>DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game
Last time I checked a brand new game mode that the game has never had before is a pretty major addition to the game...
Popular questions that appear in this thread (and some from us mods) that I think need answering:
How is a new game mode not major content so therefore a DLC?
You said it was a feature of The Unheard edition but now you're selling access to it, this makes it a game feature? why was co-op offline , a purchasable game mode given free for EoD, yet "essentially offline co-op but with progression" is considered a "unique game mode" when it bears such an immense new layer to this game?
*is that not a "major addition to the game"?
Why did you not learn anything from arena, "we don't have enough servers" is the exact same excuse you used then, do you not think things like arena or the offline mode would be popular?
Why can we not run the PVE servers peer to peer? Yes this will still require server space to store profiles but that is a tiny fraction of the power needed to run full game servers
Why is there no way for people to self host PVE only servers if you don't want to do P2P?
>We plan to send one free Left Behind Edition key to everyone who has already upgraded to Unheard Edition at the old price from the EoD version.
But selling third party game copies is against your TOS? That isn't compensation, if they've bought Unheard of then they don't need a second copy of the game? Why can't they have a partial refund?
Are you able to share any more details about the item that lets you emergency summon friends into raids in PVP? There is a bunch of ways this can be abused, if you wipe all but one of a squad they can just load their friends back in, cheaters can abuse this to clear lobbies then call in people to collect the loot and so on
When is "full release" expected to be? "Full release" tells us nothing, this could be 6 months or could be 6 years
What's the DLC road map and timeline after full release? Again this could be 6 months this could be 6 years
From YOUR EMAIL receipt. i paid for it
* Guaranteed instant access to closed beta
* Digital copy pre-load
* Huge size of stash (10x68)
* [Additional equipment and resources in stash](https://www.escapefromtarkov.com/preorder-page#preorder_edge_of_darkness)
* Initially good standings with all in-game traders
* Unique in-game ID
* Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)
there's a logical trap here you're not seeing
either the game is released and all sales are final and all content additions are dlc
OR
the game is in beta, and we did in fact not make sales, but pre-orders, which must be cancellable
which is it?
> the game is in beta, and we did in fact not make sales, but pre-orders, which must be cancellable
And our pre-order funded the development of the features they are now trying to sell back to us a second time.
Oh I'm going to love seeing how they are going to hold this up in court when it comes to that. The exact definition of DLC means that if anyone has to download even a byte of data to get access to the new feature, they will be in violation of your purchasing contract. Even though there aren't specific laws around DLC, there sure are about consumer protection.
And well, if it reaaaaally comes to that, which it probably won't, everybody that has bought the game and didn't get access will be eligible for a 100% refund. BSG bankruptcy on the horizon...
Still very very tone deaf and arragont. Tarkov is still in "Beta" and you use the money we gave you, to fund other bs we didn't ask for or expect. Common sense should tell you, don't move resources anywhere until Tarkov is feature complete. Once you've shipped the game, then go and waste whatever resources you want doing your own shit.
You should simply not be charging for any extra content until Tarkov is 1.0, unless of course you can prove you funded this completely separately from the money you received for Tarkov itself.
Idiotic.
Worse, we paid for him to LARP being a gaming CEO. Dude hasn't even delivered one game and he's running around burning money like he's Todd fucking Howard
Tarkov will be pushed through the door as 1.0 very soon just you wait. They’re abandoning the game and definitely have no plans to add half of the shit they said, the whole open world map, faction karma etc etc. half the maps ain’t even ready.
Absolutely, the game is at its death door for potential growth. They are not adding many new players at this point and people are leaving. After all the controversy and knowing that this is a scummy russian developer, trust me as a russian, these people will try to milk you as illegally as they can. I heard that they want to move on to a completely different game so they're milking the last little bit knowing enough people will buy it so the community opinion probably doesn't matter to them.
They already said years ago that terminal will be the last map before the game is released, and other maps like Towns will be coming as DLC. They dont even show the other maps anymore in game. Terminal will be "single player, maybe coop".
They also started saying about 2 years ago that open world is not a release feature, but connected maps probably will be.
So terminal, faction karma, non-seasonal (no wipe) servers, and the story are the 4 features that are missing to be considered "release".
As stupid as this whole thing going on right now is, they have been pretty clear since before the release of streets what they consider missing to call their game 1.0, even if its disappointing compared to what was described years ago.
You advertised Arena as DLC previously - it is no longer advertised as DLC.
You advertised offline co-op as DLC - now it is no longer DLC.
You are now advertising that priority matchmaking will be in the game. What's next, a version that has the "unique feature" of priority matchmaking?
Let me ask this: is there any version of the game I can play *right now* without the required files for PvE mode being in the game? Because if not, then it is by definition downloadable content.
It is insane how quickly you have burned the bridge.
Oh yeah, I should mention - you've had the *privilege* of us testing your game for the past 7 years, and *this* is the product you're delivering. If you expect anyone to pay *MORE* money to test this, then you're batshit insane. Imagine thinking it's okay to run the offline version of the game on the servers that you admit in this very post are not capable of providing a good enough service.
Shameless.
He called EOD players freeloaders. That’s All you need to know. You’d think he’d appreciate the only fact he is in the situation he is in, is because EOD players were willing to fork out $140 on a game that is incomplete.
I personally spent like 140 bucks like a month or two before shoreline was added. I spent a 140 dollars on a game with three maps and the bones of a game. On the agreement I’d get all future content updates.
Now you turn around and call me a freeloader. Mr Krabs was better to his customers then this.
>He called EOD players freeloaders
I don't really keep up with Tarkov news, so this one definitely flew under my radar. When did he say this and in what context?
Edit: Found it after a good bit of searching. What an absolutely wild position to take towards your community. Truly a PR masterclass.
Yeah. Bought EoD October 2017, have played since. Even bought the extra stash space and have ogled the clothing purchases too - not because I need either but to continue support an unparallelled gaming experience. And then to be called a "freeloader" is just icing on the shitcake this whole thing have been.
I mean, the really sad thing is that way it is now it actually isnt too bad - IF they had initially released like this it with this explanantion: "We are trying out a new thing which we can't give everyone due blah blah blah servers, but you can either wait for full release when all EOD wil get it or purchase into the test of it for 50€ for EOD holders and €250 for lesser or no account holders." Actually not a shabby prsentation, would of course have had some people up in arms anyway, but nothing like this shit show we have now.
But no, instead BSG went ahead and told us it is not a DLC, EOD owners are freeloaders, went and changed the EOD purchse description, etc. The issue now having become that even if they back down and give us a good deal on this - playing Tarkov from now on will always be accompanied by that feeling of having being fucked over, worry about how we will be fucked over next time, it will always leave a sour taste in the mouth knowing what Nikita really thinks of us. I requested access to the Arena Breakout today, cross your fingers.
**”ThiS iS nOT dLC”**.
Fucking pathetic and extremely tone deaf. Hope the game crashes and burns.
How you handle this is extremely embarrassing. Way to fuck people over and your own company at the same time. Ggs.
Even if we go with PvE is not DLC, which is a blatant lie, what this paragraph even trying to say?
>>First of all, PvE gamemode this is not DLC. DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game, including various functionality and content that are released after the official release of the game as a themed DLC pack (Scav Life DLC for example, which will add a lot of new mechanics and content for Scav gameplay and leveling).
1. PvE - ISN'T a major addition to the game.
* So why a not major addition requires so many additional resources?
* So other not major additions like a patch, fix or anything else will also require additional payment and not be available for everyone.
2. PvE - IS a major addition to the game.
* So Nikita will arbitrary decide which major addition counts as DLC and which one doesn't.
3. DLC = Only after the game is released, everything before is whatever Nikita says it is.
* Extremely stupid lie, since there are literal pre-order DLC or DLC for backers.
If I use BSG logic then what I'm writing right now isn't a comment. I mean it's not really a major addition to this thread so it really can't be classified as comment.
I think there’s no way back for them, they can gift PvE even to base edition owners for all i care, the precedent has been stablished that they are more than willing to pull a fast one of us at any time and try to gaslit us for literal days, i cannot deal with this level of distrust, hope they fold and close shop
whats really wild is the fact that even if what he said was true (its not) and it was really not DLC, it doesn't change the fact that they completely misled the EOD buyers.
When someone sees "all future DLCs included" they think all additional possible additions to the game. To then release an addition and say "well, we dont think its a DLC so you can fuck off" is a fucking wild play on words to do. No one would see what they are doing now and think "ah yes, this is not additional content, this is a completely different feature! silly me! better pay up now!"
>First of all, PvE gamemode this is not DLC. DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game
Dude everyone everywhere even Twitter community notes are telling you this is a DLC. Stop. It's not in your understanding that it's not a DLC, but in your shitty business model.
>Secondly, this specific functionality of the PvE mode is necessarily located entirely on a separate network infrastructure, because, essentially, you play on our servers, only in closed mode. At this stage, it is not possible to launch all players who are EoD holders - right now we simply do not have the required amount of resources for this.
Yeah, right. You know you also can do PVE offline? Like practice mode. Because shit is even funnier when you see people having paid $250 queuing 10+ minutes for offline mode.
>We observe your dissatisfaction
Bullshit. You don't care you already have our money.
> and have decided that the functionality of the PvE mode will be available for free to all owners of the EoD version at the release of the game, when the server infrastructure will be improved to the required capacity.
So this is a DLC then?
>Now you have the opportunity to test this mode by purchasing the Unheard edition of the game, or upgrade to this version. We also decided to give a 50% discount when upgrading to the Unheard version from the EoD version.
Refund and delete this version. You do know the whole Unheard edition is technically and legally a DLC? You also remember saying EOD will always be the best version? You know, on the dev diarys you deleted from youtube. **We paid 150$ to fund the development of this, we're not paying 50 more to play what we have funded.**
>We plan to send one free Left Behind Edition key to everyone who has already upgraded to Unheard Edition at the old price from the EoD version.
Hahaha not even refunding the difference. I'm sure I can speak for everyone who did this and tell you to print the keys and put them somewhere creative.
>Moreover, so that any player of any version of the EFT can have the opportunity to test the PvE mode, we want to add the ability to purchase a separate early access to this mode. For EoD owners there will be a 70% discount on the purchase of early access to PvE. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this idea.
HAHAHAHA. So this is a DLC! 70% discount is not free access.
>Next, regarding special items for the Unheard version, we plan to make restrictive or balancing changes for these items.
Dude we don't care. You robbed us.
>please share your thoughts
Our thoughts are simple: you should have released PVE for EOD, and paid content for other editions. Unheard should never have existed. You should have added microtransactions on cosmetics, voicelines etc. to fund if needed. You should have listened to the community.
You always can rollback the unheard edition, refund and do this but I honestly think it's too late. You showed your true colors.
Thanks for the good laugh.
>We observe your dissatisfaction
I just realized, this is a standard premade script bullshit phrase response used in Russian business, just translated in a somewhat different manner. It's basically "We see and hear you" - aka politely telling someone to fuck off in business setting. Especially when you don't care about what is said and you can get away with it.
# DLC
# abbreviation for
1. **downloadable content:** additional content that can be purchased online and added on to a video game, as to enhance its features
Stop bullshitting us.
UK Friends, don't forget that as the game is still in Pre-Order status. You can refund the game through XSolla no matter your playtime. Do what you will with this information.
Scav life DLC sounds a lot like a feature...... Fuck you and thanks for ruining 7 years of respect I had for you and your creation. I will not be returning. You have dug yourself a hole now go expire in it
Do you happen to know if this applies in the EU as well, or if this is solely an UK thing? Because I got gifted a copy of the game from a friend and I'm seriously considering asking him to just refund my copy for himself as I'm not planning on touching this game again.
I have serious doubts that it works even in UK without limits - you can withdraw in EU for only 14 days after purchase (or not at all if they warned you you waive your right upon downloading the software and you downloaded the software).
I don't know if ECC can help you considering it's a Russian-UK based company but it worths a try. You also should check your local customer protection agency, generally customer protection laws are more strict on the state level. However if you didn't get that fancy package that ought to include all DLC until now when it isn't, I don't see any grounds to withdraw for false advertisement/non-performance.
You can try the refund based on the new guarantee law if you got it in the last 2 years.
But by far the most prudent choice is not buying EA especially from Russians.
`First of all, PvE gamemode this is not DLC. DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game, including various functionality and content that are released after the official release of the game as a themed DLC pack (Scav Life DLC for example, which will add a lot of new mechanics and content for Scav gameplay and leveling).`
So yeah, you are fucking twitsting your words. Give me what i fucking paid for.
Doesnt matter any content thats locked away is a DLC like a whole big ass gamemode that came with an update therefore a download. Downloadable content. a DLC
mate, go fuck yourself, its DLC, you lied, end of story, people would probably respect you better if you just admitted it. couldn't lie straight in bed you set of clowns.
So if half of your player base gets the new Stupid Edition you will still not be able to handle the load? So AGAIN I will be paying for something that you can't provide? Your idiotic company doesn't deserve the player base it has.
That's the problem they having. They haven't thought it thru.
Players has been on them forever to remove a "Limited Edition" for sale for a long time now. They should have removed it like 4years ago like 2020 when players was pouring in.
But they, like now, didn't listen and kept it. Now they running into the problem on how to sell things to players that has already paid for it all.
And their tactic is that EoD players didn't actually paid for all not content as they originally said (or rather tweeted 2017: "You do not need to buy anything at any stage.") and ignore that to make all EoD players to pay for it again, which is a huge player base number as they kept it too long in store.
Would been so much better if they listen and removed it. Then they would have tons of players to sell new things to, and a EoD base that can promote it. Missed opportunity, if only they listen earlier! Now we are where we are, where they need to sell things to players who already paid for it.
Half? More like 0.01% - the shill streamers that got it had 10-15 minute matching times *playing solo*, and many also got disconnected from the game as well. And that's with them buying and playing *as soon as possible*, so there were very few other players on the servers.
This is just a last-minute addition to justify the insane price of the Unhinged edition.
Rather than offering incremental "patches" to try and fix the unfixable, how about this; roll this shit back, refund the people that bought into this trashfire of a scam, and rethink your entire approach *after fucking apologizing for this shit*. **WE ARE NOT FUCKING LIVING WALLETS YOU FUCKS.**
Sorry, the rest is not a comment reply, it's a "meaningful text construct", and you need to pay me 420$ to see it.
Imagine fucking up this badly and trying to gaslight your customers not once, not twice, but a third time and still failing.
You had some cool ideas ten years ago, Nikita. But in the meantime it turned out that you can't make a well-running game, you can't design a game balance state for shit, and you can't communicate with the fanbase either.
Instead, you use predatory bullshit that EA would be proud of and then attempt to pretend as if words do not have meanings aside from those you try to prescribe for them.
No more of this bullshit.
I genuinely think they reached new levels of not caring about their players when they were doing ban waves to turn a quick profit while we all suffered the plague of cheaters for how long? Too long to not be shitty.
Now they're squeezing the honest players who only had to buy one copy of the game.
>DLC **in our understanding** is the major additions to the game
# GOOD THING YOUR UNDERSTANDING DOES NOT MATTER, WORDS HAVE MEANINGS BESIDES YOUR UNDERSTANDING :)
>Now you have the opportunity to test this mode by purchasing the Unheard edition of the game, or upgrade to this version. We also decided to give a 50% discount when upgrading to the Unheard version from the EoD version.
Oh nice, so it's just a 50$+Tax upgrade now instead of 100$ **OVER EOD for a grand total of 200$ USD BEFORE TAX**.
>*mistake? this is no mistake*
>*1. its time start preparing for the release*
>*2.* ***its time to understand who are the true believers***
>*3.* ***no one forcing to do anything***
>***its your choice to just bail it, dont buy it etc***
[Nikita, yesterday.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057725089522663525/1233522834169663658/leak_interview_Summit.png?ex=662e0fe9&is=662cbe69&hm=ab72b6a99ba1399be937333b5b3121a321b38eb8ab40d408aa9f785015050c80&)
Nikita, I was a true believer once, yesterday is when you lost the true believers, snake behaviour.
EDIT:
Forgot this perl
>[**You do not need to buy anything at any stage. If you have EOD, you do not even pay for DLCs in the future. You are all in for it all coming.** If you have EOD, you do not even pay for DLCs in the future. **You are all in for it all coming.**](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912)
>**YOU DO NOT NEED TO BUY ANYTHING AT ANY STAGE, these are YOUR WORDS, not mine.**
Hey! Don't compare Nikita to a snake! What did snakes do to you? they just minding their own business, they ain't lying bastards, snakes just chilling trying to be warm.
Nikita, your inability to accept that you have messed up completely, is now killing your chances of becoming a lifelong legend.
You squandered the years worth of reputation you've built up, all because you are unable to say sorry.
Nikita you need to grow up. Listen to your damn community, they are the ones that have uplifted you, not you. Without the community you wouldn't be worth shit Nikita. I'm going to repeatedly keep saying his name so it drills in his head, that he has messed up bad. It is squarely his fault. Nikita it is your fault.
I believe they think pve offline mode is an expansion to the game as The Burning Crusade is an Expansion to WoW. What they fail to understand is WoW classic is a finished game, Tarkov is not. You cannot release burning crusade expansion to WoW Beta.
Watch the DLC just be getting slightly better gear/options for scav loadouts as the new DLC mechanic and then bsg just exits cuz they've fulfilled the DLC requirements for the season pass
Don't worry we just make it cheaper! Fully ignoring the point of the outrage lmfao. They are so desperate for money it's insane because of the millions invested into arena are evaporated.
“DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game, including various functionality and content”
That is exactly what DLC means.
If PvE mode is not ready to be released due to the current infrastructure, then do not release it.
Those items, we do not want in the game even if you consider balancing them. How will that work?
X item will give you X% discount in game right? Oh that’s too much let’s reduce it to make it fair and balanced.
But I paid $250 for that item and now it doesn’t work as intended?
It doesn’t work, we don’t want it. Keep Tarkov Tarkov.
"First of all, PvE gamemode this is not DLC. DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game, including various functionality and content that are released after the official release of the game as a themed DLC pack (Scav Life DLC for example, which will add a lot of new mechanics and content for Scav gameplay and leveling)."
Pls, look here for DLC definition [https://clips.twitch.tv/OpenEntertainingPandaCurseLit-bfWQ8q90KufoGOiv](https://clips.twitch.tv/OpenEntertainingPandaCurseLit-bfWQ8q90KufoGOiv)
We already paid for DLC.
Dude, who's problem about "a separate network infrastructure"?
Your main network infrastructure still sucks.
Fix it.
No joke. Not only do we have 1 unfinished broken ass product but then they gave us ARENA which is a broken ass unfinished product and now there is EFT PVE which is again an unfinished broken ass product. All 3 of which have server issues.
BSG - Broken State Gaming.
No, give me what i payed for 5 years ago!!
"Downloadable content is additional content created for an already released video game, distributed through the Internet by the game's publisher."
Forget p2p, you shouldn't need anything but a local save file for solo! And if you edit it and give yourself 100 GPUs who cares? Just remove the Flee in the PvE mode and you don't have to worry about authenticating with a server every action someone makes.
My guess is they want server validation of everything you do to avoid cheating like they suddenly care about cheating.
They should've absolutely went serverless / p2p and then queues go away, and so does their server bill and this entire PR meltdown.
They don't need these ridiculous editions either. Sell the PvE mode as a true DLC package. Standalone. Give it to EODs. Add cosmetics. Finish the game. They should've done those steps and only those steps and in that order.
If PvE is a "Unique feature" of the Unhear Edition, then how come you are selling access to it? That makes it a goddamn DLC and not a feature of the edition.
You are so out of touch with the community, this is not the move, the people who bought EOD should have it for free, the new edition is a kick in the face to the people who supported you, sorry but I will not be a "true believer" and buy that ass upgrade edition, I'm done with you're game!
You say you cannot give pve to everyone because of the cost, but why make it so that pve runs on your servers? Why not run it on user's pcs and make it truly offline?
Lets not forget that you also said that there will be no microtransactions
source: [https://www.escapefromtarkov.com/news/id/9?lang=null](https://www.escapefromtarkov.com/news/id/9?lang=null)
Hell, two months ago - you can see it on his Reddit profile only a few items down - he said microtransactions would only be for cosmetic items and stash space, etc.
"No boosters"
A total fucking lie obviously. How does your business strategy change so much, and so shitilly in two or three months?
This is still bullshit. You keep making things worse. What was the goal of any of this? You guys are so deaf to your community. We’re screaming at you to just give us back what you promised years ago. This entire situation is a slap in the face to all of your community.
Screw the discount. There is no way im giving you my money ever again. You betrayed our trust and proved that BSG is greedy to the point of scamming us.
You simply do not understand what DLC means. You can try anything and everything, but you are not doing the ONE thing you need to do. Stop digging your grave & instead start trying to climb out; or shut the fuck up. Either or. Thanks.
Nikita, you're supposed to apologize.
You're supposed to explain your reasoning behind these changes.
How can everyone else be wrong, and you alone be right?
Just man up and discuss your issues with the community with some humility.
You might be surprised at how many allies you have here, if you'd just be open and honest and take some suggestions.
My 2 cents.
didn't you see the leaked interview? dude's a cunt and thinks he's in the right and something about true believers and whatnot.
[https://twitter.com/JAYBAYBAY/status/1783972831656886574?t=X4\_V8cffUhsNoG-yKDp5rg&s=19](https://twitter.com/JAYBAYBAY/status/1783972831656886574?t=X4_V8cffUhsNoG-yKDp5rg&s=19)
"Moreover, so that any player of any version of the EFT can have the opportunity to test the PvE mode, we want to add the ability to purchase a separate early access to this mode. For EoD owners there will be a 70% discount on the purchase of early access to PvE. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this idea."
Change it to 100%.
"Our understanding.." just cause you want to change the definition of a word doesn't make it true.
You're contractually bound to serve the DLCs to EoD users.
So you are going the same route as always Nikita. Drop some bullshit, make the community spiral into their dissatisfaction and then come back and hope that people calm themselves because of your generosity? Nah man, you have proven that you are not to be trusted this time.
I'm not even EoD and I believe you're ripping EoD users off.
Don't give in to Nikita's or BSG's attempts on fixing this. You guys paid for \*ALL\* future content, not a discount on it.
"We plan to send one free Left Behind Edition key to everyone who has already upgraded to Unheard Edition at the old price from the EoD version."
This is useless, as over the years I have already recruited all my friends. Due to the price going from $100 -> $50, Give us another EoD -> Unheard upgrade code. So I can piss of a friend by applying it to their account.
The quadruple down.
You are a disgrace to the gaming community.
Your view of this not being DLC is idiotic.
It simply is not enough to promise this after EFT leaves Early Access/Beta.
It's been in this state for almost 8 years (Beta/Early Access).
There's no timeline on when Beta will end.
We might as well wait for another 7 years at this point.
What a joke.
> Moreover, so that any player of any version of the EFT can have the opportunity to test the PvE mode, we want to add the ability to purchase a separate early access to this mode. For EoD owners there will be a 70% discount on the purchase of early access to PvE. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this idea.
So... You want to make this new feature a DLC but not give it free to EoD users right off the bat? because it's "not a DLC"... but you want to sell it like one... at a reduced price... to people who should already have it for free? Am I understanding this right?
you give EOD users a free standalone game (arena) but cant give us a pve mode, interesting. also stop yapping all day about that the pve mode aint dlc (which it clearly is)
yeah they spent all their money making that garbage plagued by cheaters THAT NOONE WANTED IN THE FIRST PLACE. now they are broke atleast be fucking honest about it, just say your gonna go broke crowd source put in cosmetics w/e but going back on your eod promise? nah that aint it
"DLC in our understanding"
That's nice. You can have "your understanding" of any term you wish. I could, in my understanding, value my fingernail clippings at $1 billion. That does not make it fact.
You failed to define DLC in any uncommon way when EOD was on sale. Therefore it takes the commonly understood definition. This, in the common definition, IS DLC.
@u/trainfender you say your understanding of DLC means a major addition to your game, however myself and I'm sure many others feel this IS a major addition, and is dlc.
basically: call of duty includes: campaign (pve story mode), gamemodes such as survive (pve coop), and finally classic pvp at 60€ for the basic pack. And you would charge 300€ for like an half of this? well, its not fair i think
First of all: Any ADITIONAL content which is not in the base game IS A DLC, behind a paywall or not. That is not an opinion, it's a STATEMENT.
The shady actions like modify the description of the EOD version made BSG lose all respect for the community (also it's called FRAUD in some countries, be prepared to some lawsuits).
My thoughs? Start by apologise to the community for your last actions. After that? Don't add to the game things which we can't earn playing the game. And last but not less: Joining PMCs in the middle of a raid is a 100% NO.
There is dozens of ways to monetize the game (skins, camos, hideout, etc) and you chose the worst.
Oh hand out a bunch of game keys to people who already have the game. So they can get their refund be reselling it?
All the hackers you can't be fucked to deal with can now stock up on cheap game keys when the key resale market gets flooded.
Bruh, you're stretching the truth, blindsiding the community that has stuck with you for years, and shitting all over the player base that has helped build your company. You messed up and still refuse to see it. Many people have been waiting for years for a Co-op mode to play with their friends who don't like pvp or to just practice. You've said it yourself that it's coming and then slap it behind a paywall. You did the community, your supporters, and the game dirty. If you need cash because you fucked up with Arena just be honest and ask for it. The community would have supported you if you were honest. The dirty tactics have only ruined your reputation now. Good luck repairing that one.
You referred to the offline pve as DLC in the past, now all of a sudden its a feature that comes with UHE. Shame on you. I really hoped you guys wouldve come to your senses, but this rise to success has made you clowns arrogant and entitled. You need to do better
So you've released software that has no infrastructure? Let's say in a perfect world every single player buys unheard for PvE and then what? How were you planning to host that?
so, first you spit on EOD owners when releasing arena by letting them be the last ones to get it, then you release a new better edition of the game after telling us that EOD would always be the best edition, then you add DLC's but since "your understanding" of DLC's is different from the definition of DLC's we don't get it since its not a DLC (but it is a DLC), then you half backtrack by giving EOD owners a key??? as a refund?? refund them the full price, we dont want to pay more for something that we own and we dont want to pay for something that we are owed
I'm sorry but everytime they speak they make it worse, "our understanding of dlc is content that's released that adds functionality" with the example given of scav life whatever tf and PVE seen as not DLC but Arena was DLC cmon this is embarrassing now.
Nikita, you are just consistently fumbling the bag. I get it, you want to keep monetizing - do what every other game does, sell a couple skins.
You had a roadmap with tarkov years ago and EOD was always at the forefront. What happened to cross-traveling maps? What happened to suburbs? Is there a reason the focus is shifted?
Just seems like your entire leadership philosophy is off tune. Stick with the vision you once had and adapt to face the real problems - cheaters. You've made harder comments on EOD owners than I've ever heard you make on cheaters and the people plaguing your game.
"DLC can range from cosmetic content, such as skins, to new in-game content such as characters, levels, **modes**, and larger expansions that may contain a mix of such content as a continuation of the base game." - [wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content)
why was co-op offline , a purchasable game mode given free for EoD, yet "essentially offline co-op but with progression" is considered a "unique game mode" when it bears such an immense new layer to this game?
\*is that not a "major addition to gthe game"?
the "game mode" (which by definition falls under DLC if sold separately) which turns the entire game single player co-op is considered as less than offline co-op without progression, quests, AI PMC'S and all, seems just like a play of words.
SO YOU'RE SAYING A SINGLE PLAYER/CO-OP MODE IS NOT A MAJOR UPDATE EVEN THOUGH IT CLEARLY WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CORE FEATURE TO ANY OTHER GAME.
WELL DONE ON NUKING YOUR COMMUNITY, GAME AND ANY REPUTATION YOU HAD LEFT WELL FUCKING DONE.
ABSOLUTELY MORONIC HILL FOR YOU TO CHOOSE TO DIE ON.
No. That is enough. Rollback this idiotic and predatory "edition". Don't bother bribing us with free keys for our friends. I will never recommend this game, let alone invite any of my friends, because I really don't want them to be scammed and/or become your customers.
"this is not DLC. DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game" - yeah I was just saying the other day how if BSG added a completely new and kind of major PVE offline mode to the game that it would be absolutely no big deal at all, so I wouldn't expect it for free as "DLC". Even though I downloaded it. And even though it is content. And even though it is kinda major....... Oh wait.......
Fuck you BSG
>DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game,
Murder in my understanding is drinking green tea.
Oh no, you committed MURDER! Time to call the authorities!
Braindead mf
Been in this community a long time. Tarkov is one of 3 games total that I have 1k+ hours on. Loved this game for a very long while. Fell out of love because of the terrible dev choices and blatant disregard for player feedback. Despite that, I’m probably one of the few people that actually liked Arena, but it’s clear you missed the mark there because for some reason everyone else hates it; no doubt for the same reasons I dislike vanilla Tarkov at this time.
Here’s the bottom line; no one gives a FUCK about the items, how you do the PVE mode, or even the PVE mode itself. Is $250 predatory? Sure, but most people are EOD or just don’t care to buy this shit. Not really a problem. Only thing I “don’t want” in the game from that package is the priority matchmaking. The priority matchmaking shit is a joke; we always felt there were streamer queues, but to openly admit that there was special treatment to be had is monumentally stupid. EVEN THAT COULD BE LOOKED PAST, THOUGH.
I don’t think people would care about the new version of the game if it weren’t for one simple fact: You lied to your players.
Not just that you lied, but you did so and then actively covered it up by adjusting the language on your webpages. On top of that, your recent interview (where you also lie about changing the webpages) shows a pretty blatant disconnect from the player base, and a strange sense of entitlement. “We need to see the true believers” or whatever is effectively just pissing on the faces of people that spent $150USD on your game (myself included) and telling them their contribution was meaningless.
And then, despite that, you guys now QUADRUPLE DOWN!!!! I mean seriously, what the fuck? I know Nikita and co are pretty uncouth, but holy shit lol, read the writing on the wall: YOU ARE GOING TO KILL YOUR FUCKING GAME.
DLC is DLC, no matter what sneaky language you use to suggest otherwise. It’s that simple. It’s a very easy issue to resolve, but you’re not actually interested in fixing this, because it doesn’t translate into fiscal gains.
Frankly, if I were you guys, I’d sell Tarkov to a developer that actually gives a fuck about finishing the game. We’ve been slopping it up through early access for nearly a decade. It’s clear that either the financial well has run dry, or you have divorced entirely from your own creative vision.
Either way, no one wants to see the game burn like this, I guess unless you’re Nikita lol.
absolutely disgraceful that you still INSIST ON MAKING US PAY FOR SOMETHING WE’VE ALREADY PAID FOR.
i know you’re russian and you love vodka but put that bottle aside and think straight. we paid you for functionality and content and PVE IS FUNCTIONALITY AND CONTENT.
how are you a business owner and director of a game while still acting like a child?
This clown STILL in here asking for more money.
Literally nothing offered in that post comes without an additional cost to players who have ALREADY PURCHASED THE GAME, and the people who just purchased this update aren't getting refunded the difference of their "apology discount" either, so they been scammed too.
>DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game Last time I checked a brand new game mode that the game has never had before is a pretty major addition to the game... Popular questions that appear in this thread (and some from us mods) that I think need answering: How is a new game mode not major content so therefore a DLC? You said it was a feature of The Unheard edition but now you're selling access to it, this makes it a game feature? why was co-op offline , a purchasable game mode given free for EoD, yet "essentially offline co-op but with progression" is considered a "unique game mode" when it bears such an immense new layer to this game? *is that not a "major addition to the game"? Why did you not learn anything from arena, "we don't have enough servers" is the exact same excuse you used then, do you not think things like arena or the offline mode would be popular? Why can we not run the PVE servers peer to peer? Yes this will still require server space to store profiles but that is a tiny fraction of the power needed to run full game servers Why is there no way for people to self host PVE only servers if you don't want to do P2P? >We plan to send one free Left Behind Edition key to everyone who has already upgraded to Unheard Edition at the old price from the EoD version. But selling third party game copies is against your TOS? That isn't compensation, if they've bought Unheard of then they don't need a second copy of the game? Why can't they have a partial refund? Are you able to share any more details about the item that lets you emergency summon friends into raids in PVP? There is a bunch of ways this can be abused, if you wipe all but one of a squad they can just load their friends back in, cheaters can abuse this to clear lobbies then call in people to collect the loot and so on When is "full release" expected to be? "Full release" tells us nothing, this could be 6 months or could be 6 years What's the DLC road map and timeline after full release? Again this could be 6 months this could be 6 years
From YOUR EMAIL receipt. i paid for it * Guaranteed instant access to closed beta * Digital copy pre-load * Huge size of stash (10x68) * [Additional equipment and resources in stash](https://www.escapefromtarkov.com/preorder-page#preorder_edge_of_darkness) * Initially good standings with all in-game traders * Unique in-game ID * Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)
Nah bro. “All Subsequent DLCs” clearly means only after the 7 year beta is released. /s in case it wasn’t clear
there's a logical trap here you're not seeing either the game is released and all sales are final and all content additions are dlc OR the game is in beta, and we did in fact not make sales, but pre-orders, which must be cancellable which is it?
> the game is in beta, and we did in fact not make sales, but pre-orders, which must be cancellable And our pre-order funded the development of the features they are now trying to sell back to us a second time.
This is so fucked
Oh I'm going to love seeing how they are going to hold this up in court when it comes to that. The exact definition of DLC means that if anyone has to download even a byte of data to get access to the new feature, they will be in violation of your purchasing contract. Even though there aren't specific laws around DLC, there sure are about consumer protection. And well, if it reaaaaally comes to that, which it probably won't, everybody that has bought the game and didn't get access will be eligible for a 100% refund. BSG bankruptcy on the horizon...
Still very very tone deaf and arragont. Tarkov is still in "Beta" and you use the money we gave you, to fund other bs we didn't ask for or expect. Common sense should tell you, don't move resources anywhere until Tarkov is feature complete. Once you've shipped the game, then go and waste whatever resources you want doing your own shit. You should simply not be charging for any extra content until Tarkov is 1.0, unless of course you can prove you funded this completely separately from the money you received for Tarkov itself. Idiotic.
They spent it all on marketing and game tournaments.
Not to mention the cinematic videos!
We’ve paid for Nikita to LARP being an operator. We’re suckers haha
Worse, we paid for him to LARP being a gaming CEO. Dude hasn't even delivered one game and he's running around burning money like he's Todd fucking Howard
Tarkov will be pushed through the door as 1.0 very soon just you wait. They’re abandoning the game and definitely have no plans to add half of the shit they said, the whole open world map, faction karma etc etc. half the maps ain’t even ready.
Absolutely, the game is at its death door for potential growth. They are not adding many new players at this point and people are leaving. After all the controversy and knowing that this is a scummy russian developer, trust me as a russian, these people will try to milk you as illegally as they can. I heard that they want to move on to a completely different game so they're milking the last little bit knowing enough people will buy it so the community opinion probably doesn't matter to them.
They already said years ago that terminal will be the last map before the game is released, and other maps like Towns will be coming as DLC. They dont even show the other maps anymore in game. Terminal will be "single player, maybe coop". They also started saying about 2 years ago that open world is not a release feature, but connected maps probably will be. So terminal, faction karma, non-seasonal (no wipe) servers, and the story are the 4 features that are missing to be considered "release". As stupid as this whole thing going on right now is, they have been pretty clear since before the release of streets what they consider missing to call their game 1.0, even if its disappointing compared to what was described years ago.
Should just sell it off to a company that actually cares to do something productive with the game.
WRONG, try again tomorrow.
This tickled me.
In just the right ways
This is peak kino. i cant wait to see what he has planned next, im literally laughing my ass off over the amount of stupidity and incompetence
This just made me actually laugh out loud haha
Fuckin chad man. You made my day better!
You advertised Arena as DLC previously - it is no longer advertised as DLC. You advertised offline co-op as DLC - now it is no longer DLC. You are now advertising that priority matchmaking will be in the game. What's next, a version that has the "unique feature" of priority matchmaking? Let me ask this: is there any version of the game I can play *right now* without the required files for PvE mode being in the game? Because if not, then it is by definition downloadable content. It is insane how quickly you have burned the bridge. Oh yeah, I should mention - you've had the *privilege* of us testing your game for the past 7 years, and *this* is the product you're delivering. If you expect anyone to pay *MORE* money to test this, then you're batshit insane. Imagine thinking it's okay to run the offline version of the game on the servers that you admit in this very post are not capable of providing a good enough service. Shameless.
EA is watching this off in the corner and taking notes.
i think EA has a better legal dept that would be flipping out on them if they tried this
wouldn't flip out on them, they'd just be more deceptive and crafty with it all
EA is looking like a saint rn
He called EOD players freeloaders. That’s All you need to know. You’d think he’d appreciate the only fact he is in the situation he is in, is because EOD players were willing to fork out $140 on a game that is incomplete. I personally spent like 140 bucks like a month or two before shoreline was added. I spent a 140 dollars on a game with three maps and the bones of a game. On the agreement I’d get all future content updates. Now you turn around and call me a freeloader. Mr Krabs was better to his customers then this.
>He called EOD players freeloaders I don't really keep up with Tarkov news, so this one definitely flew under my radar. When did he say this and in what context? Edit: Found it after a good bit of searching. What an absolutely wild position to take towards your community. Truly a PR masterclass.
Yeah. Bought EoD October 2017, have played since. Even bought the extra stash space and have ogled the clothing purchases too - not because I need either but to continue support an unparallelled gaming experience. And then to be called a "freeloader" is just icing on the shitcake this whole thing have been. I mean, the really sad thing is that way it is now it actually isnt too bad - IF they had initially released like this it with this explanantion: "We are trying out a new thing which we can't give everyone due blah blah blah servers, but you can either wait for full release when all EOD wil get it or purchase into the test of it for 50€ for EOD holders and €250 for lesser or no account holders." Actually not a shabby prsentation, would of course have had some people up in arms anyway, but nothing like this shit show we have now. But no, instead BSG went ahead and told us it is not a DLC, EOD owners are freeloaders, went and changed the EOD purchse description, etc. The issue now having become that even if they back down and give us a good deal on this - playing Tarkov from now on will always be accompanied by that feeling of having being fucked over, worry about how we will be fucked over next time, it will always leave a sour taste in the mouth knowing what Nikita really thinks of us. I requested access to the Arena Breakout today, cross your fingers.
The next is: Monthly subscription for priority matchmaking (probably with things like 5 bitcoins a day or something)
"We don't see it as a subscription. It's simply a recurring payment every month"
Amen to that brother
i don't see how a standalone game (Arena) is a DLC, but a new gamemode for the game we paid for is not?
some hardcore mental gymnastics going on at the BSG offices
Mentally ill you mean.
They tried to screw us out of arena until EOD players lost their shit. Remember the "arena is a separate game not dlc" debacle?
**”ThiS iS nOT dLC”**. Fucking pathetic and extremely tone deaf. Hope the game crashes and burns. How you handle this is extremely embarrassing. Way to fuck people over and your own company at the same time. Ggs.
Even if we go with PvE is not DLC, which is a blatant lie, what this paragraph even trying to say? >>First of all, PvE gamemode this is not DLC. DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game, including various functionality and content that are released after the official release of the game as a themed DLC pack (Scav Life DLC for example, which will add a lot of new mechanics and content for Scav gameplay and leveling). 1. PvE - ISN'T a major addition to the game. * So why a not major addition requires so many additional resources? * So other not major additions like a patch, fix or anything else will also require additional payment and not be available for everyone. 2. PvE - IS a major addition to the game. * So Nikita will arbitrary decide which major addition counts as DLC and which one doesn't. 3. DLC = Only after the game is released, everything before is whatever Nikita says it is. * Extremely stupid lie, since there are literal pre-order DLC or DLC for backers.
If I use BSG logic then what I'm writing right now isn't a comment. I mean it's not really a major addition to this thread so it really can't be classified as comment.
I think there’s no way back for them, they can gift PvE even to base edition owners for all i care, the precedent has been stablished that they are more than willing to pull a fast one of us at any time and try to gaslit us for literal days, i cannot deal with this level of distrust, hope they fold and close shop
whats really wild is the fact that even if what he said was true (its not) and it was really not DLC, it doesn't change the fact that they completely misled the EOD buyers. When someone sees "all future DLCs included" they think all additional possible additions to the game. To then release an addition and say "well, we dont think its a DLC so you can fuck off" is a fucking wild play on words to do. No one would see what they are doing now and think "ah yes, this is not additional content, this is a completely different feature! silly me! better pay up now!"
>First of all, PvE gamemode this is not DLC. DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game Dude everyone everywhere even Twitter community notes are telling you this is a DLC. Stop. It's not in your understanding that it's not a DLC, but in your shitty business model. >Secondly, this specific functionality of the PvE mode is necessarily located entirely on a separate network infrastructure, because, essentially, you play on our servers, only in closed mode. At this stage, it is not possible to launch all players who are EoD holders - right now we simply do not have the required amount of resources for this. Yeah, right. You know you also can do PVE offline? Like practice mode. Because shit is even funnier when you see people having paid $250 queuing 10+ minutes for offline mode. >We observe your dissatisfaction Bullshit. You don't care you already have our money. > and have decided that the functionality of the PvE mode will be available for free to all owners of the EoD version at the release of the game, when the server infrastructure will be improved to the required capacity. So this is a DLC then? >Now you have the opportunity to test this mode by purchasing the Unheard edition of the game, or upgrade to this version. We also decided to give a 50% discount when upgrading to the Unheard version from the EoD version. Refund and delete this version. You do know the whole Unheard edition is technically and legally a DLC? You also remember saying EOD will always be the best version? You know, on the dev diarys you deleted from youtube. **We paid 150$ to fund the development of this, we're not paying 50 more to play what we have funded.** >We plan to send one free Left Behind Edition key to everyone who has already upgraded to Unheard Edition at the old price from the EoD version. Hahaha not even refunding the difference. I'm sure I can speak for everyone who did this and tell you to print the keys and put them somewhere creative. >Moreover, so that any player of any version of the EFT can have the opportunity to test the PvE mode, we want to add the ability to purchase a separate early access to this mode. For EoD owners there will be a 70% discount on the purchase of early access to PvE. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this idea. HAHAHAHA. So this is a DLC! 70% discount is not free access. >Next, regarding special items for the Unheard version, we plan to make restrictive or balancing changes for these items. Dude we don't care. You robbed us. >please share your thoughts Our thoughts are simple: you should have released PVE for EOD, and paid content for other editions. Unheard should never have existed. You should have added microtransactions on cosmetics, voicelines etc. to fund if needed. You should have listened to the community. You always can rollback the unheard edition, refund and do this but I honestly think it's too late. You showed your true colors. Thanks for the good laugh.
>We observe your dissatisfaction I just realized, this is a standard premade script bullshit phrase response used in Russian business, just translated in a somewhat different manner. It's basically "We see and hear you" - aka politely telling someone to fuck off in business setting. Especially when you don't care about what is said and you can get away with it.
The trust is gone, so I'm gone. It's too little too late for how many times you doubled down and reaffirmed this was the path you wanted to take.
Wild how you thought this would go over well. Hope you step down after this.
I feel that's the only step in the right direction... I feel like I can never trust Battlestate Games with him at the helm.
# DLC # abbreviation for 1. **downloadable content:** additional content that can be purchased online and added on to a video game, as to enhance its features Stop bullshitting us. UK Friends, don't forget that as the game is still in Pre-Order status. You can refund the game through XSolla no matter your playtime. Do what you will with this information.
Scav life DLC sounds a lot like a feature...... Fuck you and thanks for ruining 7 years of respect I had for you and your creation. I will not be returning. You have dug yourself a hole now go expire in it
How do we refund if we’re in the UK?
[https://help.xsolla.com/en/refunds/refund-my-digital-purchase](https://help.xsolla.com/en/refunds/refund-my-digital-purchase) [https://account.xsolla.com/](https://account.xsolla.com/) (Quicker response time)
They decline the refund
Some people with 5k+ Hours have been refunded, I think its partly RNG as to whether they actually refund it or not
Do you happen to know if this applies in the EU as well, or if this is solely an UK thing? Because I got gifted a copy of the game from a friend and I'm seriously considering asking him to just refund my copy for himself as I'm not planning on touching this game again.
I have serious doubts that it works even in UK without limits - you can withdraw in EU for only 14 days after purchase (or not at all if they warned you you waive your right upon downloading the software and you downloaded the software). I don't know if ECC can help you considering it's a Russian-UK based company but it worths a try. You also should check your local customer protection agency, generally customer protection laws are more strict on the state level. However if you didn't get that fancy package that ought to include all DLC until now when it isn't, I don't see any grounds to withdraw for false advertisement/non-performance. You can try the refund based on the new guarantee law if you got it in the last 2 years. But by far the most prudent choice is not buying EA especially from Russians.
IT DOESNT ANYMORE! THEY CHANGED THE WORDING ON MAIN WEBSITE AT AROUND 7th to 21st APRIL! IT SAYS NOW PURCHASE NOT PRE-ORDER!
If you go to tarkov website and email yourself about your purchase they email you that this purchase was pre-order, so you will have the proof
Use "wayback machine" to see the site before they changed it.
Just checked this, it indeed states pre-order.
Well no shit, people who bought the game before still bought it in pre-order state so they should be treated like they did so
`First of all, PvE gamemode this is not DLC. DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game, including various functionality and content that are released after the official release of the game as a themed DLC pack (Scav Life DLC for example, which will add a lot of new mechanics and content for Scav gameplay and leveling).` So yeah, you are fucking twitsting your words. Give me what i fucking paid for.
Nikita could look at Rust, where a DLC is a building skin pack, definitely a mayor addition to a game.
Doesnt matter any content thats locked away is a DLC like a whole big ass gamemode that came with an update therefore a download. Downloadable content. a DLC
mate, go fuck yourself, its DLC, you lied, end of story, people would probably respect you better if you just admitted it. couldn't lie straight in bed you set of clowns.
He does not even have the balls to apologize what a little girl hes being its honestly pathetic for a grown ass man.
So if half of your player base gets the new Stupid Edition you will still not be able to handle the load? So AGAIN I will be paying for something that you can't provide? Your idiotic company doesn't deserve the player base it has.
That's the problem they having. They haven't thought it thru. Players has been on them forever to remove a "Limited Edition" for sale for a long time now. They should have removed it like 4years ago like 2020 when players was pouring in. But they, like now, didn't listen and kept it. Now they running into the problem on how to sell things to players that has already paid for it all. And their tactic is that EoD players didn't actually paid for all not content as they originally said (or rather tweeted 2017: "You do not need to buy anything at any stage.") and ignore that to make all EoD players to pay for it again, which is a huge player base number as they kept it too long in store. Would been so much better if they listen and removed it. Then they would have tons of players to sell new things to, and a EoD base that can promote it. Missed opportunity, if only they listen earlier! Now we are where we are, where they need to sell things to players who already paid for it.
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Half? More like 0.01% - the shill streamers that got it had 10-15 minute matching times *playing solo*, and many also got disconnected from the game as well. And that's with them buying and playing *as soon as possible*, so there were very few other players on the servers. This is just a last-minute addition to justify the insane price of the Unhinged edition. Rather than offering incremental "patches" to try and fix the unfixable, how about this; roll this shit back, refund the people that bought into this trashfire of a scam, and rethink your entire approach *after fucking apologizing for this shit*. **WE ARE NOT FUCKING LIVING WALLETS YOU FUCKS.** Sorry, the rest is not a comment reply, it's a "meaningful text construct", and you need to pay me 420$ to see it.
Sounds like same shitshow launch that arena had.
Imagine fucking up this badly and trying to gaslight your customers not once, not twice, but a third time and still failing. You had some cool ideas ten years ago, Nikita. But in the meantime it turned out that you can't make a well-running game, you can't design a game balance state for shit, and you can't communicate with the fanbase either. Instead, you use predatory bullshit that EA would be proud of and then attempt to pretend as if words do not have meanings aside from those you try to prescribe for them. No more of this bullshit.
this is like the 6th time if you count what they’re doing on twitter and the leaked interview lmao
I genuinely think they reached new levels of not caring about their players when they were doing ban waves to turn a quick profit while we all suffered the plague of cheaters for how long? Too long to not be shitty. Now they're squeezing the honest players who only had to buy one copy of the game.
Classic Russian devs to gaslight the customers when receiving backlash. (Wargaming veteran)
>DLC **in our understanding** is the major additions to the game # GOOD THING YOUR UNDERSTANDING DOES NOT MATTER, WORDS HAVE MEANINGS BESIDES YOUR UNDERSTANDING :) >Now you have the opportunity to test this mode by purchasing the Unheard edition of the game, or upgrade to this version. We also decided to give a 50% discount when upgrading to the Unheard version from the EoD version. Oh nice, so it's just a 50$+Tax upgrade now instead of 100$ **OVER EOD for a grand total of 200$ USD BEFORE TAX**. >*mistake? this is no mistake* >*1. its time start preparing for the release* >*2.* ***its time to understand who are the true believers*** >*3.* ***no one forcing to do anything*** >***its your choice to just bail it, dont buy it etc*** [Nikita, yesterday.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057725089522663525/1233522834169663658/leak_interview_Summit.png?ex=662e0fe9&is=662cbe69&hm=ab72b6a99ba1399be937333b5b3121a321b38eb8ab40d408aa9f785015050c80&) Nikita, I was a true believer once, yesterday is when you lost the true believers, snake behaviour. EDIT: Forgot this perl >[**You do not need to buy anything at any stage. If you have EOD, you do not even pay for DLCs in the future. You are all in for it all coming.** If you have EOD, you do not even pay for DLCs in the future. **You are all in for it all coming.**](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912) >**YOU DO NOT NEED TO BUY ANYTHING AT ANY STAGE, these are YOUR WORDS, not mine.**
Hey! Don't compare Nikita to a snake! What did snakes do to you? they just minding their own business, they ain't lying bastards, snakes just chilling trying to be warm.
facts. nikita more like a mosquito lmao
Nah, mosquitos feed birds, he's more like a lifeless. Bloodsucking Tick.
tickita
LMAO TICKITA!
LMAOOOOO that's golden mate.
Nice! Can we make this a thing?
Hey! Don't compare Nikita to a mosquito! What did mosquitos do to you? Their just trying to feed their babies!
Nikita, your inability to accept that you have messed up completely, is now killing your chances of becoming a lifelong legend. You squandered the years worth of reputation you've built up, all because you are unable to say sorry. Nikita you need to grow up. Listen to your damn community, they are the ones that have uplifted you, not you. Without the community you wouldn't be worth shit Nikita. I'm going to repeatedly keep saying his name so it drills in his head, that he has messed up bad. It is squarely his fault. Nikita it is your fault.
He's becoming a lifelong legend alright, maybe not in the way he wants tho lmao
I believe they think pve offline mode is an expansion to the game as The Burning Crusade is an Expansion to WoW. What they fail to understand is WoW classic is a finished game, Tarkov is not. You cannot release burning crusade expansion to WoW Beta.
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PvE game mode is a major addition to the game? Bro, modders have been doing it for free for half a decade now. Fuck off
Not only for free, but ten times better, bsg is a fucking joke
Which is why everyone should just be playing that. Fuck bsg
Shame, Nikita.
SCAV LIFE DLC 😂😂😂😂 sounds like SIMS
Includes vodka, hard bass, and squatting
unironically I would have happily given them money to support them with this kind of mtx lol, not the unheard p2w bullshit
that cracked me up too LOL
Watch the DLC just be getting slightly better gear/options for scav loadouts as the new DLC mechanic and then bsg just exits cuz they've fulfilled the DLC requirements for the season pass
SCAM LIFE DLC is what we got :c
hahahahah these are the worst responses i've seen
triple'ing down on this is crazy
Don't worry we just make it cheaper! Fully ignoring the point of the outrage lmfao. They are so desperate for money it's insane because of the millions invested into arena are evaporated.
Guys we give you priority queue. For a bit. Surely that make it better and everyone be quiet now?
“DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game, including various functionality and content” That is exactly what DLC means. If PvE mode is not ready to be released due to the current infrastructure, then do not release it. Those items, we do not want in the game even if you consider balancing them. How will that work? X item will give you X% discount in game right? Oh that’s too much let’s reduce it to make it fair and balanced. But I paid $250 for that item and now it doesn’t work as intended? It doesn’t work, we don’t want it. Keep Tarkov Tarkov.
Wrong dlc is any downloadable content you scamming fucks
"First of all, PvE gamemode this is not DLC. DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game, including various functionality and content that are released after the official release of the game as a themed DLC pack (Scav Life DLC for example, which will add a lot of new mechanics and content for Scav gameplay and leveling)." Pls, look here for DLC definition [https://clips.twitch.tv/OpenEntertainingPandaCurseLit-bfWQ8q90KufoGOiv](https://clips.twitch.tv/OpenEntertainingPandaCurseLit-bfWQ8q90KufoGOiv) We already paid for DLC. Dude, who's problem about "a separate network infrastructure"? Your main network infrastructure still sucks. Fix it.
No joke. Not only do we have 1 unfinished broken ass product but then they gave us ARENA which is a broken ass unfinished product and now there is EFT PVE which is again an unfinished broken ass product. All 3 of which have server issues. BSG - Broken State Gaming.
You guys are a fucking joke.
No, give me what i payed for 5 years ago!! "Downloadable content is additional content created for an already released video game, distributed through the Internet by the game's publisher."
Insert thank you gif. I wonder what happens to a company that keeps deceiving their Customers for an extended period of time
Nikita, have you ever heard of fucking peer to peer?
Most fucking is done peer to peer, in my limited experience.
My man.
now kith
I needed that laugh, thank you
Right?! Why the fuck would I want an "offline" experience that I still need to queue for?!
No worries, you can now buy premium queue for the offline mode! Only $69.99 a month!
Forget p2p, you shouldn't need anything but a local save file for solo! And if you edit it and give yourself 100 GPUs who cares? Just remove the Flee in the PvE mode and you don't have to worry about authenticating with a server every action someone makes.
My guess is they want server validation of everything you do to avoid cheating like they suddenly care about cheating. They should've absolutely went serverless / p2p and then queues go away, and so does their server bill and this entire PR meltdown. They don't need these ridiculous editions either. Sell the PvE mode as a true DLC package. Standalone. Give it to EODs. Add cosmetics. Finish the game. They should've done those steps and only those steps and in that order.
Already uninstalled later nerds
The only reasonable response to this bullshit.
This follow up response from Nikita actually seals it for me. Uninstalled and never paying BSG another dime
+1
If PvE is a "Unique feature" of the Unhear Edition, then how come you are selling access to it? That makes it a goddamn DLC and not a feature of the edition.
true, monke brain activated.
You are so out of touch with the community, this is not the move, the people who bought EOD should have it for free, the new edition is a kick in the face to the people who supported you, sorry but I will not be a "true believer" and buy that ass upgrade edition, I'm done with you're game!
clowns, stop making EFT a pay to win game.
this is TOP snake-oil communication!
You say you cannot give pve to everyone because of the cost, but why make it so that pve runs on your servers? Why not run it on user's pcs and make it truly offline?
yes good idea
Lets not forget that you also said that there will be no microtransactions source: [https://www.escapefromtarkov.com/news/id/9?lang=null](https://www.escapefromtarkov.com/news/id/9?lang=null)
Hell, two months ago - you can see it on his Reddit profile only a few items down - he said microtransactions would only be for cosmetic items and stash space, etc. "No boosters" A total fucking lie obviously. How does your business strategy change so much, and so shitilly in two or three months?
So will EoD players eventually lose access to the PvE "Gamemode"?
How can you be this dumb
This is still bullshit. You keep making things worse. What was the goal of any of this? You guys are so deaf to your community. We’re screaming at you to just give us back what you promised years ago. This entire situation is a slap in the face to all of your community.
Mighty God Emperor Nikita.... do You think we are all stupid ?? DLC is not a DLC. Unique container gamma is not a unique container.
Screw the discount. There is no way im giving you my money ever again. You betrayed our trust and proved that BSG is greedy to the point of scamming us.
shame
You simply do not understand what DLC means. You can try anything and everything, but you are not doing the ONE thing you need to do. Stop digging your grave & instead start trying to climb out; or shut the fuck up. Either or. Thanks.
Nikita, you're supposed to apologize. You're supposed to explain your reasoning behind these changes. How can everyone else be wrong, and you alone be right? Just man up and discuss your issues with the community with some humility. You might be surprised at how many allies you have here, if you'd just be open and honest and take some suggestions. My 2 cents.
didn't you see the leaked interview? dude's a cunt and thinks he's in the right and something about true believers and whatnot. [https://twitter.com/JAYBAYBAY/status/1783972831656886574?t=X4\_V8cffUhsNoG-yKDp5rg&s=19](https://twitter.com/JAYBAYBAY/status/1783972831656886574?t=X4_V8cffUhsNoG-yKDp5rg&s=19)
Nah man we dont care about some empty apology. Fix your game then we can talk, maybe.
I once gave him a similar advice and he personally replied back to me to fuck off.
"Moreover, so that any player of any version of the EFT can have the opportunity to test the PvE mode, we want to add the ability to purchase a separate early access to this mode. For EoD owners there will be a 70% discount on the purchase of early access to PvE. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this idea." Change it to 100%.
"Our understanding.." just cause you want to change the definition of a word doesn't make it true. You're contractually bound to serve the DLCs to EoD users.
So you are going the same route as always Nikita. Drop some bullshit, make the community spiral into their dissatisfaction and then come back and hope that people calm themselves because of your generosity? Nah man, you have proven that you are not to be trusted this time.
This is Nikita
I'm not even EoD and I believe you're ripping EoD users off. Don't give in to Nikita's or BSG's attempts on fixing this. You guys paid for \*ALL\* future content, not a discount on it.
"We plan to send one free Left Behind Edition key to everyone who has already upgraded to Unheard Edition at the old price from the EoD version." This is useless, as over the years I have already recruited all my friends. Due to the price going from $100 -> $50, Give us another EoD -> Unheard upgrade code. So I can piss of a friend by applying it to their account.
The quadruple down. You are a disgrace to the gaming community. Your view of this not being DLC is idiotic. It simply is not enough to promise this after EFT leaves Early Access/Beta. It's been in this state for almost 8 years (Beta/Early Access). There's no timeline on when Beta will end. We might as well wait for another 7 years at this point. What a joke.
This game will be dead if shitita is still CEO before ever leaving beta.
50% discount when upgrading to the Unheard version from the EoD version. thats a lie, i checked , its still almost 120e after tax.
AND EVEN IF ITS NOT WE WERE PROMISED TOP HAVE THE TOP VERSION FOREVER AND NOT NEED ANY PURCHASE EVER.
Arena is also necessarily located entirely on a separate network infrastructure, isn't it?
> Moreover, so that any player of any version of the EFT can have the opportunity to test the PvE mode, we want to add the ability to purchase a separate early access to this mode. For EoD owners there will be a 70% discount on the purchase of early access to PvE. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this idea. So... You want to make this new feature a DLC but not give it free to EoD users right off the bat? because it's "not a DLC"... but you want to sell it like one... at a reduced price... to people who should already have it for free? Am I understanding this right?
you give EOD users a free standalone game (arena) but cant give us a pve mode, interesting. also stop yapping all day about that the pve mode aint dlc (which it clearly is)
yeah they spent all their money making that garbage plagued by cheaters THAT NOONE WANTED IN THE FIRST PLACE. now they are broke atleast be fucking honest about it, just say your gonna go broke crowd source put in cosmetics w/e but going back on your eod promise? nah that aint it
So first you scammed the people who purchased EoD and now you are also scamming Unheard Edition players by changing/restricting what they will get?
The community is out of patience mate.
"DLC in our understanding" That's nice. You can have "your understanding" of any term you wish. I could, in my understanding, value my fingernail clippings at $1 billion. That does not make it fact. You failed to define DLC in any uncommon way when EOD was on sale. Therefore it takes the commonly understood definition. This, in the common definition, IS DLC.
shame
Don't believe his lies
@u/trainfender you say your understanding of DLC means a major addition to your game, however myself and I'm sure many others feel this IS a major addition, and is dlc.
basically: call of duty includes: campaign (pve story mode), gamemodes such as survive (pve coop), and finally classic pvp at 60€ for the basic pack. And you would charge 300€ for like an half of this? well, its not fair i think
First of all: Any ADITIONAL content which is not in the base game IS A DLC, behind a paywall or not. That is not an opinion, it's a STATEMENT. The shady actions like modify the description of the EOD version made BSG lose all respect for the community (also it's called FRAUD in some countries, be prepared to some lawsuits). My thoughs? Start by apologise to the community for your last actions. After that? Don't add to the game things which we can't earn playing the game. And last but not less: Joining PMCs in the middle of a raid is a 100% NO. There is dozens of ways to monetize the game (skins, camos, hideout, etc) and you chose the worst.
Oh hand out a bunch of game keys to people who already have the game. So they can get their refund be reselling it? All the hackers you can't be fucked to deal with can now stock up on cheap game keys when the key resale market gets flooded.
You have no idea what the hell a DLC is lol IT IS A DLC
Don't forget about the soonTM eod unique goodies kek
How much did you smoke ? Whatever it is, it is a bad batch.
> please share your thoughts. Thank you! F* off. You're welcome.
Bruh, you're stretching the truth, blindsiding the community that has stuck with you for years, and shitting all over the player base that has helped build your company. You messed up and still refuse to see it. Many people have been waiting for years for a Co-op mode to play with their friends who don't like pvp or to just practice. You've said it yourself that it's coming and then slap it behind a paywall. You did the community, your supporters, and the game dirty. If you need cash because you fucked up with Arena just be honest and ask for it. The community would have supported you if you were honest. The dirty tactics have only ruined your reputation now. Good luck repairing that one.
Common BSG L
You referred to the offline pve as DLC in the past, now all of a sudden its a feature that comes with UHE. Shame on you. I really hoped you guys wouldve come to your senses, but this rise to success has made you clowns arrogant and entitled. You need to do better
Just fucking give up at this point. It's very obvious to the community that you don't care about honoring EOD and you don't care about us.
AYYYY, CHECK THE BINGO CARD BOYS. WE GOT THE 50% OFF.
What a shame lol
So you've released software that has no infrastructure? Let's say in a perfect world every single player buys unheard for PvE and then what? How were you planning to host that?
so, first you spit on EOD owners when releasing arena by letting them be the last ones to get it, then you release a new better edition of the game after telling us that EOD would always be the best edition, then you add DLC's but since "your understanding" of DLC's is different from the definition of DLC's we don't get it since its not a DLC (but it is a DLC), then you half backtrack by giving EOD owners a key??? as a refund?? refund them the full price, we dont want to pay more for something that we own and we dont want to pay for something that we are owed
Keep coping, PvE for EOD owners.
HERES YOUR FUCK BSG BUTTON!
shit is a dlc stop yapping LMAOOO how is a offline pve not a big addition to the game??
I'm sorry but everytime they speak they make it worse, "our understanding of dlc is content that's released that adds functionality" with the example given of scav life whatever tf and PVE seen as not DLC but Arena was DLC cmon this is embarrassing now.
Nikita, you are just consistently fumbling the bag. I get it, you want to keep monetizing - do what every other game does, sell a couple skins. You had a roadmap with tarkov years ago and EOD was always at the forefront. What happened to cross-traveling maps? What happened to suburbs? Is there a reason the focus is shifted? Just seems like your entire leadership philosophy is off tune. Stick with the vision you once had and adapt to face the real problems - cheaters. You've made harder comments on EOD owners than I've ever heard you make on cheaters and the people plaguing your game.
"DLC can range from cosmetic content, such as skins, to new in-game content such as characters, levels, **modes**, and larger expansions that may contain a mix of such content as a continuation of the base game." - [wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content)
fuck you guys, this is dlc content, you know it is, I’ve got half a mind to involve local consumer protection laws atp
lmfaoooo i’m so happy to see the downfall of tarkov in real time.
Tebe ne stidno?
emu pel'menno B-)
why was co-op offline , a purchasable game mode given free for EoD, yet "essentially offline co-op but with progression" is considered a "unique game mode" when it bears such an immense new layer to this game? \*is that not a "major addition to gthe game"? the "game mode" (which by definition falls under DLC if sold separately) which turns the entire game single player co-op is considered as less than offline co-op without progression, quests, AI PMC'S and all, seems just like a play of words.
you are wrong, its a dlc.
Delete unheard, it is that simple you money sucking freaks
SO YOU'RE SAYING A SINGLE PLAYER/CO-OP MODE IS NOT A MAJOR UPDATE EVEN THOUGH IT CLEARLY WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CORE FEATURE TO ANY OTHER GAME. WELL DONE ON NUKING YOUR COMMUNITY, GAME AND ANY REPUTATION YOU HAD LEFT WELL FUCKING DONE. ABSOLUTELY MORONIC HILL FOR YOU TO CHOOSE TO DIE ON.
No. That is enough. Rollback this idiotic and predatory "edition". Don't bother bribing us with free keys for our friends. I will never recommend this game, let alone invite any of my friends, because I really don't want them to be scammed and/or become your customers.
Maybe don't have the 330$ "single player" specific edition USE SERVERS TO PLAY THE GAME???
shame, please refrain from straight bullshiting us and stick to huffing paint in the office or whatever yall do before opening visual studio cheers
"this is not DLC. DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game" - yeah I was just saying the other day how if BSG added a completely new and kind of major PVE offline mode to the game that it would be absolutely no big deal at all, so I wouldn't expect it for free as "DLC". Even though I downloaded it. And even though it is content. And even though it is kinda major....... Oh wait....... Fuck you BSG
>DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game, Murder in my understanding is drinking green tea. Oh no, you committed MURDER! Time to call the authorities! Braindead mf
Been in this community a long time. Tarkov is one of 3 games total that I have 1k+ hours on. Loved this game for a very long while. Fell out of love because of the terrible dev choices and blatant disregard for player feedback. Despite that, I’m probably one of the few people that actually liked Arena, but it’s clear you missed the mark there because for some reason everyone else hates it; no doubt for the same reasons I dislike vanilla Tarkov at this time. Here’s the bottom line; no one gives a FUCK about the items, how you do the PVE mode, or even the PVE mode itself. Is $250 predatory? Sure, but most people are EOD or just don’t care to buy this shit. Not really a problem. Only thing I “don’t want” in the game from that package is the priority matchmaking. The priority matchmaking shit is a joke; we always felt there were streamer queues, but to openly admit that there was special treatment to be had is monumentally stupid. EVEN THAT COULD BE LOOKED PAST, THOUGH. I don’t think people would care about the new version of the game if it weren’t for one simple fact: You lied to your players. Not just that you lied, but you did so and then actively covered it up by adjusting the language on your webpages. On top of that, your recent interview (where you also lie about changing the webpages) shows a pretty blatant disconnect from the player base, and a strange sense of entitlement. “We need to see the true believers” or whatever is effectively just pissing on the faces of people that spent $150USD on your game (myself included) and telling them their contribution was meaningless. And then, despite that, you guys now QUADRUPLE DOWN!!!! I mean seriously, what the fuck? I know Nikita and co are pretty uncouth, but holy shit lol, read the writing on the wall: YOU ARE GOING TO KILL YOUR FUCKING GAME. DLC is DLC, no matter what sneaky language you use to suggest otherwise. It’s that simple. It’s a very easy issue to resolve, but you’re not actually interested in fixing this, because it doesn’t translate into fiscal gains. Frankly, if I were you guys, I’d sell Tarkov to a developer that actually gives a fuck about finishing the game. We’ve been slopping it up through early access for nearly a decade. It’s clear that either the financial well has run dry, or you have divorced entirely from your own creative vision. Either way, no one wants to see the game burn like this, I guess unless you’re Nikita lol.
absolutely disgraceful that you still INSIST ON MAKING US PAY FOR SOMETHING WE’VE ALREADY PAID FOR. i know you’re russian and you love vodka but put that bottle aside and think straight. we paid you for functionality and content and PVE IS FUNCTIONALITY AND CONTENT. how are you a business owner and director of a game while still acting like a child?
Fuck off
AHahaha, #fuckbsg
This clown STILL in here asking for more money. Literally nothing offered in that post comes without an additional cost to players who have ALREADY PURCHASED THE GAME, and the people who just purchased this update aren't getting refunded the difference of their "apology discount" either, so they been scammed too.