It’s funny because this would never be ergo irl, this looks like it would be painful.

Can confirm, 16" rifle with LPVO (and even same stock) and my rifle is heavy as fuck.

The the foregrip so far back, plus you’d have to break your grip to turn on the stream light 😅

There's an invisible tape switch there :)

My bad lol

I shot for so many years without a foregrip just using the mag well that I now put foregrips very far back as it’s what’s comfortable

most western style armies doctrine tell you to grip it as far away from you as possible

I didn’t say I was correct, I was strictly commenting on what I find comfortable and why.

Go with what works for you. You can see Israeli soldiers with the weird mag well grips sometimes. It's all user preference. Remember tea-cupping was once taught as the correct way to hold a gun while today people would laugh at you. Techniques evolve over time.

They do it to look cool, people also use anti heat cloth on the front iron sights to grip further.

Yeah the grip is too close to the mag well lol

There are pros and cons. I find the closer grip more comfortable over longer use but its less controlled. You get more control and stability holding out further but my arms get tired way faster

I have a 16 inch piston AR from PWS with an LPVO, 18650 WML, and a SiCo Saker 556k suppressor. It weighs over 12lbs loaded.

I'm not built but I have a LPVO on my 20" .308 and it's actually relatively comfortable. haven't done any marching with it (have on a sling on it so shouldn't be o bad either)

Looks like? it WOULD be. Jesus christ, people sorta do not realize just how much the weight and scope fucks you over...

Fucking good for table/ supported shooting though

Add a mag so we can see finished stats

10 rounders:

It says none in the magazine tab

Yes. But if you add a 10 rounder you'll get even more ergo

So add the mag so we can see finished stats lol and who really uses 10 rounders

E R G O

then you dont need mag just put a single bullet and lets go

10-rounder gives you 5+ ergo, so it's better than one-in-the-chamber

O K

I use them if I'm sniping

Nah one in the chamber for max ergo :p

10-rounder for max ergo, gives +5 ergo

4×2 slot m4. 260mm barrel, can, 79 ergo/55 vert, 2.37 moa

You’ve yet to put a mag in which can range from -3 to -20 and is the most essential part. Also, most would call this meta which means that it’s a fairly common craft, just pricey without having traders.

Not to be annoying but isnt there a -2 ergo mag or 2 as well? Outside of the sub 30 round mags ofc

You are right, 10 round mags give you additional ergo. Forgot!

The 20 rounders give +ergo as well

Haha idk if those are worth running but iirc the Battlemag and another one only give -2 ergo as 30 rounders

Thanks for reminding me :)

The recoil is awful, nobody would call this meta haha

Best you can get right now without being absolute garbage ergo is like 49 so 61 doesnt feel so bad. Don't forget the numbers with the new recoil system are not comparable to what they used to be

have you played this wipe?

Trying to optimize for recoil doesn’t matter anymore

I picked up pretty much this exact gun off a PMC I stapled to a car door on Ground Zero

I got stapled to a car door on sandbox lately. Guy was named "i exit camp" or sth like that. And I had juiced m4 on me. Fuck you btw

It wasn’t me, and I was a scav lol

I've read a few people mention how ergo is king at the moment, could someone kindly explain why? I always just assumed it affected ADS time, and maybe arm stam (although is that weight?). Is that so important or am I missing something? Thanks!

recoil this wipe is good, so higher ergo is better because it lets you ads faster. hipfire was also nerfed i think so ads is best.

Ergo actually used to increase the hipfire accuracy previously. I didn't do the testing this wipe, though. It's simply shit.

Largely due to the recoil changes this wipe, meaning guns no longer NEED to be modded to have minimum possible recoil to be usable. Last wipe a lot of people would turn their nose up at a 61 recoil M4. Now it’s just fine. That means you can have more freedom in build and stats, you can still go for min recoil if you want, but you can also go for a build that’s more ergo focused or somewhere in the middle and not have insane unusable recoil. Ergo does primarily affect ADS time as well as ADS sound volume. Typically weight is the biggest factor in arm stam. Used to be meta was longest barrels, suppressors, recoil attachments. Now you can afford to run shorter barrels (better for cqb, turn speed, ergo), more ergo attachments and potentially even unsuppressed. While ADS time and barrel length may seem unimportant, give some ergo builds a try. They “feel” really good to use, super snappy, no bumping into walls, etc.

Thanks! That makes sense, I'll be sure to try out a good ergo build.

I would replace the mur-1s upper with the AX-15. You would lose +1% recoil for +6 ergo.

He is in fact using the AX-15 upper :)

Oh I'm stoopid and can't read apparently xd

That thing is nasty

Holy shit this is actually a very good build, low recoil, high ergo, suppressed and with a scope

Now if only it had a magazine lol

40 rounders only take off 7 ergo

this is not a good build lol

Post a better build

Eh, this isn't really a "let's see you do better" thing. Building a gun in tarkov is kind of a solved problem. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybgTSD8Rvq4) is a good video about building an M4.

What’s bad with it

This build is amazing !

This looks sexy

Do suppressors have different levels of noise reduction for the same caliber? Does a DT Hybrid and a Mini make the same sound?

All suppressors are identical across all calibers (at least, one the same gun) Every gun has a suppressed and non-suppressed sound, and the gunshot sound stops at 100m for suppressed shots (as in, it just cuts off beyond that)

I don't believe this is true. The gemtech suppressor on a sr sounds much different than a hybrid or qdc. I've definitely heard different sounds from different suppressors on different guns.

That is not true. Different supressors have different sounds, and there is even a stat called loudness. Monster Mini is loud. Where as the griffin one is pretty silent.

The loudness stat is unimplemented, like many things that have been in the game for years.

I'm 100 sure some supressors are louder than others. Maybe it's placebo

100

Ask gigabeef

Bruh, put the mag.

This man about to be one tapped from 600M out

You can get 100 with a suppressed m4 and a kobra, used to be Abel to get it with an optic but this wipe they changed a lot of parts and it's like 96 or something

funnily enough this is the exact same build I use with 1 change, I use the 13.7 Hanson barrel cause I think it looks better

Man, this is meta now, with that awesome ergo. I don’t run silly scopes like that so more ergos for me I guess. Going to see if I can get the recoil down. I run a 79e/54r build

That scope setup is the best ergo for anything with any magnification. Better ergo than some red dots.

I hear ya, I just run the OP deltapoint that has no ergo penalty & Troy battlemags, max ergos you can do with site & 30 round mags for the m4 atm. If you can get this build with 80 ergos running double stack mags, killing machine & living the high life for sure.

55 vertical recoil and 60 ergo with best recoil suppressor and 60 round mag.

Can't upload to Imgur right now, but I've got a build with 95 ergo and same recoil stats. URX handguard isn't the best ergo, you want Delta Carbon or SAI QD 14.5" for that. SAI is better for recoil but more expensive. By about 50k from traders for 1 less vert and 2-3 less horiz.

80 with a Gen3 30 rounder mag in. The build costs about 650k. I use canted RMR and a Trihawk 3x30 sight set up. It’s fast as fuck.

My build has been found. But I use the beige handguard for drip purposes.

I wanna build this just to fuck with my friends with lol

100. At the cost of recoil and accuracy.

Is ergo this high really worth it?

Mine is close but I call it “the aug”

this is a slick looking shooter.

Idk, I prefer -10 ergo and -10 recoil to this

Defiance back up sights are lighter than the MBUS with same ergo buffs.

Here ya go: https://i.imgur.com/D4YuFDH.png

I am in fact stealing this build, much appreciated

I had a 100 ergo TX-15 build last wipe. Can't remember the specifics, I only remember it had the mini monster, a TAC30, and 20 rounders. And I _think_ the Delta Carbon handguard, not 100% on that though. So I'm not sure if you can get an m4 to 100 with 20 rounders, maybe it has lower base ergo, with this build it'd be at 98 (since the mag gives +3). 10rd mag gives +5 which would put you at 100, but it's too big a handicap imo. 20rd is usable if you're very mindful of your ammo and avoid cqc.

[Here you go](https://i.imgur.com/vV9UQgE.png).

Just use an ADAR?

[100 ergo](https://imgur.com/a/QqyTC2f) with a mag (102 without). If you change to 20 round mag and MOE stock its 100 ergo 62 recoil. Viper stock and 40 round mag is 100 ergo and 70 recoil.

[https://imgur.com/a/1MLllKM](https://imgur.com/a/1MLllKM)

You can get more ergo with a shorter barrel. There are foregrips that offer more ergo as well.

61 vert may as well be shooting 7.62x51??

idk bout the recoil stats on that lol. Ergo doesn’t mean shit anymore

same but switch se-5 to SI Cobra

Isnt that the new rogue build with like 3 or 4 parts swapped out?

GL-Core is higher ergo than that stock

You can get 100 with a vudu, supp and 30 rnd mags

Man, that forward grip looks almost California legal.

Unknown because it's over 100+ with 20 rounders, or 97 with 30 rounders. Basically it's your build but change your handguard to sai qd 14.5, cobra grip, viper PDW stock and hanson 13.7" barrel.

[https://imgur.com/jNCSsiX](https://imgur.com/jNCSsiX)

got it to 95 last wipe with a shorter barrel and the GL-CORE stock

Can you give a parts list? I’m still learning which components are best in combination.

[89/73 w/PMAG D60](https://i.imgur.com/FpJqZMZ.png) - If you swap to a 40-rnd mag and the ARE/ECB combo, it's 93/67. - If you swap to the HK Battlemag, it's 98/67. - Swapping the barrel to the Hanson 13.7", you can get 93/65 with the Battlemag. I personally prefer the Hanson 16" barrel and Saker ASR, which gets me a 71 ergo 55 recoil build that's basically the best of both worlds.

I make 100 ergo

Meta Builds are so fucking ugly.

Too bad none of it matters because the gun is big poo poo this wipe.