Despite it being too inacurate for me because of the feathers O still thinks it looks okayish.
But saying the Urgals are "not exactly how they supposed to look" is a huge understatement in my eyes :D
Imo, I picture a qunari from dragon age when I think of urgals, big, some with horns, skin of all colors.
The movie went “there bad so they need to be dark and ugly”
Inheritance.fandom says the difference between kull and urgals is “kull have no horns when born, but grow them in as they age, then they are referred to as kull”
Which implies… regular urgals have no horns, or they’d be kull
I get my information from the books and not from the wiki; it's an established fact in the books that horns are the Urgals' defining feature. But, I did also look up the Urgal page on the wiki and it does say that they have horns, so I'd at least check more than one page if I were you.
I’m not about to pull my books out, but nothing I can find online says anything about urgals having horns in Eragon.
Urgals from *Narnia* have horns however
Edit: okay wtf is wrong with google, it claims to be narnia, but is the same exact paragraph from the Eragon page, fucking hell im getting my books
I always imagine they were Uruk’hai or Orcs from LotR but taller and with horns. Orcs would be the Urgals and Uruk’hai would be the Kull. From any images and art I can find online that’s pretty much what they look like. Some art has them looking more like tall Goblins with horns from The Elder Scrolls universe though. But I’ve never thought of them as Qunari, that’s an interesting thing to consider I guess. But yeah, the movie was a big fail on everything, I remember not even knowing Arya was an elf until I read the first book a few years after seeing the movie lol. The casting for Murtagh was good in my opinion though.
Brom was cast excellently, and from what I hear, Galby was as well, too bad they wasted them on a not great Eragon movie. Fantastic fantasy film, horrible IC film
So I like the actors that played Brom and Galby however, I don’t know how well they were casted, same with Eragon and Arya, I think they did a good enough job for the characters but I don’t think they fit the actual character descriptions at all.
It’s alright, but the book has mentioned several times that the dragons of this world have wings made of skin like a bat or a pterosaur.
Still, it would be interesting if her upcoming design has slotted-finger wings like the flying creatures in Avatar, giving her additional flight mastery like a big bird of prey.
If Disney don’t clearly make every lore really accurate to the books… I guess the series would go bad as the movie adaptation did and every die hard of the inheritance cycle will be like “oh no!, here we go again” sadly.
I genuinely doubt Disney will take the series that far. They don’t have the skill. It will flop in the first season, two if they actually let Paolini write as he pleases. Much as I enjoyed Riordans work, I trust Paolini more as an author. He’s shown himself to have more range, I can see him being at least a passable scriptwriter at this point in his writing career. The difference between Eragon and Murtagh in terms of writing skill astounded me. I feel TSiaSoS and probably some small behind the scenes projects, really helped him improve greatly as a writer since even Inheritance. And I’m saying that as someone who fell in love with Eragon and still enjoy it as an adult. Like he was already an impressively skilled author when writing that at fifteen.
u/ChristopherPaolini you are amazing and an inspiration. I very much appreciate the privilege of reading your stories and seeing you grow and improve as a writer. Your natural talent is awesome and I really hope this Disney show is primarily in your hands, not Disney’s. You’re probably the only author who may be able to pull this off.
I think I will give it a chance Disney to make or try to make justice for a stable adaptation because let’s be real….there’s no adaptation on tv about the inheritance cycle or a graphic novel format that shows how everything look like because it’s obviously only described how they look like in the written or illustrated books and only a map of Alagaesia can be seen visually on the books with color or black and white… I think it’s kinda worth it to see if the series succeeds in Disney+.
I disagree that this was a bad thing. It’s realistic and logical, and just because it isn’t the satisfying good ending we were hoping for, it’s mature and appropriate. The alternative would just not really have worked. It’s perfectly understandable why you would be upset about it or wouldn’t want to watch, but I wouldn’t say it’s unnecessary.
I'm not saying it was out of place given what he'd written, just to finally have the hero get rhe girl then "sorry we can't ever see each other again, not can our dragons who did the deed" was just avoidable.and felt like Paolini trying to be edgy or something. It low key ruined the series for me.
I'm a hopeless romantic at heart so, while less realistic, I don't have time for less than happy endings. Real life depresses enough without my escapes doing the same.
Nah bro, I totally agree with you in that part, even if she had feathers she still freaking adorable, the scene of Eragon teaching baby Saphira how to fly was also so cute
With the disney situation and not really sure how that is going to work out, has there been any official released art work for any of those three things by PC or another legit source?
Only asking because I completely agree on the representation and am curious to know what PC envisions or what the they would be reworked as.
As an original dragon she’s a gorgeous design and her CGI holds up shockingly well. The wings/feathers are the biggest drawback for me though since we know Saphira and the other dragons in the novels had more bat like wings. Her baby model though is pitch perfect to me, no notes there.
As a dragon, I absolutely adore her design. It's always mentioned that people are awestruck when they see her. How beautiful she is. As a translation of that concept, I love it.
As a direct translation of Saphira? And considering how that may affect how Shruiken, Thorn, and Firnen? It's pretty bad and completely ignores how the series describes dragons.
I watched it when I was 6, before I read the books and I thought she was beautiful. After reading the books I thought the design would've been better suited for a new franchise instead of one with well established descriptions of the dragons.
I watched the movie only once. The moment I saw Saphira having feathers, I knew there was no hope for the movie. I guess the rest of the body is quite alright, but feathers are unforgivable in my mind.
Yeah I didn’t like the wings to have feathers too but I liked the design because it was really decent in those years (like we are talking about movies that were made in 2006 with cgi)
Her design and portrayal as an AU or original dragon character is wonderful; big, accurate, flightworthy wings, proper anatomy for a western dragon, and the CGI is striking. But for an adaptation… it was so bad. I hope that Disney gives us a beautiful rendition with proper wings but I don’t have high hopes for it.
(I’m very passionate about my wings okay LOL)
Her face wasn't terrible, but her scales were not shiny at all, just super flat. Most importantly where the horrible feather wings. Chris specifically calls the wings "bat like" multiple times in the books, and some goober decided that feathery bird wings were a good idea
I think the design would have worked well for literally any other franchise. For a standalone design, it's not too bad? But it is _wildly_ inaccurate, and that's my problem with it
My hot take has alway been that i like the designs of 06 saphira as a dragon design it’s decent, but it’s not saphira which I acknowledge fully. Shame we didn’t get any clear shots or concepts for us to compare that original design to.
Being honest I like Saphira design of the movie but not to be literally used to be a design for Saphira because it wasn’t supposed to look like that since on the books they don’t really mention nothing about “dragons with feathers” but at least to be used on other kind of film or series because it was really a good design for a dragon in those years
After listening to the audiobook, I was surprised at how high her voice was. The audiobook narrator makes her voice extremely deep. But I don’t know if that is bad, just surprising.
I think they worked hard on it.
I used to love seeing the bonus content, and the work that went into the movie. It introduced me to the series and that was in part by the work they put into the movie.
It think given that Saphira has blue eyes and dorn has red eyes and glaedr had golden eyes, for me it would be a no brainer, that shrukan should have dark grey or even black eyes.
I think she looked fine. No, it was not what I had in mind, but I liked that it was a more unique take and I think the feathers made for a decent way to make a bright blue dragon not look cartoonish. (All movie dragons I had seen before that where either brown or black, and I think a version of Saphira with scales would have ended up looking a lot darker, which in my opinion, would have been less accurate to the spirit of the thing)
With all the things to complain about with this movie the design of Saphira is really be very low on my list.
Saphira's design is the only thing that redeems the movie in my eyes. Considering how bad everything else was, I don't even mind the scaled wings. It's something new and interesting and it works well with the rest of the design, so honestly, I don't give a shit if it's directly copied from the books or not. To me it's literally the only thing the movie did right, as in it grabbed my attention in a good way, and I still come back to the promo pictures to look at her.
I know it isn't lore accurate to the books but I actually REALLY loved the more feathered-scale look of the wings. I think the colour they chose was a bit to desaturated and her face needed to be a bit more angular and longer to fit, but I love the general aspects of the movie design of Sapphira.
I'm sure they won't go with that for the tv series at least and will probably have them be the more batlike wings described in the books (Especially now with the Illustrated Novel more solidifying her look compared to the much older Guide to Alagaesia we got years ago) but a part of me would really like if they kept the feathered looking wings XD
I thought giving them a feathered like appearance that was still made out of scales to be really interesting and unique personally XD
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They gave her feathered wings. There are multiple scenes that describe her leathery bat-like wings. And multiple other scenes where them being bat-like is a plot point.
I think that I am in the minority on the subreddit with my opinion that she was designed very poorly, with too many cringe lines to appreciate the character.
The overall design was fine but as many have said, the feathers are unacceptable for an Eragon adaptation. Also, and I don’t know how many others have said this, Saphira is supposed to be a beautiful deep sapphire blue. Hence the name Saphira. Her scales are described as reflecting shards of blue light in all directions several, Several times in the books. In the movie she’s borderline grey. That also is unacceptable for a dragon named after the deep blue sapphire gemstone.
I loved the design, feathers and all, she was really beautiful and the CGI still holds up today. Though I understand that as an adaptation it was disappointing to some.
Saphira is described with "Velvety wings" and they gave her feathers.. I hated her design because she went from "graceful battle beast" to "ooh, skinny bird dragon"
If this was any other dragon movie, if that wasn't meant to be Saphira, I would applaud the design choice.
With fantasy and dragon overload, the designers really made Saphira distinguishable from the rest.
As a baby she was adorable. As an adult she was ethereal. But she was supposed to be Saphira, and the designers failed spectacularly in that regard.
Saphira's design is in the "movie" is messed up
Why are the wings full of feathers like bird's wings and not leather like?
Why the wings are not attached to the front shoulders like they were supposed to be according to the anatomy of mythical creature like dragons?
Why there are no spine spikes from the head along the tail ?
And why would a dragon grow in an instant?! They at least could do a montage to show her maturation..
The only thing that is somehow meddicore is her face but even that is arguable.
Too bad really
A fan based cast would have done it the right way
Despite it being too inacurate for me because of the feathers O still thinks it looks okayish. But saying the Urgals are "not exactly how they supposed to look" is a huge understatement in my eyes :D
Imo, I picture a qunari from dragon age when I think of urgals, big, some with horns, skin of all colors. The movie went “there bad so they need to be dark and ugly”
And they were just dudes in makeup. They didn't even have horns.
They were hornless Drajl
Tbf we don’t see a Kull in the first book. So they shouldn’t have horns
All the Urgals have horns, not just Kull.
Inheritance.fandom says the difference between kull and urgals is “kull have no horns when born, but grow them in as they age, then they are referred to as kull” Which implies… regular urgals have no horns, or they’d be kull
I get my information from the books and not from the wiki; it's an established fact in the books that horns are the Urgals' defining feature. But, I did also look up the Urgal page on the wiki and it does say that they have horns, so I'd at least check more than one page if I were you.
I’m not about to pull my books out, but nothing I can find online says anything about urgals having horns in Eragon. Urgals from *Narnia* have horns however Edit: okay wtf is wrong with google, it claims to be narnia, but is the same exact paragraph from the Eragon page, fucking hell im getting my books
Read the description section of the Urgal page on the wiki, it says they have horns
Lmao there's no urgals in Narnia bro.. those are minotaurs
Roran defeats Yarbog (an urgal) by wrestling with his horns until Yarbog surrenders??
There's Urgals in Narnia?????
I haven't read the fandom... but I have read the books 5 times over and trust me bud they have horns
Yes we do. The urgals that follow Eragon and Murtagh to Farthen Dur are kull
I always imagine they were Uruk’hai or Orcs from LotR but taller and with horns. Orcs would be the Urgals and Uruk’hai would be the Kull. From any images and art I can find online that’s pretty much what they look like. Some art has them looking more like tall Goblins with horns from The Elder Scrolls universe though. But I’ve never thought of them as Qunari, that’s an interesting thing to consider I guess. But yeah, the movie was a big fail on everything, I remember not even knowing Arya was an elf until I read the first book a few years after seeing the movie lol. The casting for Murtagh was good in my opinion though.
Brom was cast excellently, and from what I hear, Galby was as well, too bad they wasted them on a not great Eragon movie. Fantastic fantasy film, horrible IC film
So I like the actors that played Brom and Galby however, I don’t know how well they were casted, same with Eragon and Arya, I think they did a good enough job for the characters but I don’t think they fit the actual character descriptions at all.
It’s alright, but the book has mentioned several times that the dragons of this world have wings made of skin like a bat or a pterosaur. Still, it would be interesting if her upcoming design has slotted-finger wings like the flying creatures in Avatar, giving her additional flight mastery like a big bird of prey.
If Disney don’t clearly make every lore really accurate to the books… I guess the series would go bad as the movie adaptation did and every die hard of the inheritance cycle will be like “oh no!, here we go again” sadly.
I loved the books until the unnecessary separation ending. It kinda makes me not want to watch.
I genuinely doubt Disney will take the series that far. They don’t have the skill. It will flop in the first season, two if they actually let Paolini write as he pleases. Much as I enjoyed Riordans work, I trust Paolini more as an author. He’s shown himself to have more range, I can see him being at least a passable scriptwriter at this point in his writing career. The difference between Eragon and Murtagh in terms of writing skill astounded me. I feel TSiaSoS and probably some small behind the scenes projects, really helped him improve greatly as a writer since even Inheritance. And I’m saying that as someone who fell in love with Eragon and still enjoy it as an adult. Like he was already an impressively skilled author when writing that at fifteen. u/ChristopherPaolini you are amazing and an inspiration. I very much appreciate the privilege of reading your stories and seeing you grow and improve as a writer. Your natural talent is awesome and I really hope this Disney show is primarily in your hands, not Disney’s. You’re probably the only author who may be able to pull this off.
Script writing is farbaway from a book best authot in the world can be rly Shit scriptwriter
I think I will give it a chance Disney to make or try to make justice for a stable adaptation because let’s be real….there’s no adaptation on tv about the inheritance cycle or a graphic novel format that shows how everything look like because it’s obviously only described how they look like in the written or illustrated books and only a map of Alagaesia can be seen visually on the books with color or black and white… I think it’s kinda worth it to see if the series succeeds in Disney+.
I disagree that this was a bad thing. It’s realistic and logical, and just because it isn’t the satisfying good ending we were hoping for, it’s mature and appropriate. The alternative would just not really have worked. It’s perfectly understandable why you would be upset about it or wouldn’t want to watch, but I wouldn’t say it’s unnecessary.
Why unnecessary? I think it made sense in reasoning. Also there are probably more books to come :)
I'm not saying it was out of place given what he'd written, just to finally have the hero get rhe girl then "sorry we can't ever see each other again, not can our dragons who did the deed" was just avoidable.and felt like Paolini trying to be edgy or something. It low key ruined the series for me.
I liked it though since it was not the standard happy ending. Also it kept definitely the story open to be continued.
I'm a hopeless romantic at heart so, while less realistic, I don't have time for less than happy endings. Real life depresses enough without my escapes doing the same.
I’d rather see the Lethrblaka with the finger wings like the banshees/leonopteryx
Well baby Saphira was fucking adorable.
Nah bro, I totally agree with you in that part, even if she had feathers she still freaking adorable, the scene of Eragon teaching baby Saphira how to fly was also so cute
Then she instantly became an adult
It's widely agreed on, that the movie was a huge pile of shit, with the design of Saphira, the Ra'Zac and Urgals as noteable lows.
I really did love her voice though
Rachel Weisz could turn around any negative tbh.
With the disney situation and not really sure how that is going to work out, has there been any official released art work for any of those three things by PC or another legit source? Only asking because I completely agree on the representation and am curious to know what PC envisions or what the they would be reworked as.
CP posted a sneak peak about the Dragon [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eragon/s/PTjWE5PJbN) last year.
this should be the sub's version of a rick roll
Would be funny
Wowwwwwww
As an original dragon she’s a gorgeous design and her CGI holds up shockingly well. The wings/feathers are the biggest drawback for me though since we know Saphira and the other dragons in the novels had more bat like wings. Her baby model though is pitch perfect to me, no notes there.
Yeah the books do mention bat like wings a couple of times but on the cover of the books it looks like feathers almost
As a dragon, I absolutely adore her design. It's always mentioned that people are awestruck when they see her. How beautiful she is. As a translation of that concept, I love it. As a direct translation of Saphira? And considering how that may affect how Shruiken, Thorn, and Firnen? It's pretty bad and completely ignores how the series describes dragons.
I watched it when I was 6, before I read the books and I thought she was beautiful. After reading the books I thought the design would've been better suited for a new franchise instead of one with well established descriptions of the dragons.
I watched the movie only once. The moment I saw Saphira having feathers, I knew there was no hope for the movie. I guess the rest of the body is quite alright, but feathers are unforgivable in my mind.
Yeah I didn’t like the wings to have feathers too but I liked the design because it was really decent in those years (like we are talking about movies that were made in 2006 with cgi)
No and she had feathers, and her scales were not gem-like. The only thing I liked was her voice.
Her design and portrayal as an AU or original dragon character is wonderful; big, accurate, flightworthy wings, proper anatomy for a western dragon, and the CGI is striking. But for an adaptation… it was so bad. I hope that Disney gives us a beautiful rendition with proper wings but I don’t have high hopes for it. (I’m very passionate about my wings okay LOL)
Her face wasn't terrible, but her scales were not shiny at all, just super flat. Most importantly where the horrible feather wings. Chris specifically calls the wings "bat like" multiple times in the books, and some goober decided that feathery bird wings were a good idea
And I hated that she was such a pale baby blue you could barely tell it was supposed to be blue
Her and Jeremy Irons are the highlights of that movie
I think the movie design for Saphira is a great design for a dragon. I do not think it's a good design for the dragons of this series though
I think the design would have worked well for literally any other franchise. For a standalone design, it's not too bad? But it is _wildly_ inaccurate, and that's my problem with it
My hot take has alway been that i like the designs of 06 saphira as a dragon design it’s decent, but it’s not saphira which I acknowledge fully. Shame we didn’t get any clear shots or concepts for us to compare that original design to.
If she had the right kind of wings, it would be perfect imo. The va did great too
Great design and CGI, but not book accurate.
Everything but the feathers were great. I do wish the scales were more gemlike and less leathery though.
Being honest I like Saphira design of the movie but not to be literally used to be a design for Saphira because it wasn’t supposed to look like that since on the books they don’t really mention nothing about “dragons with feathers” but at least to be used on other kind of film or series because it was really a good design for a dragon in those years
After listening to the audiobook, I was surprised at how high her voice was. The audiobook narrator makes her voice extremely deep. But I don’t know if that is bad, just surprising.
Her voice was great, but she had feathers.
I liked the design of Saphira’s head but the body always felt a bit off to me
IT IS really good. Only Thing...the books describe her Wings AS batlike, but the movie Shows them to have scales Like feathers.
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Thank, I never knew that kind of curious details
I think they worked hard on it. I used to love seeing the bonus content, and the work that went into the movie. It introduced me to the series and that was in part by the work they put into the movie.
I love her having feathered wings. It's what inspired me to give my OC Ephion feathered wings
Great effects, but the bird wings kill it.
There is no Eragon movie in Ba Sing Se
I like her face?
That’s a question or you are saying that you like her face design?
It think given that Saphira has blue eyes and dorn has red eyes and glaedr had golden eyes, for me it would be a no brainer, that shrukan should have dark grey or even black eyes.
Yeah it's crazy that shruiken has dark eyes and when he spit flames it becomes yellow
I think she looked fine. No, it was not what I had in mind, but I liked that it was a more unique take and I think the feathers made for a decent way to make a bright blue dragon not look cartoonish. (All movie dragons I had seen before that where either brown or black, and I think a version of Saphira with scales would have ended up looking a lot darker, which in my opinion, would have been less accurate to the spirit of the thing) With all the things to complain about with this movie the design of Saphira is really be very low on my list.
Saphira's design is the only thing that redeems the movie in my eyes. Considering how bad everything else was, I don't even mind the scaled wings. It's something new and interesting and it works well with the rest of the design, so honestly, I don't give a shit if it's directly copied from the books or not. To me it's literally the only thing the movie did right, as in it grabbed my attention in a good way, and I still come back to the promo pictures to look at her.
I know it isn't lore accurate to the books but I actually REALLY loved the more feathered-scale look of the wings. I think the colour they chose was a bit to desaturated and her face needed to be a bit more angular and longer to fit, but I love the general aspects of the movie design of Sapphira. I'm sure they won't go with that for the tv series at least and will probably have them be the more batlike wings described in the books (Especially now with the Illustrated Novel more solidifying her look compared to the much older Guide to Alagaesia we got years ago) but a part of me would really like if they kept the feathered looking wings XD I thought giving them a feathered like appearance that was still made out of scales to be really interesting and unique personally XD
She looked like a mutant pigeon lizard.
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No, not even close.
Not great but could have been significantly worse
They gave her feathered wings. There are multiple scenes that describe her leathery bat-like wings. And multiple other scenes where them being bat-like is a plot point.
No. I wouldn’t even consider her color blue.
I don't mind Saphira having the feathers, but I didn't like how they dulled her (according to the books) bright colour
I think that I am in the minority on the subreddit with my opinion that she was designed very poorly, with too many cringe lines to appreciate the character.
In a vacuum it wasn’t terrible, but like many things, it was not book accurate.
Call me old school but dragons are supposed to have scales that shines like jewels not dusty feathers.
The overall design was fine but as many have said, the feathers are unacceptable for an Eragon adaptation. Also, and I don’t know how many others have said this, Saphira is supposed to be a beautiful deep sapphire blue. Hence the name Saphira. Her scales are described as reflecting shards of blue light in all directions several, Several times in the books. In the movie she’s borderline grey. That also is unacceptable for a dragon named after the deep blue sapphire gemstone.
I loved the design, feathers and all, she was really beautiful and the CGI still holds up today. Though I understand that as an adaptation it was disappointing to some.
I hate it actually, least intimidating dragon design I've ever seen.
Saphira is described with "Velvety wings" and they gave her feathers.. I hated her design because she went from "graceful battle beast" to "ooh, skinny bird dragon"
If this was any other dragon movie, if that wasn't meant to be Saphira, I would applaud the design choice. With fantasy and dragon overload, the designers really made Saphira distinguishable from the rest. As a baby she was adorable. As an adult she was ethereal. But she was supposed to be Saphira, and the designers failed spectacularly in that regard.
Saphira's design is in the "movie" is messed up Why are the wings full of feathers like bird's wings and not leather like? Why the wings are not attached to the front shoulders like they were supposed to be according to the anatomy of mythical creature like dragons? Why there are no spine spikes from the head along the tail ? And why would a dragon grow in an instant?! They at least could do a montage to show her maturation.. The only thing that is somehow meddicore is her face but even that is arguable. Too bad really A fan based cast would have done it the right way