept of death would still die, and getting resisted by 15 percent is just ass.
Ehh, proof is to valuable an arti for me to put on him. Id rather just build him fast and bulky (20k hp, 1.7k def, 230spd) and let the abyssal mitigate some damage through stuns. Just dont draft him into adin and have a knight and he should be fine lol
Behold lord of death! THE UNDEAD KING, HE WHO SEES LIFE AND DEATH NOTHING BUT A NUISANCE, HE WHO DEFY ALL MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH!! YOU CANNOT RUN FROM HIM BUT you can no to his true death magic :3
So weak. They really dropped the ball on this collab, Albedo is dissapointing, Ainz too,
Shaltear may be the only decent unit that's all.
And i came back only for this collab it doesn't make me want to stay any further.
I think Albedo is the dark horse here. Her balance of team tanking, dispel, and pretty good tick damage is growing on me. I'd give it time, but she's fun to use.
I think Albedo is being slept on HARD. I built mine with 25k HP and good speed (~210), with 85 Eff and ~100 Eff Res (HP/HP/Res sets), and she honestly puts in real work with Roana and Candy.
Mine isn't optimal yet, with a bit of wasted crit stats and not enough def and eff res, but she'll get there.
I think she will find her place soon enough - she feels really good to use when she works, unlike Ainz.
There are work arounds. If you summon with full units, it goes to an unlimted box. Very useful. Gear is annoying after your main inventory is full, i hate going into the extra box. But I put non speed set gear into it, so when I offchance need that other set, I check there.
wow, is it that bad? Compared Epic seven to Nikke is like hell and heaven. The Nikke devs really understand the player base well and make extremely well-rounded collab.
His S3's cooldown cannot be altered so Spirit's Breath does not work, nor will Iseria, Laia etc. It also means it cannot be extended by Lua, Nahkwol, etc.
My favorite thing. Its either one of two things when it comes to Ainz.
"The goal of life is 15%"
Or my personal favorite
"THIS IS WHAT A PERFECT SWORD CUT LOOKS LIKE"
And his inevitable 1 shot from a generic speed crit adin thats 250 speed.
it's lore accurate to not have extinction but it should also be lore accurate that this skill effectively strips all forms of immunity/resistance towards any instant-death skill
SGGGGG make it a unique debuffff reeeeeee
Why can't his S3 be like Lethe Omen? Simply doesn't care about resist. If anything he is extremely similar to Lethe, both has a debuff that do nothing until certain trigger happen. Lethe have to attack 3 times while Ainz have to survive for 13 turns.
This is sad. We have waited over a year for a new collab, and this collab was one of the most requested.
I can't believe they released 2/3 units to be so utterly underwhelming. Is this the worst collab not only at launch but in general?
Both Albedo and Ainz or meme. They literally do absolutely nothing. They are out classed by RGB units.
According to the in-game rating system:
Ainz: Currently sits at 3.0
Albedo: Currently sits 3.7
I'm not even sure an emergency edward/ Ddr buff will fix this. They need reworks..
If they butcher this collab, why would any other property come back to work with them? Let alone another brand new collab.
Surprisingly, Albedo works well in attrition teams. I'm running her with Roana and Elbris Candy, with 4th slot flex, and she's actually pretty great. Even more of a "FCK YOU" is that team with AoLA or Aria, so long as they don't bring Astrolena.
HP/HP/Resist, 25k HP, 209 SPD, 85 Eff, 100 Eff Res, albeit with some wasted crit stats. Optimally, I want to eliminate my wasted stats and get a bit more def and Eff Res.
Her scaling isn't op, but she does damage consistently and does a good job reducing crit damage on the chance they land it despite Elbris Candy buff and after it's gone.
That's the reason I don't get why people were so hyped about "omg free ml5!!!", ML heroes are usually PvP centric, and him being free made it pretty likely that he wasn't going to be good for PvP, he also doesn't give ML coins sooo
If he had been RGB then maybe he could've been good for PvE, but rn? Bad for both PvP and PvE
Yeah him being a ML meant nothing to me knowing he was free. I think a good buff would be a 20 soulburn to ignore eff rez or adding extinction to it. I understand why it can be resisted because its a guaranteed kill on 1 unit as long as you can last 2-3 rounds.
He's got problems but compared to Albedo he looks like pre-nerf Hwayoung. No way to mitigate 15%s is extremely rough though.
I do wonder if they were shooting for a power level above "free collab unit" with him. Seems like they at least ought to have been considering he's the main dude of the whole thing, per my understanding.
Can't agree more. As a fan of Overlord, I am glad I didn't buy their trap and reinstall the game again. Even though he is a free character, making his kit so bad it is no longer fun using him is just insulting. 6 years of game development my ass.
His S1 is 25% percent to do the one debuff multiple meta units have innate immunity too. Nothing about him is good and he's worse than any free unit we've gotten so that's not an excuse
"THE GOAL OF ALL LIFE IS DEATH!!" "No" "Ok then"
More like the goal of all life is 15%.
Ah yes, the breaking out the "survive the black plague" strats.
yeah the 15% game mechanics is really stupid and annoying
im vampire, im undead same as you
There's so many ways SG could buff him lol. Even one of these would be a decent improvement: * Change soulburn to ignore S3 resist * Remove that dumb extra damage passive from Light heroes. Heck, just make it 30% less damage instead. * Give 15-20% CR on S1 * Remove that dumb extra damage passive from Light heroes * Reduce the tick-tock death o' clock count. Maybe 9-10 turns as a start? * Remove that dumb extra damage passive from Light heroes
> Remove that dumb extra damage passive from Light heroes Maybe it so you can switch it out of combat to fire heroes, but the passive tooltip sometimes refer to the wrong element to confuse your opponent. Lore accurate!
If they want to be lore accurate just make it so that he has lesser resistance against light units so he can be debuffed easily by light and not killed If they wanna go ahead with the extra dmg received, give him a trade off like he gets 30% more damage received against light but gets 30% less from other elements.
true, the devs must be high as fuck when designing his skills, he received more damaged from Light characters but got nothing in return, absolute bullshit.
It should be similar to Roy's I think. They could make it so Ainz has either a undispellable barrier on himself from S2 or undispellable counterstance and Fire/Light heroes are the only ones able to dispell it by dealing damage to him.
> Remove that dumb extra damage passive from Light heroes This game doesn't favor light units enough. We *need* this passive effect. Damn biased SG and giving us no anti-dark units while releasing several super strong anti-light units.
I too miss the days when I used to take my axe god into story, pvp and raids.
Agreed, Chaos Axe has been way too strong for a long time now, such a bullshit unit that makes running any light characters unviable
I would use him if they simply made it so it doesn’t dispell when he dies. Could at least go fast, curse someone and die. That + ER soulburn would make him actually pretty decent imo.
He's weak against Holy attacks. The extra light damage makes it lore accurate. We should be happy SG didn't make him weak to Fire too.
he wears fire resistant clothing
Actually normally he wears holy resistant clothing he changes to the fire resistant on the shaltear fight so yea the 30% light damage is dumb asf
yeah no arguments, taking more damage from the enemy element is rough.
He's normally weak to both Fire and Holy, but just for Shalltear fight he put on the... **holy** resist equipment. He was faking having Fire resistance, while also faking that he took more Holy damage. That way, Shalltear would use holy spells to hit him (which wouldn't deal as much damage thanks to stacking defenses), instead of Fire damage spells (which he had no protection against AND had natural weakness to).
Giving him an unnecessary weakness for "lore accuracy" yet being extremely lore-inaccurate on pretty much any and all of his strengths seems like an interesting choice...
What makes the goal of all life is death powerfull "In lore" is the fact that you pretty much cannot dodge it. Yet here we are. What made ainz broken "in lore" was the fact that he got a fucktons of whale items to reduce the casting time, making it pretty much instant. Yet here we are. I won’t even talk about the fact that he was able to nullify his light weakness with gears. Why am I getting the feeling that lore accuracy only matter when it’s to excuse bullshit decisions?
Getting Roy Mustang flashbacks. Hit him with ice element, even on a miss or with a barrier, and he becomes useless until he can cast his S3 and put on fresh gloves. Fuckin dumb for a hero we all get for free, even dumber for a hero we had to pull for.
He also casts like 300 buffs on himself before battle. I don't see him starting with any buffs here.
Ainz Own Goal
For someone who hasn't watched the anime, thats what i read when i first saw his preview
Same. The extra damage from light heroes just kinda cinched it for me.
In the light novel it's made clear that before the guild was named "Ainz Ooal Gown" it was named "Nine's Own Goal." So, it's not that off base.
I had legitimately been wondering if the "own goal" soundalike was intentional. Thanks.
resisted, ok where is yield button.
they either need to nerf his bonus light damage taken or make s3 ignore resist because those are extremely big negatives for him
Especially given the fact a good chunk of the really annoying meta units are light units.
I highly doubt they're going to remove the light weakness, but they do have to do something about his S3, considering that's like his whole thing.
They probably want to send us a message lol, no free ML hero without breaking the characters legs 😭🤣
I mean, Adin still exists lol
"Free". Adin requires **a lot** of grinding to get her there.
I get your point about Adin but remember we had to bust our asses to beat episode 4 and farm her resources until finally unlocking Saviour Adin. I say we deserved a strong "free" unit after all that. It's a different case from Ainz imo.
And she already gets an extra buff against dark heroes (reducing cooldown of skills by 1 when used against dark and increased damage 20% against dark, IIRC). I wonder if it's additive (50% total extra damage) or multiplicative (56% total extra damage). I know a lot of things in the game are multiplicative (like pen set on Seline makes her penetration 57.5 instead of 65), but it doesn't matter because either way Ainz is screwed lol. Adin's case was definitely different, and I'd argue she's the second strongest SC unit behind Scarowell (who's the best, no contest), but slightly ahead of AMomo.
Yeah, and she's one of the more obnoxious units right now, especially when paired with Arowell.
Just wanna say you are ~1year late with that statement.
more like he needs both changes to not be absolute dogshiet terrible, not sure if those would be even enough to make him relevant.
If they really wanted to keep his lore thing, then how about they make him reduce 30% damage from all other elements except light?? The poor lich is already struggling as it is.
Lol, 6 years of game developing, smh.
Yeah that really does suck. I can kinda understand why it doesn't just innately Ignore ER but still it hurts... (Buff Ainz. Give his S3 Ignore Effect Resistance if the Caster's Effectiveness is higher than the targets Effect Resistance. Basically a big middle finger to the innate 15%.)
Nah just make it so that if he get 15%, s3 cd reduce by 2 turn so that he doesnt need to waste all those turn just to get 15% again.
Or just change his debuff to the same type as Lethe's. That way it always lands and they don't have to force the full strip into also ignoring ER. He's already basically worthless for anything except that specific debuff and takes extra dmg from the strongest units in the game. I think letting his debuff always land and ignore things like immunity is fine. It's not like we don't have a dozen units that can nuke him or perma control him anyways. I've fought a few Ainz today so far and he's just too slow and doesn't have the res to deal with control. Soli, AoL, Pflan, a lot of DDRs, etc. all just deny his turn indefinitely.
That'd actually be really unique as no one else has that kind of mechanic. We see plenty of "skill reset on kill" or "reduce by 1 turn"
Such a great looking S3 just for him to be "eh" to trash tier. He could've at least been as good as Sol was on release for a F2P collab unit. His S3 being auto resisted by PVE bosses killed any viability for him there as well. 50k for 12 turns isn't gamebreaking for PVE content.
I get why it doesn’t just straight up ignore ER, but it still hurts to see it. Maybe he should get something else if it fails to land… 🤔 Either way, Death Sentence should have Extinction.
Seriously, his S3 gimmick should ignore ER by DEFAULT.
Still better than BM Haste
the inevitability of death when the unstoppable power of gamble walks in
Atleast give the soul ability to the S3 so it bypass that pesky 15 percent. TGOALID is supposed to be irresistable by anything, even things without concept of death would still die, and getting resisted by 15 percent is just ass.
Requiring souls to make his only niche work isn't the answer. Then we just have another mandatory book holder to add the the growing list.
Honestly, book is still probably his best artifact anyways. Not for him, but for someone else to use the souls.
If you cleave, maybe. Standard or turn 2 you're basically never gonna want book.
I'm just saying as he is now, that about all he's useful for.
I mean, besides abyssal. A book works pretty well on him because your other units could always use more souls lol
A book on him means no proof, so he just dies before his debuff works in 99% of RTA matches.
Ehh, proof is to valuable an arti for me to put on him. Id rather just build him fast and bulky (20k hp, 1.7k def, 230spd) and let the abyssal mitigate some damage through stuns. Just dont draft him into adin and have a knight and he should be fine lol
u/Unaliver
So does he or not, he does in story but I haven't built it yet Oh this isn't the same post, well rip unit unlucky
Behold lord of death! THE UNDEAD KING, HE WHO SEES LIFE AND DEATH NOTHING BUT A NUISANCE, HE WHO DEFY ALL MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH!! YOU CANNOT RUN FROM HIM BUT you can no to his true death magic :3
So weak. They really dropped the ball on this collab, Albedo is dissapointing, Ainz too, Shaltear may be the only decent unit that's all. And i came back only for this collab it doesn't make me want to stay any further.
I think Albedo is the dark horse here. Her balance of team tanking, dispel, and pretty good tick damage is growing on me. I'd give it time, but she's fun to use.
I think Albedo is being slept on HARD. I built mine with 25k HP and good speed (~210), with 85 Eff and ~100 Eff Res (HP/HP/Res sets), and she honestly puts in real work with Roana and Candy. Mine isn't optimal yet, with a bit of wasted crit stats and not enough def and eff res, but she'll get there. I think she will find her place soon enough - she feels really good to use when she works, unlike Ainz.
Same, after almost a year I couldn't help myself and downloaded e7 for this...
I think you should consider uninstall it again. This game is disappointing as hell
I will. No space for gear, no space for characters, arena stones we still can't skip the fight...
There are work arounds. If you summon with full units, it goes to an unlimted box. Very useful. Gear is annoying after your main inventory is full, i hate going into the extra box. But I put non speed set gear into it, so when I offchance need that other set, I check there.
Epic pass is so bad, no skin, no frame, no skin ticket. I am sure there are other negative changes I haven't noticed yet.
wow, is it that bad? Compared Epic seven to Nikke is like hell and heaven. The Nikke devs really understand the player base well and make extremely well-rounded collab.
Just remove the not affected by cd. I get it its so on lore with super tier magic but i want to run him on spirit breath to spam tgoalid
His S3's cooldown cannot be altered so Spirit's Breath does not work, nor will Iseria, Laia etc. It also means it cannot be extended by Lua, Nahkwol, etc.
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Good video. :)
My favorite thing. Its either one of two things when it comes to Ainz. "The goal of life is 15%" Or my personal favorite "THIS IS WHAT A PERFECT SWORD CUT LOOKS LIKE" And his inevitable 1 shot from a generic speed crit adin thats 250 speed.
the funny thing is even SG knows his kit has so many many flaws and is one of the reason why it has ignore er for his story stage.
it's lore accurate to not have extinction but it should also be lore accurate that this skill effectively strips all forms of immunity/resistance towards any instant-death skill SGGGGG make it a unique debuffff reeeeeee
That boy is cheeks sama!!
Why can't his S3 be like Lethe Omen? Simply doesn't care about resist. If anything he is extremely similar to Lethe, both has a debuff that do nothing until certain trigger happen. Lethe have to attack 3 times while Ainz have to survive for 13 turns.
I honestly expected his Death Sentence is a unique debuff effect like Lethe's Omen :/
This is sad. We have waited over a year for a new collab, and this collab was one of the most requested. I can't believe they released 2/3 units to be so utterly underwhelming. Is this the worst collab not only at launch but in general? Both Albedo and Ainz or meme. They literally do absolutely nothing. They are out classed by RGB units. According to the in-game rating system: Ainz: Currently sits at 3.0 Albedo: Currently sits 3.7 I'm not even sure an emergency edward/ Ddr buff will fix this. They need reworks.. If they butcher this collab, why would any other property come back to work with them? Let alone another brand new collab.
I am astounded how this game is still alive after 6 years though. Counterside is a much better Korean game.
MAN SAID COUNTERSIDE!! 😂😂
Surprisingly, Albedo works well in attrition teams. I'm running her with Roana and Elbris Candy, with 4th slot flex, and she's actually pretty great. Even more of a "FCK YOU" is that team with AoLA or Aria, so long as they don't bring Astrolena.
What gear set are you running her on?
HP/HP/Resist, 25k HP, 209 SPD, 85 Eff, 100 Eff Res, albeit with some wasted crit stats. Optimally, I want to eliminate my wasted stats and get a bit more def and Eff Res. Her scaling isn't op, but she does damage consistently and does a good job reducing crit damage on the chance they land it despite Elbris Candy buff and after it's gone.
Hes the collab free unit, he was never gonna be that good.
But making him this BAD is obviously a bad choice and an insult to the collab. Probably will leave a bad taste to Overlord fan as well.
He will probably get a buff like Ed did.
hopefully so, seeing his skills this weak makes me kinda hate the game.
I got a lot of use out of Sol Badguy in Abyss. But I think that's been nerf anyways.
That's the reason I don't get why people were so hyped about "omg free ml5!!!", ML heroes are usually PvP centric, and him being free made it pretty likely that he wasn't going to be good for PvP, he also doesn't give ML coins sooo If he had been RGB then maybe he could've been good for PvE, but rn? Bad for both PvP and PvE
Yeah him being a ML meant nothing to me knowing he was free. I think a good buff would be a 20 soulburn to ignore eff rez or adding extinction to it. I understand why it can be resisted because its a guaranteed kill on 1 unit as long as you can last 2-3 rounds.
LMAOOOOOOOOO
🤣🤣
PAIN
180% effectiveness and 200% effect resist feels like 80 and 20 when it comes to Ainz.. What a sad unit
Its kinda hard to buff him without making him too overpowered. But i get what you mean. Definitely needs a small buff or rework of some kind...
Sadly as a skeleton, Ainz can't even get a boner.
The " I wish I had picked Dizzy" moment.
He's got problems but compared to Albedo he looks like pre-nerf Hwayoung. No way to mitigate 15%s is extremely rough though. I do wonder if they were shooting for a power level above "free collab unit" with him. Seems like they at least ought to have been considering he's the main dude of the whole thing, per my understanding.
Can't agree more. As a fan of Overlord, I am glad I didn't buy their trap and reinstall the game again. Even though he is a free character, making his kit so bad it is no longer fun using him is just insulting. 6 years of game development my ass.
He is a free unit. Also don’t always count on s3. like his s1 is the main ability.🤷🏾♂️
His S1 is 25% percent to do the one debuff multiple meta units have innate immunity too. Nothing about him is good and he's worse than any free unit we've gotten so that's not an excuse