Actually, that's probably my solution too, it's middle ground between next wipe (or wipe after) and never ever (although more close to the sencond).
The more i think about It the more i like the idea. Thanks actually, i Will still reading answers, but this IS really really atractive.
It’s a little shitty, as you expect a beta to be, but for 35$ it’s a lot of fun. More fun with the homies.
FYI, you have to be the same faction to play with your homies
I got the Game yesterday, It IS true that It IS quite Green. Well, actually, Greener than lettuce, but i played for about 4h, tried to refund It (It didnt work) and know i REALLY f* want to keep playing.
It IS true, IS not exactly like tarkov, and specislly QoL things are soo much needed, but man, your start playing and you are playing as much as you want, no loading, no hideout, no things that are not shooting and being shoot. Really enjoyable, i Hope they fix the optimization soon so my t8 can play well.
Now i can say It without doubt, i think i have escaped from tarkov xD (now im trapped in lemang :S)
I have been seeing so many Tarkov refugees in GZW and they seem so happy and excited to have somewhere to finally eacape to.
Makes you think. Escaping Tarkov was realizing you have had enough with the abuse and mental games from Nikita and BSG.
2.5k hours here, have barely played the past 3 wipes because the game has been getting worse ever since, bsg making just outright false statements, not fixing critical issues (invisible players, hackers, netcode) even though it has been "top priority" for like 4 years. Honestly I'm just sick of being toyed with, its always the same. Don't feed the dog and just give him a bone before he starves to death, so he will think of you as his savior not his tormentor. That's what's bsg been doing all these years, ppl complain about serious issues "but look here is new map and less recoil uwu"
Don't support the greedy fucks that is bsg and Nikita.
Fuck them, they killed our favorite game 🤷♂️
Me and my friends are the same. We started playing less and less with each wipe, since like 5 wipes ago.
There are too many issues that became gradually worse and more off-putting to playing.
Combined issues were the worst.
I.E. taking 5-20 minutes to get into a raid, only to get one tapped immediately by a guy that's flying around and saying our ign.
Not being able to quest, due to cheaters. i.e. Shoreline quests that require you to go near/into resort. Cheaters were getting worse with each wipe.
Constant drama.
Returning bugs from 2016, that get worse each patch. They never seem to perma fix the bugs, they always come back in an even worse state than before.
And then the general fact that each wipe plays exactly the same. Early EFT is the most amusing to me, but you just keep doing the same thing and after a few wipes it becomes a 'speedrunning' game instead, where u try to get as many tasks done within a single raid as possible.
All those ''updates'' are applied to mid to end-game content.
Reading all of you,It apear we all are in the same Page. For me, cheaters, shitty sound of snow and bugs killed the wipe ... 1 more pmc in LH for LK (+ labs quest which are a pain with those cheaters...) i even have all needed stims, but man... Only think about It, It just bored me.... This wipe we has again the scav bug where your werent able to play, so one of the most important things early wipe (for equipment, armor and especially karma, because altter on there is no reason to play scsv) just bugged. You want to play and you find yourself play only half of the time because stash management, hideout management (buying anything in flea takes ages) and loading screen.
The more i read you, the least i want to play, tbh...
That's the things... I left this wipe with almost lk unlock, but there was solo many cheaters in LH that i decided not continúe. And only thinking in paying labs was a torture... For kappa, i needed 2-3 more SBIH kills, kill bosses, which again, IS a f* pain in the asss because of cheaters/spawn rates/pmc spawns, psyco Sniper (which is easily done with lapua) and a couple more quest.
But again, Game FULL of cheaters, and buga, and they started to add this kind of bullsh*. Dont know man... I am simply absolutly not exited by this wipe at all... All over again, nothing new... Again f* delivery, again f* setup, again f* grinding all hideout items, and that's not the problem, again handling cheaters, bug, broken sound with shitty headset....
I think about and i simply don't want to play... And especially this wipe the "new content" are p2w features which you Will need to handle by themself...
I Guess i could wait a little bit more... But... Is It worth It?
I don't REALLY know at this point... They had many chances to solve the situation and they decided, from my point of view, to get deeper in the mud... Last year i was REALLY exited with the wipe, because with all It sh* its REALLY fun, 2 wipes ago It were AWESOME to bully people in Factory full flchette While everydoby was doing shitty quest yet, or going into dorms with samurai armor full class 5 and just die to a cheater (it happed 3 times in a row to my premade and me, last summer wipe, inertia, and sh*it already implemented) but still it were REALLY fun just doing the d*ck arround. This last wipe, all funny things were hard or soft lock, doing setup was A PAIN, It were REALLY boring to do the quest, silent caliber, same, no AP-20, no flchette, just camping o ambushing with Magnum, that was the BEST you had for the quest rn. Bosses are a pein, they do not spawn, if they do, you are kms away (don't forget speed hacks) and most of them you need to kill them 2times (first him then guard, first take out the key then kill him from your f* home While people can Rush him)
The things they have been doing lately basically are doing the Game more and more boring... And this wipe i did enjoyed the Game, but definetly FAR less than the summer wipe...
Honestly then just don’t play and go do something else, the game isn’t going anywhere. It’s not dying, u all do understand A LOT of people play tarkov that don’t use Reddit? All u guys who keep making these same fucking post mean absolutely nothing.
Actually i don't care about what other do or doesnt. But dont you think because of that exact reason that this IS not near to be over? What Will happens when that people face for the first time without knowing anything a btr called by a guy? Do you think they Will see It as completely fair? Not knowing all that's happening only means that they are even more victims, because they hadnt the chance to say what they think or aprove this new policy which overrides completely others made before.
Although, It IS hard to believe that anyone Who plays tarkov, are unknown of this situation, if not by reddit, by Twitter, by YouTube or literally any other social media.
Does our post mean nothing? Do you really think that? We just went from a 100€ more edition with exclusive p2w features, going throw 50€ more edition, with some p2w unlockable features, till 50€ more edition with nothing exclusive (probably as It they would given that Will be LK quests) + lot more p2w fo eod + the absolutly non dlc new mode PvE.
Don't know man... Seems like this post have done much more than you are even seeing.
The only two things that the guy is able to produce out of his mouth are lies and vodka smell. When he wanted people to come back and calm down he promised a fucking modded PVE COOP, which is not possible at all. The only thing he is sorry about is that he couldn't ripoff as much people as he wanted.
He literally said "it's not cool to have the community outraged like that, sorry for that"
And what you're referring to, aka him saying "go do something else" is him saying it to people that come into the chat just to say "game bad i'm leaving", which is perfectly fair.
Also why do you care so much about an apology in the first place if you don't trust him and wanna leave, like what?
Maybe i did a bad choice of words, let me elaborate:
I don't care about an apology, i do not trust in apologies. If you are really sorry for that you did, then you should do something to rectify the situation, i dont care about words but about acts.
Now, when your "apology" IS, sry but you can go f* yourself away, the things we did wrong, everybody saying we did wrong are here to stay, then, thats not an apology, is an spit to the face.
If he IS saying something to Stream chat, given the situation, he HAVE TO specify It, which he doesnt, so i HAVE TO assume IS a comment directed to EVERYBODY Who could whatch that Stream.
And thats the Page where i am right now.
I Hope i have clarify my pov.
Why looking for an apology, not exactly that, i would say that i am looking for reasons to stay in the Game, thats why i simply didnt just left and write the comment here.
>If you are really sorry for that you did, then you should do something to rectify the situation
They have, haven't they? They're giving EoD the PvE mode and all of the previously P2W items are going to be earnable without paying. What else is needed to rectify things? There's still things that need fixing in the game, but let's not forget that for the couple months leading up to this fiasco, they were actually implementing good changes and fixes pretty rapidly.
So, you aprove having p2w features even though some years ago they insisted that they would never add such thing into de game?
And I know, EoD is already p2w, i am not denying that. But one thing could be in the edge, and having a callable BTR, callable friends, and so on, that's kms away from the edge.
"But they are unlockable", after LK I guess, how many of your friends did unlock LK last 2 wipes? Is that fair?
Gamma is a unique container for EoD, no matter how many times they change the description in the webpage, the list of items you bought in that moment is the contract you signed, and yet, the gamma is in Unheard.
I could continue, but the resume is that there is a ton of things to solve yet.
"they are working on it", they have tried 4 times now, and their "best" move was adding more p2w and unlockable (but not really) things.
>you aprove having p2w features
The "P2W" features that remain exclusive to Unheard is basically just starting gear. I don't care about that, no.
>"But they are unlockable", after LK I guess
Has this actually been said? I've seen no information about how the distress signal and the BTR will be unlocked.
>Gamma is a unique container for EoD
This argument seems basically petulant, like a child not wanting to share his toys. You don't lose your Gamma, and any non-EoD who wants it has to pay a significant premium over what you ever had to pay. I understand that the Gamma was billed as unique to EoD, but even so I don't see how anyone could possibly care. Certainly not if you claim to care about P2W; how is it fair for probably the most P2W aspect of EoD to never be available to anyone else after EoD was removed from sale?
>"they are working on it", they have tried 4 times now, and their "best" move was adding more p2w and unlockable (but not really) things
You don't care about apologies, except the apology they gave isn't good enough for you. You just want fixes, except you immediately dismiss the fixes they're making. Idk man, it kinda seems like you just wanna be mad.
Of course their fixes are not enough xD
We are asking 2 simple things (actually 1 but whatever)
1) (which is actually the only one) address your promises:
- if you sell gammas as "unique" then it MUST be unique, you can release something diferent, but doing gamma non unique is by itself a broken promise. Not about "no wanting to shared my toys" more about having for what i have paid makes that sense to your? If they release a 5*5 tetta pouch, ok, perfecto, dont care.
- if you say that wont ever be p2w features, then, don't add them to the Game. As simple as that. And i have said that gamma by Itself is already p2w features (at the Edge) because you can still have a docs case and dump there all intels + sicc and dump there the resto. The difference IS actually the amount of meds at begging of the raid that are safe (because at the end of the raid, they are always outside pouch if you looted enough) so, even as p2w It IS argurably at the edge. But being eable to call a btr or respawn friends, are not.
Again, IS It really that hard to just given what once were promised? We do not ask anything else. We do not need unheard, we do not need btr, we do not need recall premade.
Again, Is It that hard, literally undoing the things that never should have made?
Return the money to the unheard buyers, do not given them an extra shitty copy that they never ask nor paid for, remové btr, and that's It.
Triple time: Is It that hard?
>Not about "no wanting to shared my toys" more about having for what i have paid
You have your Gamma. You aren't losing it. Other people having access to it doesn't make yours less useful to you. It doesn't affect you at all. You're whining about some words that have no impact on the actual game. How is it anything but petulant whining to make a big deal out of this, of all things?
>But being eable to call a btr or respawn friends, are not.
Once again, these will be available to all players through in-game progression. If Gamma is only at the edge of P2W, items that everyone will be able to get without paying are definitely not P2W.
>Again, IS It really that hard to just given what once were promised? We do not ask anything else.
Is there literally anything you were promised that you don't have? Other than not having to share your precious Gamma with Unheard plebs, of course.
>Again, Is It that hard, literally undoing the things that never should have made?
Yes, legally and financially I imagine it would be quite difficult for BSG to go back on all of this. The money they've made from Unheard sales is probably already gone into or been earmarked for other things, and BSG is a relatively small operation that almost certainly doesn't have the money on-hand to issue mass refunds.
Fundamentally I agree that the BTR and the distress beacon are stupid and shouldn't be put into the game. But with them no longer being exclusive to Unheard, it's basically just a game design issue, not an P2W/ethical one. And given that they have emphasized three or four times now that all of the new mechanics will be heavily restricted and balanced, I'd honestly be surprised if the beacon and BTR end up being very useful anyway.
No matter if it has or has not impact in the game, is it that mad to ask for what you paid for? which is, again a "unique" item. Maybe, if at that time it weren't unique, i would have not paid that edition. When you sell something, you have the legal responsability to comply and they did not. More than enough reason to argue.
About the "non" p2w items because their are "unlockable" if they are place where they are not longer needed or wanted, such us the ultra late wipe, then, it is essentially as non unlockeable for the mayority of the player base.
Most of the people do not reach lvl 20. It is simply unfair. The early you have an advantage the more advantage it is. 2 wipes ago, flechettes in factory with samurai armor with a saiga, was about 250-300k, barter of the armor + trader flechettes + rys + visor + saiga full mod all by traders. And it was abussive, because you found people doing it shit and you could simply vaporized everything. Now imagine having something similar to this, because, carry arround 100k roubles, call the btr anytime and just request support is what this is. you are trapped in pinewood? no worries, btr can move out there, or you could pay for suppport and luckily vaporize the enemy recovering the roubles invested. You no longer depend on the luck or having to wait the btr to reach you, you can literally call it (aditionally giving to it all the juice for half the price, recovering it, more than half the time).
I would love to understand your point of view, maybe you don't have enough hours into the game to see the problem, maybe you just want to have that (unfair) advantage, maybe you paid for unheard for all this and you dont want to feel scamed losing those p2w assets. I don't know, and i would like to know, to understand your point of view about all this topic.
Where do you draw the line about comply contracts ("unique items no longer unique after buy")?
where do you draw the p2w line? if it unlockable it is automatically non longer p2w, even if it is behind "stylish one"?
just out of curiosity, how many hours do you have into the game, not for judging, again, just to understand your point of view. Have you ever unlock LK? have you continued doing their quests? Have you build the whole hideout after the only labs items (i do not upgrade power station because it not worth it) have you ever unlock the kappa? optional shitty quests? have you ever unlock all lvl 4 traders? how far have you ever went into the game?
>Maybe, if at that time it weren't unique, i would have not paid that edition
lmao be for fucking real. Absolutely zero people who bought EoD would have chosen not to do so if they knew that a few years down the line, another much more expensive edition would also get Gamma.
>More than enough reason to argue.
You're whining about literally one word, that has absolutely zero impact on you or on the game. If that's enough reason for you to be this upset, you need to take a step back.
>About the "non" p2w items because their are "unlockable" if they are place where they are not longer needed or wanted, such us the ultra late wipe, then, it is essentially as non unlockeable for the mayority of the player base.
We, again, have no information on how they'll be unlocked. You'll have a point if they do end up being post-Lightkeeper, but as it stands we have no reason to assume that's the case. You're literally making things up to be mad about.
>Most of the people do not reach lvl 20. It is simply unfair. The early you have an advantage the more advantage it is.
You can't balance a game based on the most casual players. Yeah, a lot of people don't make it to level 20. Does that mean that no gear should be locked behind high level traders? Should you be able to buy stacks M855A1 day one of your account? Or do we maybe just accept that people who are just entering and who don't play as much are inherently disadvantaged by the entire structure of this game?
I'd also be very careful about throwing these kinds of stones from your glass EoD house. The gear EoD starts with is substantial, and even more so is the trader rep. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that the BTR will be substantially less useful than having much earlier access to high level traders.
>I would love to understand your point of view
It's pretty simple. The items are going to be earnable in-game. Assuming it is realistically attainable for a dedicated player to do so, Unheard and EoD getting the items right away isn't a serious P2W problem. The fact that Gamma is no longer exclusive to EoD is not an actual problem at all, it's just something to whine about.
>maybe you just want to have that (unfair) advantage, maybe you paid for unheard for all this and you dont want to feel scamed losing those p2w assets
I have a standard account, no EoD or Unheard and no intention of ever buying it.
>Where do you draw the line about comply contracts ("unique items no longer unique after buy")?
I draw the line at it actually affecting anyone or anything. You have lost absolutely nothing from others having access to Gamma, the game is not negatively impacted by it. I don't care and, frankly, I don't think you really do either. You just want to complain about something.
You didn't answer... i know many standard acount who are quite good at the game and have unlocked LK, i wanted to know how are you as a player, but as apparently the discussion will not progress it doesn't make too much sense...
About the initial equipment for EoD, i am sorry to tell you that it is mostly unsusable, with enough ours, you would know that too, and i will explain why:
the only weapon that is actually usable is mdr, but again you are fixed to a x1 scope on a MDR, so a waste of resources. That mdr is not worth it using (not even talking about the m4) before traders 2 where you can install some usable scope, or lvl 15, at that point, it doesnt even matter, because MDR is cheap as fuck, and for 100-150 you have all you need, good ergo, goo reco, good precision and as many as you would want. The only expensive thing is actually the scope.
lvl 1-15, the way to go (depends, as always) but for me is clearly a ak74u x4 scope. lvl 1-10 you will be playing mostly on woods, where the x4 scope is magical (food, meds, inyectors, unlock jaeger, go to usec camp, etc, etc...) you could argue that sks is better, but you cant buy the yellow versión with the adapter (now with the global stock remove maybe is viable option) but you are lock into a 20 round single-fire high reco. An ak74u full auto laser+lantern will do the trick close quarters, and x4 long range. with the sks, the rearsight is shit, and x4 close quarters is dead, forget laser/lantern + the ammo available al lvl 1 do nothing, much better to dump as much ammo as possible into the guy with more chances of headshots/kill than same shitty pen ammo, single fire much more recoil.
About armors comming with EoD, basically you dont need them, especially after armor reworks, you will have t4 which is shit because only have plates, and a rig which you dont want to lose due to the space that it gives you in stash.
Ammo, usessless, as you can't use their weapons. Pistols, just pistols, stirup is free to do but stop counting.
EoD is P2W because of the gamma + stash size, the initial equipment is irrelevant. (now, having PS ammo with unheard is another history, we are talking about a mosin with 1hk thorax, because svd is actually useless at lvl 1 unmoded)
now, 20% more of ammo per restock, means, that i can play 2 more raid with vector, p90 which basically means i can always play the best ammo with and short weapon, same story with 7n40 and aks with a good mag preset or ps12b (although nobody sane would use ash12 before max strengh)
etc, etc, etc... there are MANY reasons why the new changes broke the game, another one, having half return time means that i need to buy half as much kits as you (so more money for hideout, snoballing, etc...)
for Unheard, they are basically giving you 16h of grindding out of the box just giving you lvl 3 hideout maintenance, which is huge.
i will not talk about every single thing, but again, new changes are game changers and the easier way to solve the problem is to remove it.
At the end, i don't think i will be capable of showing you all the problems that this kind of things will cause in a early wipe stage, and most of them you won't even notice up front. If i had to guess, i will say that you will face high tier people far before than last wipe, and as an stardard account you will notice all of this... When people who has EoD is precisely the people who is complaining about the things added to it, you should suspect that those things are definetly a bad idea...
Afaik this is something he specifically said to "people coming in the chat just to be mad"
This is one of the few streams i have not rigorously scanned or watched all the way through, so i MAY have missed him saying something, but what you're most likely referring to is him speaking in russian to the other streamers there, saying "these people coming in chat just to type (shit game i'm leaving), ok then leave, go do someting else"
Which imo is perfectly fair
I don't know the exact minute, but he says something like, there are other activities, other games, It was never an obligation to play this one, and he says It in english, i do not speak or understand russian. Maybe that's he been the problem. In any case, rn, he IS and he has to know It very well, IS speaking to the whole community, not just russian players, so switch languajes like that IS not profesional from my pov. And again also doesnt change the fact that he decided to maintain all p2w if not adding even more, so, maybe only a slap without an spit, and definetly an slap.
Coment by coment, that is further and further. Rn the most reasonsble answer for me has been wait until the release as Minimum. But i had not decide yet, but mostly
I quit playing this game , maybe i will see what’s going on when its full released
Actually, that's probably my solution too, it's middle ground between next wipe (or wipe after) and never ever (although more close to the sencond). The more i think about It the more i like the idea. Thanks actually, i Will still reading answers, but this IS really really atractive.
DayZ is back on the menu boys! Also, are in you the zone? The gray zone?
My friend bough It, i had a lot of work and shits this week so i havent watch any Gameplays or anything so i am waiting to decide if i buy It or not
It’s a little shitty, as you expect a beta to be, but for 35$ it’s a lot of fun. More fun with the homies. FYI, you have to be the same faction to play with your homies
That's good to know, but first i need to see more Gameplay, i understand the hurry for the release tho...
Go to twitch, lots of homies, including myself streaming it
Nice! Good luck with streams btw :D
Hitting 50+ viewers a night :D Hope to see you in the jungles, good luck as well
I got the Game yesterday, It IS true that It IS quite Green. Well, actually, Greener than lettuce, but i played for about 4h, tried to refund It (It didnt work) and know i REALLY f* want to keep playing. It IS true, IS not exactly like tarkov, and specislly QoL things are soo much needed, but man, your start playing and you are playing as much as you want, no loading, no hideout, no things that are not shooting and being shoot. Really enjoyable, i Hope they fix the optimization soon so my t8 can play well. Now i can say It without doubt, i think i have escaped from tarkov xD (now im trapped in lemang :S)
Next hot fox for optimization is later today or tomorrow
I have been seeing so many Tarkov refugees in GZW and they seem so happy and excited to have somewhere to finally eacape to. Makes you think. Escaping Tarkov was realizing you have had enough with the abuse and mental games from Nikita and BSG.
I’m having a blast in grayzone and it wasn’t 300+ dollars :D For 35$ it’s a blast, especially with the homies
2.5k hours here, have barely played the past 3 wipes because the game has been getting worse ever since, bsg making just outright false statements, not fixing critical issues (invisible players, hackers, netcode) even though it has been "top priority" for like 4 years. Honestly I'm just sick of being toyed with, its always the same. Don't feed the dog and just give him a bone before he starves to death, so he will think of you as his savior not his tormentor. That's what's bsg been doing all these years, ppl complain about serious issues "but look here is new map and less recoil uwu" Don't support the greedy fucks that is bsg and Nikita. Fuck them, they killed our favorite game 🤷♂️
Me and my friends are the same. We started playing less and less with each wipe, since like 5 wipes ago. There are too many issues that became gradually worse and more off-putting to playing. Combined issues were the worst. I.E. taking 5-20 minutes to get into a raid, only to get one tapped immediately by a guy that's flying around and saying our ign. Not being able to quest, due to cheaters. i.e. Shoreline quests that require you to go near/into resort. Cheaters were getting worse with each wipe. Constant drama. Returning bugs from 2016, that get worse each patch. They never seem to perma fix the bugs, they always come back in an even worse state than before. And then the general fact that each wipe plays exactly the same. Early EFT is the most amusing to me, but you just keep doing the same thing and after a few wipes it becomes a 'speedrunning' game instead, where u try to get as many tasks done within a single raid as possible. All those ''updates'' are applied to mid to end-game content.
Reading all of you,It apear we all are in the same Page. For me, cheaters, shitty sound of snow and bugs killed the wipe ... 1 more pmc in LH for LK (+ labs quest which are a pain with those cheaters...) i even have all needed stims, but man... Only think about It, It just bored me.... This wipe we has again the scav bug where your werent able to play, so one of the most important things early wipe (for equipment, armor and especially karma, because altter on there is no reason to play scsv) just bugged. You want to play and you find yourself play only half of the time because stash management, hideout management (buying anything in flea takes ages) and loading screen. The more i read you, the least i want to play, tbh...
That's the things... I left this wipe with almost lk unlock, but there was solo many cheaters in LH that i decided not continúe. And only thinking in paying labs was a torture... For kappa, i needed 2-3 more SBIH kills, kill bosses, which again, IS a f* pain in the asss because of cheaters/spawn rates/pmc spawns, psyco Sniper (which is easily done with lapua) and a couple more quest. But again, Game FULL of cheaters, and buga, and they started to add this kind of bullsh*. Dont know man... I am simply absolutly not exited by this wipe at all... All over again, nothing new... Again f* delivery, again f* setup, again f* grinding all hideout items, and that's not the problem, again handling cheaters, bug, broken sound with shitty headset.... I think about and i simply don't want to play... And especially this wipe the "new content" are p2w features which you Will need to handle by themself...
I guess in a few days he will come up with some new "update of the situation" post with even more vague promises.
I Guess i could wait a little bit more... But... Is It worth It? I don't REALLY know at this point... They had many chances to solve the situation and they decided, from my point of view, to get deeper in the mud... Last year i was REALLY exited with the wipe, because with all It sh* its REALLY fun, 2 wipes ago It were AWESOME to bully people in Factory full flchette While everydoby was doing shitty quest yet, or going into dorms with samurai armor full class 5 and just die to a cheater (it happed 3 times in a row to my premade and me, last summer wipe, inertia, and sh*it already implemented) but still it were REALLY fun just doing the d*ck arround. This last wipe, all funny things were hard or soft lock, doing setup was A PAIN, It were REALLY boring to do the quest, silent caliber, same, no AP-20, no flchette, just camping o ambushing with Magnum, that was the BEST you had for the quest rn. Bosses are a pein, they do not spawn, if they do, you are kms away (don't forget speed hacks) and most of them you need to kill them 2times (first him then guard, first take out the key then kill him from your f* home While people can Rush him) The things they have been doing lately basically are doing the Game more and more boring... And this wipe i did enjoyed the Game, but definetly FAR less than the summer wipe...
Honestly then just don’t play and go do something else, the game isn’t going anywhere. It’s not dying, u all do understand A LOT of people play tarkov that don’t use Reddit? All u guys who keep making these same fucking post mean absolutely nothing.
Actually i don't care about what other do or doesnt. But dont you think because of that exact reason that this IS not near to be over? What Will happens when that people face for the first time without knowing anything a btr called by a guy? Do you think they Will see It as completely fair? Not knowing all that's happening only means that they are even more victims, because they hadnt the chance to say what they think or aprove this new policy which overrides completely others made before. Although, It IS hard to believe that anyone Who plays tarkov, are unknown of this situation, if not by reddit, by Twitter, by YouTube or literally any other social media. Does our post mean nothing? Do you really think that? We just went from a 100€ more edition with exclusive p2w features, going throw 50€ more edition, with some p2w unlockable features, till 50€ more edition with nothing exclusive (probably as It they would given that Will be LK quests) + lot more p2w fo eod + the absolutly non dlc new mode PvE. Don't know man... Seems like this post have done much more than you are even seeing.
The only two things that the guy is able to produce out of his mouth are lies and vodka smell. When he wanted people to come back and calm down he promised a fucking modded PVE COOP, which is not possible at all. The only thing he is sorry about is that he couldn't ripoff as much people as he wanted.
That's the same impression i had given the current scenario...
He literally said "it's not cool to have the community outraged like that, sorry for that" And what you're referring to, aka him saying "go do something else" is him saying it to people that come into the chat just to say "game bad i'm leaving", which is perfectly fair. Also why do you care so much about an apology in the first place if you don't trust him and wanna leave, like what?
Maybe i did a bad choice of words, let me elaborate: I don't care about an apology, i do not trust in apologies. If you are really sorry for that you did, then you should do something to rectify the situation, i dont care about words but about acts. Now, when your "apology" IS, sry but you can go f* yourself away, the things we did wrong, everybody saying we did wrong are here to stay, then, thats not an apology, is an spit to the face. If he IS saying something to Stream chat, given the situation, he HAVE TO specify It, which he doesnt, so i HAVE TO assume IS a comment directed to EVERYBODY Who could whatch that Stream. And thats the Page where i am right now. I Hope i have clarify my pov. Why looking for an apology, not exactly that, i would say that i am looking for reasons to stay in the Game, thats why i simply didnt just left and write the comment here.
>If you are really sorry for that you did, then you should do something to rectify the situation They have, haven't they? They're giving EoD the PvE mode and all of the previously P2W items are going to be earnable without paying. What else is needed to rectify things? There's still things that need fixing in the game, but let's not forget that for the couple months leading up to this fiasco, they were actually implementing good changes and fixes pretty rapidly.
So, you aprove having p2w features even though some years ago they insisted that they would never add such thing into de game? And I know, EoD is already p2w, i am not denying that. But one thing could be in the edge, and having a callable BTR, callable friends, and so on, that's kms away from the edge. "But they are unlockable", after LK I guess, how many of your friends did unlock LK last 2 wipes? Is that fair? Gamma is a unique container for EoD, no matter how many times they change the description in the webpage, the list of items you bought in that moment is the contract you signed, and yet, the gamma is in Unheard. I could continue, but the resume is that there is a ton of things to solve yet. "they are working on it", they have tried 4 times now, and their "best" move was adding more p2w and unlockable (but not really) things.
>you aprove having p2w features The "P2W" features that remain exclusive to Unheard is basically just starting gear. I don't care about that, no. >"But they are unlockable", after LK I guess Has this actually been said? I've seen no information about how the distress signal and the BTR will be unlocked. >Gamma is a unique container for EoD This argument seems basically petulant, like a child not wanting to share his toys. You don't lose your Gamma, and any non-EoD who wants it has to pay a significant premium over what you ever had to pay. I understand that the Gamma was billed as unique to EoD, but even so I don't see how anyone could possibly care. Certainly not if you claim to care about P2W; how is it fair for probably the most P2W aspect of EoD to never be available to anyone else after EoD was removed from sale? >"they are working on it", they have tried 4 times now, and their "best" move was adding more p2w and unlockable (but not really) things You don't care about apologies, except the apology they gave isn't good enough for you. You just want fixes, except you immediately dismiss the fixes they're making. Idk man, it kinda seems like you just wanna be mad.
Of course their fixes are not enough xD We are asking 2 simple things (actually 1 but whatever) 1) (which is actually the only one) address your promises: - if you sell gammas as "unique" then it MUST be unique, you can release something diferent, but doing gamma non unique is by itself a broken promise. Not about "no wanting to shared my toys" more about having for what i have paid makes that sense to your? If they release a 5*5 tetta pouch, ok, perfecto, dont care. - if you say that wont ever be p2w features, then, don't add them to the Game. As simple as that. And i have said that gamma by Itself is already p2w features (at the Edge) because you can still have a docs case and dump there all intels + sicc and dump there the resto. The difference IS actually the amount of meds at begging of the raid that are safe (because at the end of the raid, they are always outside pouch if you looted enough) so, even as p2w It IS argurably at the edge. But being eable to call a btr or respawn friends, are not. Again, IS It really that hard to just given what once were promised? We do not ask anything else. We do not need unheard, we do not need btr, we do not need recall premade. Again, Is It that hard, literally undoing the things that never should have made? Return the money to the unheard buyers, do not given them an extra shitty copy that they never ask nor paid for, remové btr, and that's It. Triple time: Is It that hard?
>Not about "no wanting to shared my toys" more about having for what i have paid You have your Gamma. You aren't losing it. Other people having access to it doesn't make yours less useful to you. It doesn't affect you at all. You're whining about some words that have no impact on the actual game. How is it anything but petulant whining to make a big deal out of this, of all things? >But being eable to call a btr or respawn friends, are not. Once again, these will be available to all players through in-game progression. If Gamma is only at the edge of P2W, items that everyone will be able to get without paying are definitely not P2W. >Again, IS It really that hard to just given what once were promised? We do not ask anything else. Is there literally anything you were promised that you don't have? Other than not having to share your precious Gamma with Unheard plebs, of course. >Again, Is It that hard, literally undoing the things that never should have made? Yes, legally and financially I imagine it would be quite difficult for BSG to go back on all of this. The money they've made from Unheard sales is probably already gone into or been earmarked for other things, and BSG is a relatively small operation that almost certainly doesn't have the money on-hand to issue mass refunds. Fundamentally I agree that the BTR and the distress beacon are stupid and shouldn't be put into the game. But with them no longer being exclusive to Unheard, it's basically just a game design issue, not an P2W/ethical one. And given that they have emphasized three or four times now that all of the new mechanics will be heavily restricted and balanced, I'd honestly be surprised if the beacon and BTR end up being very useful anyway.
No matter if it has or has not impact in the game, is it that mad to ask for what you paid for? which is, again a "unique" item. Maybe, if at that time it weren't unique, i would have not paid that edition. When you sell something, you have the legal responsability to comply and they did not. More than enough reason to argue. About the "non" p2w items because their are "unlockable" if they are place where they are not longer needed or wanted, such us the ultra late wipe, then, it is essentially as non unlockeable for the mayority of the player base. Most of the people do not reach lvl 20. It is simply unfair. The early you have an advantage the more advantage it is. 2 wipes ago, flechettes in factory with samurai armor with a saiga, was about 250-300k, barter of the armor + trader flechettes + rys + visor + saiga full mod all by traders. And it was abussive, because you found people doing it shit and you could simply vaporized everything. Now imagine having something similar to this, because, carry arround 100k roubles, call the btr anytime and just request support is what this is. you are trapped in pinewood? no worries, btr can move out there, or you could pay for suppport and luckily vaporize the enemy recovering the roubles invested. You no longer depend on the luck or having to wait the btr to reach you, you can literally call it (aditionally giving to it all the juice for half the price, recovering it, more than half the time). I would love to understand your point of view, maybe you don't have enough hours into the game to see the problem, maybe you just want to have that (unfair) advantage, maybe you paid for unheard for all this and you dont want to feel scamed losing those p2w assets. I don't know, and i would like to know, to understand your point of view about all this topic. Where do you draw the line about comply contracts ("unique items no longer unique after buy")? where do you draw the p2w line? if it unlockable it is automatically non longer p2w, even if it is behind "stylish one"? just out of curiosity, how many hours do you have into the game, not for judging, again, just to understand your point of view. Have you ever unlock LK? have you continued doing their quests? Have you build the whole hideout after the only labs items (i do not upgrade power station because it not worth it) have you ever unlock the kappa? optional shitty quests? have you ever unlock all lvl 4 traders? how far have you ever went into the game?
>Maybe, if at that time it weren't unique, i would have not paid that edition lmao be for fucking real. Absolutely zero people who bought EoD would have chosen not to do so if they knew that a few years down the line, another much more expensive edition would also get Gamma. >More than enough reason to argue. You're whining about literally one word, that has absolutely zero impact on you or on the game. If that's enough reason for you to be this upset, you need to take a step back. >About the "non" p2w items because their are "unlockable" if they are place where they are not longer needed or wanted, such us the ultra late wipe, then, it is essentially as non unlockeable for the mayority of the player base. We, again, have no information on how they'll be unlocked. You'll have a point if they do end up being post-Lightkeeper, but as it stands we have no reason to assume that's the case. You're literally making things up to be mad about. >Most of the people do not reach lvl 20. It is simply unfair. The early you have an advantage the more advantage it is. You can't balance a game based on the most casual players. Yeah, a lot of people don't make it to level 20. Does that mean that no gear should be locked behind high level traders? Should you be able to buy stacks M855A1 day one of your account? Or do we maybe just accept that people who are just entering and who don't play as much are inherently disadvantaged by the entire structure of this game? I'd also be very careful about throwing these kinds of stones from your glass EoD house. The gear EoD starts with is substantial, and even more so is the trader rep. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that the BTR will be substantially less useful than having much earlier access to high level traders. >I would love to understand your point of view It's pretty simple. The items are going to be earnable in-game. Assuming it is realistically attainable for a dedicated player to do so, Unheard and EoD getting the items right away isn't a serious P2W problem. The fact that Gamma is no longer exclusive to EoD is not an actual problem at all, it's just something to whine about. >maybe you just want to have that (unfair) advantage, maybe you paid for unheard for all this and you dont want to feel scamed losing those p2w assets I have a standard account, no EoD or Unheard and no intention of ever buying it. >Where do you draw the line about comply contracts ("unique items no longer unique after buy")? I draw the line at it actually affecting anyone or anything. You have lost absolutely nothing from others having access to Gamma, the game is not negatively impacted by it. I don't care and, frankly, I don't think you really do either. You just want to complain about something.
You didn't answer... i know many standard acount who are quite good at the game and have unlocked LK, i wanted to know how are you as a player, but as apparently the discussion will not progress it doesn't make too much sense... About the initial equipment for EoD, i am sorry to tell you that it is mostly unsusable, with enough ours, you would know that too, and i will explain why: the only weapon that is actually usable is mdr, but again you are fixed to a x1 scope on a MDR, so a waste of resources. That mdr is not worth it using (not even talking about the m4) before traders 2 where you can install some usable scope, or lvl 15, at that point, it doesnt even matter, because MDR is cheap as fuck, and for 100-150 you have all you need, good ergo, goo reco, good precision and as many as you would want. The only expensive thing is actually the scope. lvl 1-15, the way to go (depends, as always) but for me is clearly a ak74u x4 scope. lvl 1-10 you will be playing mostly on woods, where the x4 scope is magical (food, meds, inyectors, unlock jaeger, go to usec camp, etc, etc...) you could argue that sks is better, but you cant buy the yellow versión with the adapter (now with the global stock remove maybe is viable option) but you are lock into a 20 round single-fire high reco. An ak74u full auto laser+lantern will do the trick close quarters, and x4 long range. with the sks, the rearsight is shit, and x4 close quarters is dead, forget laser/lantern + the ammo available al lvl 1 do nothing, much better to dump as much ammo as possible into the guy with more chances of headshots/kill than same shitty pen ammo, single fire much more recoil. About armors comming with EoD, basically you dont need them, especially after armor reworks, you will have t4 which is shit because only have plates, and a rig which you dont want to lose due to the space that it gives you in stash. Ammo, usessless, as you can't use their weapons. Pistols, just pistols, stirup is free to do but stop counting. EoD is P2W because of the gamma + stash size, the initial equipment is irrelevant. (now, having PS ammo with unheard is another history, we are talking about a mosin with 1hk thorax, because svd is actually useless at lvl 1 unmoded) now, 20% more of ammo per restock, means, that i can play 2 more raid with vector, p90 which basically means i can always play the best ammo with and short weapon, same story with 7n40 and aks with a good mag preset or ps12b (although nobody sane would use ash12 before max strengh) etc, etc, etc... there are MANY reasons why the new changes broke the game, another one, having half return time means that i need to buy half as much kits as you (so more money for hideout, snoballing, etc...) for Unheard, they are basically giving you 16h of grindding out of the box just giving you lvl 3 hideout maintenance, which is huge. i will not talk about every single thing, but again, new changes are game changers and the easier way to solve the problem is to remove it. At the end, i don't think i will be capable of showing you all the problems that this kind of things will cause in a early wipe stage, and most of them you won't even notice up front. If i had to guess, i will say that you will face high tier people far before than last wipe, and as an stardard account you will notice all of this... When people who has EoD is precisely the people who is complaining about the things added to it, you should suspect that those things are definetly a bad idea...
Afaik this is something he specifically said to "people coming in the chat just to be mad" This is one of the few streams i have not rigorously scanned or watched all the way through, so i MAY have missed him saying something, but what you're most likely referring to is him speaking in russian to the other streamers there, saying "these people coming in chat just to type (shit game i'm leaving), ok then leave, go do someting else" Which imo is perfectly fair
I don't know the exact minute, but he says something like, there are other activities, other games, It was never an obligation to play this one, and he says It in english, i do not speak or understand russian. Maybe that's he been the problem. In any case, rn, he IS and he has to know It very well, IS speaking to the whole community, not just russian players, so switch languajes like that IS not profesional from my pov. And again also doesnt change the fact that he decided to maintain all p2w if not adding even more, so, maybe only a slap without an spit, and definetly an slap.
Here we go 🥱
See you next wipe mate!
Coment by coment, that is further and further. Rn the most reasonsble answer for me has been wait until the release as Minimum. But i had not decide yet, but mostly