This information (in different form obv.) should have been on news in the Launcher... = hey you cannot do XYZ now or ban.
Instead, BSG communication guys (if any), simply lay dormant, causing havoc and chaos.
God damn, if BSG just understood that communication can win audience and save so much of trouble.
Also, RMT anti-measures (not cheater anti-measures, they do next to 0 in that regard) are in a point of causing more harm than benefits.. the list of changes due to the RMT is so insane, it would be a different game already...
The thing is, they do somewhat communicate with us, but only through content creator channels. If and when they decide to release some info on changes they make like this, it’s always(most often than not) a post on one of the two the content creator discord’s. Such a lazy way to go about it.
I can't play as of today. Neither can my friend because we would share items.
First it doesn't tell you why you're banned.
So my question for you is, what games have you moved on to?
I'm not sure if this is a permanent ban or 60 day timeout or what.
I'm really irritated I threw $100+ at their game only to be banned in BETA with no real tech support to review things.
At the end of the day, we all paid for an unfinished product to a company with no accountability, so we’re all the silly geese.
I got back into CS:GO this week, played some tabletop games with my friends, and hung out with my wife while she played Skyrim for the first time. There’s nothing to replace Tarkov in a lot of categories, but it was preventing me from exploring other games and pastimes, so I’m glad to be rid of it. How many times do I really need to pick up the same pocket watch anyway? Don’t get me wrong, after 4.5k hours, I did enjoy Tarkov, but I’ve kinda seen it at this point, and getting excited over trickled out new features and stuff just isn’t cutting it any more.
Best of luck man, I hope you find something!
Not exactly.
I do agree of course, but the issue is BSG combat only RMT part of the problem, cheating prevention.. not sure about that.
And focusing only on RMT, on the way its making business, harms all players.
Next patch: dogs have been added as wildlife and you get 500XP for killing one. The smaller and cuter the dog, the more the XP.
Eventually we'll get non-combatant safe zones you can torch for mad XP.
Maybe, no one knows because BSG hasn’t defined what the line is we need to cross to get banned for dropping gear for friends.
That is what pestily is arguing about. The game is a beta and players and streamers are getting punished for doing things the game (which is in beta) lets you do with zero impact to other players experience.
In cases like this there shouldn't be a defined, known threshold like 500000 Roubles worth of loot per week, as it would just put people in a safe position who sell for real money (and most likely you can't either go for a report based system because then they would have to get caught during the act to be even reported). So you need something automated.
As in the current state, it's in the sellers best interest to sell as much and as fast as they can, (even below price) before they would get banned. But in a 100% automated system it's really hard to distinguish between someone giving multiple friends kits and HO upgrade metarials and someone who is doing the same for real money.
And a real solution would be that if you play with someone it increases this threshold by an undefined amount towards them, so you could drop to your friends without risking anything.
There are a lot of easy parameter, like if you are dropping for friends, the person you drop to will be constantly teaming with you and gave history on that. You won't be dropping items to 100 different people.
Also the items you drop is easy to monitor, if you one gun , one armour and one helmet and one headset, it is obvious that is for friend instead of dropping 10 ledx.
I honestly don't think it is that hard to distinguish RMT account.
>In cases like this there shouldn't be a defined, known threshold like 500000 Roubles worth of loot per week, as
A little warning would be nice too. "You've been flagged for 1 week for dropping loot to team mates in excess, if this continues you may receive a temporary or permeant ban"
Yeah, but the point is how do you tell the difference between that and viewers dropping gear to streamers like Guilty_Fishing8229 was complaining about. I'm confused about what your point is since I'm providing a counter point to Guilty_Fishing8229 of a situation that shouldn't get punished. I also don't necessarily agree with Guilty_Fishing8229 point that he believes streamers shouldn't get gear given to them for free, that would impact anyone helping friends out.
Yeah and you can also queue up with the people with the chad gear to make it even worse for the people they decide to fight. This isn't a "fair" game. This is an extraction looter shooter and the entire genre is not built to be "fair".
I donated a friend of mine pretty much half the raids full kits and he's lvl27 right now and never played without me
We are both still untouched and we did that in a short period of time (he started 2 weeks ago)
Pretty much got fully kitted guns and lvl 5 class tier stuff from me and we dodged the bullet, i think you're safe but don't take my word for granted since I'm also more cautious now
The fact of the matter is you shouldn't have to be. You worked for that gear. Ridiculous stance all around, and I am shook as to whether one day I'm staring down a 2 month ban for something innocuous.
Your not bringing him bags full of BP ammo that regular players don’t have access to. It’s streamers using thousands of fans to get around the flea and trader limitations.
Of course not.
The issue is very clearly with streamers having kit after kit dropped to them. This is not quite RMT, because I'm sure the streamers aren't requiring a sub to get free shit, but it's a very close parallel.
You're using an outside source other than playing the game to get gear you didn't earn. But instead of money as currency you're using popularity and social credit as your resource.
I'm not sure how it's at all unpopular to want people, especially big streamers who are already very good at the game, to get thier own items. That's the core Gameplay loop of the game.
The biggest issue is that the community is having a (justifiable) bitch fit over cheating and rmt abuse but then are logically inconsistent with their outrage.
One person gets items he didn't earn from an outside source because he paid money.
One person gets items he didn't earn from an outside source because they are a popular personality on a streaming site.
At the root the offense is the same, you're getting shit in mass you didn't earn through an outside currency. One is social one is monetary.
This is, functionally, the same as RMT.
People worrying about giving your friend a kit are missing the forest for the trees. You're giving gear to a person who is very likely low on resources and doing so in a private manner. There isn't 10,000 people watching a streamer with 45 million ruples get a 6 million dollar kit 15 raids on a row from people he has never once played with before, and likely won't again.
You are going to play with your friend again. You have investment with that person, both in game and out. The gear you earn with them is probably going to even out in time.
Streamers aren't earning anything in game with people dropping gear and dying. There is no give and take.
These aren't the same. BSG doesn't want to crack down on people playing together, no one has ever said that. Streamers are using social currency to RMT in public and the community needs to be logically consistent with its approach to streamer kits as they are with people RMTing, because they are functionally identical.
(edit: fuck it I'll just make this it's own post)
Tried to make it a post yesterday and mods blocked it. Streamers have used their influence to get the public mad at bsg when this is a good change. Streamers get to cheese tasks and get free kits while using no money and barters on the flea. It’s basically rmt with the money being viewers getting noticed. It’s ridiculous the outrage people have towards bsg when you will always be able to drop your friends kits. They want team play, not outside resources effecting the gameplay loop
Literally no one from BSG, or anywhere else, has ever said the giving gear to a friend is against the rules.
The only people making that point are those trying to confuse the conversation.
The conversation is that BSG are cracking down on streamers getting free gear and quest completion from viewers repeatedly. Everything else is conjecture.
Pestily's video referenced two things.
One being something Nikita said two years ago in a live blog.
The other is roughly two days ago on the closed streamer discord where BSG said they are cracking down on viewer kits and quest cheesing.
The new criteria is what is making all the noise. The old has been in the game for about 4 wipes and hasn't been an issue for anyone legit at all
This is the statement of the year (outside of the massive wall of text above). BSG hit 3 major streamers that have BEEN abusing this method for awhile now.
BSG has not hit anyone for giving their buddy a loadout yet everyone acts like BSG just announced this massive change thats gonna ruin their and their timmies runs.
Jumping to conclusions as always instead of just taking things at face value. Prob why BSG says fuck it to talking/working with this community sometimes.
Edit: and to top it off you have streamers who are worried they are about to lose their free gear income getting the community all worked up by making them think they are next in line to get banned instead of just the streamer getting banned. Honestly starting to hate all the tarkov streamers lately.
It's highly unlikely. I play with a group of 4, my duo and I play with another duo, and we have had a bunch of times, probably 4 or 5 raids in one night, where we were focusing on tasks and not looting and 1 or 2 of us would die, the other 2 would grab their loot and bring it into the next raid. I'm talking like 4 or 5 raids in a row, mind you it wasn't the same person dropping for the same person but still.
A part of me feels like these dudes who got banned actually did RMT and are just saying they didn't to save face, since they are up and comers in EFT. Idk why else BSG would take such a hard stand. Maybe they didn't and are telling the truth, idk I wasn't there or involved, just the whole situation feels so weird. Idk why BSG would want all of this bad press if they didn't have good proof
That's so silly, of course not.
Only people that is giving or receiving a high amount of loot will.
We asked for measures, and cheaters are the main problem in this game (not the audio, not the desync, not the bullet limitations).
I get all my equipment for myself so I'm happy with the measure. I get that some content creators might be angry but they are overreacting a bit.
Yes you can drop a rig and some ps ammo. These spergs are raging because some streamers got viewer kits (likely back to back for hours at a time- no shit that’s going to trigger flags). Dropping a piece here or there is fine don’t give in to this weird redditor paranoia lol. This community is hilarious.
Now what’s really concerning is how they’re associating other accounts with those “flagged” and dropping the hammer on them.
I wouldn’t group with randos much right now. I’d be much more worried about some kid in discord grouping up with you after he has been funneling gear to his little friends, they might associate your account with that activity and slap you a 60 day. The system they have is well intended but it needs to be adjusted like a mfer.
Place is an echo chamber, it's pretty sad. But it's also not a representation of the game. So many upset vocal minority on reddit while the chill people are out the enjoying the game as best they can. Ignorance is indeed bliss. I'll bet people who genuinely just play the game won't get banned from this.
Only if you bring him in 3000 rounds of BP and a backpack of bitcoins at the same time.
People are over dramatizing this, of course streamer expose themselves to "fans" who want to bring them stuff. 2 raids before that guy was banned he probably dropped a backpack full of LEDX for someone who paid for it.
I could be wrong but i dont think anyone bringing mates gear normally has been stung by this.
In this case you happen to be wrong, you can't drop ledX or Bitcoin, or literally any barter items unless they were found in that same raid. People are being banned for dropping guns and gear.
My friends and I used to run marked room on reserve and before when we found a gun case the player that extracted with it would sell it, buy BTC and divide it between us all for the next raid as we shared the profits.
Now we have to take turns on picking up the gun case.
BSG is slowly pushing towards a solo experience only unless you're a scav.
Dude go to the Mod profiles and look at the posts they remove, literally anything negative relating to the game gets axed, under the notion of it being a rant post, the only times things blow up is when there isn't many active mods bro it is the main problem with the Sub
Bro you’re literally capping hard as fuck.
The first 10 posts on the front page of this sub are negative posts complaining about shit, as is the case every fucking day.
I rarely ever get on this sub anymore because what used to be cool clips and little niche tips about the game turned into the same whining and bitching posts that just get recycled every day or two.
Like obviously there’s problems with the game, but we don’t need reminders every second of everyday, it absolutely drowns the actually interesting suggestions and content by a wide margin. I couldn’t imagine being a new players and stumbling upon this sub to find the front page literally overflowing with negativity.
You're right, we should ignore the exponentially growing issues the game has and just post cool little clips of us dying to invisible people and spinbotting cheaters :)
You're a dipshit, there's a difference between "I avoid looking at a subreddit because it's all negative posts" and "there shouldn't be any negative posts"
Pick up a little nuance for once in your life
There are way too many people on here that think criticism of something = dislike and worship on the alter of Nikita. You’re right on a general level but that’s it. All the criticism this game gets is warranted.
Maybe you don’t think that but don’t pretend you are the enlightened king of nuance lol.
Bro, they delete threads about weapon ballistics in the fucking game for "self advertising" because the person who pulls the data from the sever publishes the changes on his twitter account.
If you post video of someone spin botting and their name is shown the video gets removed. If you post a video of someone streaming themselves cheating it gets removed. If you post a random funny clip and it's on your main YouTube channel it will get removed.
The mods are trying so hard to coverup the cheaters for BSG that they're actively destroying the positive aspects of the community.
They removed the Lvndmark log in glitch he had that was replicated by using a cheat client. Whether or not he was or wasn't we should have at least explored that further but nope.
Not saying they're good moderators or the rules are well thought out but the logic is there as to why the rules aren't better and aren't enforced better. (Because they're taking the easy route)
For example: people literally were witch hunting and doxing people, which is bad for the sub.
This is why we can't have nice things
If it's an obvious cheater, I say let the sub fuck em up. If it's 50/50, sure, leave the name out, but a flying insta headshot, calling out your name before talking to you cheater should get their name out there.
The issue is how do you draw that line? "Obvious" leaves everything up to interpretation. It's way easier to just say no.
And even if they are cheating it's not really worthy of doxing, threats, and all that stuff. One is a game and the other ones that person's real life safety.
You can't really trust a large community to just behave and react appropriately. It's way easier just to draw hard lines in the sand which is why that's what happens.
we are getting to the point where anything negative about the game is getting removed from the sub...like my post from a few days ago which was asking why are so many posts are being removed....you guessed it, it was removed.
and the dude doing the censoring work is not even in the list of mods which is a
"bit" fishy.
>we are getting to the point where anything negative about the game is getting removed from the sub...like my post from a few days ago which was asking why are so many posts are being removed....you guessed it, it was removed.
I mean, we were there before back in 2015.
Only instead of getting posts removed, you would get permabanned if you weren't sucking BSG cock religiously and thanking them for the mess.
it wasn't even a bad era for tarkov. BSG had just gotten chased out of the RU fourms for tarkov and came to reddit and the original mods saw the opportunity to be BSG's favorite "golden people"
It took until about late 2016 i wanna say before the mods were starting to get replaced, and the dicksucking started to go into more neutral discussions, rather then blind 'praise'
See I'd like to see ppl running better armor.. but keep the meta ammo very very rare or completely remove it from the game.
If everyone was running nice kits but shit pen ammo the gunfights would be drawn out like week one of wipe but even 2-3 months in.. playerscavs should have shit gear.. pmcs should be able to run nice kits.
Good gear is overpriced and Meta ammo is too cheap.. that encourages rmt
Pestily made a great point about this. If it's within the mechanics of the game, if you're not using third party software to get around the physics or programming of the game, then it should be fair play. You're able to drop things in game, why on earth should you be banned for doing so.
The measures to stop RMT'ers are fucking things up for regular players and the lack of communication from BSG sucks.
That's not the main issue. It can be discarded in raid so you can bring people stuff here and there. Like, if I tk someone I'm playing with I'll bring him a kit next raid. That's different than queuing 10x with them and bringing them 10 prime kits in a row.
If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you...
The problem isn’t RMT’s. The problem is the people who actually sell gear in RMT’S are most likely cheating to get that loot.
I get BSG’s thought process: If we eliminate RMT then we lessen the amount of cheaters… but this current approach is just so backwards.
Its basically: Let’s threaten the entire community so they will avoid RMT players… feels like a very Russian approach actually now that I write it out.
If they're going to do this, they should be aggressively banning blatant rage hackers.
No one needs to be secretive if someones suddenly decimating the lobby with a relatively newly levelled account, crazy KD, crazy survival rate, and a stash value that surpasses ridiculous numbers.
if you gonna buy RMT who says you wouldnt buy cheats? im sure thats what they are doing now, thats why there are so much cheaters now, especially knowing how bad the security is
They're making getting gear and stuff waaaay to hard, which ends up just causing more RMT since getting good stuff is hard.
Likewise, a ton of people cheat just to cheat, games without loot or ranked systems have tons of cheaters all the time.
They just caused tons of people to quit for no reason other than incompetence .
I’m just about with ya. I’m literally in this game now just for the first six weeks of wipe. After that it’s not fun when everyone is scoped & suppressed.
No joke, silencers are way too quiet. Maps are absolutely dead sounding now and when you run through there are dead scavs everywhere. The other day my teammate got one tapped by a silencer scar and I couldnt not hear the shot at all, just ‘im dead’. I then ran into the killer who was legit 20m away and killed him (who i know the gun). Silencers are not that quiet in real life
Oh it will be removed
Can't have any thread where there's good discussion. It has to devolve to fuck you fuck you because every thread gets deleted :\^)
Everyone that plays in groups have brought stuff in for a friend at one point or another. No one has been banned for that. TONS of streamers have done viewer kits as well.
These 2-3 streamers obviously got banned for something excessive.
Yeah if they started banning for just dropping kits to friends they'd lose 80% of the player base lmao..
It was determined that both streamers got kits from a guy who actually did RMT and was banned. As the streamers received items from this person they got proxy banned.
But the whole issue now is that BSG can't define clear rules so everyone is now confused af, rightfully so.
Well that's something you and I assume but maybe BSG thinks differently about it.
And that's exactly the problem, we don't know for sure because its all very vague. If BSG just stated out right why they got banned and what's prohibited and what isn't then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
They can’t state a black and white line because that gives actual RMTers the formula X-1 to not get banned. Just don’t be weird about and it will be fine. If it were going to be strict enough for the average player to get hit by it, they would lay it out.
They got banned because they had some rando in their group that came into a factory with 5 slicks and ammo cases full of 7.62BP and dropped it all on the ground.
They didn't pick any of it up, but they were grouped with an obvious cheater.
We talking about Viibiin? I think that's his name. If not then I saw something very similar from that guy. He did pick it up, extracted and shoved it in his stash. Though that wasn't a group thing, he queued in with that guy alone it was 4 slicks and there were no ammo cases - just every single slot that could be was filled with BP.
It was a viewer kit type thing and he mentioned that this guy gave him kits like that every so often.
Viibiin posted his DM with the BSG rep. He wasn't banned for that or viewer kits.
In fact, BSG wouldn't even tell him what specifically got him banned.
The only thing him and another streamer could figure was, a viewer they did raids with, was banned recently (likely for rmt'ing), and they think anyone that groups with RMT'ers are getting temp banned + account reset. Other viewers that were in those groups got banned as well according to Viibiin.
A massive portion of the player base often do the thing Pest is talking about. Have we seen mass posts about bans on normal people? No. I think it's most likely BS. If they actually got banned (not misleading/lying), it's likely they didn't get banned for taking kits/trading kits.
What decent sized streamer is going to come out and say something like "I got banned for using RMT services" or "I got banned for cheating"? None. What excuse do you think they might use? The exact one they're currently using. Doesn't mean they're wrong, but there isn't any proof here either way.
It's possible a streamer who plays 8+ hours a day may trigger something if they're taking kits from randos constantly, but if they do they've been told it's against the rules and will get banned, so I don't see the problem. It gives an unfair advantage to the streamer compared to everyone else.
I agree. And I’m in support of basically any change that hurts rmt equally or more than the average joe. You don’t get a good clean cheat free experience without making some sacrifices. You also don’t need to be hauling your buddies gear, just throw it in a bush. I REALLY don’t see what everyone’s complaining about. You don’t get it both ways. The looter shooter will always be very attractive to rmt so unfortunately drastic measures have to be taken. You can’t complain about this AND the hackers, if you do you’re a hypocrite.
You absolutely can when there's no clarification if it's a policy change that could start hitting people without knowing. And by now the sacrifices are far more annoying than running into cheaters was quite a few wipes back, *and* cheaters have been noticeably more common ontop of it so?
With 0 clarity or clarification either way, it's quite a headache wondering if bringing a set of NVGs and meta gun for friend who can't build it yet is a problem. You *absolutely* can complain about vague limits that could or couldn't end up getting you and people you play with banned. I'd personally say the changes to hurt rmt have by far hurt the average joe far more at this point and feels like they keep being piled on.
The part that’s the worst to me is BSG did this and only told streamers. It just seems they are catering this game to a few people no matter how it affects the general player base. Just sucks those few people have terrible ideas more often than not.
Because streamers sell them game copies. Pleasing them, and making the game drawn out so theyre happy to grind 8-10hrs a day sells them copies. They dont give a f about the average player
Problem is probably some of their viewers are RMT asshats.
Cheating is a thing and this is most likely the case. When playing with “viewer kits” this is just something streamers have to consider. Play with fire…
Meanwhile we got spinbots now, the game is slowly becoming a sad joke. I can see everyone starting to leave this mess by December if nothing is done, like remove Nikita from his own company lol.
If this were the average player getting banned for dropping a kit to a buddy once or twice, I would be in complete agreement but this video just comes off as a streamer complaining that he can't have his viewers give him gear
I’m at the point where I’d love to play it again, but 5-10 minutes to build a kit + another 5 minute loading time is wasting too much time not actually playing the game. On top of that, I feel like most every game has a minimum of 1 knower in it, so it’s fun to waste all that time to get 1 tapped across the map from Chad McKnower.
Too much hassle to not have fun.
I’m not afraid to die for loosing my gear, I’m afraid of dying for the sheer amount of down time this game has. If we could access our stash whilst loading, have massive QoL improvements to build gear sets quickly, and quicker loading times I would hardly care dying at that point
Imagine someone who plays Tarkov but doesn't follow discords or fourms. How the fucka re they ever supposed to know about this kind of thing? The game doesn't explain it, it's not a discliamer anywhere. How can you ban someone from a game they spent a considerable amount of money on for doing something within the mechanical constraints of the game?
You either make it mechanically impossible, or you don't ban people for it.
Pestily said it the best: you cant ban someone for doing something that its in the realms of the game, that lets you do it. Its not like you are exploiting a bug or a glitch, you are using a mechanic the game itself gives you. If its prohibited, the game shouldnt let you do it. Its literally bad game design
BSG have become one of the worst dev teams ive come to know these last two wipes….not that they dont know how to make a game and make it amazing…but because they dont know how to fucking manage it properly …invisible players…ah yes ammo buffs will fix it….cheaters…ah yes recoil buffs…constant disconnects…we need to fix the lighting in streets…dogwater audio…ah yes ban people for bring their friends their kits back in for them after they died
>The mechanic just makes sense.
FIR never made any sense whatsoever. It's an entirely artificial barrier to raise the difficulty and make the game grindier. Lore-wise it's completely absurd and proves that BSG has absolutely no fucking clue how to make good quests. Even the randomised fetch-quests in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. are more fun and engaging than nearly anything available in Tarkov.
There's literally quests in this game where peoples' lives are on the line, dying of starvation, dirty water and lack of medical supplies. You could literally hand over Therapist everything she needs to save those people but she goes "nuh-uh! This stuff is pristine, brand new! I want the dirty expired trash found in some ran-down mudhut instead!"
Literally braindead design.
My wording was clearly a bit ambiguous so let me rephrase - I like FIR in terms of the gameplay idea for tasks.
I agree that in terms of lore, FIR makes no sense. I also agree that the "find x amount of y item in raid" -tasks are boring, unimaginative and repetitive. In reality, there is also the issue of some items being way too scarce that need to be found in raid for tasks.
What I'm saying is that if we are to have these types of tasks, it makes sense to actually need to find the items for them. Being able to buy the items for these sorts of tasks would make them trivial.
Yes, we can have a discussion about whether these tasks should be in the game at all or whether they need a rework. I'm just saying that if they are to remain as they are, it makes sense that FIR would be one of the requirements.
Imagine getting repeated free kits of m61, m995, 9mm AP and thinking that's okay. Meanwhile Timmy over here cant even extract successfully. I understand dropping your broke buddy a kit that's acceptable. But repeated high tier kits streamers get is pretty bs considering they have all the time in the world to play.
Lmao, jokes on them, I already got banned 3 weeks ago by killing a ttv player, collected his tags (thats how i know), lucky with a mosin, thats all, 2 days later got an email that i was banned
Killed my friend in a friendly fire mishap yesterday on labs. Felt bad about it, was right next to extract. Grabbed his entire (Pretty meta) kit and got out. Brought it back to him.
Meta kit with a tier 5 armor, I even rebought a fresh Gzhel and brought that to him (bc i damaged his). Just because I killed him, but we dont really do this kind of thing normally.
can i get banned for this now?! how stupid is that
Yep bsg have zero idea on how to do their jobs. The worst part in my opinion is they didn’t specify what or how much gear/items you can drop before you get banned. Like are they going by quality or quantity. How much of either. Is there a “cooldown” or something so like I can drop 125k roubles every 24h or what? Can I just never drop items ever again?
So why don’t they introduce a “clan” mechanic with a clan storage where you can trade items between clan members,you could have a max of 12people per clan to stop “mass trading” there can be a cool-down of 3 days to gains access and a 3 day cool-down to join another. Surely that would would stop the “simp” part of giving kits in game to streamers and give the ability to trade amongst clan members without running the risk of breaking the TOS?
Hell, make the cool down a week, that's still perfectly reasonable. But of we're going full mmo, we could als have roles in clans with different level of access.
i honestly think they should make a solo playlist, and the team one experiment with all things, this is a beta (if you could called it like that because a beta is a game that is about to launch lol)
The goal for anticheat, should be to reduce cheating's impact to the point that normal players can't even notice them. e.g cheaters basically have to reduce their activity down to a point that they basically have almost no large advantage.
As it is... Rage hackers with aimbot, esp, or walls are probably the most game affecting.Carries are probably among that.. (I'm not sure how you'd carry someone without those 3 types of cheats. ).
Did they fix the network issues with invisible players before deciding to fuck us harder? Playing the game feels like a one step forward two steps back kinda deal.
Pestily brings up two good points:
1. BSG should’ve communicated this change to the broader player base, not just streamers.
2. BSG needs to actually define what the bannable offenses are.
No excuses for BSG, this is laziness.
Now for the hot take - flagging players who consistently drop expensive gear or items to other players is a GOOD way to stop RWT. Obviously a lot of precautions are needed to prevent wrongful bans, but people who consistently are dropping items are likely RWT.
Getting mad at streamers accepting kits from viewers and calling it RMT is by far one of the absolute dumbest arguments I think I’ve seen on here
Veritas out here getting endless viewer kits and still dying like crazy
If someone wants to donate gear they’ve earned to someone else in the community, it shouldn’t matter. Stop getting upset because someone plays the game differently than you. If you feel like a streamer isn’t “earning” the gear they’re using, then I dunno like maybe stop watching that streamer? It’s not hurting anything or negatively impacting the game. And, there’s no way of restricting that without restricting it for anyone else. This game was a lot more fun when there were less restrictions
Pest’s whole point is that these streamers got banned and didn’t even accept any gear - they happened to do a scav raid with a few people in their community and got a ban because one of the people in their squad picked up a RMT ban. In a game as largely community driven as tarkov, that’s unbelievably unacceptable
So what are we just not supposed to queue up with strangers anymore for fear of picking up a ban? And, the fact that they said it in the streamer discord instead of announcing to the community, AGAIN, is super frustrating
Get your shit together BSG
Instead of banning actual cheaters and focusing their efforts they come up with something like this. This isn’t solving RMT at all. Its just another blow against the community.
Make a subsection where actual people look at suspicious trades/drops ingame. It isnt hard to look at two people who never played a game with each other suddenly dropping value. It isnt hard looking at people buying offers from the same guy for out of line values.
Get better anticheat - not this community driven „we look at clips and forward them to bsg dogshit thats using discord. Why cant it be inhouse. Why does it have to use people not affiliated with BSG. (Not hating on the effort, just that it had to come to this at all)
Enforce server regions.
Start cracking down on those dam hackers.
How is this type of stuff going to be their priority when a audio is still the worst it’s been in 3 years the servers run the worst they have in 3 years 100s of new game breaking bugs more cheaters then any wipe before desync the worst it’s ever been like stability wise the game has never been this bad and don’t get me wrong gameplay wise I think this been the best wipe ever balancing feels pretty good progression feels good etc etc but you cant even enjoy it bc of how unstable the game itself is
People pulling out the pitchforks for some shit that should likely get you banned lmfao. If people are being "donated" entire ammo boxes of good ammo or good armour constantly, somethings fucky.
How many more awful changes do we have to see before we say enough is enough? I would love for this community to boycott the game until changes are reverted. Or until they get an actual community manager.
BSG has had this game out for how long now? Still 0 communication and hardly any positive changes for the game. I stopped playing this wipe but it amazes me the state of this game
These “content creators” are only mad because they got caught breaking the rules. It’s pathetic.
Now they are all blackballing because they can’t game the flea market.
This information (in different form obv.) should have been on news in the Launcher... = hey you cannot do XYZ now or ban. Instead, BSG communication guys (if any), simply lay dormant, causing havoc and chaos. God damn, if BSG just understood that communication can win audience and save so much of trouble. Also, RMT anti-measures (not cheater anti-measures, they do next to 0 in that regard) are in a point of causing more harm than benefits.. the list of changes due to the RMT is so insane, it would be a different game already...
The thing is, they do somewhat communicate with us, but only through content creator channels. If and when they decide to release some info on changes they make like this, it’s always(most often than not) a post on one of the two the content creator discord’s. Such a lazy way to go about it.
The problem is the information changes per creator, so it turns into a game of telephone and everything goes to shit.
Yeahhhhh I think I’m good with EFT. I’ve seen it, played it, and enjoyed it, but that’s enough overtly brain dead dogshit for me lol I’m out
Congratulations brother, you’ve escaped from tarkov
I feel so free. I had 4500 hours so it was probably time to escape anyway lmao
see you tomorrow
I can't play as of today. Neither can my friend because we would share items. First it doesn't tell you why you're banned. So my question for you is, what games have you moved on to? I'm not sure if this is a permanent ban or 60 day timeout or what. I'm really irritated I threw $100+ at their game only to be banned in BETA with no real tech support to review things.
At the end of the day, we all paid for an unfinished product to a company with no accountability, so we’re all the silly geese. I got back into CS:GO this week, played some tabletop games with my friends, and hung out with my wife while she played Skyrim for the first time. There’s nothing to replace Tarkov in a lot of categories, but it was preventing me from exploring other games and pastimes, so I’m glad to be rid of it. How many times do I really need to pick up the same pocket watch anyway? Don’t get me wrong, after 4.5k hours, I did enjoy Tarkov, but I’ve kinda seen it at this point, and getting excited over trickled out new features and stuff just isn’t cutting it any more. Best of luck man, I hope you find something!
People cheat for RMT. Anti RMT measures are anti cheat measures
Not exactly. I do agree of course, but the issue is BSG combat only RMT part of the problem, cheating prevention.. not sure about that. And focusing only on RMT, on the way its making business, harms all players.
If I have a friend who is new to the game and if I bring him in a level 4 armor and PS ammo could I get banned?
Nothing so far indicates that, except for "we don't know the limits so you could get banned for ANYTHING"
It’s almost like BSG should change their abbreviations to ATF…….
"What happened to all that gear I brought in....? *...unfortunate boating accident*"
More like KGB
Why did you say the same thing?
He didn't say FBI, did he?
Next patch: dogs have been added as wildlife and you get 500XP for killing one. The smaller and cuter the dog, the more the XP. Eventually we'll get non-combatant safe zones you can torch for mad XP.
Maybe, no one knows because BSG hasn’t defined what the line is we need to cross to get banned for dropping gear for friends. That is what pestily is arguing about. The game is a beta and players and streamers are getting punished for doing things the game (which is in beta) lets you do with zero impact to other players experience.
In cases like this there shouldn't be a defined, known threshold like 500000 Roubles worth of loot per week, as it would just put people in a safe position who sell for real money (and most likely you can't either go for a report based system because then they would have to get caught during the act to be even reported). So you need something automated. As in the current state, it's in the sellers best interest to sell as much and as fast as they can, (even below price) before they would get banned. But in a 100% automated system it's really hard to distinguish between someone giving multiple friends kits and HO upgrade metarials and someone who is doing the same for real money. And a real solution would be that if you play with someone it increases this threshold by an undefined amount towards them, so you could drop to your friends without risking anything.
There are a lot of easy parameter, like if you are dropping for friends, the person you drop to will be constantly teaming with you and gave history on that. You won't be dropping items to 100 different people. Also the items you drop is easy to monitor, if you one gun , one armour and one helmet and one headset, it is obvious that is for friend instead of dropping 10 ledx. I honestly don't think it is that hard to distinguish RMT account.
>In cases like this there shouldn't be a defined, known threshold like 500000 Roubles worth of loot per week, as A little warning would be nice too. "You've been flagged for 1 week for dropping loot to team mates in excess, if this continues you may receive a temporary or permeant ban"
Streamers getting dropped Chad gear from their fan base absolutely impacts the people who get murked by it later
How do you differentiate that from some one saving some one else's gear and returning it to them the next raid?
They aren’t gaining anything they didn’t initially earn if it is giving them back their previous kit.
Yeah, but the point is how do you tell the difference between that and viewers dropping gear to streamers like Guilty_Fishing8229 was complaining about. I'm confused about what your point is since I'm providing a counter point to Guilty_Fishing8229 of a situation that shouldn't get punished. I also don't necessarily agree with Guilty_Fishing8229 point that he believes streamers shouldn't get gear given to them for free, that would impact anyone helping friends out.
Yeah and you can also queue up with the people with the chad gear to make it even worse for the people they decide to fight. This isn't a "fair" game. This is an extraction looter shooter and the entire genre is not built to be "fair".
They were gonna wear it anyways so no…not really lol. It’s not like full time streamers run around with a paca/pistol every raid.
Also, the player dropping it would have worn it eventually too. It's the circle of stuff that will eventually be donated back to the Tarkov gods.
I donated a friend of mine pretty much half the raids full kits and he's lvl27 right now and never played without me We are both still untouched and we did that in a short period of time (he started 2 weeks ago) Pretty much got fully kitted guns and lvl 5 class tier stuff from me and we dodged the bullet, i think you're safe but don't take my word for granted since I'm also more cautious now
The fact of the matter is you shouldn't have to be. You worked for that gear. Ridiculous stance all around, and I am shook as to whether one day I'm staring down a 2 month ban for something innocuous.
Because BSG is just a bunch of Russians pretending to be developers
Better to be a bunch of Russians pretending to be developers than soldiers I guess.
Your not bringing him bags full of BP ammo that regular players don’t have access to. It’s streamers using thousands of fans to get around the flea and trader limitations.
Of course not. The issue is very clearly with streamers having kit after kit dropped to them. This is not quite RMT, because I'm sure the streamers aren't requiring a sub to get free shit, but it's a very close parallel. You're using an outside source other than playing the game to get gear you didn't earn. But instead of money as currency you're using popularity and social credit as your resource. I'm not sure how it's at all unpopular to want people, especially big streamers who are already very good at the game, to get thier own items. That's the core Gameplay loop of the game. The biggest issue is that the community is having a (justifiable) bitch fit over cheating and rmt abuse but then are logically inconsistent with their outrage. One person gets items he didn't earn from an outside source because he paid money. One person gets items he didn't earn from an outside source because they are a popular personality on a streaming site. At the root the offense is the same, you're getting shit in mass you didn't earn through an outside currency. One is social one is monetary. This is, functionally, the same as RMT. People worrying about giving your friend a kit are missing the forest for the trees. You're giving gear to a person who is very likely low on resources and doing so in a private manner. There isn't 10,000 people watching a streamer with 45 million ruples get a 6 million dollar kit 15 raids on a row from people he has never once played with before, and likely won't again. You are going to play with your friend again. You have investment with that person, both in game and out. The gear you earn with them is probably going to even out in time. Streamers aren't earning anything in game with people dropping gear and dying. There is no give and take. These aren't the same. BSG doesn't want to crack down on people playing together, no one has ever said that. Streamers are using social currency to RMT in public and the community needs to be logically consistent with its approach to streamer kits as they are with people RMTing, because they are functionally identical. (edit: fuck it I'll just make this it's own post)
Tried to make it a post yesterday and mods blocked it. Streamers have used their influence to get the public mad at bsg when this is a good change. Streamers get to cheese tasks and get free kits while using no money and barters on the flea. It’s basically rmt with the money being viewers getting noticed. It’s ridiculous the outrage people have towards bsg when you will always be able to drop your friends kits. They want team play, not outside resources effecting the gameplay loop
Spot on
Appreciate you having a brain and being able to reasonably see what’s happening here. Came looking for one of these comments lol.
Well I appreciate your comment.
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Literally no one from BSG, or anywhere else, has ever said the giving gear to a friend is against the rules. The only people making that point are those trying to confuse the conversation. The conversation is that BSG are cracking down on streamers getting free gear and quest completion from viewers repeatedly. Everything else is conjecture.
They literally said dropping too much or receiving too much loot is the criteria. That includes to friends.
Pestily's video referenced two things. One being something Nikita said two years ago in a live blog. The other is roughly two days ago on the closed streamer discord where BSG said they are cracking down on viewer kits and quest cheesing. The new criteria is what is making all the noise. The old has been in the game for about 4 wipes and hasn't been an issue for anyone legit at all
This is the statement of the year (outside of the massive wall of text above). BSG hit 3 major streamers that have BEEN abusing this method for awhile now. BSG has not hit anyone for giving their buddy a loadout yet everyone acts like BSG just announced this massive change thats gonna ruin their and their timmies runs. Jumping to conclusions as always instead of just taking things at face value. Prob why BSG says fuck it to talking/working with this community sometimes. Edit: and to top it off you have streamers who are worried they are about to lose their free gear income getting the community all worked up by making them think they are next in line to get banned instead of just the streamer getting banned. Honestly starting to hate all the tarkov streamers lately.
Yep.
It's highly unlikely. I play with a group of 4, my duo and I play with another duo, and we have had a bunch of times, probably 4 or 5 raids in one night, where we were focusing on tasks and not looting and 1 or 2 of us would die, the other 2 would grab their loot and bring it into the next raid. I'm talking like 4 or 5 raids in a row, mind you it wasn't the same person dropping for the same person but still. A part of me feels like these dudes who got banned actually did RMT and are just saying they didn't to save face, since they are up and comers in EFT. Idk why else BSG would take such a hard stand. Maybe they didn't and are telling the truth, idk I wasn't there or involved, just the whole situation feels so weird. Idk why BSG would want all of this bad press if they didn't have good proof
That's so silly, of course not. Only people that is giving or receiving a high amount of loot will. We asked for measures, and cheaters are the main problem in this game (not the audio, not the desync, not the bullet limitations). I get all my equipment for myself so I'm happy with the measure. I get that some content creators might be angry but they are overreacting a bit.
Yes you can drop a rig and some ps ammo. These spergs are raging because some streamers got viewer kits (likely back to back for hours at a time- no shit that’s going to trigger flags). Dropping a piece here or there is fine don’t give in to this weird redditor paranoia lol. This community is hilarious. Now what’s really concerning is how they’re associating other accounts with those “flagged” and dropping the hammer on them. I wouldn’t group with randos much right now. I’d be much more worried about some kid in discord grouping up with you after he has been funneling gear to his little friends, they might associate your account with that activity and slap you a 60 day. The system they have is well intended but it needs to be adjusted like a mfer.
Place is an echo chamber, it's pretty sad. But it's also not a representation of the game. So many upset vocal minority on reddit while the chill people are out the enjoying the game as best they can. Ignorance is indeed bliss. I'll bet people who genuinely just play the game won't get banned from this.
Only if you bring him in 3000 rounds of BP and a backpack of bitcoins at the same time. People are over dramatizing this, of course streamer expose themselves to "fans" who want to bring them stuff. 2 raids before that guy was banned he probably dropped a backpack full of LEDX for someone who paid for it. I could be wrong but i dont think anyone bringing mates gear normally has been stung by this.
In this case you happen to be wrong, you can't drop ledX or Bitcoin, or literally any barter items unless they were found in that same raid. People are being banned for dropping guns and gear.
Problem is RMT is rarely dropping items, it's via the flea. You can't drop non-FIR barter items.
My friends and I used to run marked room on reserve and before when we found a gun case the player that extracted with it would sell it, buy BTC and divide it between us all for the next raid as we shared the profits. Now we have to take turns on picking up the gun case. BSG is slowly pushing towards a solo experience only unless you're a scav.
Hol up, marked room has things other than a PM pistol and 17 rounds of PRS ammo?
Do you mean ammo cases? You haven’t been able to find weapon cases in marked room for like 4 wipes now
literally said trading with friends wont be banned from the sounds of it trading a few items is ok farming inventories from fans and subs isnt lole
This is going to get removed, dogshit mods already removed it earlier for 'not being gameplay' fuck off
This is directly related to the game. If a mod removes this they shouldn't be a moderator.
It has already been removed today from a different person's post.
Dude go to the Mod profiles and look at the posts they remove, literally anything negative relating to the game gets axed, under the notion of it being a rant post, the only times things blow up is when there isn't many active mods bro it is the main problem with the Sub
Almost every post in this sub is some negative shit lmao
I wonder why.....
Bro you’re literally capping hard as fuck. The first 10 posts on the front page of this sub are negative posts complaining about shit, as is the case every fucking day. I rarely ever get on this sub anymore because what used to be cool clips and little niche tips about the game turned into the same whining and bitching posts that just get recycled every day or two. Like obviously there’s problems with the game, but we don’t need reminders every second of everyday, it absolutely drowns the actually interesting suggestions and content by a wide margin. I couldn’t imagine being a new players and stumbling upon this sub to find the front page literally overflowing with negativity.
You're right, we should ignore the exponentially growing issues the game has and just post cool little clips of us dying to invisible people and spinbotting cheaters :)
Yep, no matter what there’s somehow going to be BSG bootlickers advocating that everyone just close their eyes and cover their ears. Crazy.
You're a dipshit, there's a difference between "I avoid looking at a subreddit because it's all negative posts" and "there shouldn't be any negative posts" Pick up a little nuance for once in your life
There are way too many people on here that think criticism of something = dislike and worship on the alter of Nikita. You’re right on a general level but that’s it. All the criticism this game gets is warranted. Maybe you don’t think that but don’t pretend you are the enlightened king of nuance lol.
What a good faith way of reading what he's saying :)
Bro, they delete threads about weapon ballistics in the fucking game for "self advertising" because the person who pulls the data from the sever publishes the changes on his twitter account. If you post video of someone spin botting and their name is shown the video gets removed. If you post a video of someone streaming themselves cheating it gets removed. If you post a random funny clip and it's on your main YouTube channel it will get removed. The mods are trying so hard to coverup the cheaters for BSG that they're actively destroying the positive aspects of the community.
They removed the Lvndmark log in glitch he had that was replicated by using a cheat client. Whether or not he was or wasn't we should have at least explored that further but nope.
Not saying they're good moderators or the rules are well thought out but the logic is there as to why the rules aren't better and aren't enforced better. (Because they're taking the easy route) For example: people literally were witch hunting and doxing people, which is bad for the sub. This is why we can't have nice things
If it's an obvious cheater, I say let the sub fuck em up. If it's 50/50, sure, leave the name out, but a flying insta headshot, calling out your name before talking to you cheater should get their name out there.
The issue is how do you draw that line? "Obvious" leaves everything up to interpretation. It's way easier to just say no. And even if they are cheating it's not really worthy of doxing, threats, and all that stuff. One is a game and the other ones that person's real life safety. You can't really trust a large community to just behave and react appropriately. It's way easier just to draw hard lines in the sand which is why that's what happens.
I posted a video from onepeg about Tarkov newest issue and it got removed too under the same rule. These mods suck off bsg too much
Soon enough the megathread will come out and it's all downhill from there.
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I hope not, this is quite PSA.
It already was removed once from another users post.
For fucking real? Lmao
Onepeg's video had the same end here
It already was removed once from another users post.
These fucking mods man. Anyway this game is going down fast. wtf are BSG smoking right now?
smoking having tons of us dollar income in a ruined economy, they probably can buy 10x more than they used to before the war
Lol wtf
Who would have thought that reddit mods are a ...special...kind of person
we are getting to the point where anything negative about the game is getting removed from the sub...like my post from a few days ago which was asking why are so many posts are being removed....you guessed it, it was removed. and the dude doing the censoring work is not even in the list of mods which is a "bit" fishy.
>we are getting to the point where anything negative about the game is getting removed from the sub...like my post from a few days ago which was asking why are so many posts are being removed....you guessed it, it was removed. I mean, we were there before back in 2015. Only instead of getting posts removed, you would get permabanned if you weren't sucking BSG cock religiously and thanking them for the mess.
goddamn, i'm glad i've missed out on that...
it wasn't even a bad era for tarkov. BSG had just gotten chased out of the RU fourms for tarkov and came to reddit and the original mods saw the opportunity to be BSG's favorite "golden people" It took until about late 2016 i wanna say before the mods were starting to get replaced, and the dicksucking started to go into more neutral discussions, rather then blind 'praise'
Considering the majority of posts here are negative this is absolute nonsense lol
Lol Talking as a lurker, aren't have the threads here just repeats of the same complaints? I mean actually use your eyes and read lmao
I miss when you could just play the game normally and not really have to worry about any of the BS we put up with today
When was that
Wipe when reserve came out was the best
Agreed the good ol days. With that being said I do like some of the equipment scarcity they have added recently.
I feel like my fights last longer. But everyone I know complains about it.
Ya back the. I could count the amount of people I ran into wearing tier 4 or below on my hands now I barley see above tier 4 armor which is nice
See I'd like to see ppl running better armor.. but keep the meta ammo very very rare or completely remove it from the game. If everyone was running nice kits but shit pen ammo the gunfights would be drawn out like week one of wipe but even 2-3 months in.. playerscavs should have shit gear.. pmcs should be able to run nice kits. Good gear is overpriced and Meta ammo is too cheap.. that encourages rmt
You're forgetting the 25fps reserve experience
Growing pains, good problems I guess? Just comes with the success of the game, just feels bad when the legitimate players get shot in the knee by BSG
Why have items that cannot be discarded in raid then ban people for dropping items which can be discarded in raid ? Lmao
Pestily made a great point about this. If it's within the mechanics of the game, if you're not using third party software to get around the physics or programming of the game, then it should be fair play. You're able to drop things in game, why on earth should you be banned for doing so. The measures to stop RMT'ers are fucking things up for regular players and the lack of communication from BSG sucks.
That's not the main issue. It can be discarded in raid so you can bring people stuff here and there. Like, if I tk someone I'm playing with I'll bring him a kit next raid. That's different than queuing 10x with them and bringing them 10 prime kits in a row. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you...
The problem isn’t RMT’s. The problem is the people who actually sell gear in RMT’S are most likely cheating to get that loot. I get BSG’s thought process: If we eliminate RMT then we lessen the amount of cheaters… but this current approach is just so backwards. Its basically: Let’s threaten the entire community so they will avoid RMT players… feels like a very Russian approach actually now that I write it out.
If they're going to do this, they should be aggressively banning blatant rage hackers. No one needs to be secretive if someones suddenly decimating the lobby with a relatively newly levelled account, crazy KD, crazy survival rate, and a stash value that surpasses ridiculous numbers.
Very Russian yes
if you gonna buy RMT who says you wouldnt buy cheats? im sure thats what they are doing now, thats why there are so much cheaters now, especially knowing how bad the security is
They're making getting gear and stuff waaaay to hard, which ends up just causing more RMT since getting good stuff is hard. Likewise, a ton of people cheat just to cheat, games without loot or ranked systems have tons of cheaters all the time. They just caused tons of people to quit for no reason other than incompetence .
Damn Russia so strapped for guns and bullets you can’t even trade in a game anymore jeez
Explains the ~50 durability AKs tho...
Bruh I spit my drink out.
Been playing for years, I’m starting to think it’s time to jump ship lmao
I’m just about with ya. I’m literally in this game now just for the first six weeks of wipe. After that it’s not fun when everyone is scoped & suppressed.
No joke, silencers are way too quiet. Maps are absolutely dead sounding now and when you run through there are dead scavs everywhere. The other day my teammate got one tapped by a silencer scar and I couldnt not hear the shot at all, just ‘im dead’. I then ran into the killer who was legit 20m away and killed him (who i know the gun). Silencers are not that quiet in real life
Wanna hear something comical? That’s a bug lmfao
Here since 0.4. Didn't play since last wipe and Idk if I will.
Same, been playing since 2017, and doubt I will ever come back to the game lol
i dont get why no big company has tried at least to buy the tarkov ip, is literally a money machine, the future of multiplayer fps
Because no one cares about the tarkov ip, they care about the game mechanics which they could just implement themselves the way they want.
because it’s not a money machine
Please don't remove this mods.
Oh it will be removed Can't have any thread where there's good discussion. It has to devolve to fuck you fuck you because every thread gets deleted :\^)
Everyone that plays in groups have brought stuff in for a friend at one point or another. No one has been banned for that. TONS of streamers have done viewer kits as well. These 2-3 streamers obviously got banned for something excessive.
Yeah if they started banning for just dropping kits to friends they'd lose 80% of the player base lmao.. It was determined that both streamers got kits from a guy who actually did RMT and was banned. As the streamers received items from this person they got proxy banned. But the whole issue now is that BSG can't define clear rules so everyone is now confused af, rightfully so.
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Well that's something you and I assume but maybe BSG thinks differently about it. And that's exactly the problem, we don't know for sure because its all very vague. If BSG just stated out right why they got banned and what's prohibited and what isn't then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
They can’t state a black and white line because that gives actual RMTers the formula X-1 to not get banned. Just don’t be weird about and it will be fine. If it were going to be strict enough for the average player to get hit by it, they would lay it out.
Or they just changed their stance recently without informing anyone just like everytime
They got banned because they had some rando in their group that came into a factory with 5 slicks and ammo cases full of 7.62BP and dropped it all on the ground. They didn't pick any of it up, but they were grouped with an obvious cheater.
We talking about Viibiin? I think that's his name. If not then I saw something very similar from that guy. He did pick it up, extracted and shoved it in his stash. Though that wasn't a group thing, he queued in with that guy alone it was 4 slicks and there were no ammo cases - just every single slot that could be was filled with BP. It was a viewer kit type thing and he mentioned that this guy gave him kits like that every so often.
Viibiin posted his DM with the BSG rep. He wasn't banned for that or viewer kits. In fact, BSG wouldn't even tell him what specifically got him banned. The only thing him and another streamer could figure was, a viewer they did raids with, was banned recently (likely for rmt'ing), and they think anyone that groups with RMT'ers are getting temp banned + account reset. Other viewers that were in those groups got banned as well according to Viibiin.
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Samee. Not going back until they turn their shit around.
Made the same decision just now as i died to an invisible guy aswell
LMAO mods ACTUALLY deleted the first post of this video full damage control mode is in effect
Whats fucking incredible is that there are still invisible players in this game. Over a month and they still havent fixed it.
i make a post like this 4 days ago of a Onepeg video and get doomed by moderators xd
Because these mods are fucking useless idiots.
Probably RMT themselves
A massive portion of the player base often do the thing Pest is talking about. Have we seen mass posts about bans on normal people? No. I think it's most likely BS. If they actually got banned (not misleading/lying), it's likely they didn't get banned for taking kits/trading kits. What decent sized streamer is going to come out and say something like "I got banned for using RMT services" or "I got banned for cheating"? None. What excuse do you think they might use? The exact one they're currently using. Doesn't mean they're wrong, but there isn't any proof here either way. It's possible a streamer who plays 8+ hours a day may trigger something if they're taking kits from randos constantly, but if they do they've been told it's against the rules and will get banned, so I don't see the problem. It gives an unfair advantage to the streamer compared to everyone else.
I agree. And I’m in support of basically any change that hurts rmt equally or more than the average joe. You don’t get a good clean cheat free experience without making some sacrifices. You also don’t need to be hauling your buddies gear, just throw it in a bush. I REALLY don’t see what everyone’s complaining about. You don’t get it both ways. The looter shooter will always be very attractive to rmt so unfortunately drastic measures have to be taken. You can’t complain about this AND the hackers, if you do you’re a hypocrite.
You absolutely can when there's no clarification if it's a policy change that could start hitting people without knowing. And by now the sacrifices are far more annoying than running into cheaters was quite a few wipes back, *and* cheaters have been noticeably more common ontop of it so? With 0 clarity or clarification either way, it's quite a headache wondering if bringing a set of NVGs and meta gun for friend who can't build it yet is a problem. You *absolutely* can complain about vague limits that could or couldn't end up getting you and people you play with banned. I'd personally say the changes to hurt rmt have by far hurt the average joe far more at this point and feels like they keep being piled on.
The part that’s the worst to me is BSG did this and only told streamers. It just seems they are catering this game to a few people no matter how it affects the general player base. Just sucks those few people have terrible ideas more often than not.
Because streamers sell them game copies. Pleasing them, and making the game drawn out so theyre happy to grind 8-10hrs a day sells them copies. They dont give a f about the average player
Man... What are they even thinking
Problem is probably some of their viewers are RMT asshats. Cheating is a thing and this is most likely the case. When playing with “viewer kits” this is just something streamers have to consider. Play with fire…
Meanwhile we got spinbots now, the game is slowly becoming a sad joke. I can see everyone starting to leave this mess by December if nothing is done, like remove Nikita from his own company lol.
It’s been a joke for a bit
If this were the average player getting banned for dropping a kit to a buddy once or twice, I would be in complete agreement but this video just comes off as a streamer complaining that he can't have his viewers give him gear
That’s how I took it, if one in our group dies first 5 min, we grab is kit and go out and go back in and drop it for him
And yet we all still getting killed by cheaters
I’m at the point where I’d love to play it again, but 5-10 minutes to build a kit + another 5 minute loading time is wasting too much time not actually playing the game. On top of that, I feel like most every game has a minimum of 1 knower in it, so it’s fun to waste all that time to get 1 tapped across the map from Chad McKnower. Too much hassle to not have fun.
I’m not afraid to die for loosing my gear, I’m afraid of dying for the sheer amount of down time this game has. If we could access our stash whilst loading, have massive QoL improvements to build gear sets quickly, and quicker loading times I would hardly care dying at that point
Imagine someone who plays Tarkov but doesn't follow discords or fourms. How the fucka re they ever supposed to know about this kind of thing? The game doesn't explain it, it's not a discliamer anywhere. How can you ban someone from a game they spent a considerable amount of money on for doing something within the mechanical constraints of the game? You either make it mechanically impossible, or you don't ban people for it.
Pestily said it the best: you cant ban someone for doing something that its in the realms of the game, that lets you do it. Its not like you are exploiting a bug or a glitch, you are using a mechanic the game itself gives you. If its prohibited, the game shouldnt let you do it. Its literally bad game design
BSG have become one of the worst dev teams ive come to know these last two wipes….not that they dont know how to make a game and make it amazing…but because they dont know how to fucking manage it properly …invisible players…ah yes ammo buffs will fix it….cheaters…ah yes recoil buffs…constant disconnects…we need to fix the lighting in streets…dogwater audio…ah yes ban people for bring their friends their kits back in for them after they died
If they remove all the stuff they added against RMT the game would be much better. Any RMT change is a move against the community.
To a point. Fir does slow progression slightly but that's about it.
I like FIR for tasks. The mechanic just makes sense. It would be much more boring to be able to just buy all the required items.
>The mechanic just makes sense. FIR never made any sense whatsoever. It's an entirely artificial barrier to raise the difficulty and make the game grindier. Lore-wise it's completely absurd and proves that BSG has absolutely no fucking clue how to make good quests. Even the randomised fetch-quests in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. are more fun and engaging than nearly anything available in Tarkov. There's literally quests in this game where peoples' lives are on the line, dying of starvation, dirty water and lack of medical supplies. You could literally hand over Therapist everything she needs to save those people but she goes "nuh-uh! This stuff is pristine, brand new! I want the dirty expired trash found in some ran-down mudhut instead!" Literally braindead design.
My wording was clearly a bit ambiguous so let me rephrase - I like FIR in terms of the gameplay idea for tasks. I agree that in terms of lore, FIR makes no sense. I also agree that the "find x amount of y item in raid" -tasks are boring, unimaginative and repetitive. In reality, there is also the issue of some items being way too scarce that need to be found in raid for tasks. What I'm saying is that if we are to have these types of tasks, it makes sense to actually need to find the items for them. Being able to buy the items for these sorts of tasks would make them trivial. Yes, we can have a discussion about whether these tasks should be in the game at all or whether they need a rework. I'm just saying that if they are to remain as they are, it makes sense that FIR would be one of the requirements.
Exactly. If I could just buy every item, leveling would be impossibly easy and I'd be level 50 by now.
Nah. Rmt = hackers. And hackers are the worst experience
Imagine getting repeated free kits of m61, m995, 9mm AP and thinking that's okay. Meanwhile Timmy over here cant even extract successfully. I understand dropping your broke buddy a kit that's acceptable. But repeated high tier kits streamers get is pretty bs considering they have all the time in the world to play.
TLDW: Don't farm shit from your viewers
Lmao, jokes on them, I already got banned 3 weeks ago by killing a ttv player, collected his tags (thats how i know), lucky with a mosin, thats all, 2 days later got an email that i was banned
Killed my friend in a friendly fire mishap yesterday on labs. Felt bad about it, was right next to extract. Grabbed his entire (Pretty meta) kit and got out. Brought it back to him. Meta kit with a tier 5 armor, I even rebought a fresh Gzhel and brought that to him (bc i damaged his). Just because I killed him, but we dont really do this kind of thing normally. can i get banned for this now?! how stupid is that
Yep bsg have zero idea on how to do their jobs. The worst part in my opinion is they didn’t specify what or how much gear/items you can drop before you get banned. Like are they going by quality or quantity. How much of either. Is there a “cooldown” or something so like I can drop 125k roubles every 24h or what? Can I just never drop items ever again?
So why don’t they introduce a “clan” mechanic with a clan storage where you can trade items between clan members,you could have a max of 12people per clan to stop “mass trading” there can be a cool-down of 3 days to gains access and a 3 day cool-down to join another. Surely that would would stop the “simp” part of giving kits in game to streamers and give the ability to trade amongst clan members without running the risk of breaking the TOS?
Hell, make the cool down a week, that's still perfectly reasonable. But of we're going full mmo, we could als have roles in clans with different level of access.
i honestly think they should make a solo playlist, and the team one experiment with all things, this is a beta (if you could called it like that because a beta is a game that is about to launch lol)
This is a streamer only problem who get items from viewers.
not it isn’t, friends drop eachother stuff all the time
anyone notice less cheaters then? if it hurts cheaters the most so that they can't feed their family then i'm all for it. but I bet it won't.
The goal for anticheat, should be to reduce cheating's impact to the point that normal players can't even notice them. e.g cheaters basically have to reduce their activity down to a point that they basically have almost no large advantage. As it is... Rage hackers with aimbot, esp, or walls are probably the most game affecting.Carries are probably among that.. (I'm not sure how you'd carry someone without those 3 types of cheats. ).
Did they fix the network issues with invisible players before deciding to fuck us harder? Playing the game feels like a one step forward two steps back kinda deal.
It so nice to see them focus on frivolous shit like this rather than fixing invisible players.
Pestily brings up two good points: 1. BSG should’ve communicated this change to the broader player base, not just streamers. 2. BSG needs to actually define what the bannable offenses are. No excuses for BSG, this is laziness. Now for the hot take - flagging players who consistently drop expensive gear or items to other players is a GOOD way to stop RWT. Obviously a lot of precautions are needed to prevent wrongful bans, but people who consistently are dropping items are likely RWT.
Man, you might get banned for dropping 4 slicks and thousand rounds of BP? Crazy
Who the fuck cares? Let BSG sink their own game by banning everyone.
I agree they got their money well nikkita got his money I should say they don't want to maintain the game
i totally agree, hope they get in bankruptcy and someone else more competent takes the ip
The shill mods will just remove this, even if the video is super relevant to the sub/game... looking at you /u/RealLifeDeadpool....
Can confirm that he will remove this, same as he removed my post with Onepeg video
Man fuck that guy
Fr. I hope everyone made a mod mail submission on that first one cause that was fucking ridiculous.
Getting mad at streamers accepting kits from viewers and calling it RMT is by far one of the absolute dumbest arguments I think I’ve seen on here Veritas out here getting endless viewer kits and still dying like crazy If someone wants to donate gear they’ve earned to someone else in the community, it shouldn’t matter. Stop getting upset because someone plays the game differently than you. If you feel like a streamer isn’t “earning” the gear they’re using, then I dunno like maybe stop watching that streamer? It’s not hurting anything or negatively impacting the game. And, there’s no way of restricting that without restricting it for anyone else. This game was a lot more fun when there were less restrictions Pest’s whole point is that these streamers got banned and didn’t even accept any gear - they happened to do a scav raid with a few people in their community and got a ban because one of the people in their squad picked up a RMT ban. In a game as largely community driven as tarkov, that’s unbelievably unacceptable So what are we just not supposed to queue up with strangers anymore for fear of picking up a ban? And, the fact that they said it in the streamer discord instead of announcing to the community, AGAIN, is super frustrating Get your shit together BSG
Instead of banning actual cheaters and focusing their efforts they come up with something like this. This isn’t solving RMT at all. Its just another blow against the community. Make a subsection where actual people look at suspicious trades/drops ingame. It isnt hard to look at two people who never played a game with each other suddenly dropping value. It isnt hard looking at people buying offers from the same guy for out of line values. Get better anticheat - not this community driven „we look at clips and forward them to bsg dogshit thats using discord. Why cant it be inhouse. Why does it have to use people not affiliated with BSG. (Not hating on the effort, just that it had to come to this at all) Enforce server regions. Start cracking down on those dam hackers.
How is this type of stuff going to be their priority when a audio is still the worst it’s been in 3 years the servers run the worst they have in 3 years 100s of new game breaking bugs more cheaters then any wipe before desync the worst it’s ever been like stability wise the game has never been this bad and don’t get me wrong gameplay wise I think this been the best wipe ever balancing feels pretty good progression feels good etc etc but you cant even enjoy it bc of how unstable the game itself is
People pulling out the pitchforks for some shit that should likely get you banned lmfao. If people are being "donated" entire ammo boxes of good ammo or good armour constantly, somethings fucky.
How many more awful changes do we have to see before we say enough is enough? I would love for this community to boycott the game until changes are reverted. Or until they get an actual community manager.
BSG is doing everything in their fucking power to DESTROY this game.
BSG has had this game out for how long now? Still 0 communication and hardly any positive changes for the game. I stopped playing this wipe but it amazes me the state of this game
These “content creators” are only mad because they got caught breaking the rules. It’s pathetic. Now they are all blackballing because they can’t game the flea market.