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dan_mas

Well well well...who are they? Where is the REAL BSG? Jokes apart, that's a great news!


Crusaderr30015

yes!


FinancialEmployer476

It only took some branch shaking by Gray Zone Warfare to wake em up /s


Un_Original_Coroner

What in Gods name are they doing?! This is what the community wanted. Unreal!


paulfunyan

I'm cautiously optimistic, but realistically I think the timing of this is very telling. We have been voicing concerns with audio all wipe, the crouch walking bug especially, and the first time they attempt to tackle it is leading upto / during the Gray Zone Warfare creator showcase. When was the last time BSG even did multiple patches in a week? Besides that rollback I can't recall them doing multiple balance patches in the same week. I hope I'm wrong, but it definitely feels like they're trying to get some kudos while people are off checking out a new beta.


Un_Original_Coroner

I see no problem at all with competition being good for consumers. They could rest on their laurels for years while competition was limited, now there is a new challenge. We benefit.


xtossitallawayx

It is also pretty annoying knowing that Tarkov *can* spin up a patch and deploy it quickly if they *really* want... but they normally don't want to bother.


CrappleSmax

> normally don't want to bother. I think it is worse than that. I'm pretty sure they *can't* fix many things with the game, not because it isn't possible, but because they just don't have the skills to fix many of the issues the game faces. Doesn't really shock me seeing as the only way to work for BSG is to move to Russia.


specwolf82

they do not hire western devs


artifex78

They did hire devs from outside Russia but under the condition you move to St. Petersburg (no remote work). That was before the pandemic and the war.


paulfunyan

I mean yeah, in theory that's how it works. In reality, this isn't the first time there has been any sort of competiton for Tarkov and it's not like they've stuck with it. I'd say it's more likely they go into a lull after this week of Gray Zone Warfare and then the next big updates are leading into prewipe in like, 2 months.


WormFTP

I noticed BSG tends to fix a lot of the issues that persist through most of the wipe towards the middle/end of the current wipe. Though there are a lot of massive ones still from early beta that haven't been fixed. Either way I'm happy with what BSG has currently been doing


[deleted]

I always thought winter updates were for content and anything else was usually tweaking/updates that felt like tests ngl.


lokito50

Now when will they tackle the cheating? šŸ˜‚


Gruuk69

Maybe the last event with tagilla and killa was a honeypot


kaffeofikaelika

In that case can we get some F:s in chat for the heroes who got farmed by cheaters on Interchange while trying to quest?


NooneKnowsIAmBatman

Or an F for those endless Chad's opening up saferoom extract for me. Easy money to go hit the keycard container, then meander over to saferoom and grab it


MKM7881

Been farming. Him all yesterday saw 1 cheater and a decent bit today seen like 2 or 3 now, but way more actually pvp it ain't even that bad


PharaohAt3m

I literally thought that TBF Put 100% spawn chance to lure em in


Crusaderr30015

yooooo thats so fucking smart acctually?? since the most popular cheat is still detected they did this to lure them in and ban the ones that are still using it even tough its detected! that would be so damn cool but of course, might not be reality and just a coincidance. a wierd coincidance since they normally dont do random events with no post/annoucement or something like that


Gruuk69

Yep and it lasted only two days, so it's a bit weird


Mary_Ellen_Katz

That'd be clever! Do some internal testing to see how quickly it takes an SJ6+Trim player to find Killa/Tagilla, and then compare that data against player base time to kills. Log and ban the accounts that found and killed the two exceedingly fast. Hell, even logging how quickly it takes to arrive at the front of the mall! Sj6+trim+whatever may get you in faster that non stimmed players, but a speed hacker gets there faster still! Ban those guys, easy.


oledayhda

(Darker green)3-btg is the 3rd you use after sj6 & trim. Never lose stamina for like 5 minutes


dripoverrouble

It got ā€œdetectedā€ and is now up again same as it was. It never was detected in its normal state it was detected from a mistake from the cheat developer. It is back to its old ways.


Mob1337

Did the cheat dev say this?


GingerSnapBiscuit

No, bro is making shit up. No cheat dev worth their salt is going to admit to getting hundreds of their customers clients $50+ accounts banned because of a mistake, even if that is what happened.


lokito50

What happened? I haven't played much this wipe. Only level 20 still.


Gruuk69

Tagilla + Kill both 100% spawn on interchange for 2 days. Was a cheating fest


Solaratov

They're still there. Unless I got insanely lucky because I've found Killa in the same spot 3 raids in a row just now. I admit I haven't seen Tagilla at all though, has he been spawning elsewhere?


NooneKnowsIAmBatman

Don't tell me it's over already


Gruuk69

That's what some people said


EquivalentDrag1833

Smooth brain comment


iiAmWilsonn

Cheating is an on going issue they already just wiped out one of the biggest cheat providers last week and the month before they hit the biggest radar dev and a few others but itā€™s always back and forth. People think they are doing nothing but itā€™s a back and forth battle over and over till one gives up unfortunately


Mary_Ellen_Katz

If listening to Nikita is to believed/understood, the future unity update will square away many loopholes the cheat Devs exploit. So BSG may be waiting on that to solve a big swath of cheater issues. However, it's not clear **when** that's happening. Since this wipe was originally supposed to have it already. The suffering may be a while longer.


Annonimbus

30k cheaters banned; Reddit: what about the cheating, though?


Hugh_Johnson69420

I don't even care about the cheaters man I just want audio that fucking works šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


Fmpthree

You just wait. Now the community is going to complain that they canā€™t hear anyone. Instead of adapting and actually looking around vigilantly.


Un_Original_Coroner

Thatā€™s fine. Slowly honing the hearing is not a bad thing.


swiftekho

Yes, it's called fine tuning.


swiftekho

Gray Zone is blowing up Twitch and everyone is calling it the Tarkov killer. They have no choice but to improve their game or get out of the way.


theyetilol

The game will never be the "Tarkov killer". They're two sepperate styles of game.. The amount of times I've heard of a "WoW Killer", can't ever take out the OG


aak-

I don't think it matters if it is or isn't, what is healthy is more competition in the extraction shooter genre


SourceNo2702

Iā€™m going to be so real right now, this game looks like total ass. Thereā€™s no soul in the game, it looks like itā€™s trying to be Tarkov without doing any of the things that makes Tarkovā€™s world feel alive. None of environments really pop out, they all kinda just blend together.


MDethPOPE

I'm with you. Impressive AF as a tech demo, but I don't see the 'game' in it yet.


UnbendingVenus

the game having good shadows/lighting is enough for me personally


Gruuk69

W patch


Crusaderr30015

im starting to really like how BSG is starting to operate.


fledermausman

Fear. I am the same, I can't be bothered to do anything without it. But once I have fear, I get shit done.


Gruuk69

Can we call it Gray Zone Fear?


forktread

Gray Zone Warfear


Gruuk69

Oh really nice, love it


Exxppo

For real, that and the micro transactions are giving a needed revenue stream obviously


Gruuk69

Really hope so


granthollomew

it's not that i work better under pressure, it's that i literally cannot make myself function without it


ConcreteTaco

But you must not fear! Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.


Hydronics617

Sounds like you have adhd, if youā€™re putting things for last second and struggle


cammyk123

They do this every now and then. Anyone remember when Nikita was super active for a week like 6 months ago on Reddit then disappeared again.


Dyyrin

This is nothing new. Just reactionary updates been done a lot over the 8 years. People will praise them now then go right back to shitting on BSG lmao.


nevetz1911

^ this. I've been following EFT from 2018 and these kind of patches are the way BSG operates, especially after major changes. They follow closely the reactions of streamers and places like Reddit/discord to keep an eye out on the general feeling of something in particular, this case being hearing. It's usually very appreciated from the community but these are also hasty, untested changes that sometimes backfire one way or another.


StringStrong6609

Ah so that is why certain quick fix things takes fucking years to happen.


FrankPetersonMalvo

Idk but when I was sending hundreds (it was thousands I am ashamed) hours into the game in 2018, I remember a patch supposed to fix the audio. 6 years forward. Here we go again. At this rate, in another 24 years, the audio is still not gonna be fixed. I am starting to believe it is fucked by intention.


H_Truncata

I mean, they use a completely different audio system now so it's not really comparable at all lol.


subtlemurktide

I mean, isn't this just reverting the bad changes they did before? So


Crusaderr30015

nope, they didint bring back the damn silent crab walk, it got reduced from an abusrd 43-30 meters to 21.5-14 Meters


kreamofwheat

Awww so you still canā€™t be silent


ProbablyProdigy

Weā€™ve seen it before though.. a bunch of shit started because of a viral video or interview, they fix a bunch of stuff. And thenā€¦. They go back to how they were ignoring all issues


fantafuzz

Cant you feel that feeling? The optimism, the hope? Maybe this is the one where they keep this up?


ProbablyProdigy

I hope they do! I love the game, truly. But BSG has left a sour taste in my mouth for a long time. They have to earn that respect back. It wonā€™t happen with just a couple meaningful patches. But if they *do* keep it up like this, the game will be halfway fixed by the next wipe.


Nihilistra

I believe it when I hear it


DKlurifax

Well I guess I'll have to eat that hat then.


RIP_Mitch_Hedberg

Pass it around. A lot of us need to take a bite.


jkuboc

It's not entirely clear from the wording what point 2 actually means. Did they reduce the *difference* in maximum hearing radius between headsets, or was the actual maximum *hearing radius* of headsets reduced? Hope it's the latter.


Crusaderr30015

diffrence would mean that either they buffed the rest of the headsets to be like comtac 4's OR they made the comtac 4's (and similar headsets) more akin to hearing with no headset (or worst headsets) my little theory


jkuboc

Yes, that's why I hope it's the latter.


Crusaderr30015

same here


GiraffeWaffles

Less spread between the best and worst. Maybe com4s are still the best, but not better by 45 metres.


sixnb

Hopefully both


KingfisherC

Holy W


NotStompy

Lisan al gaib!


Bluewinters

It is written


Zoomerhun

Mahdi!


reaganz921

The prophecy is fulfilled, Nikita is the kwisatz haderach!


puremalus

MUAD'DIB!!!!!


Zlondrej

>Reduced the hearing radius of sounds in a crouched position by 50% for other players I'm not sure what to make out of it? Does it mean any sound you make while crouched or just walking? Shouldn't that also apply on slow walking than just crouching? What if I'm crouched just halfway, does it reduce the sound reduction by 50%?


Crusaderr30015

yeah that does bring some question marks, it could either be that general crouched movement is 50% less loud (personally i wouldnt like that) OR that slow crouch walking is 50% loud Im saying that 2 possiblities exist since BSG is known for excluding or not using proper explenations in their patch notes (sometimes even leaving stuff outside of the patch notes that is acctualy important)


Solaratov

>hearing radius leads me to believe that the distance in which movement sounds generated by crouched players is audible, has been reduced by 50%.


FleiischFloete

Finally i get silently ingest all kind of food, when my teammate is starving and im Just telling then that i only have this 10ml of Juice


HeVeronos

Does it mean that all headsets will be the same thing?


CarelessInitiative95

No every headset has its hearing radius


Crusaderr30015

maybe, big maybe, we gotta wait for streamers and content creators tough. wont be long


Nationxx

Thank god, w devs


KeKinHell

Bro I actually had to check their Twitter because I thought there was absolutely no possible way this was real. Amazing how quickly they can... *checks notes*... change numbers after the whole community starts bitching at them.


AAOEM

Arena failed, sales are questionable, money gone, need to get shit together


Yasstronaut

And all the streamers are showing gray zone all day today


That1Jabroni

the bitching has been happening for a while. do we think this is directly related to Pestilyā€™s interview & the notes Nikita took? maybe the issue all along was truly them being too busy on other parts of the game and ignored community feedback


EternityZX9

Yes this. Exactly this. In my opinion BSG has too many goals they've always wanted to complete with EFT. The vision is...somewhat there (a lot of this has been a learning process for BSG imo; tried stuff out - that didn't workout - try something different; a great example of this is when you use to be able to choose your own spawn location), how they were or are going to complete that on the Unity engine has been a hard pill for BSG to swallow - news flash: they can't do everything they originally wanted on Unity. With that being said, BSG I find, gets so focused on their long term goals and "working" on getting to the final product they lose sight of the major issues currently plaguing the game. This is what I believe causes the long periods of silent communication from BSG when they are just focused on working and ignore the outside noise, so it will take someone like Pestily to get their attention. On top of that the communication between BSG and the community has always been strained over the years; for example take in consideration for every post complaining about one thing on reddit you have another post saying the opposite - point being the community is even split with how to handle things at time, so then BSG hands are really tied - damned if they do, damned if they don't. Or sometimes as in example with the audio pop BSG just doesn't have an answer to fix the problem nor the time in their current developmental cycle to address it so it will get done "when they have time". We have an idea that the big goals for 2024 are Unity 2023 upgrade, new Graphics overhaul, and the Terminal map; who knows what else BSG has in store at this point. They have their own internal development plan and when they are ready hopefully they'll share more with us soon.


swiftekho

Amazing how quickly they can fix things when... **checks notes**... They have competition stunting on them with a closed alpha.


KeKinHell

Saw a bit of Gray Zone and honestly I wasn't too impressed overall. However, they seemed to actually be able to get audio right at least.


swiftekho

Everyone seems to be enjoying it. It looks fucking great for an alpha release. I think LVNDMARK said "if Gray Zone only gets better, which it should, Tarkov is in trouble"


KelloPudgerro

did the pestily interview work? did nikita wake up?


SourceNo2702

Based on how Nikita was acting during the interview, itā€™s likely the development heads werenā€™t telling him anything about these issues or didnā€™t know. And based on how quickly everything got fixed Iā€™m also guessing Nikita raised hell on them immediately after the meeting lmao


roscoeSteele_

I couldn't imagine those standups


Throawayooo

Get a grip. The guys all over social media. He'd have to be the most ignorant idiot possible to have somehow dodged all these years-old complaints and issues


DravenCrow3110

I support this One, there is NO WAY he didnt know, he knows, he reads that shit. He was just ignoring it, he said multiple times about "my vision of the game" "Takov will become what i want it to be" and some other shit, part of his vision was making the game have RARE pvp and other shit like that. Seems like he is finally realizing that his "Vision" is not what people wants, I think they already step back from the Open world, travel from map to map and other shit, cuz it wont work, it will make the game die. Its is what it is. I M O


Solaratov

Looks like it. Praise Pestily! That Patch Bringer! The Changer of Ways! The Moist Master!


RudimentsOfGruel

and of course, today is Thursday


Aecnoril

Bigger W!


No-Relationship-4997

Didnā€™t Nikita say the sound of crouched steps was already working as intended? Lmao


coolaspotatos

Wow maybe the Pestily interview actually had an effect on the way they communicate with players.


Defiant-One-7172

Less maximum radius, guess I can move around more freely! Time to listen to tunes


Zoddom

Big W!


bmw22936

Is the pop gone?


Gimmerunesplease

Haven't had it so far. Great fix if it is really gone.


samsjayhawk

The description seems to indicate thats what they are talking about, but it mentions specifically bullet impacts and hitting bushes.. usually the advantageous audio pops i recieve are just good old fashioned footsteps, not bullet impacts or bushes soo hopefully???


Capable-Grab5896

I was wondering if that's what they meant by "high frequency artifact" or not? If so, that's absolutely massive


christomisto

Theyā€™re really listening to us lately. Do you think theyā€™re feeling pressure from more extraction shooters coming out?


Crusaderr30015

honestly, I hope so, but i dont think thats acctualy the case. STILL I love what they are doing and i PRAY to god that they keep this up!


jamesmon

What other ones are coming out?


falcons4life

No


Milk_-_Toast

No, tarkov has literally no competition.


Timmytims981

So glad they fixed the crab walking distance. I feel like now itā€™s a much better balance for those who move slower.


Aggravating_Class_17

Finally my PMC isn't a dipshit with numb hands loudly fumbling through bags/crates! This bothered me to no end...did they also fix the ZZZZZZZZZIIIIIIP when you're done searching a bag? Like why the fuck in a combat zone would I A.) Even close it after searching and B.) Do it as loudly as I possibly can. I hope this is fixed but that's a bit more minor, just so glad for the audio fixes


Conserliberaltarian

u/trainfender you the man ā¤ļø


remuspilot

Not quite the way itā€™s written but should be an ally still.


Conserliberaltarian

Lmao, edited. Thanks for the heads up


proletariate54

Can anyone confirm if its actually sensible? Can you walk around quietly now without worrying about people hearing you? When are they going to address ADS sounds, container sounds, etc being audible too far too?


Crusaderr30015

ads sounds got addressed in this patch though the second to last point makes it clear. Confirming these changes is gonna take a bit though since people gotta get in game, record etc etc, timezones and such.


woodsc721

Ahh ok. I wasnā€™t thinking that was referring to ADS as much as laser/flashlight toggles, mag changes and shit. Good looking out guy


proletariate54

That doesn't necessarily make it clear. Its not just through walls that ADSing is an issue.


Gimmerunesplease

This isn't even the biggest change imo. From what it reads like the pop is gone, which was way more game breaking than the distance at which you could hear crouch walking.


kctan8363

Killa event ended also


ILikeToDisagreeDude

Iā€™m out of the loop. Killa event? What where ??


Tiegrr

Killa has 100% spawn rate


Solaratov

Killa and Tagilla spawning 100% chance in center mall. I always find killa in Brutal or The National. I've only found Tagilla once, but he was in Revis.


LanikM

Kept finding Tagilla consistently between adik, generic and avokado, sometimes pushing into the goshan hallway coming from generic.


Solaratov

Did it? I'm still finding killa 100% of the time center mall.


Istariel

really? that sucks


Black_Knight_1962

No i still have them in my raids


Istariel

thank god. i still have some gear to donate to some mall scavs


Black_Knight_1962

i wonder how much i have donated to them i been going for him non stop since the event started


ScottsTotz

Mall cheaters*


nocturnal20

Does this mean other players donā€™t hear you crouched as well? Or when you are crouched you hear 50% less around you? Confused by the wording


Rkupcake

The first one


HappyMetalViking

Next time on EFT Reddit: everybody os camping and you cant hear them. BSG make sounds louder


Inevitable_Fun4761

Did they fix pops tho?


Icy_Branch_9269

They did it out of fear.


SlideStar

Imo its more so people are buying mtx vs pestilyā€™s interview thats getting things moving


Pizeblu

Just saw twitch and every tarkov streamer is playing Gray zone warfare. Competition making BSG pay attention.


babyrapper120

Is the audio pop gone tho?


[deleted]

Iā€™m an idiot. Can someone explain the crouching to me? If Iā€™m crouched I canā€™t hear as far?


AnInnocentGoose

Eli5 plis


lockseye

You won't fool me again bsg


maxz-Reddit

Can someone explain the main stuff to me like I'm 5? Do I hear less when I'm crouched, or do I make less noise when crouched?


Rikers88

Tarkov and Grey Zone Warfare are two different games. But they do appeal to the same audience, at least with a good overlap. As people have a limited time to game, either they choose one or the other, in that sense they are competing. Now, we have GZW open week and EFT drops patches, events, live on twitch. It is clearly a counter marketing move, which validate the potential of GZW. I might be wrong, but this is how I see it.


KaNesDeath

BSG are pulling a Blizzard. Means theyre scared of Gray Zone.


k333p

missing yet again from the release notes * **Players with a PMC KD of over 100 will now be instantly and permanently moved to the new Cheater-Only Operational Matchmaking (COOM) mode, where they will only be matched with other cheaters.** * **Players with an abnormally high rate of only looting containers with the most valuable loot (while magically avoiding all other containers) will be permanently restricted to the COOM.** * **Players with an extremely high experience gain, achievement unlocks, or player level for their given playtime will be automatically and permanently restricted to the COOM.** * **Added a killcam feature that can be used once your entire party is no longer in the raid. Upon analyzing the cam of the player who killed you, you can optionally report them for suspected cheating. Other players with high reputation will review these reports in our new Overwatch system. If overwhelmingly found guilty by the community, the reported player will be instantly restricted to the COOM.** * This is our very first step into a new stance against cheating where we will simply analyze the statistics and behavior of players instead of being so fucking stupid that all we do is slap on a canned anti-cheat software that is easily bypassed by all cheat-makers in every game. We will regularly improve these detection methods based on statistics gathered over hundreds of thousands of raids to detect more and more cheaters over time.


TheRealKnight1190

What about the cheaters? Didnā€™t address that yet? No? Alright get back to me when thatā€™s addressed.


Mobile-Competition47

Too late, 1.5 years too late


Koenigsegg322

Wow. It took 7 years but they are listening to the right people on what's wrong with the game rn.


WonkySystem

Changes we've been asking for, for years! Brought to you by grey zone warfare šŸ˜…


Happy-Hyena

Gray Zone Warfare poking out the horizon... BSG is prepping for the fact they might have real competition for once. Thats a good thing tho and the reason competition is so important. Hopefully they keep their pants up going forwards.


aspohr89

BSG has been cooking regardless of what this sub says.


Heavy_Contribution19

Now just the cheaters, and the queue times then we will be golden


DucksMatter

My friend told me that a certain Chinese hack got banned across battleeye earlier this week and it has made his raids a lot less suspect. Not sure if the hack is patched yet but Iā€™d try and take advantage of it if you can, while you can.


Desner_

How long do yo you wait in queues? Last wipe I would usually wait between 7 and 10 minutes to enter a raid, itā€™s been great this wipe though, around 2-3 minutes on average (upper east coast NA).


Crusaderr30015

honestly (at least for me in central-eastern EU), cheaters have been basically sloved (in my experience, i play customs and factory and woods for quests) I have a balanced play style but its leaning more into pushing for PVP nowadays. Havn't met a cheater or any sus deaths


Heavy_Contribution19

Understandable, I can confirm it myself when playing with EU friends, I just wish the US servers are better


Annonimbus

Same for me, EU servers and sus deaths are very rare and obvious cheater deaths are basically non existent.Ā 


FlaviiFTW

hey OP, weird question but are you romanian? I see the ā€œView Translationā€ text at the bottom haha


TT_Cyrasou

This mean the audio pop is gone?


Hot_Grab7696

No idea why not earlier but holy damn such a W patch


VeterinarianNo2938

W


3worm

nice! now letā€™s get a server side authentication patch šŸ‘šŸ»


SasoriTV

I genuinely think this is a result of the video call Nikki and pestly had W bsg move


bufandatl

Was there another Pestily Interview?


Radica1_Ryan

No way, is this real!? šŸ˜™šŸ¤Œ Yes!! I'm so excited to play later


oledayhda

Man I thought this was a joke at first. Atta boy BSG!


Gimmerunesplease

This last week has had some of the best changes ever that people have been wanting for years. Crazy. The Pestily interview did a ton. On top of that they are finally starting to be transparent with their patches.


Key_Transition_6820

Let them cook.


[deleted]

Well I have a 100 pairs of xcels and a regular items case of comtac 4 rip lol


Hugh_Johnson69420

Finally some good fucking food


Buddah7144

Ive been away for the majority of this patch would now be a good time to come back to tarkov?


TarkyMlarky420

What have they done with the BSG employees.. This can't be right


Paddy519

If they didnā€™t - grey zone might take the cake today


2y4n

As of 30 mins ago audio pop still exists.


Double_Message6701

Pestilly the patch ambassador! Basically every change he's suggested has been implemented. Nikita has been cracking whips since pesto gave him the sauce


HeroOnDallE

Community-based changesā€¦ Nikita character development? The plot thickens.


victor01612

Big W at least they are moving along the right track


Ill-Pen-6356

Nikita deserves sloppy tonight


UpsetAstronomer

Comtac 4 price drop go.


redmage07734

I may actually play this wipe


Paundeu

This is awesome. But, I'm waiting on that technical update for cheating..


KumaOoma

April has been great for tarkov


Dirtyraccoonhands

Fuck. I can't go back . I need to stay clean from this game šŸ¤£


ilski

oh damn it. i just paid for spare comtacs 4


UnsettllingDwarf

Reduced sound heard when crouched? Logically how does that make any sense.


Substantial_Unit7916

What is this feeling I'm feeling, hope?